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Mayock on Julio Jones in Camp (1 Viewer)

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No. 6 overall pick Julio Jones "may already be the most impressive player" at Falcons training camp.

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"more explosive off the ball than they thought."

ruh roh, may need to tweak some things. :unsure:

 
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Athletically, Jones is a monster so this isn't all that surprising. Jones has never been able to maximize that athletic potential and translate it onto the field though. He should still be a very good WR. Let's see if he is able to fine tune his game to become a great WR.

 
He played in a run first offense in college with a QB who only went in round 7. This guys potential at WR has never been fully tested. he did however play in a pro style offense so his transition to the NFL shouldn't be as hard for a rookie as one might imagine. Despite that, I think he is going to be drafted too early in many redraft leagues based on what I am seeing in mocks. If he starts off slowly, he may be a great buy low.

 
Peter King tweeted this about Jones when he visited Falcons camp: Julio Jones looks like 5yr vet

Michael Jenkins was let go to make room for Jones in the starting lineup. The Falcons intend to put him on the field from the get-go in regular season.

The buzz out of Falcons camp is that Jones and Jacquizz Rodgers are both assimilating the offense well - they look like they'll make an impact out of the gate.

Falcons' offense may turn up their performance a notch this year - I think Matt Ryan has legit shot at 4,000+ passing yards if Jones and Rodgers pan out come September...

 
'Mark Wimer said:
Peter King tweeted this about Jones when he visited Falcons camp: Julio Jones looks like 5yr vetMichael Jenkins was let go to make room for Jones in the starting lineup. The Falcons intend to put him on the field from the get-go in regular season.The buzz out of Falcons camp is that Jones and Jacquizz Rodgers are both assimilating the offense well - they look like they'll make an impact out of the gate.Falcons' offense may turn up their performance a notch this year - I think Matt Ryan has legit shot at 4,000+ passing yards if Jones and Rodgers pan out come September...
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The annual training camp reports compiled by Bob Henry and edited by Jason Wood will be out (first edition next week) - I write the Falcons digest for that, so check it out when we debut those. They are the most informative training camp reports you can find for players in the fantasy space, IMO.
 
'jurb26 said:
Athletically, Jones is a monster so this isn't all that surprising. Jones has never been able to maximize that athletic potential and translate it onto the field though. He should still be a very good WR. Let's see if he is able to fine tune his game to become a great WR.
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Ridiculous
 
'Clifford said:
Just shows a scant and myopic view of his situation in college.
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I've watched a ton of both Jones and Green in college. Jones doesn't play up to his measurables. That's not meant to be a knock, he has simply ridiculous measurables and he is still a fantastic player regardless. Why is it that everyone thinks that Green is the more explosive player when Jones far surpasses him in just every explosive measure? Better 40, better vertical and better broad jump. Jones is a more explosive natural athlete, Green maximizes his physical abilities better on the field though.
 
'jurb26 said:
'Clifford said:
Just shows a scant and myopic view of his situation in college.
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I've watched a ton of both Jones and Green in college. Jones doesn't play up to his measurables. That's not meant to be a knock, he has simply ridiculous measurables and he is still a fantastic player regardless. Why is it that everyone thinks that Green is the more explosive player when Jones far surpasses him in just every explosive measure? Better 40, better vertical and better broad jump. Jones is a more explosive natural athlete, Green maximizes his physical abilities better on the field though.
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Agreed. Jones was inconsistent and dropped lots of balls last two years.
 
Everyone put on their DC hats for the NFL. You are going to face Atlanta and before you even start to defend the pass you must commit 7 in the box to stop Turner and now a young feisty Rodgers who will be an excellent COP back and might very well bust off some long runs aka Timmy Hightower without the fumbles. Norwood never panned out or was injured so I see Rodgers jumping into a role we haven't really seen on this team and adding more dynamics to it. Turner will still get 20 carries a game but Rodgers will make the most out of his touches.

Now you have to double Roddy White or he will kill you, still need to play Gonzo from working over the top and now you have to deal with a guy that can EXPLODE off the ball and also has jets but you can only cover him with 1 guy and it likely isn't your best DB...good luck.

 
Tony Gonzalez just tweeted...

This kid Julio Jones is the real deal. He's the best incoming receiver I've ever played with. Come to think of it, it's not even close.

Hype is really starting to build...that said, not sure if he has had any blue chip WR prospects come in on any team he has played for.

 
Tony Gonzalez just tweeted that Julio is the best rookie WR he's ever seen and that it isn't close and it isn't close.

I'm trying to remember if he has played with any really good rookie WRs in the past..

 
'TheDirtyWord said:
Tony Gonzalez just tweeted...

This kid Julio Jones is the real deal. He's the best incoming receiver I've ever played with. Come to think of it, it's not even close.

Hype is really starting to build...that said, not sure if he has had any blue chip WR prospects come in on any team he has played for.
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So he's better than Scoop Minnis? ;)
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Everyone put on their DC hats for the NFL. You are going to face Atlanta and before you even start to defend the pass you must commit 7 in the box to stop Turner and now a young feisty Rodgers who will be an excellent COP back and might very well bust off some long runs aka Timmy Hightower without the fumbles. Norwood never panned out or was injured so I see Rodgers jumping into a role we haven't really seen on this team and adding more dynamics to it. Turner will still get 20 carries a game but Rodgers will make the most out of his touches. Now you have to double Roddy White or he will kill you, still need to play Gonzo from working over the top and now you have to deal with a guy that can EXPLODE off the ball and also has jets but you can only cover him with 1 guy and it likely isn't your best DB...good luck.
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:goodposting: perfect analysis...I really like this kid to have the best fantasy stats of all rookie WR for the next 2-3 years...
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
'Ilov80s said:
Tony Gonzalez just tweeted that Julio is the best rookie WR he's ever seen and that it isn't close and it isn't close. I'm trying to remember if he has played with any really good rookie WRs in the past..
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Dwayne Bowe?
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Yeah, I guess that would be the best example. I forgot how productive Bowe's rookie season was.
 
'jurb26 said:
'Clifford said:
Just shows a scant and myopic view of his situation in college.
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I've watched a ton of both Jones and Green in college. Jones doesn't play up to his measurables. That's not meant to be a knock, he has simply ridiculous measurables and he is still a fantastic player regardless. Why is it that everyone thinks that Green is the more explosive player when Jones far surpasses him in just every explosive measure? Better 40, better vertical and better broad jump. Jones is a more explosive natural athlete, Green maximizes his physical abilities better on the field though.
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He dropped a few balls in his sophomore year, but he was practically unstoppable in the 2nd half of 2012. You have to understand that there was a profound difference in Georgia's gameplan and Alabama's. Bama had a great defense and many times Julio would ride the bench the entire 2nd half. Georgia had a pathetic defense and AJ was out there catching touchdowns in garbage time quite often.Julio demanded double coverage, and was practically unguardable by his junior season.
 
'shader said:
'jurb26 said:
'Clifford said:
Just shows a scant and myopic view of his situation in college.
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I've watched a ton of both Jones and Green in college. Jones doesn't play up to his measurables. That's not meant to be a knock, he has simply ridiculous measurables and he is still a fantastic player regardless. Why is it that everyone thinks that Green is the more explosive player when Jones far surpasses him in just every explosive measure? Better 40, better vertical and better broad jump. Jones is a more explosive natural athlete, Green maximizes his physical abilities better on the field though.
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He dropped a few balls in his sophomore year, but he was practically unstoppable in the 2nd half of 2012. You have to understand that there was a profound difference in Georgia's gameplan and Alabama's. Bama had a great defense and many times Julio would ride the bench the entire 2nd half. Georgia had a pathetic defense and AJ was out there catching touchdowns in garbage time quite often.Julio demanded double coverage, and was practically unguardable by his junior season.
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I understand there teams used them in different ways. As a matter of fact I think I was one of the few who defended Jones' lackluster sophomore year as it seemed many were trying to say he wasn't living up to expectations. He was simply playing injured that year and it showed. I agree he was a force last year. It's amazing how a clean bill of health can change a players production. I don't think either guy was negatively effected by their offense. Both teams seemed to know who their go-to WR was and featured them extremely well IMO. Both come from pro-style attacks that forced them to learn a full route tree. Green was a pretty awful route runner his freshman year and pretty much got by on his pure talent, same with Jones. From my perspective, Green has made further strides in that department over the course of his college career though. Green runs very fluid and precise routes now compared to then. It's kind of funny to me that so many people seem to think that Jones came out of nowhere to be a top 10 draft pick. This guy was born to be a top 10 draft pick and outside of his sophomore year, the majority of which he played injured, he looked that part at Alabama. That said, I'd take Green over him.
 
'shader said:
'jurb26 said:
'shader said:
'jurb26 said:
Athletically, Jones is a monster so this isn't all that surprising. Jones has never been able to maximize that athletic potential and translate it onto the field though. He should still be a very good WR. Let's see if he is able to fine tune his game to become a great WR.
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Ridiculous
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How so?
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He translated it on the field plenty of times.
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You're either missing the point or simply ignoring it on purpose. I'm not sure.
 
Let's be honest here and it's time to drive a mack truck thru this Jones/Green debate. Julio Jones is entering a situation similar to what Randy Moss entered in Minnesota. I'm not saying Jones is Moss but I am saying that Atlanta is already talented before he gets there. he doesn't need to be the straw that stirs the drink, in fact he very well might be the drink. the Vikings had Carter, CPepp, and Robert Smith already locked in and ready to roll. The Vikes finished 15-1 that season and went to the NFC Champ where they were narrowly defeated by Atlanta of all teams.

Jones is landing in a far superior situation and those that bought the Green Kool-Aid, my condolences. Is jones the better WR? Hardly matters. Was Foster the best RB in terms of skills last year in the NFL? Expletive NO! He landed on a great team with a rock solid offense already and stars around him, any RB that can't make it on that type of offense shouldn't be in the league.

I am a firm believer in situation over raw talent. Sure sometimes the talent overrides but i don't think either of these guys is Calvin Johnson either. Jones will exploit defenses and abuse 2nd class DBs.

I don't think 1,000/8 is too much to project. I'm not saying he will hit that but his ceiling is pretty high if he does what some think he will. He is starting too, they sent Jenkins on his way, everything is being cleared out for him plus they sunk a ton of draft picks in him so he will see the ball and have plays designed to get him in space but I think he will be able to do that on his own.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Let's be honest here and it's time to drive a mack truck thru this Jones/Green debate. Julio Jones is entering a situation similar to what Randy Moss entered in Minnesota. I'm not saying Jones is Moss but I am saying that Atlanta is already talented before he gets there. he doesn't need to be the straw that stirs the drink, in fact he very well might be the drink. the Vikings had Carter, CPepp, and Robert Smith already locked in and ready to roll. The Vikes finished 15-1 that season and went to the NFC Champ where they were narrowly defeated by Atlanta of all teams.
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Cunningham, not CPepp....
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Jones is landing in a far superior situation and those that bought the Green Kool-Aid, my condolences. Is jones the better WR? Hardly matters. Was Foster the best RB in terms of skills last year in the NFL? Expletive NO! He landed on a great team with a rock solid offense already and stars around him, any RB that can't make it on that type of offense shouldn't be in the league. I am a firm believer in situation over raw talent. Sure sometimes the talent overrides but i don't think either of these guys is Calvin Johnson either. Jones will exploit defenses and abuse 2nd class DBs.
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Do you tweak this mindset when discussing redraft versus dynasty? Situation does make a world of difference but situations change whereas talent is what it is. Which is probably why just about every dynasty ranking you see will have Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson ranked above Foster even though Foster had the better fantasy season. It's hard to fault anyone for taking either one of these receivers before the other. I think for me Jones is the better redraft pick because of his situation and Green seems to be the refined talent in a dubious situation that could hurt his production in year one. In Dynasty, however, it's probably much closer. Your choice probably boils down to if you think The Bengal's situation will get better or if Jones will refine his raw talent and surpass Green's maturation as a receiver.
 
'shader said:
'jurb26 said:
'Clifford said:
Just shows a scant and myopic view of his situation in college.
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I've watched a ton of both Jones and Green in college. Jones doesn't play up to his measurables. That's not meant to be a knock, he has simply ridiculous measurables and he is still a fantastic player regardless. Why is it that everyone thinks that Green is the more explosive player when Jones far surpasses him in just every explosive measure? Better 40, better vertical and better broad jump. Jones is a more explosive natural athlete, Green maximizes his physical abilities better on the field though.
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He dropped a few balls in his sophomore year, but he was practically unstoppable in the 2nd half of 2012.
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How do you know this???
 
'AmosMoses said:
'shader said:
'jurb26 said:
'Clifford said:
Just shows a scant and myopic view of his situation in college.
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I've watched a ton of both Jones and Green in college. Jones doesn't play up to his measurables. That's not meant to be a knock, he has simply ridiculous measurables and he is still a fantastic player regardless. Why is it that everyone thinks that Green is the more explosive player when Jones far surpasses him in just every explosive measure? Better 40, better vertical and better broad jump. Jones is a more explosive natural athlete, Green maximizes his physical abilities better on the field though.
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He dropped a few balls in his sophomore year, but he was practically unstoppable in the 2nd half of 2012.
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How do you know this???
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cuz cocaine is a helluva drug?
 
'Hipple said:
'PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
AJCFalcons D. Orlando Ledbetter#Falcons WR coach Terry Robiskie on Julio Jones: "Julio, still has a ways to go."
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meh. Leadbetter is a hack who just likes getting his name out there. Not very objective. I'd look to others first.
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Yeah, I'd like to see the full quote there. I am sure it was something to the effect of, "Julio still has a ways to go in the learning the offense, but the kid looks great so far."
 
He seems like a good guy. I'm a fan. :thumbup:

Jones has come in as a rarity: A receiver who doesn't talk much. There is no diva about him. "He's got a great demeanor," Ryan said. "As a rookie, it's kind of nice to be seen and not heard. He's that guy." Jones plays a loud game, but he is certainly quiet off the field. Getting him to say much about himself is tough to do. Think Andre Johnson early in his career. "I'm just laid-back," Jones said. "I do whatever they want me to do. If they want me to go in and block, I'll block. It's not like I need a ball every game. I just do what they tell me to do." They didn't give up four picks to see you block, Julio. Jones came to Atlanta during the lockout to spend time with Ryan even though Jones didn't have a contract and was putting himself at risk of injury. The two developed a rapport you can see on the field. They also get together now before practice and throw some routes. "He was going to be my quarterback, the guy throwing me the ball, and I just wanted to get the timing down," Jones said. "The time me and him had together to get on our timing was going to be short. The sooner I got together with him, the better."
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http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15450567/two-big-additions-make-falcons-whole-as-nfc-contender
 
I never understood why AJ Green was considered a much better prospect than Julio. Look at their college stats:

A) 166 - 2,619 - 23

B) 179 - 2,653 - 15

awfully similar, except for TDs which are fickle bastards

 
I was able to end up with the 1.01 and 1.03 this year in the rookie draft, ending up with Ingram and Julio. This thread has me all pumped up, now I need to go find the bandwagon for Ingram!

Can't wait to see what Julio does in regular season, Falcons could steal that division this year! :football:

 
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