MB III Not on the market (1 Viewer)

[Matt's Eagles]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.

The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et

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What team would you see him getting dealt to?

 

[cobalt_27]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et-------------------------What team would you see him getting dealt to?

Given the preceding info you presented, wouldn't the logical conclusion be --- nobody?

 

[Matt's Eagles]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et-------------------------What team would you see him getting dealt to?

Given the preceding info you presented, wouldn't the logical conclusion be --- nobody?

Just asking anyone to speculate who needs him and where he could go.

 

[Texasmouth]

I heard about this too and it was smacked down in the Cowboys thread.

Fragile Felix cant fart without hurting himself, no way they can get rid of Barber.

 

[JohnnyU]

I heard about this too and it was smacked down in the Cowboys thread.Fragile Felix cant fart without hurting himself, no way they can get rid of Barber.

Don't they have another RB named Choice

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Can we get a list of players that have had an off year and might be getting a roster bonus in the next couple months, because that seems to be the flavor of the week everytime or RBs that might be on the trade block or might be shown a pink slip on the horizon.

As much as we like to look at a $4 million roster bonus as a lot of money...the garage sale bargain basement Wal-Mart roll back the prices FF GMs in here need to just stop already.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Anything is possible but I think Jerry Jones is not going to let Barber go. They have the SB in Jerryworld and as good as Felix looked at the end of last season, you can't help but worry he can't carry the entire load.

The 3 man rotation worked pretty well for the Cowboys last year and I don't see them trying to go the entire year with just Felix and Choice. Barber is still an excellent blocker and he'll give you 10 hard nosed runs a game and an excellent goaline option.

Just don't see them getting rid of him with everything on the line this year.

 

[No Way Jose]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et-------------------------What team would you see him getting dealt to?

Just spitballing here.....but what about Miami? I remember there was talk of this last year.

 

[Ridgelake]

You have to ask yourself what someone would realisticly trade for him? A vet with some milage and a significant contract? Could you get a 4th?

Dallas probably gets more value by keeping him than getting back a 4th in return.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Seattle would make a lot of sense. They want to win now. They have too many needs to spend a 1st or 2nd on a RB. Would be a good compliment to Forsett. He could be a beast still and carry an offense if he could stay healthy.

I would interpret any announcement that "player X is not being shopped" to be damage control after it leaks that player X is being shopped.

 

[Andy Herron]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.

The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et

The report from NFL Network was that "other executives around the league believe that Barber would be available for trade."A far cry from being shopped.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.

The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et

The report from NFL Network was that "other executives around the league believe that Barber would be available for trade."A far cry from being shopped.

I don't think the Money and Contract is a problem with Jerry; but I could see him trading MB away to ensure that Felix gets a ton of PT.A "healthy" Barber is going to out play Jones... especial Mid-season when Jones is beat up and Barber is just getting warmed up.

 

[fissure man]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.

The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et

The report from NFL Network was that "other executives around the league believe that Barber would be available for trade."A far cry from being shopped.

I don't think the Money and Contract is a problem with Jerry; but I could see him trading MB away to ensure that Felix gets a ton of PT.A "healthy" Barber is going to out play Jones... especial Mid-season when Jones is beat up and Barber is just getting warmed up.

No way. Barber is slow, and gets tackled far to easy. He was a monster several years ago for a small amount of carries. He hasn't been jack since he has gotten the starting role.

 

[JPeso]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.

The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et

The report from NFL Network was that "other executives around the league believe that Barber would be available for trade."A far cry from being shopped.

I don't think the Money and Contract is a problem with Jerry; but I could see him trading MB away to ensure that Felix gets a ton of PT.A "healthy" Barber is going to out play Jones... especial Mid-season when Jones is beat up and Barber is just getting warmed up.

No way. Barber is slow, and gets tackled far to easy. He was a monster several years ago for a small amount of carries. He hasn't been jack since he has gotten the starting role.

While a healthy Barber will most certainly not outplay a healthy Jones, I'd beg to differ that Barber doesn't do his job very well. If Jones remains healthy, expect 230-250 from Barber in the "closer" role. There are plenty of opportunities to score in that offense, and I'd expect Barber to eat up all of those red zone touches (assuming he remains healthy).

 

[Sweet Love]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.

The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et

The report from NFL Network was that "other executives around the league believe that Barber would be available for trade."A far cry from being shopped.

Something had to be hinted or inferred for multiple execs to feel he may be available, correct? That would be quite a coincidence if more than one source felt that someone from an oposing team may become trade fodder.

 

[switz]

A "healthy" Barber is going to out play Jones... especial Mid-season when Jones is beat up and Barber is just getting warmed up.

The contradiction in that sentence is hilarious.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

A "healthy" Barber is going to out play Jones... especial Mid-season when Jones is beat up and Barber is just getting warmed up.

The contradiction in that sentence is hilarious.

As much as I dislike Felix.....I agree with Switz....horrible contradiction in that statement.

 

[switz]

If Jones remains healthy, expect 230-250 from Barber in the "closer" role. There are plenty of opportunities to score in that offense, and I'd expect Barber to eat up all of those red zone touches (assuming he remains healthy).

As a "full time starter" Barber has never even hinted at 250 carries, his career high is 238. The season in which Barber supplanted Julius, he saw 248 touches, but that was spending part of the season as a de facto starter.I don't think anyone can argue that Felix is worse than Julius Jones, and when Julius started Barber, as the "closer", saw 135 and 138 touches, 18 and 23 receptions.

It doesn't seem that there's much basis for projecting Barber to see 250 touches in a closer role IMO. I would guess he'll hover around 180-210.

I will agree that Barber will get most of the GL opps given last years 24 for him, versus 3 for Felix. They had nearly identical TD/ touch numbers in that role, but I think most people would agree Barber is better suited for that role. Choice saw 8 carries at the GL, but only converted 2, having the worst of the three RBs TD/carry ratio (and people still argue he's the best of the 3 RBs )

 

[JPeso]

If Jones remains healthy, expect 230-250 from Barber in the "closer" role. There are plenty of opportunities to score in that offense, and I'd expect Barber to eat up all of those red zone touches (assuming he remains healthy).

As a "full time starter" Barber has never even hinted at 250 carries, his career high is 238. The season in which Barber supplanted Julius, he saw 248 touches, but that was spending part of the season as a de facto starter.I don't think anyone can argue that Felix is worse than Julius Jones, and when Julius started Barber, as the "closer", saw 135 and 138 touches, 18 and 23 receptions.

It doesn't seem that there's much basis for projecting Barber to see 250 touches in a closer role IMO. I would guess he'll hover around 180-210.

I will agree that Barber will get most of the GL opps given last years 24 for him, versus 3 for Felix. They had nearly identical TD/ touch numbers in that role, but I think most people would agree Barber is better suited for that role. Choice saw 8 carries at the GL, but only converted 2, having the worst of the three RBs TD/carry ratio (and people still argue he's the best of the 3 RBs )

Keep banging your head on the wall. My post was for points in PPR, not carries. I apologize for not spelling this out. Over 16 games (I did say assuming healthy), that's 14.4 - 15.6 average. With that said, I do expect Barber to miss games and will have him projected to roughly 190-200 PPR points if the situation remains as I expect. For reference, Felix is at RB13 and Barber is at RB28 in my current dynasty rankings.

 

[switz]

Choice saw 8 carries at the GL, but only converted 2, having the worst of the three RBs TD/carry ratio (and people still argue he's the best of the 3 RBs )

Keep banging your head on the wall. My post was for points in PPR, not carries. I apologize for not spelling this out.

Ah, points... totally different story. As for the banging the head on the wall, that was in reference to the crowd that seems to insist Choice is the best RB in Dallas, not anything to do with your post.

 

[phthalatemagic]

A "healthy" Barber is going to out play Jones... especial Mid-season when Jones is beat up and Barber is just getting warmed up.

The contradiction in that sentence is hilarious.

As much as I dislike Felix.....I agree with Switz....horrible contradiction in that statement.

Why? Barber has played in 75 games in 5 seasons. You can take Barber's two fewest games played seasons and it still adds up to 8 more games than Jones did in his first two seasons.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

A "healthy" Barber is going to out play Jones... especial Mid-season when Jones is beat up and Barber is just getting warmed up.

The contradiction in that sentence is hilarious.

As much as I dislike Felix.....I agree with Switz....horrible contradiction in that statement.

Why? Barber has played in 75 games in 5 seasons. You can take Barber's two fewest games played seasons and it still adds up to 8 more games than Jones did in his first two seasons.

B/c missed games....isn't the same thing as healthy. Marion Barber with his running style will never be more than 90% healthy at his peak any more....if that. In an interview recently, Kobe Bryant was asked when was the last time he was 100%. He responded with probably when I was 17. Now compare basketball to football and being a RB....see my point?

 

[phthalatemagic]

A "healthy" Barber is going to out play Jones... especial Mid-season when Jones is beat up and Barber is just getting warmed up.

The contradiction in that sentence is hilarious.

As much as I dislike Felix.....I agree with Switz....horrible contradiction in that statement.

Why? Barber has played in 75 games in 5 seasons. You can take Barber's two fewest games played seasons and it still adds up to 8 more games than Jones did in his first two seasons.

B/c missed games....isn't the same thing as healthy. Marion Barber with his running style will never be more than 90% healthy at his peak any more....if that. In an interview recently, Kobe Bryant was asked when was the last time he was 100%. He responded with probably when I was 17. Now compare basketball to football and being a RB....see my point?

OK. I thought you were hitching yourself to switz's agenda, which is to say that Barber isn't as healthy as Jones on a regular basis. Forgive me.

 

[switz]

OK. I thought you were hitching yourself to switz's agenda, which is to say that Barber isn't as healthy as Jones on a regular basis. Forgive me.

Since they've been in the league together, Barber has had more injuries than Jones - and games played != being healthy or uninjured. Barber has played quite a few games while injured. Jones has not played games when healthy. Games played != Healthy.HTH

 

[phthalatemagic]

OK. I thought you were hitching yourself to switz's agenda, which is to say that Barber isn't as healthy as Jones on a regular basis. Forgive me.

Since they've been in the league together, Barber has had more injuries than Jones - and games played != being healthy or uninjured. Barber has played quite a few games while injured. Jones has not played games when healthy. Games played != Healthy.HTH

Marion Barber plays football. Felix Jones plays trainers table.HTH

 

[KellysHeroes]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.

The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et

The report from NFL Network was that "other executives around the league believe that Barber would be available for trade."A far cry from being shopped.

I don't think the Money and Contract is a problem with Jerry; but I could see him trading MB away to ensure that Felix gets a ton of PT.A "healthy" Barber is going to out play Jones... especial Mid-season when Jones is beat up and Barber is just getting warmed up.

No way. Barber is slow, and gets tackled far to easy. He was a monster several years ago for a small amount of carries. He hasn't been jack since he has gotten the starting role.

While a healthy Barber will most certainly not outplay a healthy Jones, I'd beg to differ that Barber doesn't do his job very well. If Jones remains healthy, expect 230-250 from Barber in the "closer" role. There are plenty of opportunities to score in that offense, and I'd expect Barber to eat up all of those red zone touches (assuming he remains healthy).

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...rber-highlightshttp://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092014/2...9000d5d812ca471

guy is a beast....

 

[switz]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...rber-highlights

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092014/2...9000d5d812ca471

guy is was a beast....

fixed

 

[KellysHeroes]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...rber-highlights

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092014/2...9000d5d812ca471

guy is was a beast....

fixed

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

 

[Go deep]

OK. I thought you were hitching yourself to switz's agenda, which is to say that Barber isn't as healthy as Jones on a regular basis. Forgive me.

Since they've been in the league together, Barber has had more injuries than Jones - and games played != being healthy or uninjured. Barber has played quite a few games while injured. Jones has not played games when healthy. Games played != Healthy.HTH

Marion Barber plays football. Felix Jones plays trainers table.HTH

Neither Jones or Barber have played a full season in the last two years, Barber has averaged 4 ypc, Jones has averaged 6.5.....just saying.

 

[imagroid]

Oi vei...the good ole ypc argument. This is a fantasy football website yes? I don't know any leagues that award pts for ypc. 1800yds > 950 yds. 16td's > 6TD's. 78 recs > 21 recs. I think bringing up past statistics isn't exactly how you Felix supporters are going to get it done.

 

[phthalatemagic]

OK. I thought you were hitching yourself to switz's agenda, which is to say that Barber isn't as healthy as Jones on a regular basis. Forgive me.

Since they've been in the league together, Barber has had more injuries than Jones - and games played != being healthy or uninjured. Barber has played quite a few games while injured. Jones has not played games when healthy. Games played != Healthy.HTH

Marion Barber plays football. Felix Jones plays trainers table.HTH

Neither Jones or Barber have played a full season in the last two years, Barber has averaged 4 ypc, Jones has averaged 6.5.....just saying.

Steve Breaston averaged 22 ypc last season.

 

[Go deep]

Oi vei...the good ole ypc argument. This is a fantasy football website yes? I don't know any leagues that award pts for ypc. 1800yds > 950 yds. 16td's > 6TD's. 78 recs > 21 recs. I think bringing up past statistics isn't exactly how you Felix supporters are going to get it done.

Get what done?

 

[Andy Herron]

Multiple Cowboys sources denied Tuesday that Marion Barber is on the trading block.

The denials come on the heels of an NFL Network report that Barber is available via trade. Due a $4M roster bonus and $3.8M base salary, the increasingly injury-prone MBIII is making too much money to play a supporting role behind Felix Jones. With the Cowboys set to contend in 2010, though, owner Jerry Jones has suggested his backfield depth is a luxury he can't afford to lose. Mar. 30 - 4:17 pm et

The report from NFL Network was that "other executives around the league believe that Barber would be available for trade."A far cry from being shopped.

Something had to be hinted or inferred for multiple execs to feel he may be available, correct? That would be quite a coincidence if more than one source felt that someone from an oposing team may become trade fodder.

No. It simply means that it's well understood that Dallas has 3 capable RBs and that Barber would be the odd man out if it came to be that one might be available. There's no coincidence about it, it's purely simple math.

 

[Routilla]

I would be fine with Felix and Choice as my main RBs but I don't think MB3 would yield much in terms of a draft pick. They might be able to trade him and move up in a round but that's about it.

 

[chidoy]

Oi vei...the good ole ypc argument. This is a fantasy football website yes? I don't know any leagues that award pts for ypc. 1800yds > 950 yds. 16td's > 6TD's. 78 recs > 21 recs. I think bringing up past statistics isn't exactly how you Felix supporters are going to get it done.

 

[Go deep]

Oi vei...the good ole ypc argument. This is a fantasy football website yes? I don't know any leagues that award pts for ypc. 1800yds > 950 yds. 16td's > 6TD's. 78 recs > 21 recs. I think bringing up past statistics isn't exactly how you Felix supporters are going to get it done.

Tomlinson, Thomas Jones, and Matt Forte all put up better totals than Felix last year, they all also had low YPC, would anyone draft those guys over Felix in 2010? Why not?

 

[imagroid]

Oi vei...the good ole ypc argument. This is a fantasy football website yes? I don't know any leagues that award pts for ypc. 1800yds > 950 yds. 16td's > 6TD's. 78 recs > 21 recs. I think bringing up past statistics isn't exactly how you Felix supporters are going to get it done.

Tomlinson, Thomas Jones, and Matt Forte all put up better totals than Felix last year, they all also had low YPC, would anyone draft those guys over Felix in 2010? Why not?

Yeah and Justin Forsett & Correll Buckhalter had a higher ypc than Ray Rice. Did you have a point?

 

[Go deep]

Oi vei...the good ole ypc argument. This is a fantasy football website yes? I don't know any leagues that award pts for ypc. 1800yds > 950 yds. 16td's > 6TD's. 78 recs > 21 recs. I think bringing up past statistics isn't exactly how you Felix supporters are going to get it done.

Tomlinson, Thomas Jones, and Matt Forte all put up better totals than Felix last year, they all also had low YPC, would anyone draft those guys over Felix in 2010? Why not?

Yeah and Justin Forsett & Correll Buckhalter had a higher ypc than Ray Rice. Did you have a point?

Yes, that you cant ignore YPC. I never said to use it exclusively, i simply pointed out Jones YPC as a positive.

 

[imagroid]

Oi vei...the good ole ypc argument. This is a fantasy football website yes? I don't know any leagues that award pts for ypc. 1800yds > 950 yds. 16td's > 6TD's. 78 recs > 21 recs. I think bringing up past statistics isn't exactly how you Felix supporters are going to get it done.

Tomlinson, Thomas Jones, and Matt Forte all put up better totals than Felix last year, they all also had low YPC, would anyone draft those guys over Felix in 2010? Why not?

Yeah and Justin Forsett & Correll Buckhalter had a higher ypc than Ray Rice. Did you have a point?

Yes, that you cant ignore YPC. I never said to use it exclusively, i simply pointed out Jones YPC as a positive.

It's a positive w/r/t his talent and what he "could" do if he carried the ball more, but for fantasy purposes it's totally irrelevant.

 

[Go deep]

Yes, that you cant ignore YPC. I never said to use it exclusively, i simply pointed out Jones YPC as a positive.

It's a positive w/r/t his talent and what he "could" do if he carried the ball more, but for fantasy purposes it's totally irrelevant.

Lets asssume he gets 250 carries, wont you receive more fantasy points if he averages 6 YPC instead of 4?

 

[imagroid]

Lets asssume he gets 250 carries, wont you receive more fantasy points if he averages 6 YPC instead of 4?

Well, yes of course! Rather large assumption though.

 

[Go deep]

Lets asssume he gets 250 carries, wont you receive more fantasy points if he averages 6 YPC instead of 4?

Well, yes of course! Rather large assumption though.

I dont try to acquire players after they have huge seasons, i try to find them before. There are a few obvious things i look for when trying to determine who that might be.Pedigree - Felix was a first round pick, check.Talent - Eye ball test, checkProduction - Like i said, 6.5 YPC, checkSituation - Im not sure there is a better supporting cast for a RB to have, checkOpportunity - He got more work at the end of the season, and Jerry Jones himself has said he will be their starting RB, checkSure, he has had injury problems, but if he didnt, we would not even be talking about this as everyone would have him in their top 5-10 RB's already.Im not trying to win a debate or something here, nor am i defending my player. Up until a couple weeks ago i didnt own him in any leagues. I am however truly suprised how so few people are not seeing the same things i see. Sure, he could spend the next few years injured, but its worth the risk as no other player in the league has the Chris Johnson type upside as he does.

 

[DropKick]

I think the Boys running game would be competent with Felix, Choice and some rookie or veteran depth. Barber's salary and perceived (limited) role certainly makes him expendable. Ownership appears to drool over Felix. Perhaps there just simply are no takers at that salary.

 

[switz]

It's a positive w/r/t his talent and what he "could" do if he carried the ball more, but for fantasy purposes it's totally irrelevant.

Quite the opposite. Just as Matt Forte's low YPC was a clear indication that his opportunity was likely to decrease and along with it his FF value, Jones high YPC is a good indication that his opportunity will increase, and his FF value with it. Just because Jones' FF output last season wasn't higher than Barber's doesn't mean next season it won't.

 

[switz]

Oi vei...the good ole ypc argument. This is a fantasy football website yes? I don't know any leagues that award pts for ypc. 1800yds > 950 yds. 16td's > 6TD's. 78 recs > 21 recs. I think bringing up past statistics isn't exactly how you Felix supporters are going to get it done.

You go ahead and draft players based on past performance, you don't get points for last years' stats...