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Walking off doesn't mean anything... I doubt they rush him back, and have no idea on the quad strain... it looked pretty painful, and he obviously can't run with it.
Agree on this. Is T. Choice worth a pick up?
if he's out for a few weeks I would think so...they have Car, Den and KC on the schedule and then a bye. Could be a decent plug in.
Yes a good pick up, I believe Felix is playing at about 90% with a leg injury as well. Choice will get about 60-70% of the carries while Barber is out.
I figured as much - after I posted that I dropped Sim-Walker and picked up Choice (redraft league).No matter how mild that quad strain is, it's not good for a runner. I can't see him missing the season, but to bounce back next week would be shocking IMO.
Agreed! If it wasn't "too bad", then he would have been able to return to the game. When a player is warmed up (i.e., already playing and working up a sweat), and he is unable to continue playing due to a muscle injury, I would not dismiss this as not "too bad". The fact that he was unable to return to a divisional game of this magnitude is very noteworthy, IMO. I do not have a clue as to the prognosis, but if he plays this next game I would be pretty shocked.
It sure didn't look mild to me. He was only a few yards away from scoring, pulled up lame, fell to the ground and all while barely hanging onto the ball....and this is a tough runner. Bottom line, it's not minor.
thought the same thing...the only way I wouldn't have thought it was a big deal is if it were a cramp. Due to the heat a bunch of players were cramping and thought that may have been a possibility but if it's an injury he'll probably be on the shelf for a few games.
So... when Barber left the game, which RB came in?By your post it sure would seem that Choice was the RB that came in, but the problem is, he wasn't. It was Jones in the red zone, on a run up the middle.Sure, Choice will get more work now than he had in the first couple games, but Felix will get the majority, unless his thigh bruise prevents it.Game 1 - Choice got most of his work after Felix went out, and that was still only 4 touches.Game 2 - Choice saw like 3 plays total, Felix had 7, and was the primary ball carrier after Barber went out.I just don't see the Choice hype here, it's not logical. Sure, he will see an increase in carries, but getting 80% of Barber's touches? Not likely. He will probably be used more in the passing game where Barber was, I agree with that, but Jones will be the primary RB.
could you tell if he had ice on it? if it is a strained quad, is there much they can do other than ice and rest?
Not entirely true... Barber and Jones have had a 2-1 work load. About a 70/30 split. They have worked Jones into the game plan, he opened the second half as the RB for that series.On the other hand, Choice has been pretty MIA.For some reason, despite having an abundance of players with talent (more than many thought) Garrett really just doesn't know how to use them. That's more of a worry to me than anything.
That is a good point.One thing to note, is next week they play CAR, which hasn't been too good against the run, so IF Barber is suffering from more than a cramp, it would make sense that they rest him at least next week.
72/28. Some of which only came because MBIII was injured.Which is not what you expect when you hear the OC and HC talk about how they want to get someone more involved.
If it was a cramp then why did Dal list it as a quad strain during the game? Just asking.
I have no idea. Looked like he was just hanging out like all the other players on the sidelines. I didn't even see him sitting on the bench, he was standing there then got into a full on crouch toward the end, probably praying the FG would miss. I'm not a doctor and hate threads like this where wild guesses are being made on how messed up the guy is when no one knows.
No one knows for sure, just saying it is a possibility. I would expect an MRI this week and then we'll know more.
LOL ONE carry came after Barber was injured!!!!
McNabb was on the sidelines after he got hurt too so I wouldn't look too much into that one way or the other.
As good as Felix looked Choice looked just as good if not better when he shouldered the load by himself at the end of last year. Choice is more suited to Barber's role than Felix is.
I agree 100%. Barber looked better last night than he did at anytime since very early last season. I just hope they don't run him into the ground again. For multiple reasons.
Do you honestly believe that? Felix averaged 8.9 YPC last season, 9.1 this season.
We really can't say that. Felix has never been tried in that role. All we know is that every single run Felix has had in the redzone (typically tough inside running) has gone for a TD. One last season, two this preseason, and one last night. I think it's very premature to say one is better suited than the other.Choice is 5'11 210Jones is 6'0 212Not much size difference.Choice is the known commodity in Barber's role, but that's it. And Felix was the one to come in for Barber last night, not Choice. And honestly, we don't even know yet if Barber will miss anytime at all.
What I said is not a knock on Felix. The guy is electric no doubt about it. I just think it's to his benefit to stay in his current role to be able to break off those long runs, Choice is proven in Barber's role so why not plug in Choice and keep it going. Just so the debate can end though, I really want Felix to get 70% of the carries to see what that YPC looks like after 4 qtrs of punishment.
Mind posting a link to the news article that states Choice is Barber's backup if/when he goes down?
I'm sure it would vary game to game, but just like any RB, the more short yardage carries he's given, the lower his YPC will be. However, I don't think it would be as low as you think. Even if he breaks off one 50 yarder, and has 14 carries for 1 yard each, he's going to have over 4 YPC. He'll have a pretty good YPC because he is stinking explosive. He broke off two long runs on only 7 opportunities last night. More opportunities likely equals more long runs.I would like him to get a bigger share so he learns how to toughen up a bit. He's clearly not used to getting hit, even though he does run through hits well. I saw him twice take himself out of the game last night after getting hit. He needs to learn to stay in the game. I don't think he's not tough enough to do so, I just don't think he's ever had to. He'll learn.Johnny Ice said:
actually, they'll split. And things might lean towards Choice if Felix doesnt learn how to hang on to the ball. It's becoming a problem.
That was Felix's 1st career fumble. Sorry, but I don't see the problem.
I walked away from my ACL injury. I wasnt able to do much of anything for at least 6 months after the surgery.the fact that he is walking can mean one of many things:1) the injury wont get any worse by walking or standing on it.2) the player isnt in a huge amount of pain.It can also mean the player isnt badly hurt, but I dont think you can count on this. I think one of the two above mentioned possibilities is more likely the case.and neither means the injury isnt bad.we need to wait for the MRI to know for sure what is up with this.
You can pretty much ignore the fumble. It's not an issue with Felix. It was on a kickoff, not a carry. Hard to see why anyone would think it would have an impact on whether Felix was used in the running game or not. He had more carries last night after the fumble than before.
At this point I don't think Barber misses any time, but I believe they will work Felix in more and more. Barber won't see 18 carries again IMO.Comments like this seem to ignore the job Tashard Choice did in 4 December games last year, when Barber was limited or out:62 carries, 325 yards, 5.2 YPC, 2 TDsAnother 163 yards on 17 receptions15.2 fantasy PPGBTW those 4 games were @PIT, NYG, BAL, and @PHI.I don't know exactly how the carries would shake out if Barber was to be out for an extended period, but those writing off Choice as a legit option to carry 50% or more of the load are foolish IMO (or Jones owners -- maybe both
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