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he looked very fast and the holes were pretty big. he can beat the defenders to the corner.he doesnt seem like a pound the rock 20+ times a game kinda back to me. get him the ball in space. screens, sweeps, etc...he did have the fumble that went out of bounds, and i'm not sure he will be able to run all over fast, athletic D's. i honestly didnt watch the whole game, but from what i saw, mcfadden aint gonna make frank gore-like cuts. am i wrong?
You can sell him in a dynasty format this week and parlay the performance into something for your team. ****But I disagree with all of your three ponits1 Against KC -- Are they not an NFL team anymore? I can think of easier teams to go against defense wise and he was on the road.2 "He's getting nicked up" Does any player, esp. RB, not get dings *(besides Portis!), see Adrian Peterson, LT2, Reggie Bush, McGahee and anyone else3. Yes: OAK is putrid for many reasons (DeAngelo Hall/Javon Walker), but they have to run the ball like every other team. DMAC will get 15-20 touches PG.
I'm not sure I'd call him a north-south runner. I agree that he's not in the Barry Sanders mold, but he's not a guy who I'd want to send between the tackles very often either. I think DMac's best/most natural run is an off-tackle run where he can get up to full speed as he passes the line of scrimmage. The problem for him is that he's not going to get past that point in the NFL very often without getting touched as he had the luxury of doing in college and yesterday vs the Chiefs, which will limit his explosiveness. I also agree that it seems like his touches need to be limited to keep him healthy. He's not a "soft" runner who is afraid to lower his shoulder and who tries to avoid contact, but he does seem to get dinged up a lot. He's no Hershel Walker, who was an absolute bull along with being a breakaway threat. Walker had more in common with Bo Jackson than he did with DMac.big0mar said:
Read the title, Mr. Snarky!
Yes, the Raiders are an awful team in the NFL, but it's a great situation for an RB in fantasy football. All the team can do is RUN. If they get ahead, they RUN.When they get behind, they still RUN ...and maybe throw some screens and dump-offs.The main concern for McFadden haters shouldn't be his team or his talent, but rather his chance for injury.TheDirtyWord said:
NEVER!!! I just would rather talk with those who don't look at a rookie running for 160+ and a TD in his first extended action and all they can say is that he got caught from behind or that he fumbled. Dissent is fine. Sour grapes go elsewhere.
anytime theres a "pat eachother on the back" kinda thread, theres gonna be a little bit o naysayin.Read the title, Mr. Snarky!
it's all about analyzing the performance. i think he looked good, but i'll put an asterisk by the performance.and who's a hater? i dont hate Mcfadden. he had a great wk. celebrate if he helped your fantasy team. just realize that when you do celebrate, you're gonna get a little crap for it. especially if he doesnt repeat his performance. half the fun of FF is the back and forth on stuff like this.
I disagree about the term 'putrid' as it relates to the Lions. The Lions record with Barry Sanders was 78-82. Pretty much average. They had 3 years of 10 wins plus and Sanders played for two coaches during his entire career. Is this potentially a result of the Ford's loyalties (Fontes in the 90's, Millen today)? Perhaps, but the Lions were not a league laughingstock.Turn the page to the Raiders now. McFadden will be playing for his second HC, perhaps by as early as today. The owner is such a determinent to the franchise that noone who is qualified to be a head coach in the NFL wants any part of them. The current HC who was the QB coach at USC saw the Raiders job as a stepping stone for his career. How many interviews for HC positions have James Lofton and Tom Rathman received (besides ones with the Raiders)? And the franchise has won 20 games in the last 5+ years.Andy Dufresne said:
I agree. The Lions situation with Sanders was a whole lot better than the Raiders' situation as an organization. The key word in each case is "stability". You can mock Wayne Fontes' nine lives act all you want (and I've done so plenty of times) but stability in the NFL is a virtue, and the Raiders just don't have it. It is or should be an utter embarrassment to anyone expecting professionalism from their NFL team that Al Davis didn't fire Lane Kiffin this last offseason despite several big and obvious ruptures in their relationship because he instead wanted Kiffin to resign, just so that he wouldn't have to pay the remainder of Kiffin's contractual salary. Now he's going to fire him mid-season, and make the situation several times worse because of the additional disruption a mid-season firing will cause. Ridiculous.
Before? Permanent?What, you mean like before he burns down the Coliseum? Or actually executes one of his coaches?
Class act.Michael Bush looked pretty good, too. But as someone who doubted McFadden, at least in terms of whether he was on an ADP level, I officially am coming out to say that I was incorrect. I know it was only one game, but he looked fantastic. He really is all he was hyped to be and then some. Congratulations to all who picked him up!Which wouldn't include me..
I bet you can still buy relatively low if the toe news looks bad.
- it was against the Chiefs. If he HADN'T put up a big game, I'd have been concerned.
I'm not taking a side either way (boom or bust) on McFadden yet, it's too early. I only own him in one league and I handcuffed him with Fargas. Figured Fargas would get the better lines until he went down
But.. I dont think DMC is a better bet than CJohnson. He put Fatty White out to pasture with one preseason. And TEN is going to run just as much as OAK (and run better), without all the extra crap which has already been gone over ad nauseam.Reminds me of Ricky Watters and Shaun Alexander, except Fargas is no Watters.
McFadden owner here and must say I'm happy for the great game. However, the two injuries in two games are concerning. Long term, I also don't like Fargas going down as that gets Bush his shot to show something and I think he's probably got more talent to threaten McFadden in a dynasty type situation. You could also see Bush potentially draw some goal line looks down the road and I def don't like that. Nothing like a TD vulture to kill your back's value. Short term gain (Fargas injury) for possible long term loss.Back to the positive though, great game.Back to the critic's voice
Johnson has 34 carries, White has 33. Johnson has 5 receptions, White has none. White has 2 TDs and all the short yardage/GL looks, Johnson has 1 TD via reception. White is far from the pasture and this situation is nothing more than a successful RBBC in the mold of Jack last year.
Very true.McFadden between the 20s, Bush in the red zone...unless Fargas is healthy.
I really don't know what there is to be rejoincing about. - they played against The Chiefs who are AWFUL. - McFadden got nicked up 2nd game in arole - He actually got caught from behind - his touchdown run was the result of 2 defenders running into each other - he still lacks the balance and speed a great runner usually posses when they make cuts and change directionI'd sell him for Jonathan Stewart after this week
I see the following differences:White has 33 att for 99 yds. 3.0YPC.Johnson 34 att for 204yds. 6.0YPC. Even if take out the 51yd run in gm2 (which isn't really fair as White is not going to break a 51 yd run..) it's still 4.6YPCGM1: Johnson had 15 carries for 93yds, 3 rec for 33 yds and TD before getting cramped with 6mins left in the 4th qtr.At that time White had 8 att for 25 yds (3.0ypc), his remaining 7att for 15yds (15att, 40yds total) and TD came after johnson was out.GM2:To be fair, it was a wash between the two (If you take out the 51ydr..)I watched the Cincy game. The Bungles were playing tough against the run (at least initially) Sunday regardless of their rep.In 07 Fred Taylor was the starter, had 223 for 1202 (5.4YPC), 9 rec for 58yds. So 1260 yds from scrimmage at over 5.5 per touch.MJD had 167 for 768 (4.6YPC) and 40 rec for 407yds. 1171yds at 5.7 per touch.Last year White had 303 for 1110 (3.7YPC) and 20 for 114yds. 1224 at 3.8 per touch.Given its a small sample, but so far in 08 White is below his avg's for last year (which weren't great), and Johnson is almost twice as effective.That's why you can afford to give the ball to both RB in JAX in 07 if you're Jack Del Rio but it won't be an even split in TEN IMO (and also why MJD never took the starting job from Taylor).This is in Johnson's first two games. IMO he is going to get more not less of the load.Johnson took the starting job from White, and White comes in to give him a breather. MJD didn't do that in JAX and McFadden hadn't done that in OAK.All this goes back to saying that I would have been happier taking Johnson over McFadden, the only point I was really trying to make.Sorry for the hijack to the OP
I saw a particular run last week when he got hit in the leg and managed to regain his balance and move forward another few yards and I thought to myself, "That's some nice agility and balance he showed there."But I guess when you draw your conclusions before you see all the evidence, you'll look for and cite only evidence that fits you pre-determined conclusions. This sort of attitude a lot of people have about a particular player, whether they think they will suck or be great, reminds me of Christian Science. "OK. Here's what our results are going to be. Now let's go out there and find evidence to support it."
Sorry you are not correct on that. I actually went out and watched games/highlights on McFadden with high hopes for this guy behind all the hype he receives, but I came away dissapointed. I definitely didn't draw conclusions before I watched him run.
Shoulder stinger week 1, 'turf toe' week two, what's there to be about?
What does "arole" mean?Shoulder stinger week 1, 'turf toe' week two, what's there to be
So, I'm guess these pre-season quotes from you are talking about watching him run in college?
I agree with EBF 100% on the assessment of McFadden and his take on elite runners and their common attributes
That was my point. He looked good in this game, but I think the Chiefs are going to make a lot of guys look good. Let's see him make a solid showing a few weeks in a row.
