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McFadden/Fargas/Bush (1 Viewer)

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Has Bush earned carries regardless of how healthy McFadden & Fargas are? Could this be a 3-headed attack, with Bush getting the goal-line touches?

 
I have a feeling that Fargas will be out for quite some time with a strained/torn groin so it will be a "normal" RBBC in Oakland. Of course if Kiffin is not the coach all bets are off, Davis wants McFadden to be a full timer so that could also be the case.

 
Has Bush earned carries regardless of how healthy McFadden & Fargas are? Could this be a 3-headed attack, with Bush getting the goal-line touches?
A three headed attack can't hurt, but I think Fargas and McFadden have proven to be too talented a duo already -- but Fargas was carted off. I don't think there's been anything official on his injury yet, but being carted off the field is never good. I actually think a Bush/McFadden duo would be better, especially in terms of youth and for the future -- but if Fargas is back soon, I don't see Bush benefiting much besides the occasional goal line carry if he proves he's worthy of the work.
 
If you saw Fargas drop, and you've watched football long enough to have seen Fred Taylor drop with a similar injury years back, it was painful to watch.

I would be shocked if we are not talking about a groin tear.

I'm third in waiver order, salivating over Bush.

 
If you saw Fargas drop, and you've watched football long enough to have seen Fred Taylor drop with a similar injury years back, it was painful to watch.

I would be shocked if we are not talking about a groin tear.

I'm third in waiver order, salivating over Bush.
Like he was shot with a gun. Yeah, he's gone for a while to say the least.
 
Has Bush earned carries regardless of how healthy McFadden & Fargas are? Could this be a 3-headed attack, with Bush getting the goal-line touches?
If McFadden stops trying to imitate Chrissy Brown with his constant, injuries, he should begin to see 25-30 carries/gm..
 
Has Bush earned carries regardless of how healthy McFadden & Fargas are? Could this be a 3-headed attack, with Bush getting the goal-line touches?
A three headed attack can't hurt, but I think Fargas and McFadden have proven to be too talented a duo already -- but Fargas was carted off. I don't think there's been anything official on his injury yet, but being carted off the field is never good. I actually think a Bush/McFadden duo would be better, especially in terms of youth and for the future -- but if Fargas is back soon, I don't see Bush benefiting much besides the occasional goal line carry if he proves he's worthy of the work.
bush's value hinges on how long fargas is out. (chances are he'll be resting his groin for a while.)with fargas back, bush won't be worth much at all.mcfadden, though, will see at least 50% of the touches in a run heavy offense regardless of fargas's health--so long as a) he stays healthy--he missed practice today. kiffin also said that he probably got caught from behind because of his toe injury. this is two straight games where coaches wanted to get the ball to mcfadden more and he was limited due to injury... not the end of the world but he needs to show some durability over the coming weeksb) he stops fumbling the ball--one of the fumbles was a terrible mistake. the other was a fluke when the ball was kicked out of his hand by the heel of a blocker. i doubt the raiders bench a talent like him over fumbling problems but it could lead to more bush carries. (of course, bush fumbled too, so....)also, mcfadden got short yardage carries in week 1 with a healthy fargas so i'm not so sure bush will be short yardage guy with fargas out. he probably will spell mcfadden every couple series or so.
 
Not sure but I do know that BUF is going to spank the Raiders this Sunday. I've got it locked down already.

 
If McFadden stops trying to imitate Chrissy Brown with his constant, injuries, he should begin to see 25-30 carries/gm..
There is no chance he gets 25-30 carries a game. None.First, he's not built for it. Secondly, the Raiders won't have enough leads to afford him that opportunity.
 
If McFadden stops trying to imitate Chrissy Brown with his constant, injuries, he should begin to see 25-30 carries/gm..
There is no chance he gets 25-30 carries a game. None.First, he's not built for it. Secondly, the Raiders won't have enough leads to afford him that opportunity.
He won't average 25-30 carries a game, who does, but he will get it from time to time. He just got 21 carries in a game he did not start while suffering from a minor turf toe. He never missed a game in college and last year averaged 27 carries a game in SEC games. Until I see something on the playing field to suggest otherwise I think he can handle the workload just fine.
 
Any further word on the McFadden turf toe? This seems like what would potentially give Bush a lot of value, at least in the short term.

 
If McFadden stops trying to imitate Chrissy Brown with his constant, injuries, he should begin to see 25-30 carries/gm..
There is no chance he gets 25-30 carries a game. None.First, he's not built for it. Secondly, the Raiders won't have enough leads to afford him that opportunity.
Wow, you ripped me for implying that Braylon may have a confidence problem. It looks to me like you are making some pretty definitive assumptions here yourself. DMac is not built for it? What are the building specs anyways? Also, do you have a link to support the fact that Oakland won't be leading many games this year and furthermore how that would or would not affect a team's most dangerous offensive weapon? :boxing:
 
If McFadden stops trying to imitate Chrissy Brown with his constant, injuries, he should begin to see 25-30 carries/gm..
There is no chance he gets 25-30 carries a game. None.First, he's not built for it. Secondly, the Raiders won't have enough leads to afford him that opportunity.
Wow, you ripped me for implying that Braylon may have a confidence problem. It looks to me like you are making some pretty definitive assumptions here yourself. DMac is not built for it? What are the building specs anyways? Also, do you have a link to support the fact that Oakland won't be leading many games this year and furthermore how that would or would not affect a team's most dangerous offensive weapon? :boxing:
I'm sorry that you started a dumb thread. Pretend it never happened instead of deflecting.
 
:coffee: I gotta agree: McFadden and Bush form a very complimentary tandem but if Fargas gets healthy he will still be the primary guy with McFadden getting 40% and Bush on the outside. However, I DO think Fargas is out at least four weeks and maybe more.

Has Bush earned carries regardless of how healthy McFadden & Fargas are? Could this be a 3-headed attack, with Bush getting the goal-line touches?
A three headed attack can't hurt, but I think Fargas and McFadden have proven to be too talented a duo already -- but Fargas was carted off. I don't think there's been anything official on his injury yet, but being carted off the field is never good. I actually think a Bush/McFadden duo would be better, especially in terms of youth and for the future -- but if Fargas is back soon, I don't see Bush benefiting much besides the occasional goal line carry if he proves he's worthy of the work.
 
So is the agreement on the board that if Fargas misses time that RUN DMC will step into the majority role?

I thought Oakland was trying to run a thunder and lightning combo here. If fargas is out doesn't it make sense that Bush takes over the Fargas role?

 
So is the agreement on the board that if Fargas misses time that RUN DMC will step into the majority role? I thought Oakland was trying to run a thunder and lightning combo here. If fargas is out doesn't it make sense that Bush takes over the Fargas role?
If Fargas is out, Bush will get a lot more action. The Raiders run, run and run some more, regardless of score. So it's a good opportunity for Bush to get some burn, especially if the Raiders limit McFadden to preserve his toe.
 
Any further word on the McFadden turf toe? This seems like what would potentially give Bush a lot of value, at least in the short term.
Wk 3 @Buf (not a great matchup)Wk 4 SD (potential good for Bush as SD def isn't as stout as they used to be)Wk 5 BYE........fargas gets another wk to healWk 6 @NO (great matchup)Wk 7 NYJ....???Wk 8 @Balt
 
Fargas has never been able to stay on the field. For some reason the way McFadden runs it appears he will be taking some big hits and already has turf toe. That leaves Bush.

 
I'll say it again.. if you're a coach in the NFL, there's no way you can keep Michael Bush off the field. You have to get him involved.

Disclaimer: I'm a Louisville homer, that saw every game Bush ever played.

 
I'll say it again.. if you're a coach in the NFL, there's no way you can keep Michael Bush off the field. You have to get him involved.Disclaimer: I'm a Louisville homer, that saw every game Bush ever played.
You da man, Scott!! Just wanted to throw out the props.
 
Bush is there on the WW in my 12 team PPR league. Does anyone think it would be wise to drop Jerious Norwood or Fred Taylor for him? Fred Jackson is also sitting out there as well.

 
I'm a DMac owner, and picked up Bush off the WW as insurance. If DMac is too banged up to start, I've got Bush as insurance. And all it cost is Ricky Williams.

I figure either way I've got the guy who will get the majority of carries for Oakland, which should be good for @ 12 points per game as a floor.

 
Added Bush last night over Lamont Jordan. Someone was asking me during mocks who I thought could be a surprise RB this year and I said Bush if he got the chance.

I think DMC is awesome, but I do question his durability a little.

 
:coffee: Picked up Bush on the Rumor. Waiting to sell on the news.
Did I miss something? What's the rumor or are you just referring to the turf toe?
How bad Fargas is hurt mostly, as it relates to my "rumor" comment. But the fact that DMC has Turf Toe helps M Bush value right now. If DMC does not practice the rest of the week and Fargas is done for a month, Bush will be a semi valuable asset.
 
ESPN's John Clayton reports that Justin Fargas (groin) could be out "a few weeks."

Fargas' MRI results weren't released, but Clayton says he has no timetable to return. link
Bush's stock gains momentum.
 
Haven't heard much about DMac's toe... w/ what could be such a serious injury on a high profile Rookie... you'd think there be news updates alot more.

 
Let's see if McFadden's turf toe starts acting up.
Running back Darren McFadden has been practicing with a steel plate in his shoe and concedes his turf toe injury is bothersome.“You think you see a guy with turf toe, ‘Oh, it’s just a toe, he can go with it,’ ” McFadden said. “Once you get it, you understand why because every move that you make on it, it all revolves around your toe, and it’s pretty painful.”Charles Woodson needed pain-killing injections every week to get through the 2001 season, missing practice every day and playing on Sunday.McFadden said he wasn’t sure if he would need to take a shot. He said he was timid running on it at first but that the pain seemed manageable.As far as running with a steel plate in his right shoe, McFadden said, “It made me feel like I was running flat-footed. I feel like once I get used to practicing with that, playing with that, I’ll be all right.”That's from Jerry MacDonald's blog, today. People can draw their own conclusions.Long term, at least this season, I think that, barring injury, McFadden gets the majority of any RBBC looks. He's their best weapon, and while other teams can grind out long drives regularly, scoring as quickly as possible seems like a good plan for the Raiders, and DMC gives them the best chance of that.
 
Long term, at least this season, I think that, barring injury, McFadden gets the majority of any RBBC looks. He's their best weapon, and while other teams can grind out long drives regularly, scoring as quickly as possible seems like a good plan for the Raiders, and DMC gives them the best chance of that.
Great post, thanks for the insight. As far as your statement above, I agree 100%. The problem, however, is that McFadden is injured. Maybe not a cart-off-the-field injury, but any injury that has a running back adjusting his running style raises a red flag for me.McFadden is the most talented back and gives the Raiders the best chance to win. With the caveat that this is pure speculation on my part, with this news, I think the the carries might be a little more evenly distributed for a game or two between Bush and McFadden as the team ensures that they don't exacerbate the problem and see how McFadden handles the injury in game situations. The running game is the only thing the Raiders have offensively, and I don't think they jeopardize their primary threat unduly by running him into the ground.

Again, speculation, but with absolutely zero news about Fargas, I have to think they may be getting some more opinions on the injury, which isn't a good thing. I think if McFadden can play through the injury, we'll see him carry the lion's share of the carries.

But over the next game or two, I have to think that Bush at best splits carries with McFadden until he stabilizes playing on the toe. Thus Bush's value remains fairly high through their bye week.

 
Long term, at least this season, I think that, barring injury, McFadden gets the majority of any RBBC looks. He's their best weapon, and while other teams can grind out long drives regularly, scoring as quickly as possible seems like a good plan for the Raiders, and DMC gives them the best chance of that.
Great post, thanks for the insight. As far as your statement above, I agree 100%. The problem, however, is that McFadden is injured. Maybe not a cart-off-the-field injury, but any injury that has a running back adjusting his running style raises a red flag for me.McFadden is the most talented back and gives the Raiders the best chance to win. With the caveat that this is pure speculation on my part, with this news, I think the the carries might be a little more evenly distributed for a game or two between Bush and McFadden as the team ensures that they don't exacerbate the problem and see how McFadden handles the injury in game situations. The running game is the only thing the Raiders have offensively, and I don't think they jeopardize their primary threat unduly by running him into the ground.

Again, speculation, but with absolutely zero news about Fargas, I have to think they may be getting some more opinions on the injury, which isn't a good thing. I think if McFadden can play through the injury, we'll see him carry the lion's share of the carries.

But over the next game or two, I have to think that Bush at best splits carries with McFadden until he stabilizes playing on the toe. Thus Bush's value remains fairly high through their bye week.
:goodposting: All speculation, but I happen to agree with all of it. In addition, Turf Toe has hindered some very good running backs over the years and isn't something that goes away without a lot of rest. Unless Run DMC is out for Sunday (and it does not appear this will be the case) we should learn allot this Sunday as to how Bush/DMC will be used for the next few weeks.

As I stated in "The Drive Block" last night, I think there are a lot of people who are sleeping on M Bush right now. He might end up the last man standing on a team that needs to run the ball 30+ times to be competitive.

 
Am I the only one who believes that if Michael Bush was healthy last season that the Raiders would not have drafted McFadden?

McFadden looks very good, he might even be a special back in the NFL, but I think Bush has the skills to be an impact player too.

 
September 18, 2008

On steel footing

ALAMEDA - Darren McFadden practiced today with a steel plate in shoe and looks on course to play Sunday in Buffalo.

But you could imagine, running with steel on the bottom of your foot isn't exactly comfortable.

He did about 70 percent of his usual work in practice.

"It made me feel like I was running flat-footed," McFadden said. "I feel like once I get used to practicing with that, playing with that, I'll be all right."
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The concern that I would have with McFadden is that most of his value to his team and to fantasy football players is in his breakaway threat. He's not a grinder like Lynch or Portis. He's essentially a homerun threat and that's all. He's not going to pound it for 3 and 4 yards a carry. He's going to pick up small bits of yardage for 7 or 8 carries and then bust a 30 yard run.

But if his top end speed or ability to cut around the outside corner is limited due to his toe injury, then that homerun threat part of his game is gone. And if that HR threat is gone, then he's not going to be a lot of use to his team or to fantasy players.

 
Quick hits from Lane Kiffin’s press briefing following Friday’s walkthrough as the team began boarding buses the airport for their trip to Buffalo:

– Rookie running back Darren McFadden did very little in practice and will need a pain-killing injection to face the Bills Sunday, Kiffin said.

McFadden will be watched closely during warmups, but Kiffin said it would possible Michael Bush could end up being the lead back, with McFadden coming in for a quicker, faster change-up.

The previous day, Kiffin noted that McFadden’s runs were coming in a “big play, little play,” mode rather than as conssitent yards against Kansas City and expressed concern about a possible fumble as his workload increased.

That indicates that for all the talk of curing McFadden’s fumbling problems at Arkansas, he still does not have the trust of the staff in that area.

 
Quick hits from Lane Kiffin’s press briefing following Friday’s walkthrough as the team began boarding buses the airport for their trip to Buffalo:

– Rookie running back Darren McFadden did very little in practice and will need a pain-killing injection to face the Bills Sunday, Kiffin said.

McFadden will be watched closely during warmups, but Kiffin said it would possible Michael Bush could end up being the lead back, with McFadden coming in for a quicker, faster change-up.

The previous day, Kiffin noted that McFadden’s runs were coming in a “big play, little play,” mode rather than as conssitent yards against Kansas City and expressed concern about a possible fumble as his workload increased.

That indicates that for all the talk of curing McFadden’s fumbling problems at Arkansas, he still does not have the trust of the staff in that area.
What kind of player did Kiffin think McFadden was?
 
I don't know why they're even going to suit McFadden up. Sit him this week & if needed next week heading into the bye. You'll give him 4 full weeks of rest (from Week 2 game to Week 6 with only 2 games missed). You'd think they'd look in their division at LT and realize 'hey maybe it's for the best long term we shut him down'.

 
Quick hits from Lane Kiffin’s press briefing following Friday’s walkthrough as the team began boarding buses the airport for their trip to Buffalo:

– Rookie running back Darren McFadden did very little in practice and will need a pain-killing injection to face the Bills Sunday, Kiffin said.

McFadden will be watched closely during warmups, but Kiffin said it would possible Michael Bush could end up being the lead back, with McFadden coming in for a quicker, faster change-up.

The previous day, Kiffin noted that McFadden’s runs were coming in a “big play, little play,” mode rather than as conssitent yards against Kansas City and expressed concern about a possible fumble as his workload increased.

That indicates that for all the talk of curing McFadden’s fumbling problems at Arkansas, he still does not have the trust of the staff in that area.
What kind of player did Kiffin think McFadden was?
Where'd he say he was surprised?
 
Quick hits from Lane Kiffin’s press briefing following Friday’s walkthrough as the team began boarding buses the airport for their trip to Buffalo:

– Rookie running back Darren McFadden did very little in practice and will need a pain-killing injection to face the Bills Sunday, Kiffin said.

McFadden will be watched closely during warmups, but Kiffin said it would possible Michael Bush could end up being the lead back, with McFadden coming in for a quicker, faster change-up.

The previous day, Kiffin noted that McFadden’s runs were coming in a “big play, little play,” mode rather than as conssitent yards against Kansas City and expressed concern about a possible fumble as his workload increased.

That indicates that for all the talk of curing McFadden’s fumbling problems at Arkansas, he still does not have the trust of the staff in that area.
What kind of player did Kiffin think McFadden was?
Where'd he say he was surprised?
My bad, i'm not a raiders fan. I didn't know Kiffin is fond of stating the obvious.
 

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