A three headed attack can't hurt, but I think Fargas and McFadden have proven to be too talented a duo already -- but Fargas was carted off. I don't think there's been anything official on his injury yet, but being carted off the field is never good. I actually think a Bush/McFadden duo would be better, especially in terms of youth and for the future -- but if Fargas is back soon, I don't see Bush benefiting much besides the occasional goal line carry if he proves he's worthy of the work.Has Bush earned carries regardless of how healthy McFadden & Fargas are? Could this be a 3-headed attack, with Bush getting the goal-line touches?
Like he was shot with a gun. Yeah, he's gone for a while to say the least.If you saw Fargas drop, and you've watched football long enough to have seen Fred Taylor drop with a similar injury years back, it was painful to watch.
I would be shocked if we are not talking about a groin tear.
I'm third in waiver order, salivating over Bush.
If McFadden stops trying to imitate Chrissy Brown with his constant, injuries, he should begin to see 25-30 carries/gm..Has Bush earned carries regardless of how healthy McFadden & Fargas are? Could this be a 3-headed attack, with Bush getting the goal-line touches?
bush's value hinges on how long fargas is out. (chances are he'll be resting his groin for a while.)with fargas back, bush won't be worth much at all.mcfadden, though, will see at least 50% of the touches in a run heavy offense regardless of fargas's health--so long as a) he stays healthy--he missed practice today. kiffin also said that he probably got caught from behind because of his toe injury. this is two straight games where coaches wanted to get the ball to mcfadden more and he was limited due to injury... not the end of the world but he needs to show some durability over the coming weeksb) he stops fumbling the ball--one of the fumbles was a terrible mistake. the other was a fluke when the ball was kicked out of his hand by the heel of a blocker. i doubt the raiders bench a talent like him over fumbling problems but it could lead to more bush carries. (of course, bush fumbled too, so....)also, mcfadden got short yardage carries in week 1 with a healthy fargas so i'm not so sure bush will be short yardage guy with fargas out. he probably will spell mcfadden every couple series or so.A three headed attack can't hurt, but I think Fargas and McFadden have proven to be too talented a duo already -- but Fargas was carted off. I don't think there's been anything official on his injury yet, but being carted off the field is never good. I actually think a Bush/McFadden duo would be better, especially in terms of youth and for the future -- but if Fargas is back soon, I don't see Bush benefiting much besides the occasional goal line carry if he proves he's worthy of the work.Has Bush earned carries regardless of how healthy McFadden & Fargas are? Could this be a 3-headed attack, with Bush getting the goal-line touches?
...salivating over Bush.
There is no chance he gets 25-30 carries a game. None.First, he's not built for it. Secondly, the Raiders won't have enough leads to afford him that opportunity.If McFadden stops trying to imitate Chrissy Brown with his constant, injuries, he should begin to see 25-30 carries/gm..
He won't average 25-30 carries a game, who does, but he will get it from time to time. He just got 21 carries in a game he did not start while suffering from a minor turf toe. He never missed a game in college and last year averaged 27 carries a game in SEC games. Until I see something on the playing field to suggest otherwise I think he can handle the workload just fine.There is no chance he gets 25-30 carries a game. None.First, he's not built for it. Secondly, the Raiders won't have enough leads to afford him that opportunity.If McFadden stops trying to imitate Chrissy Brown with his constant, injuries, he should begin to see 25-30 carries/gm..
Wow, you ripped me for implying that Braylon may have a confidence problem. It looks to me like you are making some pretty definitive assumptions here yourself. DMac is not built for it? What are the building specs anyways? Also, do you have a link to support the fact that Oakland won't be leading many games this year and furthermore how that would or would not affect a team's most dangerous offensive weapon?There is no chance he gets 25-30 carries a game. None.First, he's not built for it. Secondly, the Raiders won't have enough leads to afford him that opportunity.If McFadden stops trying to imitate Chrissy Brown with his constant, injuries, he should begin to see 25-30 carries/gm..
I'm sorry that you started a dumb thread. Pretend it never happened instead of deflecting.Wow, you ripped me for implying that Braylon may have a confidence problem. It looks to me like you are making some pretty definitive assumptions here yourself. DMac is not built for it? What are the building specs anyways? Also, do you have a link to support the fact that Oakland won't be leading many games this year and furthermore how that would or would not affect a team's most dangerous offensive weapon?There is no chance he gets 25-30 carries a game. None.First, he's not built for it. Secondly, the Raiders won't have enough leads to afford him that opportunity.If McFadden stops trying to imitate Chrissy Brown with his constant, injuries, he should begin to see 25-30 carries/gm..![]()
A three headed attack can't hurt, but I think Fargas and McFadden have proven to be too talented a duo already -- but Fargas was carted off. I don't think there's been anything official on his injury yet, but being carted off the field is never good. I actually think a Bush/McFadden duo would be better, especially in terms of youth and for the future -- but if Fargas is back soon, I don't see Bush benefiting much besides the occasional goal line carry if he proves he's worthy of the work.Has Bush earned carries regardless of how healthy McFadden & Fargas are? Could this be a 3-headed attack, with Bush getting the goal-line touches?
He had an MRI on Monday, and the results are supposed to be announced today.Any news on Fargas?
+1I just picked up Michael Bush.
If Fargas is out, Bush will get a lot more action. The Raiders run, run and run some more, regardless of score. So it's a good opportunity for Bush to get some burn, especially if the Raiders limit McFadden to preserve his toe.So is the agreement on the board that if Fargas misses time that RUN DMC will step into the majority role? I thought Oakland was trying to run a thunder and lightning combo here. If fargas is out doesn't it make sense that Bush takes over the Fargas role?
Wk 3 @Buf (not a great matchup)Wk 4 SD (potential good for Bush as SD def isn't as stout as they used to be)Wk 5 BYE........fargas gets another wk to healWk 6 @NO (great matchup)Wk 7 NYJ....???Wk 8 @BaltAny further word on the McFadden turf toe? This seems like what would potentially give Bush a lot of value, at least in the short term.
I picked him up too. I had to drop Fargas as I am thinking he will be out for a while. I have 2 RBs off on the same bye, so I may need Bush to fill in.+1I just picked up Michael Bush.
Did I miss something? What's the rumor or are you just referring to the turf toe?Picked up Bush on the Rumor. Waiting to sell on the news.
What rumor?Picked up Bush on the Rumor. Waiting to sell on the news.
You da man, Scott!! Just wanted to throw out the props.I'll say it again.. if you're a coach in the NFL, there's no way you can keep Michael Bush off the field. You have to get him involved.Disclaimer: I'm a Louisville homer, that saw every game Bush ever played.
How bad Fargas is hurt mostly, as it relates to my "rumor" comment. But the fact that DMC has Turf Toe helps M Bush value right now. If DMC does not practice the rest of the week and Fargas is done for a month, Bush will be a semi valuable asset.Did I miss something? What's the rumor or are you just referring to the turf toe?Picked up Bush on the Rumor. Waiting to sell on the news.
I just did this.I would drop Norwood.
Running back Darren McFadden has been practicing with a steel plate in his shoe and concedes his turf toe injury is bothersome.“You think you see a guy with turf toe, ‘Oh, it’s just a toe, he can go with it,’ ” McFadden said. “Once you get it, you understand why because every move that you make on it, it all revolves around your toe, and it’s pretty painful.”Charles Woodson needed pain-killing injections every week to get through the 2001 season, missing practice every day and playing on Sunday.McFadden said he wasn’t sure if he would need to take a shot. He said he was timid running on it at first but that the pain seemed manageable.As far as running with a steel plate in his right shoe, McFadden said, “It made me feel like I was running flat-footed. I feel like once I get used to practicing with that, playing with that, I’ll be all right.”That's from Jerry MacDonald's blog, today. People can draw their own conclusions.Long term, at least this season, I think that, barring injury, McFadden gets the majority of any RBBC looks. He's their best weapon, and while other teams can grind out long drives regularly, scoring as quickly as possible seems like a good plan for the Raiders, and DMC gives them the best chance of that.Let's see if McFadden's turf toe starts acting up.
Great post, thanks for the insight. As far as your statement above, I agree 100%. The problem, however, is that McFadden is injured. Maybe not a cart-off-the-field injury, but any injury that has a running back adjusting his running style raises a red flag for me.McFadden is the most talented back and gives the Raiders the best chance to win. With the caveat that this is pure speculation on my part, with this news, I think the the carries might be a little more evenly distributed for a game or two between Bush and McFadden as the team ensures that they don't exacerbate the problem and see how McFadden handles the injury in game situations. The running game is the only thing the Raiders have offensively, and I don't think they jeopardize their primary threat unduly by running him into the ground.Long term, at least this season, I think that, barring injury, McFadden gets the majority of any RBBC looks. He's their best weapon, and while other teams can grind out long drives regularly, scoring as quickly as possible seems like a good plan for the Raiders, and DMC gives them the best chance of that.
Great post, thanks for the insight. As far as your statement above, I agree 100%. The problem, however, is that McFadden is injured. Maybe not a cart-off-the-field injury, but any injury that has a running back adjusting his running style raises a red flag for me.McFadden is the most talented back and gives the Raiders the best chance to win. With the caveat that this is pure speculation on my part, with this news, I think the the carries might be a little more evenly distributed for a game or two between Bush and McFadden as the team ensures that they don't exacerbate the problem and see how McFadden handles the injury in game situations. The running game is the only thing the Raiders have offensively, and I don't think they jeopardize their primary threat unduly by running him into the ground.Long term, at least this season, I think that, barring injury, McFadden gets the majority of any RBBC looks. He's their best weapon, and while other teams can grind out long drives regularly, scoring as quickly as possible seems like a good plan for the Raiders, and DMC gives them the best chance of that.
Again, speculation, but with absolutely zero news about Fargas, I have to think they may be getting some more opinions on the injury, which isn't a good thing. I think if McFadden can play through the injury, we'll see him carry the lion's share of the carries.
But over the next game or two, I have to think that Bush at best splits carries with McFadden until he stabilizes playing on the toe. Thus Bush's value remains fairly high through their bye week.
www.sacbee.comSeptember 18, 2008
On steel footing
ALAMEDA - Darren McFadden practiced today with a steel plate in shoe and looks on course to play Sunday in Buffalo.
But you could imagine, running with steel on the bottom of your foot isn't exactly comfortable.
He did about 70 percent of his usual work in practice.
"It made me feel like I was running flat-footed," McFadden said. "I feel like once I get used to practicing with that, playing with that, I'll be all right."
What kind of player did Kiffin think McFadden was?Quick hits from Lane Kiffin’s press briefing following Friday’s walkthrough as the team began boarding buses the airport for their trip to Buffalo:
– Rookie running back Darren McFadden did very little in practice and will need a pain-killing injection to face the Bills Sunday, Kiffin said.
McFadden will be watched closely during warmups, but Kiffin said it would possible Michael Bush could end up being the lead back, with McFadden coming in for a quicker, faster change-up.
The previous day, Kiffin noted that McFadden’s runs were coming in a “big play, little play,” mode rather than as conssitent yards against Kansas City and expressed concern about a possible fumble as his workload increased.
That indicates that for all the talk of curing McFadden’s fumbling problems at Arkansas, he still does not have the trust of the staff in that area.
Where'd he say he was surprised?What kind of player did Kiffin think McFadden was?Quick hits from Lane Kiffin’s press briefing following Friday’s walkthrough as the team began boarding buses the airport for their trip to Buffalo:
– Rookie running back Darren McFadden did very little in practice and will need a pain-killing injection to face the Bills Sunday, Kiffin said.
McFadden will be watched closely during warmups, but Kiffin said it would possible Michael Bush could end up being the lead back, with McFadden coming in for a quicker, faster change-up.
The previous day, Kiffin noted that McFadden’s runs were coming in a “big play, little play,” mode rather than as conssitent yards against Kansas City and expressed concern about a possible fumble as his workload increased.
That indicates that for all the talk of curing McFadden’s fumbling problems at Arkansas, he still does not have the trust of the staff in that area.
My bad, i'm not a raiders fan. I didn't know Kiffin is fond of stating the obvious.Where'd he say he was surprised?What kind of player did Kiffin think McFadden was?Quick hits from Lane Kiffin’s press briefing following Friday’s walkthrough as the team began boarding buses the airport for their trip to Buffalo:
– Rookie running back Darren McFadden did very little in practice and will need a pain-killing injection to face the Bills Sunday, Kiffin said.
McFadden will be watched closely during warmups, but Kiffin said it would possible Michael Bush could end up being the lead back, with McFadden coming in for a quicker, faster change-up.
The previous day, Kiffin noted that McFadden’s runs were coming in a “big play, little play,” mode rather than as conssitent yards against Kansas City and expressed concern about a possible fumble as his workload increased.
That indicates that for all the talk of curing McFadden’s fumbling problems at Arkansas, he still does not have the trust of the staff in that area.