Nucker101
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Considering how much $$$ he apparently made last year I'm guessing it is like a job and he does enjoy it.
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McGahee in Cleveland for Physical (1 Viewer)
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habsfan
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
can't hurt to pick him up, amirite?
oh, that's right - I dropped bryce brown for this ####### slug
oh, that's right - I dropped bryce brown for this ####### slug
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
looks like it was the right call
moleculo
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
I guess I'm looking at this situaiton using the "stupid math" formula.
Do i think Willis is as good as TRICh at this point in their careers? No.
How well was TRICH performing in that system with those teammates and coaching? Not so good.
Are there any other factors? Yes. Age and recent injury history and the fact that the Browns are tossing in the towel and play in a tough division.
Conclusion: Willis is a player a desperate owner with no other options goes for at this point. He can't be a serviceable every week back in a lineup at this point.
Counter-point: What IF Wills IS a serviceable every week RB?
Response: Then A LOT of people have sorely overestimated TRICH.
Do i think Willis is as good as TRICh at this point in their careers? No.
How well was TRICH performing in that system with those teammates and coaching? Not so good.
Are there any other factors? Yes. Age and recent injury history and the fact that the Browns are tossing in the towel and play in a tough division.
Conclusion: Willis is a player a desperate owner with no other options goes for at this point. He can't be a serviceable every week back in a lineup at this point.
Counter-point: What IF Wills IS a serviceable every week RB?
Response: Then A LOT of people have sorely overestimated TRICH.
LittlePhatty
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Maybe, maybe not. What if McGahee puts up the same or better stats in CLE, but TRich also thrives in IND? There are a lot of factors here - his fit in the system, the play calling, the mentalality of being on a better team, surrounded by better players. And maybe he just doesn't like wearing orange.
SaintsInDome2006
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People always do need starting RBs. The best value for McGahee is right now; if you get him trade him for something before his first 11/30/0 outing.
Shutout
Footballguy
That's kind of what I'm saying in a round about way. We keep hearing about fit in the system, etc but if a 32 year old rb can come in and equal what he did, don't you have to say "huh"? because if TRICH truly is anywhere nearly as talented as he has been advertised, then there is something else to this. Generally, above average talented players (and TRICH has generally been advertised as much more than that even) don't really have "fit in the system" issues.
I mean, if you are that size, can catch, can block, have that combo of power and speed; basically are a three down player that can do it all, there really shouldn't be a system you can't fit into.
yoadrian
Footballguy
Here's my stupid math formula:
What if TRich isn't really a "great" back?
What if the system he has been playing in doesn't cater to Richardson's strengths?
What if the Owner/GM/Coaches have been in complete rebuild mode since the beginning of the season?
What if they get a back they are familiar with and can play to those strengths?
Conclusion: They run Willis into the ground and us owners get a viable flex/bye option week to week mid season for virtually no cost (at least in terms of draft picks)
Counter-point: Willis sucks.
Response: Worth a shot!
Shutout
Footballguy
I agree that this could happen. I don't want to pick nits about that but, honestly, in a realistic sense, if we ask ourselves the question:
When you look at the player that TRICH is reported to be, what kind of system being run in the NFL right now could possibly not fit him? I mean, if you are RB that has been said can "do it all", then what is he being asked to do that he can't and how is Willis differentiated enough for him to have a quality that TRICH does not?
I can really only find one answer to that. Physically, I can't see a scenario where Willis becomes more viable in the exact same system. So, I have to say if it exists, it is an intangible; desire, work ethic, heart, passion, etc. I CAN see that being the case. I have never questioned Willis' motivation and desire for playing football on a professional level.
yoadrian
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Me personally, I agree with you that Richardson "should" be able to fit most any system. But for whatever reason, and the recent statements by the Browns back this up, this is not the case from their perspective. I'm not a Browns homer, but if I was I'd be piiiissssed!
Shutout
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pghrob
Hail to the Chief
The Browns are going with Brian Hoyer at QB. When their starter is not hur, it is Brandon Weedon. Their best wr is a 22 year old immature blue chipper. There #2 WR is a cast-off. They just signed a 31-32 year old vet off the street who had season ending knee surgery last year.
All seems like reason to stay away. And I am desperate at RB with only Darren McFadden, Woodhead, Ivory, Dunbar, and Ellington.
All seems like reason to stay away. And I am desperate at RB with only Darren McFadden, Woodhead, Ivory, Dunbar, and Ellington.
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Coeur de Lion
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All this "not a good fit" stuff is pure nonsense. They're not going to come out and say "he just isn't as good as everyone thought he was." The system comments are the guys in Cleveland taking the high road in public.
ETA: It's at least even money that McGahee comes in and is a more effective RB than Richardson was in Cleveland. Willis can still play.
ETA: It's at least even money that McGahee comes in and is a more effective RB than Richardson was in Cleveland. Willis can still play.
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The Raiders are going with Matt Flynn at QB. After he shows the world he sucks, they get desperate with a 3rd round supplemental pick who's never started a game named Pryor. Their whole WR corps is castoffs and no-names and their O-line just lost their starting left tackle. Their starting RB gets injured every year and averaged a whopping 3.3 ypc last year.
All seem like reasons to stay away.
And yet Darren McFadden is currently 5th in the league in rushing and those who drafted him at RB3 are sitting pretty good right now.
The point is not to compare McFadden to McGahee but more to make the point that when a guy has a clear track record of talent, and then gets an opportunity to perform, you just never know.
We Tigers
Footballguy
The other thing is that I'm not really of the belief that Richardson was going to average 3.5 ypc the rest of the year. Yeah, he had low numbers last year, but we know he was big time banged up. Cleveland's played about as well as a box of hair the past two weeks, but l fully expected Richardson to grind out 4+ ypc for the season. I don't think McGahee is a great option, but I do think he's worth having on your roster over guys like Snelling or Starks.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
he led the league in fumbles lost when he was hurt last year and suffered a pretty serious injury. and he's the 2nd oldest RB in the leagu, iirc. It's possible he'll be as pedestrian as T Rich was, but there is chance Willis McGahee's name>Willis McGahee's game.
Big Score
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We Tigers
Footballguy
I meant Tony Stark! Yeah...Dang dude why you got to go and rain on my parade and stuff?
fatness
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