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[mozzy84]

Willis McGahee-RB- Bills Mar. 8 - 9:22 am et

The Ravens are reportedly expected to "put all their efforts into reaching a contract extension" with Willis McGahee on Thursday.

The McGahee-to-Ravens swap could happen as soon as a new contract, considered the No. 1 obstacle in trade talks, is finalized. Then Baltimore would likely send its third-round pick (pick No. 92) to Buffalo for McGahee.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...nfl&id=2265

another link http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/footbal...story?track=rss

It's expected that the Ravens will put all their efforts into reaching a contract extension with McGahee today, which is considered the biggest hurdle to completing the trade.

Lewis' signing, however, hurts the Ravens because they have lost leverage in trade talks with the Bills. Now, without Lewis as an alternative for the Ravens, the Bills could press the team for a second-round pick instead of a third.

Before the Lewis development, Buffalo seemed eager to unload McGahee. The Bills are scheduled to meet today with Corey Dillon, the third free-agent running back to visit Buffalo this week.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

hurry up

 

[T Man]

Willis McGahee-RB- Bills Mar. 8 - 9:22 am et

The Ravens are reportedly expected to "put all their efforts into reaching a contract extension" with Willis McGahee on Thursday.

The McGahee-to-Ravens swap could happen as soon as a new contract, considered the No. 1 obstacle in trade talks, is finalized. Then Baltimore would likely send its third-round pick (pick No. 92) to Buffalo for McGahee.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...nfl&id=2265

another link http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/footbal...story?track=rss

It's expected that the Ravens will put all their efforts into reaching a contract extension with McGahee today, which is considered the biggest hurdle to completing the trade.

Lewis' signing, however, hurts the Ravens because they have lost leverage in trade talks with the Bills. Now, without Lewis as an alternative for the Ravens, the Bills could press the team for a second-round pick instead of a third.

Before the Lewis development, Buffalo seemed eager to unload McGahee. The Bills are scheduled to meet today with Corey Dillon, the third free-agent running back to visit Buffalo this week.

Interesting. Earlier reports had the Ravens parting with a 2nd and 5th rounder.

 

[The Shizzle]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

 

[Kit Fisto]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

 

[BeTheMatch]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

 

[Kit Fisto]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

Happens all the time, actually.

 

[massraider]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

Happens all the time, actually.

You don't think McGahee for the #92 is a good deal?

 

[The Duff Man]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

Happens all the time, actually.

You don't think McGahee for the #92 is a good deal?

McGahee is an average NFL RB. #92 seems about right.

 

[Kit Fisto]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

Happens all the time, actually.

You don't think McGahee for the #92 is a good deal?

No, I think it's a good deal, just not a "steal". McGahee is what he is.

 

[Snotbubbles]

No, I think it's a good deal, just not a "steal". McGahee is what he is.

It also depends on what kind of money they give McGahee. Personally I agree with Kit. McGahee may be an upgrade over Jamal Lewis, but he's nothing more than average to slightly above average in terms of RBs in the NFL.

 

[Warhogs]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

Happens all the time, actually.

#92 pick historically.2006 DE Jason Hatcher2005 DT Vincent Burns2004 CB Rich Gardner2003 CB Julian Battle2002 FS Marques Anderson2001 C Casey Rabach2000 ILB TJ SlaughterI don't see it happening all the time?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I personally think it's a good deal for the Ravens.

Not a steal, but McGahee should more running room

in Baltimore than he did with the Bolls.

His stock should rise modestly.

 

[Banger]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

Happens all the time, actually.

You don't think McGahee for the #92 is a good deal?

McGahee is an average NFL RB. #92 seems about right.

McGahee has been an average RB on a below average team. He'd be a good back on an average team and a very good back on a good team.

 

[Snotbubbles]

#92 pick historically.2006 DE Jason Hatcher2005 DT Vincent Burns2004 CB Rich Gardner2003 CB Julian Battle2002 FS Marques Anderson2001 C Casey Rabach2000 ILB TJ Slaughter

I don't think he was referring to that particular pick, but to 92 and later picks.

 

[Titus Pullo]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

Happens all the time, actually.

#92 pick historically.2006 DE Jason Hatcher2005 DT Vincent Burns2004 CB Rich Gardner2003 CB Julian Battle2002 FS Marques Anderson2001 C Casey Rabach2000 ILB TJ SlaughterI don't see it happening all the time?

Maybe not at exactly pick #92, but there have been some very good backs taken around that spot or later in the past. It's still no guarantee though.

 

[Warhogs]

My point was that your odds of getting a star player at that point is not likely even though it could happen. The pick is not the main investment . The main investment is the money in the contract. The price to obtain his rights is cheap.

 

[Banger]

#92 pick historically.2006 DE Jason Hatcher2005 DT Vincent Burns2004 CB Rich Gardner2003 CB Julian Battle2002 FS Marques Anderson2001 C Casey Rabach2000 ILB TJ Slaughter

I don't think he was referring to that particular pick, but to 92 and later picks.

Yes some RB's (among other positions) are found later in the draft but there are FAR more misses than hits.

 

[jurb26]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

Happens all the time, actually.

Yet NE got great value in trading away a 2nd and 7th for Welker.... an average WR.

 

[Colin Dowling]

My point was that your odds of getting a star player at that point is not likely even though it could happen. The pick is not the main investment . The main investment is the money in the contract. The price to obtain his rights is cheap.

I didn't realize McGahee was a "Star player" either. Good RB, absolutely. Franchise level Running back? Sadly, no.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

McGahee has been an average RB on a below average team. He'd be a good back on an average team and a very good back on a good team.

 

[Warhogs]

My point was that your odds of getting a star player at that point is not likely even though it could happen. The pick is not the main investment . The main investment is the money in the contract. The price to obtain his rights is cheap.

I didn't realize McGahee was a "Star player" either. Good RB, absolutely. Franchise level Running back? Sadly, no.

I was not calling McGahee a star player. I was using the term star player in reference to the original post that said star players are drafted all the time at that spot.Edit: my bad. The term was not star. they were calling them elite players.

 

[Rabbid Patriot Homer]

I think McGahee is being very underrated in conversations in this thread. He may not be an elite RB, but I think he's a lot better than an "average" RB. We'll see, I guess, but I think he's a very good RB and this an upgrade in situation for him (although not a huge one). Watching Jamal Lewis and McGahee run this past seaoson, I think it's a significant upgrade and this trade IS a "steal".

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Yet NE got great value in trading away a 2nd and 7th for Welker.... an average WR.

I agree that NE slightly overpaid.The 7th is a throwaway, it's one of the last picks in the draft.But to look at Welker as merely an "average WR"is short-sighted imo.He had decent numbers considering who he had throwing the ball last year.He actually had BETTER numbers than Chambers !!67 for 687 Welker59 for 677 ChambersWelker is also a ST beast.Maroney won't be handling kickoffs or punts anymore,and Welker is a great replacement.I think he will turn some heads in 2007.Patriots fans will soon forget about the 2nd round pick they had to part with.imo.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Honestly, I think McGahee in Baltimore could be a great fit. He has been average for most of his time in Buffalo, but he does have the talent to be an above average to very good RB.

I view McGahee as a Randy Moss type that isn't much of a leader. He needs someone to push him to get the most out of him, and in Buffalo he probably didn't get that from anyone. If McNair and Ray can't get that out of him I don't know who could.

 

[jurb26]

Yet NE got great value in trading away a 2nd and 7th for Welker.... an average WR.

I agree that NE slightly overpaid.The 7th is a throwaway, it's one of the last picks in the draft.But to look at Welker as merely an "average WR"is short-sighted imo.He had decent numbers considering who he had throwing the ball last year.He actually had BETTER numbers than Chambers !!67 for 687 Welker59 for 677 ChambersWelker is also a ST beast.Maroney won't be handling kickoffs or punts anymore,and Welker is a great replacement.I think he will turn some heads in 2007.Patriots fans will soon forget about the 2nd round pick they had to part with.imo.

McGahee's numbers have been far more impressive in Buf than Welker's have ever been in Mia and I would say both are/were playing with dung. Also, saying Welker's numbers were better than Chambers is a stretch if you ask me. Chambers did score times the TDs that Welker did. My opinion of the 2 is that McGahee is a good player who was in an extremely poor situation in Buf. Welker is an average palyer who was in a poor sitaution in Mia.

 

[Rabbid Patriot Homer]

Yet NE got great value in trading away a 2nd and 7th for Welker.... an average WR.

Link to someone saying it was "great value"? I think the most optimism you'll find from Patriot Nation is that it was a sensible deal that filled a need with a quality, versatile, hard-nosed player. If you want to use trades for RB's to make the Welker deal look ridiculous, forget this deal as it will not come close to the epic rip-off that was the Thomas Jones deal.Let's wait to see the mega-deal that McGahee signs too.

 

[Garts]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

Happens all the time, actually.

You don't think McGahee for the #92 is a good deal?

McGahee is an average NFL RB. #92 seems about right.

McGahee looked beter then average in 2004....13 tds in 12 games...maybe it's Buffalo's offence around him is what sucks..

 

[The Shizzle]

How many 1000 yard rushers were drafted after pick #92 in the past 3 years?

 

[Garts]

How many 1000 yard rushers were drafted after pick #92 in the past 3 years?

Mike Bell was undrafted and came close last year...off the top of my head.....

 

[North]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Better then what they've got?? Yes!!!!!! I will take an upgrade anyday of the week. Right now the Ravens running game is "down to the felt". They need someone to shoulder the load. Mike Anderson is a good 3rd down and change of pace back around the goal line but he is NOT going to get it done on a regular basis.

 

[Garts]

McGahee may be a great investment...besides the knee injury...he has very few carries on his body....under a 1000.

 

[jurb26]

Yet NE got great value in trading away a 2nd and 7th for Welker.... an average WR.

Link to someone saying it was "great value"? I think the most optimism you'll find from Patriot Nation is that it was a sensible deal that filled a need with a quality, versatile, hard-nosed player. If you want to use trades for RB's to make the Welker deal look ridiculous, forget this deal as it will not come close to the epic rip-off that was the Thomas Jones deal.Let's wait to see the mega-deal that McGahee signs too.

What is ridicuous is Kit saying that giving up a 3rd for an "avergae player" when it is Clev is nothing of note, yet NE gave up a 2nd and a 7th for an average player and it was nothing but peachy.

 

[cstu]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

The RB they could get there will be a hell of a lot cheaper.

 

[jurb26]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

The RB they could get there will be a hell of a lot cheaper.

I guess we should just coin the phrase now: "Cheap players win chanpionships." There is a very good reason as to why McGahee will not be as cheap as a 3rd round pick RB. THe probablity is extremely high that he is a lot better than that 3rd round pick RB.

 

[Warhogs]

The whole thing with this potential trade is that you are not trading away much with that pick. I am guessing here but I would guess your chancing of hitting on a great players is less than 5% and probably closer to 2%. The real investment is in the $$$ tied up in the extension you would sign him to in a trade. The pick is really small change.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Yet NE got great value in trading away a 2nd and 7th for Welker.... an average WR.

I agree that NE slightly overpaid.The 7th is a throwaway, it's one of the last picks in the draft.But to look at Welker as merely an "average WR"is short-sighted imo.He had decent numbers considering who he had throwing the ball last year.He actually had BETTER numbers than Chambers !!67 for 687 Welker59 for 677 ChambersWelker is also a ST beast.Maroney won't be handling kickoffs or punts anymore,and Welker is a great replacement.I think he will turn some heads in 2007.Patriots fans will soon forget about the 2nd round pick they had to part with.imo.

McGahee's numbers have been far more impressive in Buf than Welker's have ever been in Mia and I would say both are/were playing with dung. Also, saying Welker's numbers were better than Chambers is a stretch if you ask me. Chambers did score times the TDs that Welker did. My opinion of the 2 is that McGahee is a good player who was in an extremely poor situation in Buf. Welker is an average palyer who was in a poor sitaution in Mia.

Welker is a slot receiver, not a TD guy.Chambers is the TD guy.The below average WR numbers is an indictment of the miserable QB's in Miami last year.

 

[jurb26]

The below average WR numbers is an indictment of the miserable QB's in Miami last year.

I'd agree, but I'd also say that the high number of rec for Welker was a lack of confidence in any of the Mia QBs to actually throw down field as well. Don't get me wrong, this won't matter at all now that he is in NE, who likes using WRs in that same fashion. Either way, McGahee played behind 1 of the worse 3 Olines in the NFL in Buf. The QB situation in light of that seems to be a puch if you ask me. Moreover, McGahee still manged:

-----------------+-------------------------+				 |		  Rushing		 |		Receiving		|+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards	Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 buf |  16 |   284   1128	4.0   13 |	22	169   7.7	0 || 2005 buf |  16 |   325   1247	3.8	5 |	28	178   6.4	0 || 2006 buf |  14 |   259	990	3.8	6 |	18	156   8.7	0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

I'd say that is more impressive than what Welker did.

 

[Banger]

How many 1000 yard rushers were drafted after pick #92 in the past 3 years?

The flipside of that is how many RB's drafted after the #92 were not 1,000 rushers. For every 1 that was there will be 20 that were not.

 

[massraider]

The Ravens aren't looking to save every dollar they can, as they build toward the future.

They are in "win now" mode. McGahee is an upgrade over Jamal, and yeah, he'll probably want more than his performance would indicate. Doesn't mean he'll get it.

But the Ravens can't wait, and hope they strike gold with some mid round RB.

 

[The Shizzle]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

The RB they could get there will be a hell of a lot cheaper.

Absolutely unproven. What pick was JJ Arrington? Wasn't he a top 5? Why takle a risk when you have a proven player?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

The below average WR numbers is an indictment of the miserable QB's in Miami last year.

I'd agree, but I'd also say that the high number of rec for Welker was a lack of confidence in any of the Mia QBs to actually throw down field as well. Don't get me wrong, this won't matter at all now that he is in NE, who likes using WRs in that same fashion. Either way, McGahee played behind 1 of the worse 3 Olines in the NFL in Buf. The QB situation in light of that seems to be a puch if you ask me. Moreover, McGahee still manged:

-----------------+-------------------------+				 |		  Rushing		 |		Receiving		|+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards	Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 buf |  16 |   284   1128	4.0   13 |	22	169   7.7	0 || 2005 buf |  16 |   325   1247	3.8	5 |	28	178   6.4	0 || 2006 buf |  14 |   259	990	3.8	6 |	18	156   8.7	0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

I'd say that is more impressive than what Welker did.

I don't disagree with you.I also think McGahee is worth more than Welker.But comparing apples and oranges doesn't work for fillingneeds on the Patriots team. My main point is referring to Welker as just"an average WR" when he also a huge asset to ST.He can take take the pressure off of Maroney on ST,and should be a great replacement for Troy Brown.I think he will be a great asset to the Patriots offense.

 

[aposulli]

DONE DEAL

 

[jurb26]

Seems like a fair deal. What of the contract? That is the real question.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

The below average WR numbers is an indictment of the miserable QB's in Miami last year.

I'd agree, but I'd also say that the high number of rec for Welker was a lack of confidence in any of the Mia QBs to actually throw down field as well. Don't get me wrong, this won't matter at all now that he is in NE, who likes using WRs in that same fashion. Either way, McGahee played behind 1 of the worse 3 Olines in the NFL in Buf. The QB situation in light of that seems to be a puch if you ask me. Moreover, McGahee still manged:

-----------------+-------------------------+				 |		  Rushing		 |		Receiving		|+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards	Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2004 buf |  16 |   284   1128	4.0   13 |	22	169   7.7	0 || 2005 buf |  16 |   325   1247	3.8	5 |	28	178   6.4	0 || 2006 buf |  14 |   259	990	3.8	6 |	18	156   8.7	0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

I'd say that is more impressive than what Welker did.

At least his yards per carry has been below 4 the last two years. He should be able to pick up right where Jamal left off.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

DONE DEAL

two thirds and a seventh? ETA: Better be a friendly contract.

 

[cstu]

How many 1000 yard rushers were drafted after pick #92 in the past 3 years?

RB's drafted after 92:Willie ParkerD. DavisRudiWestbrook (pick 91)Barber (not 1000, but a good fantasy season)Chris BrownMike Bell (not 1000, but 8 TD's)

 

[cstu]

#92 for McGahee seems like a steal. Go Ravens!!

It's not. You'll soon find McGahee to be quite mediocre.Good player, yes. Elite, not a chance.

Yeah, and I'm sure there will be tons of elite players available at the No. 92 pick.

The RB they could get there will be a hell of a lot cheaper.

I guess we should just coin the phrase now: "Cheap players win chanpionships." There is a very good reason as to why McGahee will not be as cheap as a 3rd round pick RB. THe probablity is extremely high that he is a lot better than that 3rd round pick RB.

Which of the SB winners this decade have traded for high-priced players? I'm not saying that it might not work out for the Ravens but I just don't see McGahee as the impact player who will do that for them. I do agree that it's an upgrade over Jamal though.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Yet NE got great value in trading away a 2nd and 7th for Welker.... an average WR.

Link to someone saying it was "great value"? I think the most optimism you'll find from Patriot Nation is that it was a sensible deal that filled a need with a quality, versatile, hard-nosed player. If you want to use trades for RB's to make the Welker deal look ridiculous, forget this deal as it will not come close to the epic rip-off that was the Thomas Jones deal.Let's wait to see the mega-deal that McGahee signs too.

What is ridicuous is Kit saying that giving up a 3rd for an "avergae player" when it is Clev is nothing of note, yet NE gave up a 2nd and a 7th for an average player and it was nothing but peachy.

In post #10, I said it was a good deal. Just not a STEAL.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Yet NE got great value in trading away a 2nd and 7th for Welker.... an average WR.

Link to someone saying it was "great value"? I think the most optimism you'll find from Patriot Nation is that it was a sensible deal that filled a need with a quality, versatile, hard-nosed player.