McGahee - two touches? (1 Viewer)

[bumpman]

It shocks me that McGahee played so little in this game. I know Rice had a good game, but his big play was late in the game. Up until that point, he was pretty average. Why didn't McGahee get in more?

 

[bcat01]

Not a lot of possesions for the Ravens. He was in on one series and got stuffed and they were never at the goal line.

 

[p00h]

like sig bloom said, get mclain now before its too late!!!

 

[duaneok66]

talk about the fickle nature of FF . . . he guy is rated #4 (in my league) and he barely sees the field . . .

 

[Widbil83]

I was. I've been riding him hard and figured this would happen at some point. Thank god for having Winslow explode today.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Rice was just doing more with the touches today and has been in large part all year. They didn't spend much time in the red zone, and when that happens McGahee is really limited. There's a reason he isn't starting this year.

 

[Jimmy James]

At least he picked a disaster of a week to do this. I was going to lose even with a couple of TDs from him due to bye week issues.

 

[ImTheScientist]

First week I didn't play him. Had it not been for a TD last week it would have been a goose egg last week.

 

[kdt]

i hope these touches stay hte same

 

[caglassc]

It shocks me that McGahee played so little in this game. I know Rice had a good game, but his big play was late in the game. Up until that point, he was pretty average. Why didn't McGahee get in more?

I think this is the difficult part of FF now in regards to to the RB position - very, very few "sure" players at the position. Touches and targets matter but the consistency is what is hard to predict.

 

[ft_ball_fan]

Ok I expect a bigger split to Rice.. but they were using McClain more than Willis... that shocks the heck out of me. I figured BAL would run all day... instead it seems they hardly ran at all.. and when they did they didn't use Willis. I know he's been primarily redzone.. but not EXCLUSIVELY redzone... he does touch the ball btwn the 20's to (or at least he HAD prior to this game). And isn't not like he looked bad in previous games... he's looked sharp.

I don't get the air it out gameplan vs CIN... and Flacco wasn't exactly having a good day either...

 

[wilked]

like sig bloom said, get mclain now before its too late!!!

 

[kdt]

Ok I expect a bigger split to Rice.. but they were using McClain more than Willis... that shocks the heck out of me. I figured BAL would run all day... instead it seems they hardly ran at all.. and when they did they didn't use Willis. I know he's been primarily redzone.. but not EXCLUSIVELY redzone... he does touch the ball btwn the 20's to (or at least he HAD prior to this game). And isn't not like he looked bad in previous games... he's looked sharp.I don't get the air it out gameplan vs CIN... and Flacco wasn't exactly having a good day either...

cameron doesnt find running important so unless something drastic changes (they keep losing because he keeps passing) it wont change

 

[meatwad1]

After today's game...Rice is the one that is going to be RB #4 in ppr. Nothing but consistancy. LOL at the people who have questioned his value from where he was drafted. I think I got him in the 5th round this year...

 

[Magnum]

It shocks me that McGahee played so little in this game. I know Rice had a good game, but his big play was late in the game. Up until that point, he was pretty average. Why didn't McGahee get in more?

and does Rice stepping up and getting it done when the pressure was on somehow make his big TD play less important/valuable?

 

[Jimmy James]

It shocks me that McGahee played so little in this game. I know Rice had a good game, but his big play was late in the game. Up until that point, he was pretty average. Why didn't McGahee get in more?

and does Rice stepping up and getting it done when the pressure was on somehow make his big TD play less important/valuable?

I think the point is that it can't be the justification for what happened before it.

 

[mcnabbmcnow]

I started McGahee over Rice, and it probably will cost me the win. I will not start McGahee the rest of the year as he simply lays too many eggs. Rice at least consistently gets you points, even if it is just 10 or 11.

 

[thatguythere]

I started McGahee over Rice, and it probably will cost me the win. I will not start McGahee the rest of the year as he simply lays too many eggs. Rice at least consistently gets you points, even if it is just 10 or 11.

eggs? Really? The guy scored in every other game he has played in this year. TD's don't matter anymore?

 

[SSOG]

I'm more surprised that it took until week 5 for McGahee to have a game like this.

 

[GECKO]

I'm more surprised that it took until week 5 for McGahee to have a game like this.

Agreed.There are 2 camps out on McGahee. One game does not make a season but I do expect this trend to continue with McGahee.my .02

 

[ImTheScientist]

LOL at the people who have questioned his value from where he was drafted. I think I got him in the 5th round this year...

You must play with scrubs.

 

[MarshallRob]

LOL at the people who have questioned his value from where he was drafted. I think I got him in the 5th round this year...

You must play with scrubs.

His preseason consensus ADP was 6.8.

 

[jobarules]

Time to sell high is long gone

 

[ft_ball_fan]

Ok I expect a bigger split to Rice.. but they were using McClain more than Willis... that shocks the heck out of me. I figured BAL would run all day... instead it seems they hardly ran at all.. and when they did they didn't use Willis. I know he's been primarily redzone.. but not EXCLUSIVELY redzone... he does touch the ball btwn the 20's to (or at least he HAD prior to this game). And isn't not like he looked bad in previous games... he's looked sharp.I don't get the air it out gameplan vs CIN... and Flacco wasn't exactly having a good day either...

cameron doesnt find running important so unless something drastic changes (they keep losing because he keeps passing) it wont change

But didn't Cameron make Ronnie Brown a stud? And LT before that? While they did catch the ball.. they also ran it... Even looking at Rice's stats.. it appears they should have been running the ball more... Rice had a nice day running... Flacco appears to have struggled passing... go with what's working--that looks like the run. I can't say it cost them the game.. but--in the past when they ran 30+ times they won. Today they passed 30+ and ran 20 and lost. Game wasn't 'out of hand' where they needed to throw to catch up...

 

[Pnishthm]

I bet Sweetness was surprised. At least we won't have to listen to him spew how Ray Rice is the biggest bust in FF and how smart he was to get McGahee so many rounds later for a while.

 

[ImTheScientist]

LOL at the people who have questioned his value from where he was drafted. I think I got him in the 5th round this year...

You must play with scrubs.

His preseason consensus ADP was 6.8.

Im not surprised you are confused. In 12 team drafts in the NFFC he was gone before the 5th round with out a doubt. Typical range he went in was late 3rd to early 4th. Referencing a link that shows ESPN, Mocks, and Mags is not good practice.

 

[LordHusker]

LOL at the people who have questioned his value from where he was drafted. I think I got him in the 5th round this year...

You must play with scrubs.

His preseason consensus ADP was 6.8.

Im not surprised you are confused. In 12 team drafts in the NFFC he was gone before the 5th round with out a doubt. Typical range he went in was late 3rd to early 4th. Referencing a link that shows ESPN, Mocks, and Mags is not good practice.

Act pompous much? Grow up.

 

[carolina_21]

LOL at the people who have questioned his value from where he was drafted. I think I got him in the 5th round this year...

You must play with scrubs.

His preseason consensus ADP was 6.8.

Im not surprised you are confused. In 12 team drafts in the NFFC he was gone before the 5th round with out a doubt. Typical range he went in was late 3rd to early 4th. Referencing a link that shows ESPN, Mocks, and Mags is not good practice.

Act pompous much? Grow up.

No kidding. What a pompous rump.

 

[billjohnson]

Time to jump on the Ray Ray bandwagon.....

 

[bumpman]

Here is follow up press on this. Like I said above, I don't buy the "hot hand" excuse at all. I watched the entire game and Rice was only doing okay. Many of his receptions were dump offs on third and long where the defense was playing way off.

In any event, it sure seems like the Ravens are phasing McGahee out. I wonder if something happened behind the scenes?

McGahee has few touches in 2nd loss

By Edward Lee

edward.lee@baltsun.com

6:35 PM EDT, October 11, 2009

Willis McGahee hardly broke a sweat primarily because he wasn't asked to do so.

The NFL leader in touchdowns with seven, the running back was used sparingly in the Ravens' shocking 17-14 loss to the visiting Cincinnati Bengals at M&T Bank Stadium Sunday.

McGahee carried the football just once for -2 yards and caught one pass for four yards. Asked if he was surprised about his lack of activity, McGahee replied diplomatically, "I'm content with what's going on. I've got nothing to complain about."

But when pressed on the issue, McGahee acknowledged being a little confused about his role with the offense.

"I don't know what's going on," he said. "I was only in there for a little bit. You would think it would have been better than that, but it is what it is."

McGahee was quick to point out that Ray Rice's performance might have factored in the coaches' decisions. Against Cincinnati, Rice rushed for 69 yards on 14 carries and caught seven passes for a career-high 74 yards, including a 48-yard touchdown.

"He had the hot hand, so there really was no need to take him out," McGahee said. "He was doing a good job."

Still, the Ravens won their first three games of the season by mixing McGahee and Rice. In the team's victories, McGahee touched the ball 38 times for a combined 231 all-purpose yards and six touchdowns. In the Ravens' last two games -- both losses -- McGahee has gotten eight touches for 26 yards and one score.

McGahee said he didn't have an answer for the decrease in playing time. "You'll have to talk to [offensive coordinator] Cam [Cameron] on that," he said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/...987,print.story

 

[gheemony]

I'm more surprised that it took until week 5 for McGahee to have a game like this.

Exactly. I was so TIRED of the guy in my league who took McGahee as his #2 RB and had been gloating for 4 weeks like he was brilliant. The 7 TDs were a fluke given the limited touches in which he produced them. So glad I got to play him THIS week. Now I just need to hold on for the win to make it really sweet.

 

[Manster]

I'm more surprised that it took until week 5 for McGahee to have a game like this.

Agreed.There are 2 camps out on McGahee. One game does not make a season but I do expect this trend to continue with McGahee.my .02

Rice is their best back. thats why i drafted him. McGahee/McClain have value this season, but Rice is the guy to have imo.

 

[NatronIsMean]

After today's game...Rice is the one that is going to be RB #4 in ppr. Nothing but consistancy. LOL at the people who have questioned his value from where he was drafted. I think I got him in the 5th round this year...

The lesson - which many should have seen coming - was that McGahee was on an unsustainable pace of scoring TDs. You should have tried to sell McGahee to the Rice owner while you could. His value now plummets to what most of us expected it to be to start the season.Sorry to say it, but true. Aside from a Rice injury now, Rice is the only guy to start for the moment.

 

[JohnnyU]

After today's game...Rice is the one that is going to be RB #4 in ppr. Nothing but consistancy. LOL at the people who have questioned his value from where he was drafted. I think I got him in the 5th round this year...

The lesson - which many should have seen coming - was that McGahee was on an unsustainable pace of scoring TDs. You should have tried to sell McGahee to the Rice owner while you could. His value now plummets to what most of us expected it to be to start the season.Sorry to say it, but true. Aside from a Rice injury now, Rice is the only guy to start for the moment.

As a Rice owner myself I must warn you Rice pimpers that Harbaugh will most likely go with the hot hand from week to week. That could just as easily have been McGahee. Get used to the fact that as long as Willis McGahee is wearing a Ravens uniform any week could blow up in a Rice owner's face. The same guys feeling good about Rice this week will be complaining about McGahee in future weeks, sad to say.

 

[NatronIsMean]

After today's game...Rice is the one that is going to be RB #4 in ppr. Nothing but consistancy. LOL at the people who have questioned his value from where he was drafted. I think I got him in the 5th round this year...

The lesson - which many should have seen coming - was that McGahee was on an unsustainable pace of scoring TDs. You should have tried to sell McGahee to the Rice owner while you could. His value now plummets to what most of us expected it to be to start the season.Sorry to say it, but true. Aside from a Rice injury now, Rice is the only guy to start for the moment.

As a Rice owner myself I must warn you Rice pimpers that Harbaugh will most likely go with the hot hand from week to week. That could just as easily have been McGahee. Get used to the fact that as long as Willis McGahee is wearing a Ravens uniform any week could blow up in a Rice owner's face. The same guys feeling good about Rice this week will be complaining about McGahee in future weeks, sad to say.

While that is definitely wise guidance, Rice is simply steady in PPR. W1: 13W2: 10.7W3: 15.5W4: 17.7W5: 23.8With a floor of 10 points, Rice hasn't had a bad game yet this year. And those are steady points since you don't have to rely on TDs. I agree that McGahee or McClain could suddenly get 12 touches, but Rice will still get enough to cover his starting spot. He's consistency gold as a flex.

 

[thatguythere]

I'm more surprised that it took until week 5 for McGahee to have a game like this.

Exactly. I was so TIRED of the guy in my league who took McGahee as his #2 RB and had been gloating for 4 weeks like he was brilliant. The 7 TDs were a fluke given the limited touches in which he produced them. So glad I got to play him THIS week. Now I just need to hold on for the win to make it really sweet.

What exactly is fluky about scoring in the red zone? I'd say a 48 yard TD is more fluky they the ones McGahee has been getting. Baltimore had three plays inside the Bengals 20 yd line. Ray Rice for -1 yardsFlacco to Rice incomplete..... and a false start. I think this had a lot more to do with Mcgahee not getting touches than anything else.

 

[Todem]

Here is follow up press on this. Like I said above, I don't buy the "hot hand" excuse at all. I watched the entire game and Rice was only doing okay. Many of his receptions were dump offs on third and long where the defense was playing way off.

In any event, it sure seems like the Ravens are phasing McGahee out. I wonder if something happened behind the scenes?

McGahee has few touches in 2nd loss

By Edward Lee

edward.lee@baltsun.com

6:35 PM EDT, October 11, 2009

Willis McGahee hardly broke a sweat primarily because he wasn't asked to do so.

The NFL leader in touchdowns with seven, the running back was used sparingly in the Ravens' shocking 17-14 loss to the visiting Cincinnati Bengals at M&T Bank Stadium Sunday.

McGahee carried the football just once for -2 yards and caught one pass for four yards. Asked if he was surprised about his lack of activity, McGahee replied diplomatically, "I'm content with what's going on. I've got nothing to complain about."

But when pressed on the issue, McGahee acknowledged being a little confused about his role with the offense.

"I don't know what's going on," he said. "I was only in there for a little bit. You would think it would have been better than that, but it is what it is."

McGahee was quick to point out that Ray Rice's performance might have factored in the coaches' decisions. Against Cincinnati, Rice rushed for 69 yards on 14 carries and caught seven passes for a career-high 74 yards, including a 48-yard touchdown.

"He had the hot hand, so there really was no need to take him out," McGahee said. "He was doing a good job."



Still, the Ravens won their first three games of the season by mixing McGahee and Rice. In the team's victories, McGahee touched the ball 38 times for a combined 231 all-purpose yards and six touchdowns. In the Ravens' last two games -- both losses -- McGahee has gotten eight touches for 26 yards and one score.

McGahee said he didn't have an answer for the decrease in playing time. "You'll have to talk to [offensive coordinator] Cam [Cameron] on that," he said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/...987,print.story

All you haters are missing this important point about McGahee....he was a vital part of their 3 wins....and when he was not used...they lost both games.The coaches will evaluate that as well.

keep hating....meantime when McGahee has been getting touches...he has made the most of them....when you only get 2 touches...WTF do you expect?

Rice is a hell of a back...but when they are both being used....the team wins.

 

[ericttspikes]

All you haters are missing this important point about McGahee....he was a vital part of their 3 wins....and when he was not used...they lost both games.The coaches will evaluate that as well.keep hating....meantime when McGahee has been getting touches...he has made the most of them....when you only get 2 touches...WTF do you expect?Rice is a hell of a back...but when they are both being used....the team wins.

Good point. Cam Cameron is calling some weird games this year. Isn't he considered a run game guru? It seems they have fallen in love with Flacco's arm, and the past two games play calling has put the O in tough down and distance situations. TOP in the two losses wasn't good either. Maybe their line is having issues? 15-17 rushing attempts per game doesn't seem like Ravens football.

 

[FantasyTrader]

All you haters are missing this important point about McGahee....he was a vital part of their 3 wins....and when he was not used...they lost both games.The coaches will evaluate that as well.keep hating....meantime when McGahee has been getting touches...he has made the most of them....when you only get 2 touches...WTF do you expect?Rice is a hell of a back...but when they are both being used....the team wins.

Good point. Cam Cameron is calling some weird games this year. Isn't he considered a run game guru? It seems they have fallen in love with Flacco's arm, and the past two games play calling has put the O in tough down and distance situations. TOP in the two losses wasn't good either. Maybe their line is having issues? 15-17 rushing attempts per game doesn't seem like Ravens football.

It's been a very subtle shift, but I don't think the lack of McGahee's use rests on Rice. I think his touches are actually being absorbed by Flacco attempts. As a Rice owner, I wish it wasn't true, but you're being disingenuous if you can't see that the offense is simply more well-rounded when McGahee is involved.

 

[VaCatFan]

Here is follow up press on this. Like I said above, I don't buy the "hot hand" excuse at all. I watched the entire game and Rice was only doing okay. Many of his receptions were dump offs on third and long where the defense was playing way off.

In any event, it sure seems like the Ravens are phasing McGahee out. I wonder if something happened behind the scenes?

McGahee has few touches in 2nd loss

By Edward Lee

edward.lee@baltsun.com

6:35 PM EDT, October 11, 2009

Willis McGahee hardly broke a sweat primarily because he wasn't asked to do so.

The NFL leader in touchdowns with seven, the running back was used sparingly in the Ravens' shocking 17-14 loss to the visiting Cincinnati Bengals at M&T Bank Stadium Sunday.

McGahee carried the football just once for -2 yards and caught one pass for four yards. Asked if he was surprised about his lack of activity, McGahee replied diplomatically, "I'm content with what's going on. I've got nothing to complain about."

But when pressed on the issue, McGahee acknowledged being a little confused about his role with the offense.

"I don't know what's going on," he said. "I was only in there for a little bit. You would think it would have been better than that, but it is what it is."

McGahee was quick to point out that Ray Rice's performance might have factored in the coaches' decisions. Against Cincinnati, Rice rushed for 69 yards on 14 carries and caught seven passes for a career-high 74 yards, including a 48-yard touchdown.

"He had the hot hand, so there really was no need to take him out," McGahee said. "He was doing a good job."



Still, the Ravens won their first three games of the season by mixing McGahee and Rice. In the team's victories, McGahee touched the ball 38 times for a combined 231 all-purpose yards and six touchdowns. In the Ravens' last two games -- both losses -- McGahee has gotten eight touches for 26 yards and one score.

McGahee said he didn't have an answer for the decrease in playing time. "You'll have to talk to [offensive coordinator] Cam [Cameron] on that," he said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/...987,print.story

All you haters are missing this important point about McGahee....he was a vital part of their 3 wins....and when he was not used...they lost both games.The coaches will evaluate that as well.

keep hating....meantime when McGahee has been getting touches...he has made the most of them....when you only get 2 touches...WTF do you expect?

Rice is a hell of a back...but when they are both being used....the team wins.

I was about to post the same thing. Rice is a good player and will only get better with more experience. Looking at it from a football perspective and not just a fantasy football perspective, the Ravens are a better team when getting both players involved. I think Rice will continue with the 10-20 points per week and McGahee will have the big weeks with the goal line touches and some smaller weeks. As a Ravens fan along with the Panthers and Colts, I want to see the Ravens win, and right now, that means a mix of both players and McClain. This is not going to be an easy team to predict, so plan accordingly.

 

[mcnabbmcnow]

I started McGahee over Rice, and it probably will cost me the win. I will not start McGahee the rest of the year as he simply lays too many eggs. Rice at least consistently gets you points, even if it is just 10 or 11.

eggs? Really? The guy scored in every other game he has played in this year. TD's don't matter anymore?

McGahee had a juicy matchup last week and only managed 7 pts. Sorry, but even with the TD, that is not cutting it. Rice is more consistent. At least you know he will get 6 or 7 pts out of yardage alone, and he catches passes.

 

[Keith1]

Time to sell high is long gone

Two weeks ago, I traded Willis and Hester to a guy in my league for Larry Fitz and Kellen Winslow. I subsequently packaged Winslow and Garcon for Tony G. (and with my open roster spot I scooped up Donnie Avery off of waivers)

 

[NatronIsMean]

I agree that the combo of Rice and McGahee getting a larger number of touches overall is key to wins. In general, the more a team runs, the better they do.

McGahee still has value for sure. I think it's now finally clear that Rice is the better RB to have, but they're still very valuable and McGahee still an absolute steal in drafts.

 

[thehornet]

Here is follow up press on this. Like I said above, I don't buy the "hot hand" excuse at all. I watched the entire game and Rice was only doing okay. Many of his receptions were dump offs on third and long where the defense was playing way off.

In any event, it sure seems like the Ravens are phasing McGahee out. I wonder if something happened behind the scenes?

McGahee has few touches in 2nd loss

By Edward Lee

edward.lee@baltsun.com

6:35 PM EDT, October 11, 2009

Willis McGahee hardly broke a sweat primarily because he wasn't asked to do so.

The NFL leader in touchdowns with seven, the running back was used sparingly in the Ravens' shocking 17-14 loss to the visiting Cincinnati Bengals at M&T Bank Stadium Sunday.

McGahee carried the football just once for -2 yards and caught one pass for four yards. Asked if he was surprised about his lack of activity, McGahee replied diplomatically, "I'm content with what's going on. I've got nothing to complain about."

But when pressed on the issue, McGahee acknowledged being a little confused about his role with the offense.

"I don't know what's going on," he said. "I was only in there for a little bit. You would think it would have been better than that, but it is what it is."

McGahee was quick to point out that Ray Rice's performance might have factored in the coaches' decisions. Against Cincinnati, Rice rushed for 69 yards on 14 carries and caught seven passes for a career-high 74 yards, including a 48-yard touchdown.

"He had the hot hand, so there really was no need to take him out," McGahee said. "He was doing a good job."



Still, the Ravens won their first three games of the season by mixing McGahee and Rice. In the team's victories, McGahee touched the ball 38 times for a combined 231 all-purpose yards and six touchdowns. In the Ravens' last two games -- both losses -- McGahee has gotten eight touches for 26 yards and one score.

McGahee said he didn't have an answer for the decrease in playing time. "You'll have to talk to [offensive coordinator] Cam [Cameron] on that," he said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/...987,print.story

All you haters are missing this important point about McGahee....he was a vital part of their 3 wins....and when he was not used...they lost both games.The coaches will evaluate that as well.

keep hating....meantime when McGahee has been getting touches...he has made the most of them....when you only get 2 touches...WTF do you expect?

Rice is a hell of a back...but when they are both being used....the team wins.

They played CLE and KC 2 of those first 3 games. Two of the WORST teams in football. They also played SD, who is still figuring things out.Then iin their 2 losses, they played a tough NE team, who rarely loses and CIN team who was playing with all heart and on a serious mission. (played for coach who lost his wife this week).

While I see your point, the wins and losses based on who was getting the RB touches dont add up .

 

[jobarules]

lets not pretend mcgahee isnt talented. the team needs to give mcgahee more touches imo.

 

[thatguythere]

I started McGahee over Rice, and it probably will cost me the win. I will not start McGahee the rest of the year as he simply lays too many eggs. Rice at least consistently gets you points, even if it is just 10 or 11.

eggs? Really? The guy scored in every other game he has played in this year. TD's don't matter anymore?

McGahee had a juicy matchup last week and only managed 7 pts. Sorry, but even with the TD, that is not cutting it. Rice is more consistent. At least you know he will get 6 or 7 pts out of yardage alone, and he catches passes.

I'll take 7 all day in the TD heavy league I play in....you do realize not everyone plays with the same scoring system as you...?Through five weeks:McGahee 49 pointsRice 31 points

 

[Sweet Love]

After today's game...Rice is the one that is going to be RB #4 in ppr. Nothing but consistancy. LOL at the people who have questioned his value from where he was drafted. I think I got him in the 5th round this year...

The lesson - which many should have seen coming - was that McGahee was on an unsustainable pace of scoring TDs. You should have tried to sell McGahee to the Rice owner while you could. His value now plummets to what most of us expected it to be to start the season.Sorry to say it, but true. Aside from a Rice injury now, Rice is the only guy to start for the moment.

As a Rice owner myself I must warn you Rice pimpers that Harbaugh will most likely go with the hot hand from week to week. That could just as easily have been McGahee. Get used to the fact that as long as Willis McGahee is wearing a Ravens uniform any week could blow up in a Rice owner's face. The same guys feeling good about Rice this week will be complaining about McGahee in future weeks, sad to say.

Very good point and to take it a step further if Rice happens to get dinged up, he will most likely not be rushed back. It is not like if MJD got dinged where he would be back and getting significant carries the first time he said he was "OK". I almost liken it more to the Barber/Choice situation, where although there is a declared #1, if he is not at least 85%, he will quickly become the #2. In my Keep 3 league, I drafted was lucky to get Rice (to the chagrin of many other owners), but did not feel comfortable (and breathe a sigh of relief) until I came away with McGahee too.I find it interestting that there is so much disappointment for a guy most picked in the 10th or so round (same goes with the Sims-Walker thread, although that was a little different story). If you really need to DEPEND on these guys, you probably shouldn't be where you are in the first place. As my man Denny Green once said "They are who we thought they were"!