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turkishkamel
Footballguy
i think mcgahee is the most intriguing back in the nfl this year. a massive talent on a really horrible team.He broke down last year, but thats only because he didnt want to be drafted in the first round this year, to much pressure from fans.Now he is back and better than ever
RamMan
Footballguy
I've got him RB13 on my board right now but rising due to Portis, Westbrook, Edge concerns. I think #13 is his floor and he could he could very possibly end up a top 7 or so. He's one of the few RB's with nobody vultering carries. With Takeo Spikes back on defense and another year under Looserman's belt, the Bills might be in more games this year, which could also mean more carries for McGahee (although they've looked pretty anemic on offesne so far this pre-season). The problem is that he's probbaly too risky as an RB1 and he likely won't be available in round 3, so no one's going to be able steal him.
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
Their whole offense is atrocious, especially the line.
I really see another frustrating year for McGahee. He will produce on sheer volume of carries, but he will not get 7 TD or have a YPC above 4 unless that offense improves magically.
I really see another frustrating year for McGahee. He will produce on sheer volume of carries, but he will not get 7 TD or have a YPC above 4 unless that offense improves magically.
SoloMatisse
Footballguy
the one great thing about McGahee is that you wont have to worry much about anyone vulturing looks......because there's not going to be much to vulture. Buffalo's O is going to stink....again. Im not a big fan of drafting a guy simply because he'll get 350 touches. Those touches will eventually start to sting if no rewards follow. Id compare the prospects of McGahee's season to those of Jamal last year. So many people were just thinking that he couldnt have two bad years in a row......just because. There were obvious signs with Jamal, just as there are this year with Willis. Dont expect Willis to have a good year 'just because'.
This year Willis will have had enough and he'll be another Corey Dillon in Cincy clamoring to get out. Can you blame the guy? He's going to have a short career if they keep pounding him to death behind that line. I wouldn't touch him before the 4th or 5th round no matter how many touches he gets.
What's his value in a PPR league? I'm picking 12th in a 12 man league and have been vacillating back and forth about taking him with 1:12 or 2:1-- The fact of the matter is he's going to get a ton of carries and all the goal line opportunities (probably not many)--The real question for me is how man receptions will he have? If Losman uses him as a dump off option a lot, drafting him that high makes sense--thoughts?
Not that early in ppr league. He only caught 28 balls last year. Even if he improves to 50 catches, which he won't, the low TD's will still be too much to overcome.Bad offenses don't produce TDs. He and Reuben both had over 300 carries last year and only 5/2 TDs. That is what is keeping them from becoming elite.Take a WR and Edge/Westbrook or maybe a shot at Taylor or go WR/WR and pick up Dillon/Foster/Dunn combo at the 3/4.
Banger
Footballguy
There were a lot of factors that led to the 5 tds though. He was taken out in 3rd downs (will not this year) and he was misused/not used in the red zone due to bad playcalling (coach's have stressed that they want to get Willis the ball).
I think McGahee could be really good. They have stated over and over that they are going to get him the ball in passing game, which means space, which means the oline will not be a factor there as long as Losman has enough time to dump it off. If they use him the right way, it could be great, and I am excited about him. The oline looked terrible, but during the 5 plays he was in, he made a one handed catch, and looked like he would be involved in passing game. I am optomistic.
goonsquad
Think different.
New coaching, more receiving, in on 3rd downs, better playcalling = more TD opportunity. Combine with another year of development for Losman and a hopefully improved defense and I see nowhere to go but up for McGahee.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
If by top 10 you mean, just barely makes into the top 10, I can go along with that.
I would put him in a range of RB8 to RB12.
I would put him in a range of RB8 to RB12.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
To me, most of these negatives were true last season. It is true that they lost Eric Moulds, but I think that relates to the "8 in the box" part with defenses focusing on the run due to the lack of a threat through the air...which, IMO, starts with the quarterback. I don't think you can get worse than the Holcomb/Losman "platoon" last season, and yet McGahee still performed well enough to be a decent, albiet disappointing, RB2. One thing that I think McGahee has going for him this season is that the defense won't be as bad as it was last season. The Buffalo unit really fell apart m when Spikes went down, and if they're healthy this season, they should return to be solid to top defense, which will provide McGahee with more chances and hopefully a greater chance of him being a factor later in the game.He didn't have a HORRIBLE season last year - he still got some good rushing yardage. The TD's were just not there.
McGahee is interesting, because if he hits the back of Round 1 will look like a really good spot to have drafted from with a 1st Round back AND McGahee added in Rd 2.
Wouldn't 2005 be his downside projections, it was a fairly bad year, and he ended the season in the Top 15 RBs
Any uptick in recepts and TDs places him right at RB 9/12
Would be nice to see that O-line move some people in the preseason....
Wouldn't 2005 be his downside projections, it was a fairly bad year, and he ended the season in the Top 15 RBs
Any uptick in recepts and TDs places him right at RB 9/12
Would be nice to see that O-line move some people in the preseason....
Franknbeans
Footballguy
apparently this guy didn't learn that lesson... yet
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Interesting theory that McGahee intentionally broke down last year because he didn't want to be drafted high in fantasy drafts.That said, it's very hard for a RB in a terrible offense to put up good fantasy numbers.biggamer3 said:He broke down last year, but thats only because he didnt want to be drafted in the first round this year, to much pressure from fans.
Now he is back and better than ever
AVOID
H.K.
Footballguy
That was my opinion last night when I took him in round two. He was RB13 selected.Of course, now that I need him to perform, he'll blow out an ACL this weekend....
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
8-12 range for a RB that's going to be RB2 on many teams? I think you'll se a lot of Rudi/ Westbrook/Edge/ Brown/Caddy starting along with Willis platoons on many teams. I'll take that.....KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
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Banger
Footballguy
I avoided him like the plague last year because I thought he was way overvalued based on his TD total and a cream puff 2nd half schedule from the prior year. Likewise I think he's undervalued this year coincidentally largely based on his low TD total from last year and the fact that so many owners were burned by him. I've posted this before but this is how I see the situation..Positives:-new coaching staff who've stated that they will get him the ball-will stay in on 3rd downs (last year he was inexplicably removed on 3rds)-will be much more involved in the passing game-he's trimmed down to increase his speed/quickness-has no competition to take away carries-will get more red zone looks (accrdg to the new staff)-easy rush schedule-defense should improve Neg's:-bad oline (although it may improve from last year)-bad qb (although it should improve from last year)-will face 8 in the box all the time (same as last year)Similar to the Raven's situation it was a situation of whatever can go wrong did go wrong....
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Banger
Footballguy
I have the 9 pick in an upcoming draft and am looking to do the same thing.
NYGus
Footballguy
In my opinion too much is being made of the Bills being a bad team. A very good/great #1 RB will get yds and TD's no matter how bad the team is. People who are overlooking McGahee will be sorry.
Here are some examples for ya:
In 2001 Corey Dillon had 1300+ and 10 rushing TD's on the 6-10 Bengals
In 2002 Priest Holmes had 1600 and 21 rushing TD's-the Chiefs were 8-8
In 2003 Tomlinson had over 1600 yds and 13 TD's on a 4-12 Chargers team
In 2004 Dom Davis had 1100+ and 13 TD's on the 7-9 Texans
and last year Lamont Jordan had 1000+ and 9 rushing TD's on the horrible 4-12 Raiders
McGahee could and should easily get 1200 and 10.
Here are some examples for ya:
In 2001 Corey Dillon had 1300+ and 10 rushing TD's on the 6-10 Bengals
In 2002 Priest Holmes had 1600 and 21 rushing TD's-the Chiefs were 8-8
In 2003 Tomlinson had over 1600 yds and 13 TD's on a 4-12 Chargers team
In 2004 Dom Davis had 1100+ and 13 TD's on the 7-9 Texans
and last year Lamont Jordan had 1000+ and 9 rushing TD's on the horrible 4-12 Raiders
McGahee could and should easily get 1200 and 10.
valence
Footballguy
hate to break it to you, but Mcgahee is not in the same class as any of those guys.In my opinion too much is being made of the Bills being a bad team. A very good/great #1 RB will get yds and TD's no matter how bad the team is. People who are overlooking McGahee will be sorry.Here are some examples for ya:In 2001 Corey Dillon had 1300+ and 10 rushing TD's on the 6-10 BengalsIn 2002 Priest Holmes had 1600 and 21 rushing TD's-the Chiefs were 8-8In 2003 Tomlinson had over 1600 yds and 13 TD's on a 4-12 Chargers team In 2004 Dom Davis had 1100+ and 13 TD's on the 7-9 Texansand last year Lamont Jordan had 1000+ and 9 rushing TD's on the horrible 4-12 RaidersMcGahee could and should easily get 1200 and 10.
goonsquad
Think different.
I agree with everything you said here. Just wanted to point out that he finished as RB13 last year, making him a disappointing RB1 (where he was drafted) but a top notch RB2. I see Willis as value this year, going for a RB2 price but able to put up RB1 numbers.JetsWillWin said:
Banger
Footballguy
the only one that has more talent is LT.hate to break it to you, but Mcgahee is not in the same class as any of those guys.In my opinion too much is being made of the Bills being a bad team. A very good/great #1 RB will get yds and TD's no matter how bad the team is. People who are overlooking McGahee will be sorry.Here are some examples for ya:In 2001 Corey Dillon had 1300+ and 10 rushing TD's on the 6-10 BengalsIn 2002 Priest Holmes had 1600 and 21 rushing TD's-the Chiefs were 8-8In 2003 Tomlinson had over 1600 yds and 13 TD's on a 4-12 Chargers team In 2004 Dom Davis had 1100+ and 13 TD's on the 7-9 Texansand last year Lamont Jordan had 1000+ and 9 rushing TD's on the horrible 4-12 RaidersMcGahee could and should easily get 1200 and 10.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Bull####. There's no way you can convinence me that Jordan or Davis are better than McGahee. I'll obviously conceed LT and Holmes.hate to break it to you, but Mcgahee is not in the same class as any of those guys.In my opinion too much is being made of the Bills being a bad team. A very good/great #1 RB will get yds and TD's no matter how bad the team is. People who are overlooking McGahee will be sorry.Here are some examples for ya:In 2001 Corey Dillon had 1300+ and 10 rushing TD's on the 6-10 BengalsIn 2002 Priest Holmes had 1600 and 21 rushing TD's-the Chiefs were 8-8In 2003 Tomlinson had over 1600 yds and 13 TD's on a 4-12 Chargers team In 2004 Dom Davis had 1100+ and 13 TD's on the 7-9 Texansand last year Lamont Jordan had 1000+ and 9 rushing TD's on the horrible 4-12 RaidersMcGahee could and should easily get 1200 and 10.
Banger
Footballguy
Talent wise I wouldn't even include Holmes. Holmes was a good rb but a product of the KC offense. The only other one talent wise (besides LT) in his prime that might equal Willis is Dillon. He had a lot of good years on a lot of bad teams (similar to Willis).Bull####. There's no way you can convinence me that Jordan or Davis are better than McGahee. I'll obviously conceed LT and Holmes.hate to break it to you, but Mcgahee is not in the same class as any of those guys.In my opinion too much is being made of the Bills being a bad team. A very good/great #1 RB will get yds and TD's no matter how bad the team is. People who are overlooking McGahee will be sorry.Here are some examples for ya:In 2001 Corey Dillon had 1300+ and 10 rushing TD's on the 6-10 BengalsIn 2002 Priest Holmes had 1600 and 21 rushing TD's-the Chiefs were 8-8In 2003 Tomlinson had over 1600 yds and 13 TD's on a 4-12 Chargers team In 2004 Dom Davis had 1100+ and 13 TD's on the 7-9 Texansand last year Lamont Jordan had 1000+ and 9 rushing TD's on the horrible 4-12 RaidersMcGahee could and should easily get 1200 and 10.
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H.K.
Footballguy
JLew and now this? The common ground widens...
can it get worse than last year when he had 5 tds and they had horrible goalline play calling which cost him a few. IMO 7td's is about the floor for him this year.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
The Bills line is putrid. At best it will be comparible to last year, it might actually be worse.
Their defense is not good. They will not be able to stop the run. The Bills are going to be playing from behind in the second half almost every game and passing.
The only hope for McGahee is that he catches A LOT of passes out of the backfield. If the coordinator is smart he is going to call a lot of screens, because with their seive line and known passing situations (trailing) the defense is going to be all over Losman.
I wouldn't hang my hat on McGahee.
Their defense is not good. They will not be able to stop the run. The Bills are going to be playing from behind in the second half almost every game and passing.
The only hope for McGahee is that he catches A LOT of passes out of the backfield. If the coordinator is smart he is going to call a lot of screens, because with their seive line and known passing situations (trailing) the defense is going to be all over Losman.
I wouldn't hang my hat on McGahee.
from all reports the Bills are going to be using him more in the passing game
TLEF316
Footballguy
ive got him as my RB2 behind alexander in a 12 team ppr keeper league. I think he is a top 5 talent at RB in the NFL (probably would have been top 3 if not for the injury) That being said, the rest of the offense stinks.
In a re-draft, i wouldnt take him until like pick 18-20. There are too many other players with better situations.
In a re-draft, i wouldnt take him until like pick 18-20. There are too many other players with better situations.
Not in the same class as davis and jordan... that is nutshate to break it to you, but Mcgahee is not in the same class as any of those guys.In my opinion too much is being made of the Bills being a bad team. A very good/great #1 RB will get yds and TD's no matter how bad the team is. People who are overlooking McGahee will be sorry.Here are some examples for ya:In 2001 Corey Dillon had 1300+ and 10 rushing TD's on the 6-10 BengalsIn 2002 Priest Holmes had 1600 and 21 rushing TD's-the Chiefs were 8-8In 2003 Tomlinson had over 1600 yds and 13 TD's on a 4-12 Chargers team In 2004 Dom Davis had 1100+ and 13 TD's on the 7-9 Texansand last year Lamont Jordan had 1000+ and 9 rushing TD's on the horrible 4-12 RaidersMcGahee could and should easily get 1200 and 10.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
Talent wise, Mcgahee is very overated. Less then 4 yards a carry, a long of 27, and only 4 runs over 20 yards is pretty bad. (with 325 carries) I watched every Bills game last year and was not impressed. No high end speed, little elusiveness. He does have a little power however. If you saw him in college you would think factor back, but now he really is just a plodder unless something has changed in the off season. Still a good rb2 with all the carries he gets but I think his upside is limited because of both his talent and the Bills putrid offense.
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