McNabb Outlook (1 Viewer)

[gheemony]

What's McNabb's outlook for the rest of the season? Most experts express concern, but still have him at around QB #6-8. I am struggling to see this. It feels like a QB on a steep decline whose "perceived value" is lifted by his reputation. Here's what I see as negatives:

* Terrible offensive line: 12 sacks. Homers, is this going to be a season-long problem or will they get some players healthy to recover.

* Missing their best offensive weapon. When Westbrook is out, McNabb misses 50-100 gimme passing yards a week and the chance that Westbrook turns it into a TD. Westbrook also dramatically changes the defense's ability to attack McNabb. They have to worry about the run. They have to watch Westbrook out of the backfield. It adds up to more time for McNabb and for the WRs to get open.

* No reliable WRs. Seems like PHI has a large group of #2 and #3 NFL WRs (feels like Todd Pinkston all over again). No TO or Stallworth to stretch the defense.

* Still recovering from knee injury. He's not picking up extra fantasy points on the ground for his owners.

* Injury risk. This may be irrational, but I think there is a risk that he gets hurt again.

To me, he seems like someone to target as your QB2 for a QBBC. But don't spend a lot for him. That way you can dump him if things continue to go south.

In contrast, I don't see this as a buy low opportunity where you give up a low QB1 (say Roethlisberger or Hasslebeck) and something small to "upgrade" to McNabb. Too much risk. Unless you're desperate and need a home run, I don't see this as a good move.

Thoughts?

 

[perry147]

 

[MaddHatter]

He should exceed expectations from here on out... right now they are pretty bad.

The City of Philadelphia will riot at the Linc if Andy Reid let's another dismal offensive line performance go down again. With that said, Westbrook should be back for week 6, after having plenty of rest, which will benefit McNabb.

The Eagles next 5 games will be critical in diagnosing McNabbs FF value: at NYJ, CHI, at MIN, DAL, at WAS

The Jets should easily be scored upon, barring the offensive line play. With plenty of inconsistencies around the league, McNabb is a good QB2 but should perform like a solid QB1 most of the time down the stretch. Westbrook's health is key though. McNabb looks like a superhuman out there with his safety valve (Westbrook).

If you own guys like Bulger, Brees, or Hasselbeck, I would buy McNabb low right now. His owner might be fed up with him and McNabb should be good for 2 scores against the Jets. Remember, McNabb isn't a turnover machine either. I would buy low.

 

[kupcho1]

If you own guys like Bulger, Brees, or Hasselbeck, I would buy McNabb low right now. His owner might be fed up with him and McNabb should be good for 2 scores against the Jets. Remember, McNabb isn't a turnover machine either. I would buy low.

Hell, I bought McNabb at his high water mark a few weeks ago (after the DET) game and still didn't have to pay all that much (McNair/Peppers). There are numerous people that have no faith whatsoever in McNabb. I can't say I blame them, but if he (and Westbrook) can stay healthy (a big risk, btw) and the PHI offensive philosophy doesn't radically change, he could pay big dividends.

 

[gheemony]

He should exceed expectations from here on out... right now they are pretty bad.The City of Philadelphia will riot at the Linc if Andy Reid let's another dismal offensive line performance go down again. With that said, Westbrook should be back for week 6, after having plenty of rest, which will benefit McNabb.The Eagles next 5 games will be critical in diagnosing McNabbs FF value: at NYJ, CHI, at MIN, DAL, at WASThe Jets should easily be scored upon, barring the offensive line play. With plenty of inconsistencies around the league, McNabb is a good QB2 but should perform like a solid QB1 most of the time down the stretch. Westbrook's health is key though. McNabb looks like a superhuman out there with his safety valve (Westbrook).If you own guys like Bulger, Brees, or Hasselbeck, I would buy McNabb low right now. His owner might be fed up with him and McNabb should be good for 2 scores against the Jets. Remember, McNabb isn't a turnover machine either. I would buy low.

Good points, thought I'm not sure what lynching by Philly fans will do to help spark the offense. I don't want to see OC take over for an injured Reid. LOL.The schedule looks decent going forward.What about the OL?Are you saying that Bulger, Brees, and Hasselbeck owners should trade those players to get McNabb or should trade for McNabb to pair with one of those QBs?

 

[Shermanator]

As long as Westbrook is in the backfield, McNabb will be a stud

 

[LHUCKS]

BUY LOW

 

[MaddHatter]

Are you saying that Bulger, Brees, and Hasselbeck owners should trade those players to get McNabb or should trade for McNabb to pair with one of those QBs?

Should try to get McNabb as his value should supercede any of those listed. Whether to pair or as part of a deal for McNabb. Either way.

 

[gheemony]

BUY LOW

LHUCKS, thanks. I respect your opinion - what's your rationale?

 

[Rogi]

Well, McNabb looks like he could be dinged up again and PHI has a tough matchup with NE this week. After NE he has some good, but not great matchups except NO at the end. Anybody see him play yesterday before he was injured? His stat line was ugly. His inconsistency is becoming a headache as well.

 

[LILB811]

He looked as bad as the stats. I just don't understand the inconsistency, and IMO it has nothing to do with the knee. I really wish I had an explanation but the guy is just random.

 

[Rogi]

I haven't seen him play very much this year, but I even thought his playing looked kind of ugly against WAS last week. He had a great game in FF, but his two big TDs were because of Westbrook's ability run after the catch and R. Brown's nice catch on an off-the-mark throw. Its hard to give up on him because PHI likes to throw a lot and players like Westbrook can take a 5 yard dump pass to the house at any time.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

He looked as bad as the stats. I just don't understand the inconsistency, and IMO it has nothing to do with the knee. I really wish I had an explanation but the guy is just random.

Don't think he was looking that bad. Had a bomb to Reggie Brown for a TD (later called back thanks to LJ Smith, which was awesome, since I started both McNabb and Brown). Then, the DB made a good play on the 1st pick. The second pick, I think was a result of the wet ball. Seemed like he was trying to throw it away, and it just never made it to the sideline.As for the injury, I'm sure that tackler wasn't trying to necessarily hurt him, but he did take a weird form in getting him to the ground. Like a wrestler, or something. Hope he's ok, but if not, hopefully this helps see him out the door, and on his way to Chicago.

 

[Rogi]

He looked as bad as the stats. I just don't understand the inconsistency, and IMO it has nothing to do with the knee. I really wish I had an explanation but the guy is just random.

Don't think he was looking that bad. Had a bomb to Reggie Brown for a TD (later called back thanks to LJ Smith, which was awesome, since I started both McNabb and Brown). Then, the DB made a good play on the 1st pick. The second pick, I think was a result of the wet ball. Seemed like he was trying to throw it away, and it just never made it to the sideline.As for the injury, I'm sure that tackler wasn't trying to necessarily hurt him, but he did take a weird form in getting him to the ground. Like a wrestler, or something. Hope he's ok, but if not, hopefully this helps see him out the door, and on his way to Chicago.

I'm not a Philly homer, but if I can see why you're frustrated. He has been very up and down plus he's banged up.

 

[Rogi]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/200711...b_injuries.html

This doesn't help much. Just that he's day-to-day and could still possibly start vs. NE.

 

[ThePhillyKid]

Philly Homer here

McNabb's okay as long as Westbrook is back there with him. He always relies on Westy for a good number of dump offs and screens that Westbrook turns into big yardage.

But his receivers have had a hard time with consistently getting open, and he doesn't have the best pass blocking O-Line, cause they don't usually run(exception this past week against Miami) enough to keep defenses honest.

Before getting injured this past game, McNabb still looked way inconsistent with his throws any time he tries to throw over 10 to 15 yards(maybe because he is still having trouble setting his feet cause of last years injury), but he seemed to be gaining some of his mobility back as the weeks have gone on. Who knows if this injury will set him back some?

Also, consider the playoffs, if you figure to make it.

If the Eagles are out of playoff contention, don't expect McNabb to be the QB for those last few games(weeks 15 - 17). This organization really wants to get a look at their draft pick, Kevin Kolb, to see what he can do.

I fully except Kolb to play when/if the Eagles are officially out of the playoff run....though this is just my educated guess.

 

[oddball]

The Eagles are out of playoff contention. They just don't believe it. They don't want to throw the rookie to the wolves(NE) so I think McNabb will play one more game if he can go. If not, then Feely. After that, I think it'll be Kolb the rest of the way. When Febuary comes, goodbye Reid. When April comes, goodbye McNabb.

 

[ThePhillyKid]

The Eagles are out of playoff contention. They just don't believe it. They don't want to throw the rookie to the wolves(NE) so I think McNabb will play one more game if he can go. If not, then Feely. After that, I think it'll be Kolb the rest of the way. When Febuary comes, goodbye Reid. When April comes, goodbye McNabb.

They won't make the playoffs, I agree that they have almost no shot. But the organization has to keep up appearances, and if McNabb can play, I think he will play till they are officially, mathematically out.When the Eagles loss to the Patriots, they will be 5 - 6. They mathematically might have a shot to still make the playoffs at 9 - 7 if Detroit collapses.

That Seattle game will be a big game for them. If they lose, they would be 5 - 7 and have to run the table to have an outside shot. This of course won't happen cause they still have to play the Gaints and Cowboys.

I see McNabb definitely playing the Seattle game, as long as he isn't hurt. And win or lose, probably playing against the Giants as well.

After that though, week 15 through 17, highly unlikely he will play.

 

[lion_crazz]

The Eagles are out of playoff contention. They just don't believe it. They don't want to throw the rookie to the wolves(NE) so I think McNabb will play one more game if he can go. If not, then Feely. After that, I think it'll be Kolb the rest of the way. When Febuary comes, goodbye Reid. When April comes, goodbye McNabb.

I am not a huge Eagles fan, but I think you are over-exaggerating a bit here. The second wild card team right now is Detroit. They have not looked very good in some of their games. They do not have a very easy remaining schedule, either. They still have to play Dallas, GB twice, and San Diego in San Diego (who has the potential to win any game with LT). That's 4 tough games, and I am not even counting their game in Minnesota where they will probably play a healthy Adrian Peterson. Their offense has to score a lot more than 10 points to win football games. Then, the only other team that is up there is Arizona and Washington, two teams that Philly is tied with. The only team that Philly has to worry about is Arizona because they have a very nice schedule the rest of the way, with only two more difficult games in Seattle and in New Orleans. Even with a loss to New England this week, Philly is not out of the wildcard race. The division - yes, the wildcard - no.

 

[LILB811]

The Eagles are out of playoff contention. They just don't believe it.

Sitting at 5-5, one game out of a playoff spot, and seeing what happened last year... can you blame them?I find myself on a good amount of McNabb dropbacks just yelling at the guy "GET RID OF THE BALL". Sure the receivers are awful, but he doesn't seem to be making reads and going through his progression as quick as he has in the past. His passes were all over the place yesterday.

The guy always seems so adamant about proving the doubters wrong, yet you never know which Donovan you're gonna get. From last week to this week it's amazing the difference. He needs to be more consistent if he wants to stay in Philadelphia at all.

 

[CYP]

In my opinion McNabb is the best QB on the Eagles but he does not give them the best opportunity to win. When hes out they run more period, when hes in they pass more. Keep McNabb out, let Westbrook carry the team. He gives them the best opportuntity to win

 

[ThePhillyKid]

In my opinion McNabb is the best QB on the Eagles but he does not give them the best opportunity to win. When hes out they run more period, when hes in they pass more. Keep McNabb out, let Westbrook carry the team. He gives them the best opportuntity to win

I agree, the game plan when McNabb plays is what is killing the Eagles, and killing McNabb.

 

[Chunky Soup]

In my opinion McNabb is the best QB on the Eagles but he does not give them the best opportunity to win. When hes out they run more period, when hes in they pass more. Keep McNabb out, let Westbrook carry the team. He gives them the best opportuntity to win

It's impossible to believe he's the best QB rostered after watching INT #1 yesterday. That was just awful. There are many examples like that during the year. The QB should never be making such awful decisions.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

McNabb + Reid is a bad combo and needs to be broken up. I don't think that McNabb is finished as a QB or that Reid is finished as a coach. But they can't work together anymore. When McNabb is in there, Reid calls plays like he's still got the McNabb of 2004.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

In my opinion McNabb is the best QB on the Eagles but he does not give them the best opportunity to win. When hes out they run more period, when hes in they pass more. Keep McNabb out, let Westbrook carry the team. He gives them the best opportuntity to win

It's impossible to believe he's the best QB rostered after watching INT #1 yesterday. That was just awful. There are many examples like that during the year. The QB should never be making such awful decisions.

Actually I thought INT #1 was a good play by the defender. INT #2 was the disgraceful one.

 

[BigRed]

I thought Reid was supposedly on the verge of quitting as PHI HC-?

Any updates on McNabb's injuries? Sounds like at worst he'll not play Sun?

 

[Tanner9919]

He looked as bad as the stats. I just don't understand the inconsistency, and IMO it has nothing to do with the knee. I really wish I had an explanation but the guy is just random.

the explanation is, McNabb is not very good..he's average.Only twice in his 9-year career, has he thrown for more than 21 tds in a single season..his lifetime comp % is 58.4, in six seasons, he's failed to throw for more than 18 tds! his rush numbers have fallen steadily, since 2002..the guy is an average QB who *thinks* he's on the same level as P. Manning and Brady..only once since 2002 has he played a full 16-game schedule, and it looks like he might miss another game this week...can we finally, once and for all, lay to rest this notion that McNabb is some great , top 5 QB with unbelievable stats, who is a must-have guy on fantasy draft day..he's perhaps the single most overrated player in fantasy football today..

 

[Bushead]

He looked as bad as the stats. I just don't understand the inconsistency, and IMO it has nothing to do with the knee. I really wish I had an explanation but the guy is just random.

the explanation is, McNabb is not very good..he's average.Only twice in his 9-year career, has he thrown for more than 21 tds in a single season..his lifetime comp % is 58.4, in six seasons, he's failed to throw for more than 18 tds! his rush numbers have fallen steadily, since 2002..the guy is an average QB who *thinks* he's on the same level as P. Manning and Brady..only once since 2002 has he played a full 16-game schedule, and it looks like he might miss another game this week...can we finally, once and for all, lay to rest this notion that McNabb is some great , top 5 QB with unbelievable stats, who is a must-have guy on fantasy draft day..he's perhaps the single most overrated player in fantasy football today..

Calling him injury prone may be justified at this point and he is certainly not playing his best season, but...Before this weeks games (in which McNabb only played a quarter)Peyton Manning: 16 touchdowns 10 interceptions 2386 passing yardsDonovan McNabb: 13 touchdowns 4 interceptions 2295 passing yardsI also do not recall him ever saying he was on the same level as Brady or Manning, please provide a link

 

[Wally Cleaver]

I seriously don't see any situation where a healthy McNabb does not finish out the year, regardless of playoff implications. McNabb is Reid's guy and I dont see him pulling him this season. I think the Eagles let Reid & McNabb finish out the season and look elsewhere next year.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

He looked as bad as the stats. I just don\'t understand the inconsistency, and IMO it has nothing to do with the knee. I really wish I had an explanation but the guy is just random.

the explanation is, McNabb is not very good..he\'s average.Only twice in his 9-year career, has he thrown for more than 21 tds in a single season..his lifetime comp % is 58.4, in six seasons, he\'s failed to throw for more than 18 tds! his rush numbers have fallen steadily, since 2002..the guy is an average QB who *thinks* he\'s on the same level as P. Manning and Brady..only once since 2002 has he played a full 16-game schedule, and it looks like he might miss another game this week...can we finally, once and for all, lay to rest this notion that McNabb is some great , top 5 QB with unbelievable stats, who is a must-have guy on fantasy draft day..he\'s perhaps the single most overrated player in fantasy football today..

Season totals inherently overlook the fact that he\'s missed games where others have not. Yes, that\'s a factor, but to look at season totals rather than points per games played misses a lot of quality. McNabb is very explosive in fantasy terms. I agree that his completion % is low, and even more so given that he\'s running a WCO. His greatest enemy is his health, followed by a screwy offensive scheme that Andy Reid refuses to adapt, and his WR\'s have never been anything special except for when TO (and arguably Stallworth) were there. He\'s certainly not an elite QB, nor one headed to the HoF or anything. However to call him average is silly.

 

[Bushead]

I seriously don't see any situation where a healthy McNabb does not finish out the year, regardless of playoff implications. McNabb is Reid's guy and I dont see him pulling him this season. I think the Eagles let Reid & McNabb finish out the season and look elsewhere next year.

I would be shocked if Reid is not with the Eagles next year and very suprised if McNabb was not there as well.