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Media Silence About Hip Hop, Five Percenters, Farrakhan, and Anti-Semitism. Where Are You, Wu? Plus, Some Personal Musings (1 Viewer)

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Recently, Jay Electronica made news for tweeting out blatantly anti-Semitic stuff from the teachings of Louis Farrakhan. Nick Cannon, Wiley from Britain, and others have been right alongside him in their views on Jews and Judaism. Claiming that they are the rightful sons and descendants of Israel and that Jews should not be there, they are launching online offenses and tweets about Jews.

Since I figure there will be either howls or downplays from the usual white liberals, I'm posting the article from Okayplayer, a website that is widely considered a friend to hip hop artists and their wares.

https://www.okayplayer.com/music/jay-electronica-defends-nick-cannon-anti-semitic-comments-with-anti-semitic-twitter-rant.html

Yet this is barely ever covered in mainstream press. A quick Google search finds no Rolling Stone articles, no Stereogum discussion, no Pitchfork blurb on Google's front pages (I am not digging in the crates for these, so they may exist, but to what extent can that possibly be so? I read those publications and never once have seem the anti-Semitic problems with Farrakhan or Five Percenters discussed.) This is to be expected because the problematic relationship is almost taboo at these left-wing ninny periodicals/online bastions of music criticism.

Jay Electronica called the Jews the devil, cowards, and said that blacks are the real sons of Israel and that we should all read Farrakhan. For that, he was rewarded with a Grammy nomination.

You can pooh-pooh this all you want, but how long until average citizens have had enough of the garbage pumped forth by the entertainment industry? I certainly am. I've dropped out. I know about Jay Electronica because I'm an avid music follower for a 47 year-old, but few recognize the political and social rot and detritus that our industries lionize as cutting edge or excellent.

My question becomes at what point does this break? At what point does the center not hold? Where people like me are forced to choose between crap like Trumpists want and the garbage that this dreck espouses?

Anyway, just a thought or an observation for consideration. Why the free media pass about this given the ultimate concern with being woke? It must be that intersectionality has truly come home to roost on the left and in mainstream culture, rotting everything that it touches. There is no other reason for the omission, no other rationale.

 
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Jay Elecwhoozica? 

Dababy is getting cancelled for his anti-gay rants.  Let's kick Jay off all his festival dates.  What?!?! He isn't booked for any big festivals?   Shocker. 

Seems like the fringe left and right have a hate hard on for the chosen people.   At least there's some common ground to start with. 

My World is still heat: "you can't dance w the chancellor, one glance will have you in the trance if the tarantula"

 
That wasn't serious.

My OP was, though. Why on earth does hate from one quarter get a free pass like this? If this were a white country star, the media would be all over it and the city of Nashville would have issued a formal apology to the ADL.

 
I have a hard time getting outraged about things said by people I've never heard of.  I'll be sure to cancel him from my Spotify if he ever makes an appearance.  

 
Serious 

That wasn't serious.

My OP was, though. Why on earth does hate from one quarter get a free pass like this? If this were a white country star, the media would be all over it and the city of Nashville would have issued a formal apology to the ADL.
Serious answer, white people cannot make observations about what black people do.  The reality is that given the original sin of slavery, which never goes away, a white person has no moral standing to comment on what black people do.  Those that do, it usually ends poorly.  So most don't.  Laws are still enforced, which is a form of judgement on an individuals activities, although the defund fight is addressing that.

 
My World is still heat: "you can't dance w the chancellor, one glance will have you in the trance if the tarantula"
Oh, just so our priorities can be straight, why don't you find me a nice copy of Birth Of A Nation, restored and curated, with original music set to it and we can talk? 

The KKK riding scene is something to behold when smoking a blunt. It's considered a pyrotechnic advancement in film. So why every time is it mentioned is racism and the portrayal of blacks brought to the fore. Why is Griffith's entire name besmirched by the mere act of "heat"?

One wonders where at the intersection of hate and heat can we come to a cultural agreement.

You can call it "heat "all you want. I'm not asking for apologists -- which you are -- I'm asking whither the woke media silence.

 
Serious 

Serious answer, white people cannot make observations about what black people do.  The reality is that given the original sin of slavery, which never goes away, a white person has no moral standing to comment on what black people do.  Those that do, it usually ends poorly.  So most don't.  Laws are still enforced, which is a form of judgement on an individuals activities, although the defund fight is addressing that.
Oh, I'm well aware of the social approbation that goes along with being white and commenting on something black.

I need no lesson there. The nice thing about the internet is we're all tinted cinder, spackled masses of thought and nothing more.

I have a hard time getting outraged about things said by people I've never heard of.  I'll be sure to cancel him from my Spotify if he ever makes an appearance.  
Nick Cannon? The guy on Fox on The Mask? That huge show?

Blam blam blam went the gunshots to the argument.

 
Oh, I'm well aware of the social approbation that goes along with being white and commenting on something black.

I need no lesson there. The nice thing about the internet is we're all tinted cinder, spackled masses of thought and nothing more.
Yep, that wasn't intended as a warning or a foreboding in terms of outcomes here...but to your original question as to why the external silence is deafening.

 
I have a hard time getting outraged about things said by people I've never heard of.  I'll be sure to cancel him from my Spotify if he ever makes an appearance.  


I never heard of him either before this thread and the reason for the lack of reaction by the media and on the left is probably due to his obscurity. I see he has a Twitter account with 370k followers, but I somehow doubt that anyone I follow or am interested in will ever quote or reference him. 

 
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I never heard of him either before this thread and the reason for the lack of reaction by those on the media and those on the left due is probably due to his obscurity. I see he has a Twitter account with 370k followers, but I somehow doubt that anyone I follow or am interested in will ever quote or reference him. 
Nick Cannon down? He’s in the OP. Still hosting. Grammy-nominated Jay Electronica? cockroach knows exactly who he is. 

 
I have a hard time getting outraged about things said by people I've never heard of.  I'll be sure to cancel him from my Spotify if he ever makes an appearance.  
I'm going to guess there are a fair amount of folks that have expressed opinions you disagree with, that you heard of them solely because of the opinion they expressed.  And that you were sufficiently outraged.

Were you, for example, a Marjorie Taylor Green enthusiast before you were introduced to the first stupid thing she said?

 
I'm going to guess there are a fair amount of folks that have expressed opinions you disagree with, that you heard of them solely because of the opinion they expressed.  And that you were sufficiently outraged.

Were you, for example, a Marjorie Taylor Green enthusiast before you were introduced to the first stupid thing she said?


She's a member of congress (or was running at the time) not some inconsequential random guy

As someone else mentioned da baby (to be fair i also don't know who he is but he is some sort of celebrity) is being taken to the woodshed for being homophobic

The topic may be fair it's just the example used is ridiculous...

 
Nick Cannon? The guy on Fox on The Mask? That huge show?

Blam blam blam went the gunshots to the argument.
Didn't realize he was the focus of this and I can't even find what he said in the article you linked, plus one of the embedded articles linked within.  I do see he issued an apology, and it comes across as sincere.

 
I have a hard time getting outraged about things said by people I've never heard of.  I'll be sure to cancel him from my Spotify if he ever makes an appearance.  
Nick Cannon? The guy on Fox on The Mask? That huge show?

Blam blam blam went the gunshots to the argument.
I don't know who the person from OP is, nor any of the above.  I'm pretty sure that says far less about my political leanings that it does about my age, cool factor, and pop culture knowledge?

 
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She's a member of congress (or was running at the time) not some inconsequential random guy

As someone else mentioned da baby (to be fair i also don't know who he is but he is some sort of celebrity) is being taken to the woodshed for being homophobic

The topic may be fair it's just the example used is ridiculous...
Sorry, its a political forum and I just took somebody off the first page.  Substitute in Alex Jones, or Frank the Pillow Guy....or whoever you want to that expresses an opinion that you think is ridiculous that you don't normally pay attention to because they are not on your side of the aisle.  But then you read something dumb they say...and are outraged.  We have lots of threads on them.

I myself for example don't give a #### what MTG or Pillow Frank says...but I don't feel the need to dismiss the stupidity of what they are saying because I've never been exposed to them before. 

Seems like a odd litmus test and dismissive to say don't care, don't know 'em.  But that's easier than discussing the content of what they're saying I guess.

 
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I'm going to guess there are a fair amount of folks that have expressed opinions you disagree with, that you heard of them solely because of the opinion they expressed.  And that you were sufficiently outraged.

Were you, for example, a Marjorie Taylor Green enthusiast before you were introduced to the first stupid thing she said?
I hold elected officials that serve in DC to a different standard than I do musicians.... although with some of the current crop in Congress I may need to reconsider that.

 
The topic may be fair it's just the example
Jay Electronica was nominated for a Grammy this year. That nobody has heard of him just means you're old and white, nothing else. It's not the example that's the problem. It's...it's you.

And Nick Cannon should be known. If he isn't, you need to catch up on pop culture a bit. Again, not the example, but you.

 
For those saying they've never heard of the people in the OP, I think that's part of the subject here. If it were a country act I have no doubt the likes of MSNBC, CNN, etc. would be all over it. That said, I haven't consumed much MSM lately (the Phillies have been on a tear before last night  :bowtie: ) so I have no idea how much, if any, coverage this has gotten.

 
That sounds like an underhanded complaint about people that complain.
Bingo. It's being to shut up, you have it good. Well, I'm asking questions about a cultural double standard. Who doesn't have it good but a Grammy-nominated fellow who is signed to Jay Z's Roc Nation and gets to talk freely about whatever his beliefs are? Nobody else gets that right in our society.

 
I didn't bother to read the entire thread but I'm pretty sure the answer to why this would be happening is hypocrisy and partisanship.

What do I win?

 
For those saying they've never heard of the people in the OP, I think that's part of the subject here. If it were a country act I have no doubt the likes of MSNBC, CNN, etc. would be all over it. That said, I haven't consumed much MSM lately (the Phillies have been on a tear before last night  :bowtie: ) so I have no idea how much, if any, coverage this has gotten.
Very little in the MSM. The reason I bring it up is because it became very problematic for me about six-nine months ago when I heard of it. I'd heard of Jay and listened to him because Spotify had him in my algorithm when I was on the road a while back. It was dope. I had no idea he'd been so strident in his love of Farrakhan, his membership in the Nation Of Islam, or his views on Judaism. When I went to listen to his new album, I was confronted with it in an inescapable way. If he were a country star? "Grammy-nominated" is not the adjective you'd hear before his name, that's for sure.

 
Very little in the MSM. The reason I bring it up is because it became very problematic for me about six-nine months ago when I heard of it. I'd heard of Jay and listened to him because Spotify had him in my algorithm when I was on the road a while back. It was dope. I had no idea he'd been so strident in his love of Farrakhan, his membership in the Nation Of Islam, or his views on Judaism. When I went to listen to his new album, I was confronted with it in an inescapable way. If he were a country star? "Grammy-nominated" is not the adjective you'd hear before his name, that's for sure.
I fully acknowledge the hypocrisy in media, be it left or right leaning. I watch/read my fair share of it, but I do so knowing the inherent bias.

 
Sorry, its a political forum and I just took somebody off the first page.  Substitute in Alex Jones, or Frank the Pillow Guy....or whoever you want to that expresses an opinion that you think is ridiculous that you don't normally pay attention to because they are not on your side of the aisle.  But then you read something dumb they say...and are outraged.  We have lots of threads on them.

I myself for example don't give a #### what MTG or Pillow Frank says...but I don't feel the need to dismiss the stupidity of what they are saying because I've never been exposed to them before. 

Seems like a odd litmus test and dismissive to say don't care, don't know 'em.  But that's easier than discussing the content of what they're saying I guess.


Again not that its not a worthy topic but i think you missed the point.  Congress, millions of followers and an advisor to the ex-president >>>>>>>> rapper with $10 to his name

 
Maybe this will pick up steam but i think the partial answer to your question is visible in this thread.  Traditionally the consumer of mainstream media is middle class white people.  Middle class white people have not heard of this person....

 
Again not that its not a worthy topic but i think you missed the point.  Congress, millions of followers and an advisor to the ex-president >>>>>>>> rapper with $10 to his name
 You keep insisting the man is small time. He signed to Roc Nation and dated Katherine Rothschild, heiress to the Rothschild fortune. The problem isn’t that you haven’t heard of him, the problem is … you. 

 
Maybe this will pick up steam but i think the partial answer to your question is visible in this thread.  Traditionally the consumer of mainstream media is middle class white people.  Middle class white people have not heard of this person....
This is true. 

 
This is true. 


Hopefully he gets his in some way or fashion for sure.  It's a good topic for discussion and fits into the larger narrative that the media does tend to ignore some things and concentrate on others.  Sometimes the rationale may not be as insidious...but sometimes it s.

 
His thread sums up americans so well.

The opinion of famous people is all that matters. 


I literally have never understood things like celebrity endorsements, reality TV shows with celebrities, etc.  I could not care less about stars.  I watch sports (love them) but I don't give a #### what car LeBron drives or what cereal Tiger eats.  I watch movies but same things with the actors.  Musicians, politicians, rich people.  Why the #### should I care what these people have to say or what they do?  The vast majority of them wouldn't pee on me if I was on fire and I'm supposed to value what they have to say?

/old man rant

 
I literally have never understood things like celebrity endorsements, reality TV shows with celebrities, etc.  I could not care less about stars.  I watch sports (love them) but I don't give a #### what car LeBron drives or what cereal Tiger eats.  I watch movies but same things with the actors.  Musicians, politicians, rich people.  Why the #### should I care what these people have to say or what they do?  The vast majority of them wouldn't pee on me if I was on fire and I'm supposed to value what they have to say?

/old man rant


I'm with you and its hard for me to find people that care.  But literally there are 10s of million of people out there that will cry when a celebrity gets a bad haircut.  I would love to understand what makes them tick.

 
I hold elected officials that serve in DC to a different standard than I do musicians.... although with some of the current crop in Congress I may need to reconsider that.
I do too, but the public have become simpletons.   The Kardishians have more weight than elected officials.  Then again, many of our elected officials are hypocrites. 

 
I do too, but the public have become simpletons.   The Kardishians have more weight than elected officials.  Then again, many of our elected officials are hypocrites. 


Again realizing that FBGers are a cut above and all high income households, it is strange that the world we live in now.  So many people do these strange things and care about the kardishians yet they are hard to find.  

 
I think people are missing the point about celebrity. His award was for his art, which incorporates the teachings of Farrakhan. There’s an audio clip of Farrakhan on the album. The album literally incorporates it

 
I think people are missing the point about celebrity. His award was for his art, which incorporates the teachings of Farrakhan. There’s an audio clip of Farrakhan on the album. The album literally incorporates it


I think we get the point, just got a little off track is all :) Tends to happen in these threads

 

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