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[FairWarning]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

Considering he has an overrated OL and a running game that is OK, seems to be right. They had some some-from-behind victories this year.

 

[Chaos Commish]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

I'm not getting into the details because I would have to look them up, but I read a rather convincing argument that Brady has been better in "tough" games at the end than Jamarcus. The argument was throwing out the games where ND was simply overwhelmed to no fault of any one player. Quinn has been clutch late in several very tight games. That's all. I think Kiper likes having a little contrarian blurb like that, because when he gets asked about it he flash the big knowledge.eta-- to fix spelling... has anyone else noticed the deterioration of my typing skills? I'm starting to worry.

 

[helix]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

That is just a stupid comment by Kiper. Quinn sucks under pressure. Just look how he played in his biggest games of 2006 (MICH, USC and LSU). Horrific. If he gets to play Army, Navy, Air Force and Stanford then he could be the next Elway. But sadly he will not be playing that schedule on Sundays. I predict Quinn will fall in the draft a la Leinart (somewhere around 10).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

I'm not getting into the details because I would have to look them up, but I read a rather convincing argument that Brady has been better in "tough" games at the end than Jamarcus. The argument was throwing out the games where ND was simply overwhelmed to no fault of any one player. Quinn has been clutch late in several very tight games. That's all. I think Kiper likes having a little contrarian blurb like that, because when he gets asked about it he flash the big knowledge.

To be clear, I like the comment. I think Quinn is a franchise QB and is getting a raw deal based on his bowl game performance.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

That is just a stupid comment by Kiper. Quinn sucks under pressure. Just look how he played in his biggest games of 2006 (MICH, USC and LSU). Horrific. If he gets to play Army, Navy, Air Force and Stanford then he could be the next Elway. But sadly he will not be playing that schedule on Sundays. I predict Quinn will fall in the draft a la Leinart (somewhere around 10).

I think Quinn's team sucked this year and those big time teams of MICH, USC and LSU knew if they took him out of the game that they'd win. It's not Quinn's fault that his linemen and running backs couldn't decipher and pick up blitzes (see: the LSU game).

 

[garyd]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

That is just a stupid comment by Kiper. Quinn sucks under pressure. Just look how he played in his biggest games of 2006 (MICH, USC and LSU). Horrific. If he gets to play Army, Navy, Air Force and Stanford then he could be the next Elway. But sadly he will not be playing that schedule on Sundays. I predict Quinn will fall in the draft a la Leinart (somewhere around 10).

I think Quinn's team sucked this year and those big time teams of MICH, USC and LSU knew if they took him out of the game that they'd win. It's not Quinn's fault that his linemen and running backs couldn't decipher and pick up blitzes (see: the LSU game).

Hmmm....maybe that's the kind of "pressure" Mel was referring too.....that Quinn has the poise to stand in the pocket in the face of the defensive pressure and still make the throw

 

[boubucarow]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

That is just a stupid comment by Kiper. Quinn sucks under pressure. Just look how he played in his biggest games of 2006 (MICH, USC and LSU). Horrific. If he gets to play Army, Navy, Air Force and Stanford then he could be the next Elway. But sadly he will not be playing that schedule on Sundays. I predict Quinn will fall in the draft a la Leinart (somewhere around 10).

I think Quinn's team sucked this year and those big time teams of MICH, USC and LSU knew if they took him out of the game that they'd win. It's not Quinn's fault that his linemen and running backs couldn't decipher and pick up blitzes (see: the LSU game).

While you can argue that being the Fighting Irish has been very very good for the Brady Quinn hype machine, you should also recognize that he was on a team lacking the talent to compete with the big boys. Consequently, those who say he wouldn't be considered a top 5 pick if not for the Notre Dame hype should also admit that he almost certainly would have fared much better in the big games and have fewer questions about his handling of pressure if he was on a talented LSU or USC team.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

That is just a stupid comment by Kiper. Quinn sucks under pressure. Just look how he played in his biggest games of 2006 (MICH, USC and LSU). Horrific. If he gets to play Army, Navy, Air Force and Stanford then he could be the next Elway. But sadly he will not be playing that schedule on Sundays. I predict Quinn will fall in the draft a la Leinart (somewhere around 10).

I think Quinn's team sucked this year and those big time teams of MICH, USC and LSU knew if they took him out of the game that they'd win. It's not Quinn's fault that his linemen and running backs couldn't decipher and pick up blitzes (see: the LSU game).

But Andy, if he's a top 5 pick, what kind of OLine and RB play will he have?

 

[boubucarow]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

That is just a stupid comment by Kiper. Quinn sucks under pressure. Just look how he played in his biggest games of 2006 (MICH, USC and LSU). Horrific. If he gets to play Army, Navy, Air Force and Stanford then he could be the next Elway. But sadly he will not be playing that schedule on Sundays. I predict Quinn will fall in the draft a la Leinart (somewhere around 10).

I think Quinn's team sucked this year and those big time teams of MICH, USC and LSU knew if they took him out of the game that they'd win. It's not Quinn's fault that his linemen and running backs couldn't decipher and pick up blitzes (see: the LSU game).

But Andy, if he's a top 5 pick, what kind of OLine and RB play will he have?

If he has a bad Oline and poor RB play, he will struggle like every other QB has in the past.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Weekly update:

1. Calvin Johnson Jr. WR Georgia Tech

Hard worker and team oriented.

2. Joe Thomas Sr. OT Wisconsin

Imposing lineman with great quickness.

3. Adrian Peterson Jr. RB Oklahoma

Great runner, but has durability issues.

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

5. JaMarcus Russell Jr. QB LSU

Big and strong with a powerful arm.

6. Jamaal Anderson Jr. DE Arkansas

Gifted athlete and a complete player.

7. Alan Branch Jr. DT Michigan

A space-eater along the interior.

8. Ted Ginn Jr. Jr. WR Ohio State

Takes a backseat to no one in speed.

9. Amobi Okoye Sr. DT Louisville

Quick, strong and gets penetration into the backfield.

10. Gaines Adams Sr. DE Clemson

Dominating ability with his athleticism.

11. LaRon Landry Sr. DB LSU

Leader on one of the nation's best defenses.

12. Levi Brown Sr. OT Penn St.

Reliable at protecting his QB's blind side.

13. Charles Johnson Jr. DE Georgia

Workout numbers should be eye catching.

14. Dwayne Jarrett Jr. WR USC

Can create mismatches against smaller cornerbacks.

15. Adam Carriker Sr. DE Nebraska

Runs unbelievably well for 300-pound DE.

16. Reggie Nelson Jr. S Florida

Can hit like a safety and cover like a CB.

17. Leon Hall Sr. CB Michigan

Great anticipation and awareness in coverage.

18. Dwayne Bowe Sr. WR LSU

Runs great routes and is tough in traffic.

19. Lawrence Timmons Jr. LB Florida State

Production and consistency are what jump out.

20. Robert Meachem Jr. WR Tennessee

Could elevate with a fast time at the combine.

21. Sidney Rice Jr. WR South Carolina

Above average hands and nice burst.

22. Aaron Ross Sr. CB Texas

Led Longhorns in INT and PBUs in 2006.

23. Anthony Spencer Sr. DE Purdue

Athleticism will make him an ideal OLB in the NFL.

24. Tim Crowder Sr. DE Texas

Became a bigger playmaker for Texas in 2006.

25. Marshawn Lynch Jr. RB California

A complete back with good size.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think Quinn's team sucked this year and those big time teams of MICH, USC and LSU knew if they took him out of the game that they'd win. It's not Quinn's fault that his linemen and running backs couldn't decipher and pick up blitzes (see: the LSU game).

But Andy, if he's a top 5 pick, what kind of OLine and RB play will he have?

Probably a poor one. But there aren't very many guys like Vince Young out there that can minimize the liability that is his offensive line. By that I mean that there are very few QBs that will succeed without protection. That doesn't mean that the QB doesn't have franchise-grade skills.And it doesn't mean that a franchise shouldn't spend a high round pick on Quinn.

 

[Chadstroma]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

Being a Notre Dame fan and watching almost the entire season last year- I would say Poised and at his best under pressure is very accurate. It seemed when he 'missed' was when the throw was too easy or he had all the time in the world to think about what he was doing and the throw would be off. That opposed to when the pressure was on or a DL in his face he would make great throws. The come back wins that Notre Dame pulled out last year were usually thanks to some great QBing of Quinn. So, in my view, no- I do not think it is a strange comment.

 

[Chadstroma]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

I'm not getting into the details because I would have to look them up, but I read a rather convincing argument that Brady has been better in "tough" games at the end than Jamarcus. The argument was throwing out the games where ND was simply overwhelmed to no fault of any one player. Quinn has been clutch late in several very tight games. That's all. I think Kiper likes having a little contrarian blurb like that, because when he gets asked about it he flash the big knowledge.

To be clear, I like the comment. I think Quinn is a franchise QB and is getting a raw deal based on his bowl game performance.

The comments from Weiss are scary. He basically says Quinn will be better than Brady. Who else to know better than Weiss?

 

[Jayded]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

I'm not getting into the details because I would have to look them up, but I read a rather convincing argument that Brady has been better in "tough" games at the end than Jamarcus. The argument was throwing out the games where ND was simply overwhelmed to no fault of any one player. Quinn has been clutch late in several very tight games. That's all. I think Kiper likes having a little contrarian blurb like that, because when he gets asked about it he flash the big knowledge.

To be clear, I like the comment. I think Quinn is a franchise QB and is getting a raw deal based on his bowl game performance.

The comments from Weiss are scary. He basically says Quinn will be better than Brady. Who else to know better than Weiss?

Weis never said that. He said within a few years he could see Quinn in the upper echelon of NFL QBs with Brady and Manning (as their peer), not better than them.

 

[Obie Wan]

4. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

Anyone else find this comment strange as Quinn's reputation has been one that HASN'T performed well under pressure?

I'm not getting into the details because I would have to look them up, but I read a rather convincing argument that Brady has been better in "tough" games at the end than Jamarcus. The argument was throwing out the games where ND was simply overwhelmed to no fault of any one player. Quinn has been clutch late in several very tight games. That's all. I think Kiper likes having a little contrarian blurb like that, because when he gets asked about it he flash the big knowledge.

To be clear, I like the comment. I think Quinn is a franchise QB and is getting a raw deal based on his bowl game performance.

The comments from Weiss are scary. He basically says Quinn will be better than Brady. Who else to know better than Weiss?

Doesn't hurt recruiting to have a top 5 pick.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

3/9 Update

1. Calvin Johnson Jr. WR Georgia Tech

Hard worker and team oriented.

2. Joe Thomas Sr. OT Wisconsin

Imposing lineman with great quickness.

3. Adrian Peterson Jr. RB Oklahoma

Great runner, but has durability issues.

4. JaMarcus Russell Jr. QB LSU

Big and strong with a powerful arm.

5. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

6. LaRon Landry Sr. DB LSU

Leader on one of the nation's best defenses.

7. Amobi Okoye Sr. DT Louisville

Quick, strong and gets penetration into the backfield.

8. Jamaal Anderson Jr. DE Arkansas

Gifted athlete and a complete player.

9. Gaines Adams Sr. DE Clemson

Dominating ability with his athleticism.

10. Leon Hall Sr. CB Michigan

Great anticipation and awareness in coverage.

11. Levi Brown Sr. OT Penn St.

Reliable at protecting his QB's blind side.

12. Dwayne Jarrett Jr. WR USC

Can create mismatches against smaller cornerbacks.

13. Greg Olsen Jr. TE Miami

Complete package: hands, speed and athletic.

14. Adam Carriker Sr. DE Nebraska

Runs unbelievably well for 300-pound DE.

15. Dwayne Bowe Sr. WR LSU

Runs great routes and is tough in traffic.

16. Marshawn Lynch Jr. RB California

A complete back with good size.

17. Steve Smith Sr. WR USC

Sure-handed; great playmaker after the catch.

18. Ben Grubbs Sr. OG Auburn

Versatile athlete who started career at DT.

19. Ted Ginn Jr. Jr. WR Ohio State

Takes a backseat to no one in speed.

20. Lawrence Timmons Jr. LB Florida State

Production and consistency are what jump out.

21. Justin Harrell Sr. DT Tennessee

Showed great toughness playing through injuries.

22. Patrick Willis Sr. LB Mississippi

Tackling machine who is always around the ball.

23. Ryan Kalil Sr. C USC

Practicing against great D-linemen pays off.

24. Alan Branch Jr. DT Michigan

A space-eater along the interior.

25. Joe Staley Sr. OT Central Michigan

Former TE who's developed into a natural left tackle

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Steve Smith at #17?

 

[EBF]

Steve Smith at #17?

Maybe he's making the Reggie Wayne move up. I doubt he'll go as high as #17, but he could sneak into the late first.

 

[brewer]

Steve Smith at #17?

I know that I am in the minority, but I like Smith to have a better NFL career than Jarrett.

 

[The Jacket]

Alan Branch that low?

KC would love to take him at #23.

 

[C & C]

Steve Smith at #17?

I know that I am in the minority, but I like Smith to have a better NFL career than Jarrett. :X

I agree that Smith is underrated and Jarrett is overrated, but Smith @ 17? And ahead of Ginn, Meachem, & Rice? And essentially ranked with Bowe?He obviously has one or two off the wall rakings on purpose. But it is effective.

 

[Liquid Tension]

3/9 Update1. Calvin Johnson Jr. WR Georgia Tech Hard worker and team oriented. 2. Joe Thomas Sr. OT Wisconsin Imposing lineman with great quickness. 3. Adrian Peterson Jr. RB Oklahoma Great runner, but has durability issues. 4. JaMarcus Russell Jr. QB LSU Big and strong with a powerful arm. 5. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame Poised and at his best under pressure. 6. LaRon Landry Sr. DB LSU Leader on one of the nation's best defenses. 7. Amobi Okoye Sr. DT Louisville Quick, strong and gets penetration into the backfield. 8. Jamaal Anderson Jr. DE Arkansas Gifted athlete and a complete player. 9. Gaines Adams Sr. DE Clemson Dominating ability with his athleticism. 10. Leon Hall Sr. CB Michigan Great anticipation and awareness in coverage. 11. Levi Brown Sr. OT Penn St. Reliable at protecting his QB's blind side. 12. Dwayne Jarrett Jr. WR USC Can create mismatches against smaller cornerbacks. 13. Greg Olsen Jr. TE Miami Complete package: hands, speed and athletic. 14. Adam Carriker Sr. DE Nebraska Runs unbelievably well for 300-pound DE. 15. Dwayne Bowe Sr. WR LSU Runs great routes and is tough in traffic. 16. Marshawn Lynch Jr. RB California A complete back with good size. 17. Steve Smith Sr. WR USC Sure-handed; great playmaker after the catch. 18. Ben Grubbs Sr. OG Auburn Versatile athlete who started career at DT. 19. Ted Ginn Jr. Jr. WR Ohio State Takes a backseat to no one in speed. 20. Lawrence Timmons Jr. LB Florida State Production and consistency are what jump out. 21. Justin Harrell Sr. DT Tennessee Showed great toughness playing through injuries. 22. Patrick Willis Sr. LB Mississippi Tackling machine who is always around the ball. 23. Ryan Kalil Sr. C USC Practicing against great D-linemen pays off. 24. Alan Branch Jr. DT Michigan A space-eater along the interior. 25. Joe Staley Sr. OT Central Michigan Former TE who's developed into a natural left tackle

What happened to the Tackle from Arkansas that some said was better than Thomas? (Aghu?)

 

[brewer]

Steve Smith at #17?

I know that I am in the minority, but I like Smith to have a better NFL career than Jarrett.

I agree that Smith is underrated and Jarrett is overrated, but Smith @ 17? And ahead of Ginn, Meachem, & Rice? And essentially ranked with Bowe?He obviously has one or two off the wall rakings on purpose. But it is effective.

Not that this was your question, but my preference of WRs at the moment:CJBoweMeachemSmithRiceJarrettGinn After CJ, I think any of those next 6 could be the best and any of them could be the worst of the bunch. I guess what I am saying is that if I wanted a WR this year, I'd hope to be in position to take the 6th or 7th off the board instead of the 2nd or 3rd.

 

[-OZ-]

24. Alan Branch Jr. DT Michigan A space-eater along the interior.

This is entirely too low. I know this isn't a draft projection, but there should be some correlation.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Jarrett's lack of speed and concerns of him being able to get off the line against NFL CBs worries me. He'll no longer get weak Pac-10 CBs and defenses to beat up. I could see Smith having a better career.

I know that Jarrett and Smith don't really compare to BMW and Colbert other than being USC WR's, but USC WR's don't have the greatest trend going on right now in the NFL.

 

[-OZ-]

Jarrett's lack of speed and concerns of him being able to get off the line against NFL CBs worries me. He'll no longer get weak Pac-10 CBs and defenses to beat up. I could see Smith having a better career.I know that Jarrett and Smith don't really compare to BMW and Colbert other than being USC WR's, but USC WR's don't have the greatest trend going on right now in the NFL.

:whoosh: :anxiouslyawaitingLHucks:

 

[Andy Dufresne]

3/29 Update

1. Calvin Johnson Jr. WR Georgia Tech

Hard worker and team oriented.

2. Joe Thomas Sr. OT Wisconsin

Imposing lineman with great quickness.

3. Adrian Peterson Jr. RB Oklahoma

Great runner, but has durability issues.

4. JaMarcus Russell Jr. QB LSU

Big and strong with a powerful arm.

5. Brady Quinn Sr. QB Notre Dame

Poised and at his best under pressure.

6. LaRon Landry Sr. DB LSU

Leader on one of the nation's best defenses.

7. Amobi Okoye Sr. DT Louisville

Quick, strong and gets penetration into the backfield.

8. Gaines Adams Sr. DE Clemson

Dominating ability with his athleticism.

9. Leon Hall Sr. CB Michigan

Great anticipation and awareness in coverage.

10. Ted Ginn Jr. Jr. WR Ohio State

Takes a backseat to no one in speed.

11. Greg Olsen Jr. TE Miami

Complete package: hands, speed and athletic.

12. Levi Brown Sr. OT Penn St.

Reliable at protecting his QB's blind side.

13. Joe Staley Sr. OT Central Michigan

Former TE who's developed into a natural left tackle.

14. Dwayne Jarrett Jr. WR USC

Can create mismatches against smaller cornerbacks.

15. Patrick Willis Sr. LB Mississippi

Tackling machine who is always around the ball.

16. Jamaal Anderson Jr. DE Arkansas

Gifted athlete and a complete player.

17. Adam Carriker Sr. DE Nebraska

Runs unbelievably well for 300-pound DE.

18. Justin Harrell Sr. DT Tennessee

Showed great toughness playing through injuries.

19. Dwayne Bowe Sr. WR LSU

Runs great routes and is tough in traffic.

20. Marshawn Lynch Jr. RB California

A complete back with good size.

21. Ben Grubbs Sr. OG Auburn

Versatile athlete who started career at DT.

22. Steve Smith Sr. WR USC

Sure-handed; great playmaker after the catch.

23. Robert Meachem Jr. WR Tennessee

An acrobat down field whose stock is rising.

24. Jarvis Moss Jr. DE Florida

Speed rusher who is excellent in pursuit.

25. Paul Posluszny Sr. LB Penn St.

Prepares as thoroughly as anyone in the game.

Dropped Off:

Ryan Kalil

Eric Weddle

Lawrence Timmons

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Kiper still high on Ginn.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Kiper is still overrating Leon Hall.

 

[FavreCo]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Kiper is still overrating Leon Hall.

Apparantly Hall did himself a lot of favors in his workout. Branch however, not so much...

 

[Bonzai]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

why all the hate for ginn?i've got him going to SF in the first.

 

[redman]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

why all the hate for ginn?i've got him going to SF in the first.

His size. He reminds a lot of people of Desmond Howard or Peter Warrick.

 

[zadok]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

why all the hate for ginn?i've got him going to SF in the first.

For someone with his speed to only average 13.2 yards per catch (in his only year as the #1 WR), it is very telling, IMHO. He looks to be a great returner, but WR?

 

[BigTex]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

Meachem>>Ginn

 

[Titus Pullo]

Kiper is still overrating Leon Hall.

Apparantly Hall did himself a lot of favors in his workout. Branch however, not so much...

He did have a nice workout but it's his game play that makes me feel he is overrated.Let's face it, the big ten didn't have the greatest group of WR's this year and when Hall faced tough competition he wasn't superb. OSU and USC had their way with him. Hall made some tackles but they were able to pass all day. For a guy that is supposedly a top 10-15 pick I have my doubts.I'm a much bigger fan of Revis.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Kiper is still overrating Leon Hall.

Apparantly Hall did himself a lot of favors in his workout. Branch however, not so much...

Since when did Branch have a bad workout? His combine numbers- albeit he did not do too much there mirrored those of Adam Carriker despite having 30 pounds on him. His numbers were also among the best among 300 pounders and up, despite him being the 2nd heaviest. Sure he didnt hold up too well at the pro day- per some sources. Does that workout alone negate all the fantastic tape on the guy? Branch is and was a monster on that line and routinely was double-teamed, only to still find his way into the backfield. He will be a ferocious 3-4 DE.And for Kiper not to have him on the big board is almost a travesty. EDIT: And where is Reggie Nelson?

 

[Chunky Soup]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

He's far from an idiot. Let's answer this question: Who's more qualified, you or Kiper?

 

[redman]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

He's far from an idiot. Let's answer this question: Who's more qualified, you or Kiper?

Nowadays, as opposed to 10+ years ago, the disparity between the information that Kiper has and that we have via the internet is quite small. Kiper's not an idiot, but OTOH he's simply a guy who started tracking and commenting upon college prospects for the NFL draft rather than having a true NFL background. What was Kiper saying about Desmond Howard and Peter Warrick?

 

[ImTheScientist]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

He's far from an idiot. Let's answer this question: Who's more qualified, you or Kiper?

Ginn reminds me of Joey Galloway. He's had a decent career. I would take Ginn as the second overall WR, especially because he does a lot more than the other WR's in this draft (Outside of CJ).

1) He will imediately be one of the best KR/PR's ..... so that helps your ST

2) He will strech the field

3) He will be a very good WR

Sure he will never be a 90 reception, #1 WR guy....like a TO, Holt, Harrison......but none of these other WR's outside of CJ will be either.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

He's far from an idiot. Let's answer this question: Who's more qualified, you or Kiper?

Nowadays, as opposed to 10+ years ago, the disparity between the information that Kiper has and that we have via the internet is quite small. Kiper's not an idiot, but OTOH he's simply a guy who started tracking and commenting upon college prospects for the NFL draft rather than having a true NFL background. What was Kiper saying about Desmond Howard and Peter Warrick?

If this is true there would be more Kiper Clones on TV. I think what the internet/loads of information has done is it allows fantasy football fan to begin to think they are the expert and know more than someone who has been in the buisness for 20 years. I don't read Accounting info on the net and go try to tell accountants they are idiots because I realize there is a reason they are in the position they are.

 

[zadok]

Ginn reminds me of Joey Galloway.

Galloway averaged 17.5 ypc over his collegiate career. Ginn averaged 15.5 (13.2 as the #1).He doesn't remind me of Galloway in the least.

 

[Two Deep]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

why all the hate for ginn?i've got him going to SF in the first.

His teammate Anthony Gonzales is a better pro prospect. Better hands, better route runner, smarter and damn near as fast.

 

[zadok]

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

why all the hate for ginn?i've got him going to SF in the first.

His teammate Anthony Gonzales is a better pro prospect. Better hands, better route runner, smarter and damn near as fast.

I think Gonzales and Steve Smith may be the best 2 values in the draft.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Ginn reminds me of Joey Galloway.

Galloway averaged 17.5 ypc over his collegiate career. Ginn averaged 15.5 (13.2 as the #1).He doesn't remind me of Galloway in the least.

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

why all the hate for ginn?i've got him going to SF in the first.

His teammate Anthony Gonzales is a better pro prospect. Better hands, better route runner, smarter and damn near as fast.

When teams are defending only people with GINN on their back, its hard to look bad when its not you. In other words, defenses were on Ginn like no other and tried to stop his YAC. Opened huge lanes for Pittman and left Gonz with easy coverage. And to say hes "damn near as fast" isn't close to the truth. Ginn would easily be in the Olympics if he opted to be.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Ginn reminds me of Joey Galloway.

Galloway averaged 17.5 ypc over his collegiate career. Ginn averaged 15.5 (13.2 as the #1).He doesn't remind me of Galloway in the least.

Galloway averaged 6.5 ypc rushing while Ginn averaged only 4.3 (3.2 as a #1, on reverse plays).Your right, forget that they both were great ST players w/ elite speed.....they don't remind me of eachother in the least.

 

[JimboJim]

I think the main point that is being overlooked is that this is Kiper's board; not a consensus of what is found most everywhere on the Internet or in print.

Think about it logically; aside from the top couple of prospects (Johnson, Thomas, Adams...), how many NFL team's boards are going to stack up the same come draft day. Look at the Bills last season; did anyone else have Donte Whitner rated as a top eight prospect, or higher? Maybe, maybe not. The simple fact is that every NFL team, and probably Mel Kiper, know more that 99% of the wannabee draftniks (myself included).

Aside from casual observation of college games, surfing the Internet for data, and performance test result like the combine and pro days, what more does the average person know about these players?

Scouts and people like Kiper do this as their living. They live and breathe pro prospects. They get to see these players firsthand, interview them, and spend hours and hours breaking down their game tapes.

I give them a lot of credit and if someone like Mel Kiper has Ted Ginn ranked as his 10th best prospect, but doesn't have Alan Branch on his board, I believe he has a good reason for it, and isn't just throwing darts.

Of course, wrong decisions will be made (look at all of the NFL draft busts), but overall, these guys really know what they are doing.

 

[Two Deep]

Ginn reminds me of Joey Galloway.

Galloway averaged 17.5 ypc over his collegiate career. Ginn averaged 15.5 (13.2 as the #1).He doesn't remind me of Galloway in the least.

The fact that he has Ted Ginn drafted as the 2nd WR, shows Kiper is an idiot. There should be at least 5 WR's picked before him and Jarrett. Now some horribly managed team will pick Ginn early and probably in round 2. They instantly expose themselves as incompetant.

why all the hate for ginn?i've got him going to SF in the first.

His teammate Anthony Gonzales is a better pro prospect. Better hands, better route runner, smarter and damn near as fast.

When teams are defending only people with GINN on their back, its hard to look bad when its not you. In other words, defenses were on Ginn like no other and tried to stop his YAC. Opened huge lanes for Pittman and left Gonz with easy coverage. And to say hes "damn near as fast" isn't close to the truth. Ginn would easily be in the Olympics if he opted to be.

I'm not talking college stats or performance, strictly skill set. College stardom doesn't guarantee NFL stardom as we have all witnessed

 

[kensat30]

Steve Smith at #17?

I know that I am in the minority, but I like Smith to have a better NFL career than Jarrett.

I agree with you. I like Steve Smith more than Jarrett as well. Big slow WRs just don't work in the NFL anymore.Jarrett's negatives on NFL.com sums it up best for me:

While he will compete for the ball in a crowd, he will struggle vs. strong press coverage and gets frustrated at times when he can't separate from the speedier cornerbacks … Lacks the overall strength to defeat a strong jam and doesn't demonstrate the blazing speed or suddenness getting into his routes … Looks sluggish with his burst off the snap and relies more on his size mismatches than speed to get under the ball … A long strider rather than a receiver who takes short, quick steps … When he tries to lower his shoulder to run over a defensive back, that is when he gets into trouble, as he doesn't have the brute strength to break tackles.

Seems like another Reggie Williams.

 

[zadok]

Ginn reminds me of Joey Galloway.

Galloway averaged 17.5 ypc over his collegiate career. Ginn averaged 15.5 (13.2 as the #1).He doesn't remind me of Galloway in the least.

Galloway averaged 6.5 ypc rushing while Ginn averaged only 4.3 (3.2 as a #1, on reverse plays).Your right, forget that they both were great ST players w/ elite speed.....they don't remind me of eachother in the least.

Hence, I said Ginn could be a great return man, but not a great WR. Galloway was a much better WR in college in addition to a returner.