Merriman Conspiracy Theory........ (2 Viewers)

[Stinkin Ref]

None of us are surprised that Merriman dropped his appeal and here is why.....

I am Merriman and I have decided I am going to take a chance and cheat and take nandralone (shoot it, whatever).

And since I am doing this and taking a chance of getting caught, I am also going to take a "supplement" that I know has nandralone (even though later I will say I didn't know if I get caught).

I get caught.

I apologize and admit my mistake.

Oh wait, my teams defense is depleted, I will appeal (enter supplement excuse) so I can play until some of my teammates get healthy.

I will say it was unknowingly in a supplement that I took, which is true, because I planned it that way. But now I look like an innocent victim, even though I was shooting it up anyway. The supplement thing doesn't make me look like such a "bad guy".

Oh now my appeal is coming up, I will just drop my appeal because I know the tests will probably show that I had more in my system then just what the supplement would have contained. But the public will never know that since I dropped my appeal and now I am going to serve my suspension.

In the meantime, I got to play another game when my team needed me.....and I look like a victim of the dreaded supplement thing.......

"Aw Shawn just took a supplement that he didn't know contained nandralone"...."poor guy, happens to a lot of us, you just never know what's in those things"

NFL only suspends me for 4 games maybe in part because it was in a supplement....even though I was really shootin it....

Life is good....

not saying this is what happened, but if I was an NFl'er and I was going to take the chance and use steriods, this is how I would do it....

 

[acefootball]

I'd hate to be the team that has to play against him when he comes off of suspension. That guy was a beast last Sunday.

 

[CrossEyed]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I'd hate to be the team that has to play against him when he comes off of suspension. That guy was a beast last Sunday.

And the Rams shouldn't have had to see him on the field.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I think Merriman knew exactly was in this supplement and that is whay he chose that supplement....it was going to be his way of not looking like such a bad guy if he ended up getting caught.........

 

[redman]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

 

[bryhamm]

And he know is out for the OAK game and played in the STL game ... nice exchange there.

And he is back before the 2nd game against DEN.

 

[UCLAGIE]

nice theory but Merriman had the appeal in the place before Phillips was injured

 

[BoltzNBrew]

I'd hate to be the team that has to play against him when he comes off of suspension. That guy was a beast last Sunday.

Poor Bills

 

[tommyGunZ]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

 

[redman]

nice theory but Merriman had the appeal in the place before Phillips was injured

I believe he has only a limited window of time within which to file an appeal, so it tends to be done as a matter of course knowing full well that it can be withdrawn at any time thereafter.

 

[redman]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

You're not nearly this credulous on political matters.

 

[Texican]

I'd hate to be the team that has to play against him when he comes off of suspension. That guy was a beast last Sunday.

Yes he was....serious roid raging out there.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

nice theory but Merriman had the appeal in the place before Phillips was injured

doesn't almost everyone automatically say they are going to appeal anymore.......it's a given....he backed out cause he knew he was caught and he would look worse if he followed through with the appeal....because the evidence would probably show it wasn't just from a supplement......

 

[TwinTurbo]

As I posted in another thread, it is very unlikely that Merriman took a supplement that contained actual nandrolone. No such supplements exist and they would be illegal for sale in the U.S. Nandrolone is a Schedule III controlled substance. There are also no oral versions of nandrolone commercially available. It is only available as an injectable steroid.

Now before the US banned the sale of prohormones (Andro, etc), you could buy supplements that contained 19-Noradrostenedione or 19-Norandrostenediol. 19-Nor is the hormone precursor for nandrolone, just like Andro is a precursor for Testosterone. The liver can covert small amounts of 19-Nor into Nandrolone. Maybe even enough to cause a positive test. But these supplements are also no longer legal for sale in the US and they have a very low low oral efficacy.

So I believe it could be possible (although not probable) that Merriman took a gray market supplement that contained 19-Nor which triggered a positive test. But the more likely scenario is that he injected Deca or some other Nandrolone based anabolic steroid.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

You're not nearly this credulous on political matters.

In political matters the motivations are often more transparent.Here, Merriman would have to be a moron to intentionally take supplements containing a banned substance considering the NFL drug policy. After following Merriman for ~ 1.5 years, I don't think he's a moron.The risk doesn't equal the reward here - Merriman was already a dominant player. I just fail to see the motivation.

 

[tommyGunZ]

nice theory but Merriman had the appeal in the place before Phillips was injured

doesn't almost everyone automatically say they are going to appeal anymore.......it's a given....he backed out cause he knew he was caught and he would look worse if he followed through with the appeal....because the evidence would probably show it wasn't just from a supplement......

He backed out because even if he proved it came from a supplement, he's still going to be suspended for 4 games. His ignorance of the supplement's makeup is not an excuse for failing a test.

 

[a_rackowski]

If your willing to put your body at risk in order to win a title for your team, I do not have an issue with it. That is his decision and his alone. Besides that, I think there are alot more dangerous things that people in the NFL are doing. Like Driving drunk. Whatever he did, he is having an outstanding season and is helping the Chargers become one of the NFLs elite. To the people that say he is cheating, so are offensive linemen when they hold. So are WR who might use Stickem on their hands. To some people winning is everything, and I respect that.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Merriman is gaming the system a bit by dropping the appeal this week. If the Chargers were playing Denver instead of Cleveland in week nine, he would not be dropping his appeal. It's his right to appeal, and it's his right to drop the appeal; I don't think he's doing anything wrong by gaming the system in this way, but I do think that's what he's doing.

I believe that he tested positive based on having taken an over-the-counter supplement rather than shooting a needle into his butt, but my speculation on that point is worth no more than anyone else's.

 

[CrossEyed]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

I didn't ask if you knew, I asked if you believed.

 

[gman8343]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

In the end, it doesn't matter whether they know or not. What every player IS aware of is they are responsible for everything they put in their body. It is their duty to know this, and if they screw up, it's entirely on their heads unless someone "snuck" something in and lied to them about what it was.

 

[flapgreen]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

:X I'm actually sickened every time one of these chumps, whether it be NFL or another sport, gets caught and always tries to push it off on some BS supplement they took unknowingly. HELLO MCFLY! You're not that stupid and neither are we. Will anyone ever step up and be a man about it and admit it. Gimme a break you stone cold liars.

 

[Sopranos]

I thought i saw he was injured Sunday and may not play. Then all of the sudden that story was gone and he was dropping his appeal.. If he feels strongly about the appeal he should stick with it. If he is injured he is just a low life..IMO If he did nothing wrong then stand by it

 

[flapgreen]

As I posted in another thread, it is very unlikely that Merriman took a supplement that contained actual nandrolone. No such supplements exist and they would be illegal for sale in the U.S. Nandrolone is a Schedule III controlled substance. There are also no oral versions of nandrolone commercially available. It is only available as an injectable steroid. Now before the US banned the sale of prohormones (Andro, etc), you could buy supplements that contained 19-Noradrostenedione or 19-Norandrostenediol. 19-Nor is the hormone precursor for nandrolone, just like Andro is a precursor for Testosterone. The liver can covert small amounts of 19-Nor into Nandrolone. Maybe even enough to cause a positive test. But these supplements are also no longer legal for sale in the US and they have a very low low oral efficacy. So I believe it could be possible (although not probable) that Merriman took a gray market supplement that contained 19-Nor which triggered a positive test. But the more likely scenario is that he injected Deca or some other Nandrolone based anabolic steroid.

Deca is not something you're gonna find in any supplement. The general public doesn't know this however. I still can't believe somebody hasn't called all of these fakes out on that nonsense. It's an illegal steroid for crying out loud.

 

[redman]

As I posted in another thread, it is very unlikely that Merriman took a supplement that contained actual nandrolone. No such supplements exist and they would be illegal for sale in the U.S. Nandrolone is a Schedule III controlled substance. There are also no oral versions of nandrolone commercially available. It is only available as an injectable steroid. Now before the US banned the sale of prohormones (Andro, etc), you could buy supplements that contained 19-Noradrostenedione or 19-Norandrostenediol. 19-Nor is the hormone precursor for nandrolone, just like Andro is a precursor for Testosterone. The liver can covert small amounts of 19-Nor into Nandrolone. Maybe even enough to cause a positive test. But these supplements are also no longer legal for sale in the US and they have a very low low oral efficacy. So I believe it could be possible (although not probable) that Merriman took a gray market supplement that contained 19-Nor which triggered a positive test. But the more likely scenario is that he injected Deca or some other Nandrolone based anabolic steroid.

Deca is not something you're gonna find in any supplement. The general public doesn't know this however. I still can't believe somebody hasn't called all of these fakes out on that nonsense. It's an illegal steroid for crying out loud.

There's a very simple solution, BTW. Have hte player or his rep name the actual supplement that they say is to blame. I guarantee you that if they're lying they'll get served with a lawsuit from the company making that supplement before the end of that press conference.

 

[monkeysee]

I'd hate to be the team that has to play against him when he comes off of suspension. That guy was a beast last Sunday.

Who cares, he cheated to become what he is.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

oK, let's put it this way. Knowing what you know about numerous nfl players banned for taking illegal substances in 'supplements' how would you characterize the intelligence/motives of a player who continues to use 'supplements' with unknown substances in them?

 

[flapgreen]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

oK, let's put it this way. Knowing what you know about numerous nfl players banned for taking illegal substances in 'supplements' how would you characterize the intelligence/motives of a player who continues to use 'supplements' with unknown substances in them?

 

[coolnerd]

I thought i saw he was injured Sunday and may not play. Then all of the sudden that story was gone and he was dropping his appeal.. If he feels strongly about the appeal he should stick with it. If he is injured he is just a low life..IMO If he did nothing wrong then stand by it

This is the story floating around Dallas area radio. Merriman would be out or questioanable for the next couple of weeks so he is dropping the appeal.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I thought i saw he was injured Sunday and may not play. Then all of the sudden that story was gone and he was dropping his appeal.. If he feels strongly about the appeal he should stick with it. If he is injured he is just a low life..IMO If he did nothing wrong then stand by it

This is the story floating around Dallas area radio. Merriman would be out or questioanable for the next couple of weeks so he is dropping the appeal.

Where do people come up with this stuff? He was not injured. And it's no surprise that he's dropping his appeal so he can play in the second Denver game. It was widely discussed before the Rams game (check any Chargers message board).

 

[tommyGunZ]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

oK, let's put it this way. Knowing what you know about numerous nfl players banned for taking illegal substances in 'supplements' how would you characterize the intelligence/motives of a player who continues to use 'supplements' with unknown substances in them?

I think Merriman should have been safe and only used supplements approved by the NFL. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the line of supplements approved by the NFL, so it's difficult to comment on Merriman's reasons for using over the counter supplements not approved by the NFL, as is the rumor.Merriman was dominant in college, dominant at the combine, dominant as a rookie, and dominant through this half season. I don't understand why he would begin using one of the most well known and easily detectable steriods when he knows he's being tested, and while he's playing at an extremely high level without steroids. Makes no logical sense.

 

[mad sweeney]

I'd hate to be the team that has to play against him when he comes off of suspension. That guy was a beast last Sunday.

And the Rams shouldn't have had to see him on the field.

I'm sure everyone that had to face Leonard Little when playing against the Rams felt the same way.

 

[bbuster]

I thought i saw he was injured Sunday and may not play. Then all of the sudden that story was gone and he was dropping his appeal.. If he feels strongly about the appeal he should stick with it. If he is injured he is just a low life..IMO If he did nothing wrong then stand by it

This is the story floating around Dallas area radio. Merriman would be out or questioanable for the next couple of weeks so he is dropping the appeal.

Where do people come up with this stuff? He was not injured. And it's no surprise that he's dropping his appeal so he can play in the second Denver game. It was widely discussed before the Rams game (check any Chargers message board).

I was watching the game and I thought he went out with an injury also. I was actually thinking at the time that if he was actually injured that he would probably drop the appeal and get the suspension over with. Does anyone who is hearing the injury "rumors" know what the injury is? I admit that I know nothing about steriods, but I do know that supplements are not regulalted by the FDA, so I wouldn't find it surprising that something could be unknown in the supplement.

 

[BoltBacker]

If he is injured he is just a low life..

This actually made me chuckle. Well done.

 

[BoltBacker]

NFL only suspends me for 4 games maybe in part because it was in a supplement...

?????

 

[flapgreen]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

oK, let's put it this way. Knowing what you know about numerous nfl players banned for taking illegal substances in 'supplements' how would you characterize the intelligence/motives of a player who continues to use 'supplements' with unknown substances in them?

I think Merriman should have been safe and only used supplements approved by the NFL. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the line of supplements approved by the NFL, so it's difficult to comment on Merriman's reasons for using over the counter supplements not approved by the NFL, as is the rumor.Merriman was dominant in college, dominant at the combine, dominant as a rookie, and dominant through this half season. I don't understand why he would begin using one of the most well known and easily detectable steriods when he knows he's being tested, and while he's playing at an extremely high level without steroids. Makes no logical sense.

For that type of money, most people will do just about anything. We're talking about millions here. There's a lot of pressure on these guys to stay on the field when they're making that type of money. I'm sure many more players do it than we would ever know. I'm just sick and tired of every guy that gets caught blaming it on some supplement that didn't know contained a banned substance or a cream they had no idea was a steroid. That's ridiculous. Do you actually think the guys playing at that level really have no clue about what they're taking? I know you can't believe this. As I stated earlier, Deca isn't found in any over the counter substance anyway. It's an illegal steroid.

 

[BoltBacker]

nice theory but Merriman had the appeal in the place before Phillips was injured

doesn't almost everyone automatically say they are going to appeal anymore.......it's a given...

So which side of the fence are you on now? Merriman appealed as some master plan so he could play the Rams(a non-conference opponent that has little to do with wild-card implications)???? Or everyone appeals? I'm not sure you can claim both. Your theories are seeming less credible to me the more you type.

 

[flapgreen]

I thought i saw he was injured Sunday and may not play. Then all of the sudden that story was gone and he was dropping his appeal.. If he feels strongly about the appeal he should stick with it. If he is injured he is just a low life..IMO If he did nothing wrong then stand by it

This is the story floating around Dallas area radio. Merriman would be out or questioanable for the next couple of weeks so he is dropping the appeal.

Where do people come up with this stuff? He was not injured. And it's no surprise that he's dropping his appeal so he can play in the second Denver game. It was widely discussed before the Rams game (check any Chargers message board).

I was watching the game and I thought he went out with an injury also. I was actually thinking at the time that if he was actually injured that he would probably drop the appeal and get the suspension over with. Does anyone who is hearing the injury "rumors" know what the injury is? I admit that I know nothing about steriods, but I do know that supplements are not regulalted by the FDA, so I wouldn't find it surprising that something could be unknown in the supplement.

They may not be regulated in a lot of ways but there's no way the FDA or government is allowing them to use illegal steroids in their products. If that was the case, every blockhead at the gym would know about it. It doesn't happen.

 

[BoltBacker]

They may not be regulated in a lot of ways but there's no way the FDA or government is allowing them to use illegal steroids in their products.

By "illegal" do you mean banned substances in the NFL or US? I doubt very much the FDA is spending time worrying about what substances are banned by the NFL. At least I hope not.

 

[flapgreen]

They may not be regulated in a lot of ways but there's no way the FDA or government is allowing them to use illegal steroids in their products.

By "illegal" do you mean banned substances in the NFL or US? I doubt very much the FDA is spending time worrying about what substances are banned by the NFL. At least I hope not.

US. illegal steroids

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I thought i saw he was injured Sunday and may not play. Then all of the sudden that story was gone and he was dropping his appeal.. If he feels strongly about the appeal he should stick with it. If he is injured he is just a low life..IMO If he did nothing wrong then stand by it

This is the story floating around Dallas area radio. Merriman would be out or questioanable for the next couple of weeks so he is dropping the appeal.

Where do people come up with this stuff? He was not injured. And it's no surprise that he's dropping his appeal so he can play in the second Denver game. It was widely discussed before the Rams game (check any Chargers message board).

I was watching the game and I thought he went out with an injury also.

I've watched the game twice so far. Apparently no other Charger fans noticed an injury either, since I just checked the gameday thread at a Chargers message board and there was no mention of it. (There's no mention of it in the FBG gameday thread, either.) An injury to Merriman is the kind of thing people would mention.During what quarter do you think he went out with an injury? What body part do you think was injured?

 

[gkza]

Everyone knows Deca is a steroid. Ive know this since the mid 1990s.

If Merriman is smart enough to dog the suspension system, he damn well knows he is juicing. I resent how these guys think we are dumb. I could care less if guys are juicing, just do not insult my intelligence. i would have much more respect if these guys simply came correct and admitted it. Big deal. But to lie and act like hes the victim is chickensh*t. i dont care how big and tough this guy thinks he is. he is a #### who cant take it like a man...

 

[bbuster]

I thought i saw he was injured Sunday and may not play. Then all of the sudden that story was gone and he was dropping his appeal.. If he feels strongly about the appeal he should stick with it. If he is injured he is just a low life..IMO If he did nothing wrong then stand by it

This is the story floating around Dallas area radio. Merriman would be out or questioanable for the next couple of weeks so he is dropping the appeal.

Where do people come up with this stuff? He was not injured. And it's no surprise that he's dropping his appeal so he can play in the second Denver game. It was widely discussed before the Rams game (check any Chargers message board).

I was watching the game and I thought he went out with an injury also.

I've watched the game twice so far. Apparently no other Charger fans noticed an injury either, since I just checked the gameday thread at a Chargers message board and there was no mention of it. (There's no mention of it in the FBG gameday thread, either.) An injury to Merriman is the kind of thing people would mention.During what quarter do you think he went out with an injury? What body part do you think was injured?

Honestly, I don't remember. I'm thinking it was late in the game. I saw him come off the field and he was sitting on the bench with a trainer looking at him. The announcers mentioned it initially, but then I didn't hear anything more. I was also doing a lot of channel flipping with the ticket. If no one is talking about it, then it must not have been anything significant. Like I said, it just crossed my mind that if he was actually injured, it would be a good time to drop the appeal.

 

[TitusIII]

When the first thing you do after being busted is hire an agent/spin-doctor, you're ####ed...

 

[Raskell5]

As I posted in another thread, it is very unlikely that Merriman took a supplement that contained actual nandrolone. No such supplements exist and they would be illegal for sale in the U.S. Nandrolone is a Schedule III controlled substance. There are also no oral versions of nandrolone commercially available. It is only available as an injectable steroid. Now before the US banned the sale of prohormones (Andro, etc), you could buy supplements that contained 19-Noradrostenedione or 19-Norandrostenediol. 19-Nor is the hormone precursor for nandrolone, just like Andro is a precursor for Testosterone. The liver can covert small amounts of 19-Nor into Nandrolone. Maybe even enough to cause a positive test. But these supplements are also no longer legal for sale in the US and they have a very low low oral efficacy. So I believe it could be possible (although not probable) that Merriman took a gray market supplement that contained 19-Nor which triggered a positive test. But the more likely scenario is that he injected Deca or some other Nandrolone based anabolic steroid.

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anybody that believes that these guys don't know what they put in their bodies has obviously never been any kind of athlete. I wasn't any kind of pro anything, yet when I wrestled I knew EXACTLY what went into my body at ALL TIMES!!!!!!!!!!! Good bad or indifferent. These guys know exactly what they are taking and if they are trusting someone else to "Give" them something and not checking it out first, then they deserve whatever happens to them

 

[Sopranos]

If he is injured he is just a low life..

This actually made me chuckle. Well done.

Glad i could help

 

[smcindoe]

Guys, it was an innocent mistake. It could happen to anyone. Just bad luck.

I know this because I watched the SD game on Sunday, and the announcers said so. Over, and over, and over...

 

[JohnnyU]

If your willing to put your body at risk in order to win a title for your team, I do not have an issue with it. That is his decision and his alone. Besides that, I think there are alot more dangerous things that people in the NFL are doing. Like Driving drunk. Whatever he did, he is having an outstanding season and is helping the Chargers become one of the NFLs elite. To the people that say he is cheating, so are offensive linemen when they hold. So are WR who might use Stickem on their hands. To some people winning is everything, and I respect that.

Oh for God's sake man. I can't believe anyone would feel the way you do. What about young kids who are influenced by these athletes who shoot up 'roids? How can you compare something like taking steroids to holding on the OL as equal in cheating, and that's not counting what that s--t does to your body long term. Your last statement takes the cake. You are essentially saying you respect people who cheat.

 

[coolnerd]

I thought i saw he was injured Sunday and may not play. Then all of the sudden that story was gone and he was dropping his appeal.. If he feels strongly about the appeal he should stick with it. If he is injured he is just a low life..IMO If he did nothing wrong then stand by it

This is the story floating around Dallas area radio. Merriman would be out or questioanable for the next couple of weeks so he is dropping the appeal.

Where do people come up with this stuff? He was not injured. And it's no surprise that he's dropping his appeal so he can play in the second Denver game. It was widely discussed before the Rams game (check any Chargers message board).

I was watching the game and I thought he went out with an injury also.

I've watched the game twice so far. Apparently no other Charger fans noticed an injury either, since I just checked the gameday thread at a Chargers message board and there was no mention of it. (There's no mention of it in the FBG gameday thread, either.) An injury to Merriman is the kind of thing people would mention.During what quarter do you think he went out with an injury? What body part do you think was injured?

Honestly, I don't remember. I'm thinking it was late in the game. I saw him come off the field and he was sitting on the bench with a trainer looking at him. The announcers mentioned it initially, but then I didn't hear anything more. I was also doing a lot of channel flipping with the ticket. If no one is talking about it, then it must not have been anything significant. Like I said, it just crossed my mind that if he was actually injured, it would be a good time to drop the appeal.

I rumor I heard was an ankle. I did not watch the game, so I will trust M. Tremblay as I have been around long enough to know he is on top on most things Chargers.

 

[massraider]

Does anyone believe for a minute that these guys don't know what's in the supplements they are taking?

I have no idea, and neither do you.

oK, let's put it this way. Knowing what you know about numerous nfl players banned for taking illegal substances in 'supplements' how would you characterize the intelligence/motives of a player who continues to use 'supplements' with unknown substances in them?

I think Merriman should have been safe and only used supplements approved by the NFL. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the line of supplements approved by the NFL, so it's difficult to comment on Merriman's reasons for using over the counter supplements not approved by the NFL, as is the rumor.Merriman was dominant in college, dominant at the combine, dominant as a rookie, and dominant through this half season. I don't understand why he would begin using one of the most well known and easily detectable steriods when he knows he's being tested, and while he's playing at an extremely high level without steroids. Makes no logical sense.

Well, unless he's been using them since college, and only just got caught now.