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[RBM]

Starting to think its safe to emerge from under the rock we have been hiding for the past month.

Whats on the agenda realistically?

Poking around at Posada?

Alou is back.

Glavine is gone.

How do we even begin to put the pieces back together after the collapse?

 

[ooofffaaa]

Starting to think its safe to emerge from under the rock we have been hiding for the past month.

Whats on the agenda realistically? - Hopefully a trade for #1 or #2 SP and some middle relief help. Good news is that Duaner Sanchez has started playing winter ball.

Poking around at Posada? - He'll be 37 next summer. Please do not give him a 3 or 4 year deal. The Yankees will never let him sign with the Mets anyway. Resign LoDuca and have him split the job with Castro

Alou is back. - At 7.5 million even if he plays half the season he's a bargain. Alou can still hit.

Glavine is gone. - Good riddance you spineless piece of garbage.

How do we even begin to put the pieces back together after the collapse? - Hopefully they learned a valuable lesson from one of the most embarassing collapses in baseball history.

 

[posty]

I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow landed A-Rod...

 

[ooofffaaa]

I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow landed A-Rod...

I know I'm in the minority here but I don't want him.With the Mets moving into their new stadium in 2009 and the success of their new sports network SNY they will definitely have the $$$ to get it done.But at what expense?Move Wright to 2B then to 1B after a year? What's next? LF and then launching Tshirts into the crowd during the 7th inning stretch? LEAVE David Wright at 3B for the next 10 years.Take the 30-35 million per year they'd give to Arod and find yoursefl a solid #2 SP and some middle relief help.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow landed A-Rod...

I know I'm in the minority here but I don't want him.With the Mets moving into their new stadium in 2009 and the success of their new sports network SNY they will definitely have the $$$ to get it done.But at what expense?Move Wright to 2B then to 1B after a year? What's next? LF and then launching Tshirts into the crowd during the 7th inning stretch? LEAVE David Wright at 3B for the next 10 years.Take the 30-35 million per year they'd give to Arod and find yoursefl a solid #2 SP and some middle relief help.

Finding a solid #2 SP will probably require a trade. Here's a thought. Sign A-Rod. Trade Reyes and other pieces to Twins for Santana. Have A-Rod play SS.You want to talk about spineless. Check Reyes pre and post All-Star game numbers and then check out Glavines.

 

[ooofffaaa]

I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow landed A-Rod...

I know I'm in the minority here but I don't want him.With the Mets moving into their new stadium in 2009 and the success of their new sports network SNY they will definitely have the $$$ to get it done.But at what expense?Move Wright to 2B then to 1B after a year? What's next? LF and then launching Tshirts into the crowd during the 7th inning stretch? LEAVE David Wright at 3B for the next 10 years.Take the 30-35 million per year they'd give to Arod and find yoursefl a solid #2 SP and some middle relief help.

Finding a solid #2 SP will probably require a trade. Here's a thought. Sign A-Rod. Trade Reyes and other pieces to Twins for Santana. Have A-Rod play SS.You want to talk about spineless. Check Reyes pre and post All-Star game numbers and then check out Glavines.

Trade Reyes for a 1 year rental? Trade or not Santana will test the open market after the 2008 season.Reyes was bad down the stretch but he's 24 years old. The veteran Glavine gave us NOTHING his last 3 starts of the year. His performance on the last day of the regular season (1/3 IP - 7 ER) was pathetic.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

2. I like Pedro-Maine-Perez. That's a hell of a 1-2-3 punch, but they need another arm.

3. Unless it's a 2 year deal (not happening) I wouldn't touch Posada with a 20 foot pole.

4. A-Rod is not the answer for this team, but an infield of him, Wright, Reyes and Delgado is scary.

5. If A-Rod is not possible, and he probably isn't, you need a slugger in that OF. Green and Alou should platoon, not start in the corners of your OF.

 

[posty]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

I thought Mota was the savior for you guys when he got back from his suspension??

 

[Tremendous Upside]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

I thought Mota was the savior for you guys when he got back from his suspension??

Mota was awful last year...No idea why Minaya signed him prior to 07 (and to a multi year deal, no less)...He's the poster boy for how steroids can improve pitching performance IMO

 

[ooofffaaa]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

I thought Mota was the savior for you guys when he got back from his suspension??

Mota was awful last year...No idea why Minaya signed him prior to 07 (and to a multi year deal, no less)...He's the poster boy for how steroids can improve pitching performance IMO

Please don't feed the Braves fan. Let them worry about Tex walking after 2008.Mota needs to do a few cycles before spring training starts to get back into form.

 

[posty]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

I thought Mota was the savior for you guys when he got back from his suspension??

Mota was awful last year...No idea why Minaya signed him prior to 07 (and to a multi year deal, no less)...

He's the poster boy for how steroids can improve pitching performance IMO

Please don't feed the Braves fan. Let them worry about Tex walking after 2008.Mota needs to do a few cycles before spring training starts to get back into form.

Just reiterating what was said in late May...http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6812298

 

[Deranged Hermit]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

I thought Mota was the savior for you guys when he got back from his suspension??

Mota was awful last year...No idea why Minaya signed him prior to 07 (and to a multi year deal, no less)...

He's the poster boy for how steroids can improve pitching performance IMO

Please don't feed the Braves fan. Let them worry about Tex walking after 2008.Mota needs to do a few cycles before spring training starts to get back into form.

Just reiterating what was said in late May...http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=6812298

I was wrong.....

 

[RBM]

Francesa mentioned that Oakland does indeed like Milledge. He will go for a pitcher I would assume.

Also Castillo and LoDuca will probably be back.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Francesa mentioned that Oakland does indeed like Milledge. He will go for a pitcher I would assume. Also Castillo and LoDuca will probably be back.

LoDuca Castillo As for Milledge, I think he'd do well in Oakland.

 

[RBM]

Whats Harden's deal? Cant stay healthy huh

Wonder if Milledge would bring him or a Blanton?

 

[Wrigley]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

2. I like Pedro-Maine-Perez. That's a hell of a 1-2-3 punch, but they need another arm.

3. Unless it's a 2 year deal (not happening) I wouldn't touch Posada with a 20 foot pole.

4. A-Rod is not the answer for this team, but an infield of him, Wright, Reyes and Delgado is scary.

5. If A-Rod is not possible, and he probably isn't, you need a slugger in that OF. Green and Alou should platoon, not start in the corners of your OF.

Yea, that SOUNDS strong.........Until Pedro gets hurt

 

[Deranged Hermit]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

2. I like Pedro-Maine-Perez. That's a hell of a 1-2-3 punch, but they need another arm.

3. Unless it's a 2 year deal (not happening) I wouldn't touch Posada with a 20 foot pole.

4. A-Rod is not the answer for this team, but an infield of him, Wright, Reyes and Delgado is scary.

5. If A-Rod is not possible, and he probably isn't, you need a slugger in that OF. Green and Alou should platoon, not start in the corners of your OF.

Yea, that SOUNDS strong.........Until Pedro gets hurt

That's why I said we need one more arm. They could get by with El Duque or Pelfrey or Humber as their number 5 SP.

 

[posty]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

2. I like Pedro-Maine-Perez. That's a hell of a 1-2-3 punch, but they need another arm.

3. Unless it's a 2 year deal (not happening) I wouldn't touch Posada with a 20 foot pole.

4. A-Rod is not the answer for this team, but an infield of him, Wright, Reyes and Delgado is scary.

5. If A-Rod is not possible, and he probably isn't, you need a slugger in that OF. Green and Alou should platoon, not start in the corners of your OF.

Yea, that SOUNDS strong.........Until Pedro gets hurt

That's why I said we need one more arm. They could get by with El Duque or Pelfrey or Humber as their number 5 SP.

LOL @ Maine... Gotta love his 5-6, 5.53 ERA after the ASB this year...

 

[curta269]

I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow landed A-Rod...

I know I'm in the minority here but I don't want him.With the Mets moving into their new stadium in 2009 and the success of their new sports network SNY they will definitely have the $$$ to get it done.But at what expense?Move Wright to 2B then to 1B after a year? What's next? LF and then launching Tshirts into the crowd during the 7th inning stretch? LEAVE David Wright at 3B for the next 10 years.Take the 30-35 million per year they'd give to Arod and find yoursefl a solid #2 SP and some middle relief help.

Finding a solid #2 SP will probably require a trade. Here's a thought. Sign A-Rod. Trade Reyes and other pieces to Twins for Santana. Have A-Rod play SS.You want to talk about spineless. Check Reyes pre and post All-Star game numbers and then check out Glavines.

This is really a good idea, if they could negotiate with him for an extension before the trade is completed.

 

[ooofffaaa]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

2. I like Pedro-Maine-Perez. That's a hell of a 1-2-3 punch, but they need another arm.

3. Unless it's a 2 year deal (not happening) I wouldn't touch Posada with a 20 foot pole.

4. A-Rod is not the answer for this team, but an infield of him, Wright, Reyes and Delgado is scary.

5. If A-Rod is not possible, and he probably isn't, you need a slugger in that OF. Green and Alou should platoon, not start in the corners of your OF.

Yea, that SOUNDS strong.........Until Pedro gets hurt

That's why I said we need one more arm. They could get by with El Duque or Pelfrey or Humber as their number 5 SP.

LOL @ Maine... Gotta love his 5-6, 5.53 ERA after the ASB this year...

Maine is our #3 and developing nicely.I'd certainly take him over the likes of Chuck James, Buddy Carlyle, Kyle Davies & Jo Jo Reyes.

What's the buzz in Atlanta over Tom Glavine? Are they going to take him back or kick him to the curb again and force him to pitch for the Nationals?

 

[posty]

1. We MUST shore up that Bullpen. Sanchez will help, but the pen cost the Mets the NL East last year.

2. I like Pedro-Maine-Perez. That's a hell of a 1-2-3 punch, but they need another arm.

3. Unless it's a 2 year deal (not happening) I wouldn't touch Posada with a 20 foot pole.

4. A-Rod is not the answer for this team, but an infield of him, Wright, Reyes and Delgado is scary.

5. If A-Rod is not possible, and he probably isn't, you need a slugger in that OF. Green and Alou should platoon, not start in the corners of your OF.

Yea, that SOUNDS strong.........Until Pedro gets hurt

That's why I said we need one more arm. They could get by with El Duque or Pelfrey or Humber as their number 5 SP.

LOL @ Maine... Gotta love his 5-6, 5.53 ERA after the ASB this year...

Maine is our #3 and developing nicely.I'd certainly take him over the likes of Chuck James, Buddy Carlyle, Kyle Davies & Jo Jo Reyes.

What's the buzz in Atlanta over Tom Glavine? Are they going to take him back or kick him to the curb again and force him to pitch for the Nationals?

Who knows... I know that Smoltzie wants him back in Atlanta...

 

[RBM]

Listening to Mike and Mad dog talking about the very longshot of the Rays trading Kazmir.

I dont believe I will ever get over that move. Gives me such a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Listening to Mike and Mad dog talking about the very longshot of the Rays trading Kazmir.I dont believe I will ever get over that move. Gives me such a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

Don't believe the Kazmir trade hype. The Rays have been talking about trading Crawford going on 3 years now.And yes the Kazmir trade still hurts to this day but worse trades have happened . . .Liriano, Bonzer & Nathan for A.J Pierzynski + cash to name one.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Listening to Mike and Mad dog talking about the very longshot of the Rays trading Kazmir.I dont believe I will ever get over that move. Gives me such a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

Beningo (sp?) was talking about it too. Something like Milledge, Humber and Pelfry for Kazmir.

 

[Balco]

If they could get Santana for Reyes (and obviously agree to an extension with Santana before the deal is done), the Mets should do it. AROD coming to Shea or not. The Mets pitching staff reeks. You have the opportunity to get a front line, dominant starting pitcher, you make the move.

 

[RBM]

Seems like its too good to be true

As per Mark Heyman:There are some rumblings that the Tigers are asking the Mets -- given their interest in A-Rod -- if they have any plans to deal Carlos Delgado, because if they do, seems that they would offer the Mets Placido Polanco or Carlos Guillen to play 2B in return.This is an exploratory thing, but interesting nonetheless...as it may be an indicator if the A-Rod chase is real.My two cents, I really like Guillen, but I think they'd rather keep him, even though he's only played 12 games or so in his career as a 2B....Polanco is a better fit for NY's needs, IMO.The talks, I'm told, could expand to include a reliever as well.

 

[RBM]

Santana may hit trading block

GMs await their chance to deal for a bona fide ace

Posted: Thursday November 8, 2007 1:31PM; Updated: Thursday November 8, 2007 7:07PM

The longer it takes Minnesota to reach a deal with Johan Santana, the more likely it appears the Twins will trade their ace.

AP

By Jon Heyman, SI.com

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Twins recently reopened negotiations with star pitcher Johan Santana, and in the likely event that the cost-conscious, small-market team fails to sign him soon, it is expected that baseball's best pitcher will hit the trade market.

Several competing general managers here said they are awaiting such a scenario and implied that they are ready to pounce on such a rare opportunity to land a clear ace.

The Twins recently have made Santana an offer, and the buzz going around the general manger meetings here is that Santana is unlikely to come to a quick agreement and much more likely to be traded. The availability of Santana would resurrect a weak pitching market.

The Twins are still talking to Santana, according to a league source. But multiple GMs here predicted that the Twins' chances to re-sign Santana, who can be a free agent after the 2008 season, are slim.

Sports Illustrated reported early in the season that the Twins offered Santana an extension for two years and an option for about $18 million per year, an offer that seemed quite low for a pitcher of his stature even at the time. The Twins' offers to free agents Torii Hunter ($45 million for three years) and Carlos Silva ($20 million for three years) also seem light in this thin market.

The top contract for a pitcher on a multiyear deal are Barry Zito's $126 million, seven-year contract and Carlos Zambrano's five-year, $91.5 million deal. But Santana is expected to receive $150 million or more as a free agent next year.

Mets GM Omar Minaya said in his press briefing on Thursday morning that he now believed top pitchers would be available. Minaya didn't say who he was referring to, but it appears that Marlins star Dontrelle Willis, who struggled badly in 2007 (10-15, 5.17 ERA), may be available as well.

Phillies GM Pat Gillick predicted on Thursday in USA Today that Santana "will be traded,'' though Gillick didn't explain how he came to that conclusion. It isn't believed that the Twins have begun taking trade offers yet.

In response to Gillick's short quote, a Twins official pointed out that "that isn't his player,'' and there's no way Gillick or anyone else could know that. Twins GM Bill Smith declined comment on Gillick's remark.

Santana's agent, Peter Greenberg, is out of the country and could not immediately be reached for comment.

Should Santana become available, the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, Red Sox, Cubs and Mariners would be expected to be among the chief pursuers. The Twins, who have done a terrific scouting job over the years, would be expected to request a stash of young players in return.

Find this article at:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...rade/index.html

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Seems like its too good to be true

As per Mark Heyman:

There are some rumblings that the Tigers are asking the Mets -- given their interest in A-Rod -- if they have any plans to deal Carlos Delgado, because if they do, seems that they would offer the Mets Placido Polanco or Carlos Guillen to play 2B in return.

This is an exploratory thing, but interesting nonetheless...as it may be an indicator if the A-Rod chase is real.

My two cents, I really like Guillen, but I think they'd rather keep him, even though he's only played 12 games or so in his career as a 2B....Polanco is a better fit for NY's needs, IMO.

The talks, I'm told, could expand to include a reliever as well.

Someone actually wants one of the Mets relief pitchers? As for the trade, I do that in a second.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Francesa mentioned that Oakland does indeed like Milledge. He will go for a pitcher I would assume. Also Castillo and LoDuca will probably be back.

I expected Harden to be the pitcher Oakland would be trading. From what I've read, it's Haren.

 

[Balco]

Francesa mentioned that Oakland does indeed like Milledge. He will go for a pitcher I would assume. Also Castillo and LoDuca will probably be back.

I expected Harden to be the pitcher Oakland would be trading. From what I've read, it's Haren.

It will take a lot more than LAsting Milledge to get Dan Haren. I don't think the MEts have the prospects the A's would want for Haren. Harden might be easier to pry only because of his extremely fragile health.

 

[bez18]

Billy Beane has been infatuated with Lastings Milledge for quite some time. If he brings us back a starter I'm all for moving him. Agreed, it would take A LOT more than just Milledge to get Haren, but you never know. Beane has inquired many times about Heilman as well. Throw him in and some youth and you may have a shot.

Joe Blanton is the name being tossed around here in NYC. Obviously not the same type of pitcher as Haren, but a big upgrade nonetheless.

Johan Santana -- I wish. If it took Reyes to get him and the Mets could sign him for a long-term deal, I'm all for it. I'm sorry. I love Reyes, but we're talking top of the rotation ACE here.

As for the Tigers inquiry about Delgado... this was the first I've heard about that. But I love it. And if we get back Guillen then he can play 1B or 2B.

I do NOT want LoDuca back... I am fine with Castro and am wondering why the Mets aren't looking at Barrett. The catchers are weaker and weaker... can't hurt.

 

[Balco]

I think out of all the pitchers the A's have, Harden would be the easiest to get (injuries).

Harden I would think would be untouchable, and Blanton would also cost quite a bit. If they Mets could get Blanton for Milledge and a pitcher, I would jump all over that. 27 years old and will give you 200 innings.

 

[RBM]

Sounds like Torrealba is going to be a Met. Boring, but him and Castro is a fine twosome.

Have a feeling we are going to wind up with Dontrelle Willis somehow.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Sounds like Torrealba is going to be a Met. Boring, but him and Castro is a fine twosome.Have a feeling we are going to wind up with Dontrelle Willis somehow.

Torrealba's hitting stats last year were: Games: 113Avg: .255HR: 8 RBI: 47Runs 47Home (at Coors Field):Games: 58Avg: .296HR: 6RBI: 34Runs: 32All this in 203 ABsAway:Games: 55Avg: .212HR: 2RBI: 13Runs: 15All this in 193 ABsI tend to think that this guy will be a collossal failure on any team other than Colorado where his good hitting at Coors makes him a good major league catcher at home.

 

[RBM]

Sounds like Torrealba is going to be a Met. Boring, but him and Castro is a fine twosome.Have a feeling we are going to wind up with Dontrelle Willis somehow.

Torrealba's hitting stats last year were: Games: 113Avg: .255HR: 8 RBI: 47Runs 47Home (at Coors Field):Games: 58Avg: .296HR: 6RBI: 34Runs: 32All this in 203 ABsAway:Games: 55Avg: .212HR: 2RBI: 13Runs: 15All this in 193 ABsI tend to think that this guy will be a collossal failure on any team other than Colorado where his good hitting at Coors makes him a good major league catcher at home.

But hes latino

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Sounds like Torrealba is going to be a Met. Boring, but him and Castro is a fine twosome.Have a feeling we are going to wind up with Dontrelle Willis somehow.

Torrealba's hitting stats last year were: Games: 113Avg: .255HR: 8 RBI: 47Runs 47Home (at Coors Field):Games: 58Avg: .296HR: 6RBI: 34Runs: 32All this in 203 ABsAway:Games: 55Avg: .212HR: 2RBI: 13Runs: 15All this in 193 ABsI tend to think that this guy will be a collossal failure on any team other than Colorado where his good hitting at Coors makes him a good major league catcher at home.

But hes latino

Sounds like this is a done deal according to the ESPN website.

 

[shadyridr]

Sounds like Torrealba is going to be a Met. Boring, but him and Castro is a fine twosome.Have a feeling we are going to wind up with Dontrelle Willis somehow.

Can somebody please tell me why they didnt just make Castro the fulltime starter? Hes a good hitting catcher and from what I know hes solid behind the plate as well.

 

[shadyridr]

Torrealba 3yrs, 15mil. IMO hell be the backup by 2009

 

[ack34]

Torrealba 3yrs, 15mil. IMO hell be the backup by 2009

I don't think he's being paid to be the starter. I think Castro catches 100 games next year.

 

[RBM]

Yea, I think Castro emerges in '08. Hopefully he stays healthy. Very good hitter

 

[ooofffaaa]

Sounds like Torrealba is going to be a Met. Boring, but him and Castro is a fine twosome.Have a feeling we are going to wind up with Dontrelle Willis somehow.

Can somebody please tell me why they didnt just make Castro the fulltime starter? Hes a good hitting catcher and from what I know hes solid behind the plate as well.

He's always getting hurt and they doubt he can carry the load for the entire season.Looks like it will be close to a 50/50 split with Castro & Torrealba

 

[RBM]

What the....

Saturday, November 17, 2007Mets break off talks with free-agent catcher Torrealba--------------------------------------------------------------------------------ESPN.com news servicesThe New York Mets, who have been trying to fill their big hole at catcher, Saturday said they have ended negotiations with free-agent catcher Yorvit Torrealba.Mets spokesman Jay Horowitz confirmed to Andrew Marchand of ESPN Radio 1050 that the Mets will not sign Torrealba and that there are no longer any discussions with him.Torrealba's agent, Melvin Roman, declined comment. The Mets had made a three-year, $14.4 million offer that Roman said Torrealba would accept.The 29-year-old Torrealba batted .255 with eight homers and 47 RBIs in 113 games for the Rockies this season. He was roundly praised for a deft touch in expertly handling Colorado's young pitchers.The Mets this week retained catcher Ramon Castro to be their backup again, and he would have stood to get more playing time behind Torrealba than he did behind Paul Lo Duca, the previous starter. Castro passed his physical Thursday after agreeing to a $4.6 million, two-year contract negotiated by agents Sam and Seth Levinson.This was the first time in Torrealba's seven-year major league career that he played more than 76 games. He is a .251 career hitter with 30 homers and 173 RBIs in 440 games.Torrealba got some clutch hits for the Rockies, batting .256 with a home run and eight RBIs during the postseason. He was much more productive all year at hitter-friendly Coors Field, batting .296 with six homers and 34 RBIs at home but only .212 with two home runs and 13 RBIs on the road.Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

 

[dparker713]

Cant say I actually wanted them to sign Torrealba, but then again the FA crop this year is pretty bad overall.

 

[shadyridr]

Thats a blessing in disguise for the Mets

 

[RBM]

Thats a blessing in disguise for the Mets

Barrett or LoDuca please

 

[Balco]

Thats a blessing in disguise for the Mets

Barrett or LoDuca please

Surprised at how far Barrett's stock has fallen. I think the Mets should make a play for him.

 

[RBM]

Sounds like Castillo will be back at 2nd

 

[shadyridr]

4 yrs? At least the Yanks blow long deals on Yankee icons that are good players.

 

[RBM]

4 yrs? At least the Yanks blow long deals on Yankee icons that are good players.

Thought that was weird too.His knees dont have 4 yrs left in them.

 

[ooofffaaa]

4 yrs? At least the Yanks blow long deals on Yankee icons that are good players.

So Castillo at 32 years old and getting a 4 year deal at 6 million per is a bad deal.But giving a 37 year old catcher a 4 year deal and a 38 year old closer a 3 year deal is OK?Given what's out there at 2B I'll take Castillo at a very reasonable 6 million per. Didn't require the Mets to trade any prospects to cover 2B.