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Miami Dolphins Defense (1 Viewer)

SproutDaddy

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With Saban gone what kind of defense will Miami be running? I know they ran some 3-4 hybrid with Saban right? I've been holding on to a couple of guys in a dynasty league (Matt Roth and Channing Crowder) that I am curious if they will pan out. I like Roth alot if they move back to a 4-3. Crowder is solid, and I feel he will only get better once Thomas retires and he moves to the middle. Can anyone shed light on this subject?

 
With Dom Capers still there as DC, I would expect more of the same from last year as far as play and schemes. For the off-season, they need to address their secondary since it has been getting more leaky each year. Also, it'll be interesting to see which guys they resign and keep from their veteran defensive line. So they do let Kevin Carter walk and start Roth? We'll see what they think of Roth soon though.

 
I'm hearing around these parts that Miami will stick w/ last year's hybrid 3-4. As for Roth, look for the Fins to let Carter walk and Roth to take on a huge chunk of Carter's playing time. Roth is a two way beast (run/pass) and he showed some signs of studlines last year. His greatest asset, imho, is his strong pass rush. He can blow past many tackles and can bull some over w/ brute strength. I'm really high on this guy and I expect him to be a reliable DE2 by seasons end.

 
Vonnie Holliday's re-signing probably ensures that the 07 scheme doesn't become more of a 3-4 look.
Not sure I understand what you mean. Holliday has played end AND tackle in the hybrid 3-4 for the last 2 years, I don't believe he is suited for end on a 4-3 def, so if anything this ensures the Fins will be in the 3-4 for the next few years.Sprout, Jason Allen wants to play some CB from what i've heard. I think he'll play both corner and some safety next year. Look for him to actually play. Saban drafted him and then sat his, which I don't really disagree with while the team still had a shot at the playoffs but after the week 10 or 11 elimination I'm not really sure why Saban didn't get him more time. :shrug: His signing late was a killer and I really think that after a full camp under his belt he will rebound and could be atleast as good as Donte Whitner or Mike Huff. Crowder has been an enigma. A better real life player then fantasy player especially for playing on the weak side. Thomas is a tackling machine from sideline to sideline, which definitly limits many of Crowders oppurtunities. Not to mention Crowder seems illsuited for this 3-4 defense. I think we can expect another year of mediocraty from him in terms of fantasy numbers but watch out when Thomas retires. Crowder has a nose for the ball and can make the big play he just needs to play in the middle if he is going to be in a 3-4 defense. I think the player to watch out for next year is Matt Roth. I keep pimping this guy mainly because he was a freak of nature any time he had a chance to play last year. He is a two way player run and pass. He seemingly has incredible strength and a strong sense of which moves to use on tackles. I really see him exploding next year and possibly moving Holliday insider permanently.
 
shake zula said:
Vonnie Holliday's re-signing probably ensures that the 07 scheme doesn't become more of a 3-4 look.
Not sure I understand what you mean. Holliday has played end AND tackle in the hybrid 3-4 for the last 2 years, I don't believe he is suited for end on a 4-3 def, so if anything this ensures the Fins will be in the 3-4 for the next few years.
You may have seen watched more of the 2006 games than I have, so please correct me if I'm wrong. In nearly every snap I watched in 2006, Holliday played a 3 technique tackle role. I agree with you, Holliday has proven himself only average as a 4-3 end in his last seasons in GB and then in KC. With Carter and Roth rotating on the closed end, though, I don't think Holliday played much end in 2006. I do remember reading that he got more time at end in 2005, especially earlier in the season.I believe Holliday was signed specifically to continue to play the 3-technique this year. They don't have anyone else ready to play that position; I'd think this signing suggests that Rod Wright may not be as ready to contribute as they hoped. The Dolphins certainly wouldn't have given Holliday this kind of money to play the closed end. I'm with you on Matt Roth, BTW, he looks like he could be successful on the closed end.We're probably arguing the same point anyway, shake. Saban's scheme is pretty interesting in that it's half 3-4 and half 4-3 on the line. It's probably correct to call it either one. My point was just that it's very unlikely with Holliday around that you're going to see a more traditional 3-4 with Roth and Holliday at end both lined up over the offensive tackles and Taylor with more LB responsibility than in 2006. That was the concern of some when Capers was brought back as the DC. I should have put "more of a 'traditional' 3-4" in my previous post.
 
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shake zula said:
Vonnie Holliday's re-signing probably ensures that the 07 scheme doesn't become more of a 3-4 look.
Not sure I understand what you mean. Holliday has played end AND tackle in the hybrid 3-4 for the last 2 years, I don't believe he is suited for end on a 4-3 def, so if anything this ensures the Fins will be in the 3-4 for the next few years.
You may have seen watched more of the 2006 games than I have, so please correct me if I'm wrong. In nearly every snap I watched in 2006, Holliday played a 3 technique tackle role. I agree with you, Holliday has proven himself only average as a 4-3 end in his last seasons in GB and then in KC. With Carter and Roth rotating on the closed end, though, I don't think Holliday played much end in 2006. I do remember reading that he got more time at end in 2005, especially earlier in the season.I believe Holliday was signed specifically to continue to play the 3-technique this year. They don't have anyone else ready to play that position; I'd think this signing suggests that Rod Wright may not be as ready to contribute as they hoped. The Dolphins certainly wouldn't have given Holliday this kind of money to play the closed end. I'm with you on Matt Roth, BTW, he looks like he could be successful on the closed end.

We're probably arguing the same point anyway, shake. Saban's scheme is pretty interesting in that it's half 3-4 and half 4-3 on the line. It's probably correct to call it either one. My point was just that it's very unlikely with Holliday around that you're going to see a more traditional 3-4 with Roth and Holliday at end both lined up over the offensive tackles and Taylor with more LB responsibility than in 2006. That was the concern of some when Capers was brought back as the DC. I should have put "more of a 'traditional' 3-4" in my previous post.
If this is what you meant then I agree 100%. In hindsight I think it is definitley fair to classify him as a DT, even though he sometimes lines up on the side w/ no down DE. But I do agree Miami will NOT move towards a more tradional 3-4 this year. If anything i'd expect to see a little less hybrid and a bit more 4-3 because I really think that is Roth's true specialty. The 3-4 though will probably extend JT career another few years so I can absolutly invision Miami keeping it as a partial base defense.
 
Certainly looks like Dom Capers wants his version of the zone blitz 3-4 in place after the Dolphins took advantage of Joey Porter's release. Could have some big ripples in IDP value. Vonnie Holliday's value takes a hit as a 3-4 end, as will any major sleeper value Matt Roth looked to have. And Jason Taylor may need to be re-classified as an OLB unless Capers wants to use Porter as a SLB on a significant percentage of downs.

 
Some notes from the local media blogs after Dolphins minicamp last weekend.

Starting Defense

LE Matt Roth, DT Vonnie Holliday, DT Keith Traylor, OE Jason Taylor, WLB Channing Crowder, MLB Zach Thomas, SLB Joey Porter, CB Will Allen, S Yeremiah Bell, S Renaldo Hill, CB Travis Daniels.

We learned not to fully trust the local media with regard to depth chart discussions after the NYJ business last year. This "alignment" would suggest that the Dolphins are going to lineup very similarly to the hybrid 3-4 they were in last year. Good news for Roth and Holliday owners. Jason Allen was the second team corner.

It seems like the Dolphins might have an eye on taking some of the load off Zach Thomas. Crowder and Porter were the nickel linebackers. Crowder is flying all over the field.

It'll be pretty interesting to see if this holds in live action. Thomas struggled some in coverage last year but Crowder gave way to Donnie Spragan in most nickel packages last year. It could be that the "load off" comment means that Miami doesn't want to overwork Thomas, who was dinged often last year with a back problem (I think).

 
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