And why coaches have no business explaining themselves to unruly mobs.More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
Fixed.And why coaches have no business explaining themselves to unruly drunk mobs.More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
Exactly what I was thinking... why did he try justisfy the angry mob with an answer. All it does is make him seem defensive and validate their argument. I can only guess to try and calm them down and protect Ginn who indirectly was taking a beating from the crowd. At least Cam's not a coward.And why coaches have no business explaining themselves to unruly mobs.
I think Miami made the right call, too.Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
Same here.I think Miami made the right call, too.Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
Me too. In the predraft Ginn thread started by Baca, I said I had him at #9 to Miami in my mock. Here.Same here.I think Miami made the right call, too.Ginn = Speed
Quinn = Stiff
I know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
Tim Brown was drafted #6 in large part due to his return game. He didn't exactly suck.BTW Beck will make you forget Quinn and you got him A LOT cheaper than CLE got Quinn.Ministry of Pain said:Ginn has lots of speed but you don't draft a return guy in the 1st 10 picks of the draft, sorry but you just don't do it.
Tim brown didn't exactly set the world on fire his 1st 3-5 seasons either. Also he was a different kind of WR than Ginn...built completely different.Tim Brown was drafted #6 in large part due to his return game. He didn't exactly suck.BTW Beck will make you forget Quinn and you got him A LOT cheaper than CLE got Quinn.Ministry of Pain said:Ginn has lots of speed but you don't draft a return guy in the 1st 10 picks of the draft, sorry but you just don't do it.
No they should hve traded down.Loan Sharks said:Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
Trading down isnt that easy. Who was another team going to trade up to get?They graded Beck as very close to Quinn. You dont draft a guy # 9 if you see a 2nd rounderthat is very close to him. I think they made the right call,even though I hated it at first.No they should hve traded down.Loan Sharks said:Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
Because you were in an actual NFL Draft warroom on Saturday and you know that they would have been able to do that and still get Ginn?Right.....Adam Scheffter (sp?) said on NFL Network the other night that if Miami didn't take Ginn at #9 that Houston would have taken him at #10..Sorry dude, but I'm gonna take his word over yours..No they should hve traded down.Loan Sharks said:Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
BS . They did nt want to be the laugh of the draft two years in a row , they would nt have taken Ginn .Ginn would have been there at the end of the 2nd or even third round he is a great returner but a very very average WR.Because you were in an actual NFL Draft warroom on Saturday and you know that they would have been able to do that and still get Ginn?Right.....Adam Scheffter (sp?) said on NFL Network the other night that if Miami didn't take Ginn at #9 that Houston would have taken him at #10..Sorry dude, but I'm gonna take his word over yours..No they should hve traded down.Loan Sharks said:Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
Because you were in an actual NFL Draft warroom on Saturday and you know that they would have been able to do that and still get Ginn?Right.....Adam Scheffter (sp?) said on NFL Network the other night that if Miami didn't take Ginn at #9 that Houston would have taken him at #10..Sorry dude, but I'm gonna take his word over yours..No they should hve traded down.Loan Sharks said:Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
BS . They did nt want to be the laugh of the draft two years in a row , they would nt have taken Ginn .Ginn would have been there at the end of the 2nd or even third round he is a great returner but a very very average WR.Because you were in an actual NFL Draft warroom on Saturday and you know that they would have been able to do that and still get Ginn?Right.....Adam Scheffter (sp?) said on NFL Network the other night that if Miami didn't take Ginn at #9 that Houston would have taken him at #10..Sorry dude, but I'm gonna take his word over yours..No they should hve traded down.Loan Sharks said:Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
They may have made the right call, but probably could have traded down 7-8 spots and still got Ginn.Chase Stuart said:I think Miami made the right call, too.Loan Sharks said:Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
Hou, SF (if Willis has gone to the team they traded with), St. L and GB all very easily could have taken Ginn and probably had him in the top 15 players if not 10 on their draft boards. I said it during the draft when Mia took Ginn and still stand by it now. Ginn was not going to fall out of the top 15 picks.They may have made the right call, but probably could have traded down 7-8 spots and still got Ginn.Chase Stuart said:I think Miami made the right call, too.Loan Sharks said:Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
This is where you don't get it. Mama Ginn will be the Dolphin's center for years, Papa Ginn will make a heck of a DE and Lil' Sis Ginn is a long snapper. The Dolphin's are getting the whole family -- BRILLIANT!Da Guru said:What does Ted Ginns family have to do with anything? CC kept talking about his family.
Ministry of Pain said:Ginn has lots of speed but you don't draft a return guy in the 1st 10 picks of the draft, sorry but you just don't do it. miami has lots and I mean lots of areas that need improving...trade down in a rich WR class and improve your team. Thomas and Jason Taylor are getting old...the DBs pretty much suck, and the OL is mediocre too...oh yeah and we still don't have a quality QB since Marino retired...oh yeah and we have no TE either...who is going to be Antonio Gates exactly...this team is going 4-12 this season and will be picking top10 again next year. They might go 0-6 in the division this year. NE is loaded, NY is still a lot better, and Buffalo is getting better...OK me might go 1-5 in the division.
Outside of being booed at the draft - what else happened to McNabb? I think this is MUCH worse. You have everyone at ESPN saying how the phins blew the draft and messed up. No one outside of the blue collar idiots here thought McNabb was a bad pick.Chaos Commish said:Me too. In the predraft Ginn thread started by Baca, I said I had him at #9 to Miami in my mock. Here.jurb26 said:Same here.Chase Stuart said:I think Miami made the right call, too.Loan Sharks said:Ginn = Speed
Quinn = Stiff
I know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
I'm not surprised by all the noise and foolishness because he's just one of those polarizing players. It happened to McNabb much worse.
Really? The average fan knew Ginn at 9 was a abd pick. I don't blame them for passing on Quinn... but they reached on Ginn. Badly.And in the second, they drafted the wost of the three available QBs.More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
That doesn't mean he would have been a good pick at any of those spots either.Hou, SF (if Willis has gone to the team they traded with), St. L and GB all very easily could have taken Ginn and probably had him in the top 15 players if not 10 on their draft boards. I said it during the draft when Mia took Ginn and still stand by it now. Ginn was not going to fall out of the top 15 picks.They may have made the right call, but probably could have traded down 7-8 spots and still got Ginn.Chase Stuart said:I think Miami made the right call, too.Loan Sharks said:Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
Disagree with all of that. Where do you think Ginn would have been drafted had MIA not chosen him? It's really anyones guess as to the QB's but it sounds to me like Beck is the perfect fit for the Cameron offense. An accurate passer that makes good decisions.Really? The average fan knew Ginn at 9 was a abd pick. I don't blame them for passing on Quinn... but they reached on Ginn. Badly.And in the second, they drafted the wost of the three available QBs.More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
CPep may not play this year. They don't HAVE Green and may not get him. Lemon? CLEO LEMON?Come on now.But aside from that, maybe they could limp along another year. But with an aging D and a poor excuse for an O-line -- you're telling me a speedy #2 WR/return guy was their highest need? This was an awful pick. They had other needs - it didn't need to be Quinn. But Ginn was a huge reach.I dunno as much about Beck -- although at 25, he makes me nervous. Still a QB can play for a long time - if they are good. Beck wasn't a bad pick as much as debatable one -- past Quinn, most boards diverged as to the #3, 4 and 5 QBs, from what I have heard.Personally I don't see why people are so bent that Miami NEEDED a qb. I think it is a area they could have improved on but they do have Culpepper who was able to play some last year, Lemon who was ok, and they already had a contract with Trent Green. I am just not buying that Miami needed Quinn over Green/Cpep/Lemon as much as they needed Ginn or any wr over Marty Booker.
No earlier than JAX. Everyone else had bigger things they needed - yes, even Houston.Disagree with all of that. Where do you think Ginn would have been drafted had MIA not chosen him?
we'll never know where ginn would have gone at if the dolphins hadn't reached for him. and beck, won't he be pushing 30 by the time he's ready to play? yeah, alot of value there.Disagree with all of that. Where do you think Ginn would have been drafted had MIA not chosen him? It's really anyones guess as to the QB's but it sounds to me like Beck is the perfect fit for the Cameron offense. An accurate passer that makes good decisions.Really? The average fan knew Ginn at 9 was a abd pick. I don't blame them for passing on Quinn... but they reached on Ginn. Badly.And in the second, they drafted the wost of the three available QBs.More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
It's not a matter of where Ginn would have gone, it's that he went at 9 to a team with greater needs.And as for QB, Beck may fit well into Cam's system, but he's the least physically talented of the three. Unless they are running a WCO with very short easy throws, I don't see Beck being very successful.Disagree with all of that. Where do you think Ginn would have been drafted had MIA not chosen him? It's really anyones guess as to the QB's but it sounds to me like Beck is the perfect fit for the Cameron offense. An accurate passer that makes good decisions.Really? The average fan knew Ginn at 9 was a abd pick. I don't blame them for passing on Quinn... but they reached on Ginn. Badly.And in the second, they drafted the wost of the three available QBs.More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
OK, there were still better players available if you were going BPA.You don't draft at number 9 for need. HTH.
Maybe. I don't really know.OK, there were still better players available if you were going BPA.You don't draft at number 9 for need. HTH.
Couldn't agree more with this one. As a Fins fan I'm not so unhappy they didn't take Quinn as disappointed that Ginn was the person they took. Ginn might turn into the next Hester or even S. Smith and I'll be completely wrong. With multiple glaring needs though I think they could have made a much safer pick.If you made a list of guys they needed, Ginn came right after Okoye, willis, Staley, and trade down (although they should have traded down for staley as well).
But you didn't say "They shouldn't have gone WR in the first round" you said they "reached" "Badly" for Ginn at #9. I disagree with that. He was projected to go 5-6 picks later and there are reports several teams were willing to take him just after the MIA pick... which would indicate to me that he's a talent that should go right around #9. I don't understand the stance that it was a reach. If you wouldnt' have gone WR that's fine(I'm with you in that I don't like WR's drafted early either and Davis wouldn't have been my pick for SD later in the first).It's not a matter of where Ginn would have gone, it's that he went at 9 to a team with greater needs.Disagree with all of that. Where do you think Ginn would have been drafted had MIA not chosen him? It's really anyones guess as to the QB's but it sounds to me like Beck is the perfect fit for the Cameron offense. An accurate passer that makes good decisions.Really? The average fan knew Ginn at 9 was a abd pick. I don't blame them for passing on Quinn... but they reached on Ginn. Badly.And in the second, they drafted the wost of the three available QBs.More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
Not sure about that one. That was a pissed off group that Cataldi brought to the draft for specifically that purpose, this seems a bit more widespread through the Miami fanbase.Chaos Commish said:It happened to McNabb much worse.
If you NEED a player who is worth taking in the Top 10, yes you do.I guess we'll just have to disagree, Chase. You got a top ten pick because you have gaping big holes (most of the time). You have problems. A top ten pick ain't a luxury. Indy gets to pick for luxury. Chicago gets to pick for luxury. New England. San Diego.Miami? IMO they shouldn't be doing that.You don't draft at number 9 for need. HTH.