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Miami fans wanted to lynch Cam Cameron (1 Viewer)

Unreal. It was difficult to watch the whole thing because it was embarrassing. I'm actually starting to feel badly for Tedd Ginn now.

 
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What does Ted Ginns family have to do with anything? CC kept talking about his family.

What a rough start for the new coach..CC looked rattled at the end.

 
And why coaches have no business explaining themselves to unruly mobs.
Exactly what I was thinking... why did he try justisfy the angry mob with an answer. All it does is make him seem defensive and validate their argument. I can only guess to try and calm them down and protect Ginn who indirectly was taking a beating from the crowd. At least Cam's not a coward.
 
Ginn = Speed

Quinn = Stiff

I know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.

 
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Miami takes Ginn at #9...meanwhile Carolina steals Dwayne Jarrett at #45 and then they release Keyshawn Johnson because they have so much confidence in the kid.

Ginn/Beck

Jarrett/Quinn

I'll take the two guys that have played in some of the biggest games in college football and against each other over the past 2-3 seasons.

Ginn has lots of speed but you don't draft a return guy in the 1st 10 picks of the draft, sorry but you just don't do it. miami has lots and I mean lots of areas that need improving...trade down in a rich WR class and improve your team. Thomas and Jason Taylor are getting old...the DBs pretty much suck, and the OL is mediocre too...oh yeah and we still don't have a quality QB since Marino retired...oh yeah and we have no TE either...who is going to be Antonio Gates exactly...this team is going 4-12 this season and will be picking top10 again next year. They might go 0-6 in the division this year. NE is loaded, NY is still a lot better, and Buffalo is getting better...OK me might go 1-5 in the division.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Ginn has lots of speed but you don't draft a return guy in the 1st 10 picks of the draft, sorry but you just don't do it.
Tim Brown was drafted #6 in large part due to his return game. He didn't exactly suck.BTW Beck will make you forget Quinn and you got him A LOT cheaper than CLE got Quinn.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Ginn has lots of speed but you don't draft a return guy in the 1st 10 picks of the draft, sorry but you just don't do it.
Tim Brown was drafted #6 in large part due to his return game. He didn't exactly suck.BTW Beck will make you forget Quinn and you got him A LOT cheaper than CLE got Quinn.
Tim brown didn't exactly set the world on fire his 1st 3-5 seasons either. Also he was a different kind of WR than Ginn...built completely different.
 
Loan Sharks said:
Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
No they should hve traded down.
Trading down isnt that easy. Who was another team going to trade up to get?They graded Beck as very close to Quinn. You dont draft a guy # 9 if you see a 2nd rounderthat is very close to him. I think they made the right call,even though I hated it at first.
 
As a dolphin fan I thought they should have drafted Okoye. If you made a list of guys they needed, Ginn came right after Okoye, willis, Staley, and trade down (although they should have traded down for staley as well).

Fans had a right t be pissed. When for the past 7-10 years your front office has looked like it has been run by clowns, you get that way. Dolphin fans still remember being a meaningful franchise. They don't like being mentioned in the same sentence as Detroit and Arizona.

 
Loan Sharks said:
Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
No they should hve traded down.
Because you were in an actual NFL Draft warroom on Saturday and you know that they would have been able to do that and still get Ginn?Right.....Adam Scheffter (sp?) said on NFL Network the other night that if Miami didn't take Ginn at #9 that Houston would have taken him at #10..Sorry dude, but I'm gonna take his word over yours..
 
One would think that any real football fan would know enough to rrestrain himself for a couple of years after any unpopular first round pick.

Many Philly fans are still kicking themselves about how mad they were when the Birds took McNabb instead of Ricky Williams.

 
Loan Sharks said:
Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
No they should hve traded down.
Because you were in an actual NFL Draft warroom on Saturday and you know that they would have been able to do that and still get Ginn?Right.....Adam Scheffter (sp?) said on NFL Network the other night that if Miami didn't take Ginn at #9 that Houston would have taken him at #10..Sorry dude, but I'm gonna take his word over yours..
BS . They did nt want to be the laugh of the draft two years in a row , they would nt have taken Ginn .Ginn would have been there at the end of the 2nd or even third round he is a great returner but a very very average WR.
 
Loan Sharks said:
Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
No they should hve traded down.
Because you were in an actual NFL Draft warroom on Saturday and you know that they would have been able to do that and still get Ginn?Right.....Adam Scheffter (sp?) said on NFL Network the other night that if Miami didn't take Ginn at #9 that Houston would have taken him at #10..Sorry dude, but I'm gonna take his word over yours..
:clap: AN THOSE GUYS KNOW THINGS AT SIRIUS ON NFL RADIO. much more so than the talking heads.
 
Loan Sharks said:
Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
No they should hve traded down.
Because you were in an actual NFL Draft warroom on Saturday and you know that they would have been able to do that and still get Ginn?Right.....Adam Scheffter (sp?) said on NFL Network the other night that if Miami didn't take Ginn at #9 that Houston would have taken him at #10..Sorry dude, but I'm gonna take his word over yours..
BS . They did nt want to be the laugh of the draft two years in a row , they would nt have taken Ginn .Ginn would have been there at the end of the 2nd or even third round he is a great returner but a very very average WR.
:scared: Ginn there in the 2nd. :ph34r: :o :lmao: In the 3rd.
 
Chase Stuart said:
Loan Sharks said:
Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
I think Miami made the right call, too.
They may have made the right call, but probably could have traded down 7-8 spots and still got Ginn.
 
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Chase Stuart said:
Loan Sharks said:
Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
I think Miami made the right call, too.
They may have made the right call, but probably could have traded down 7-8 spots and still got Ginn.
Hou, SF (if Willis has gone to the team they traded with), St. L and GB all very easily could have taken Ginn and probably had him in the top 15 players if not 10 on their draft boards. I said it during the draft when Mia took Ginn and still stand by it now. Ginn was not going to fall out of the top 15 picks.
 
Da Guru said:
What does Ted Ginns family have to do with anything? CC kept talking about his family.
This is where you don't get it. Mama Ginn will be the Dolphin's center for years, Papa Ginn will make a heck of a DE and Lil' Sis Ginn is a long snapper. The Dolphin's are getting the whole family -- BRILLIANT!
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Ginn has lots of speed but you don't draft a return guy in the 1st 10 picks of the draft, sorry but you just don't do it. miami has lots and I mean lots of areas that need improving...trade down in a rich WR class and improve your team. Thomas and Jason Taylor are getting old...the DBs pretty much suck, and the OL is mediocre too...oh yeah and we still don't have a quality QB since Marino retired...oh yeah and we have no TE either...who is going to be Antonio Gates exactly...this team is going 4-12 this season and will be picking top10 again next year. They might go 0-6 in the division this year. NE is loaded, NY is still a lot better, and Buffalo is getting better...OK me might go 1-5 in the division.
:scared: Yup, thats pretty much what I felt when I saw that pick. I'm not saying they were wrong to pass on Quinn but they were definitely wrong to pick Ginn with that pick.
 
Cameron worked with Brees & Rivers in SD - maybe he knows something about John Beck we don't?

Interesting article regarding the Dophins draft . . .

HYDE: Dolphins secretive draft plan works to perfection

Mueller, Cameron wanted Ginn, then Beck with top picks.

Published May 1, 2007

DAVIE · As Atlanta picked, as Brady Quinn remained, as 15 Dolphins front-office officials and scouts sat in Saturday's draft room with the team going on the clock, one scout said excitedly, "This is coming off just like we want."

To which General Manager Randy Mueller thought to himself: "You have no idea how it is."

Only four people had an idea. That was part of the stealth plan. As it began to unveil with the pick of Ted Ginn Jr., coach Cam Cameron was famously booed, ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr., called the Dolphins, "in a word, ridiculous," and Mueller alternated between text-messaging the next target in quarterback John Beck, trying furiously to trade up to get Beck and receiving a text message from his teenage daughter.

"Dad, I love Ginn," it read. "But you're going to need a bulletproof vest to get home."

By Monday afternoon, as he sat at the Dolphins' facility in a team sweatshirt, chuckling about that message, Mueller still sat in the epicenter of a national football debate over this Dolphins draft.

"We expected that," he said. "Cam and I knew exactly what the reaction would be [to passing on Quinn]."

The booing? The name-calling? The coast-to-coast furor?

"All of it," he said. "But that's how it had to be. We wouldn't encourage, discourage, lead or mislead anyone leading up to the draft. We could just stay mum about our plans.

"I would cringe whenever I turned on a TV and saw Beck being mentioned. I didn't want anyone talking about him at all. I didn't want any team to know what we thought of him and another team maybe taking him."

Listen, then, to the thinking behind these picks. Because the logic makes sense. This wasn't Dave Wannstedt taking linebacker Eddie Moore in hopes he'd become a special-teams contributor. This wasn't Rick Spielman being bluffed out of a fourth-round pick so Minnesota wouldn't take Vernon Carey.

For better or worse, richer or poorer, this draft went exactly as Mueller and Cameron hoped with Ginn and Beck becoming their hopes for home runs. That caused the strangest of clashes.

The Dolphins' brass privately celebrated their "luck that everything broke our way," as Mueller said, even as a public-relations storm lashed around them.

Only the Dolphins' Gang of Four knew the plan. Mueller and Cameron formulated it over the preceding weeks, then discussed it over dinner last Wednesday with team owner H. Wayne Huizenga and president Bryan Wiedmeier.

It was full of options and contingencies, depending on what other teams did. But the thinking was two-pronged. First, that Ginn was "special," Mueller said.

What about a receiver's lesser value compared to a quarterback?

"This guy's electric," Mueller said of Ginn. "Every time he touches the ball, you think he might go the distance."

Unstated here was that none of the available quarterbacks graded out as elite level. Quinn had been hyped that way. The decisions said otherwise. Detroit, Cleveland, maybe Tampa Bay all need a young quarterback and passed on Quinn before the Dolphins did. Carolina and Jacksonville, also needing a quarterback, passed before Cleveland traded and took Quinn.

But why not trade down?

"I know for a fact two teams were ready to take [Ginn] if we passed," Mueller said. (The NFL Network has reported Houston wanted Ginn with the 10th pick.)

What's telling, Mueller says, is this pick signals a philosophical shift to a Dolphins' offense that has ranked no higher than 14th in NFL scoring since 2000. No more will the offense hope for grinding 12-play, 75-yard drives that were the norm for recent Dolphins teams.

"Cam and I both believe you've got to be able to have the ability to strike quickly," Mueller said.

Now came the second part of the plan: grabbing Beck. In early April, Mueller and Cameron interviewed the top four quarterback prospects over a week.

Only upon finishing did they compare notes. Quinn and Beck were close enough to each other to be happy with either. Stanford's Trent Edwards was just a notch lower.

But when Cleveland traded for Quinn on Saturday, that's when Mueller began to worry about getting Beck. Actually, one team worried him: Detroit. Drafting seven spots before the Dolphins, Mueller knew Detroit wanted a quarterback.

Hoping to see if Detroit had contacted Beck, Mueller text-messaged him: "Are you OK?"

"My wife wants a tan, and I'm wearing flip-flops," Beck wrote back.

Mueller began talking with Chicago (31st pick) and Oakland (33rd pick) to trade up. He offered a switch of picks for the Dolphins' 40th overall pick and combinations that involved third- or fourth-round picks. He thought he had a deal. Then he didn't. Then came word Detroit had traded to the 43rd spot.

"I felt better after that," Mueller said.

By Monday afternoon, Mueller wasn't thinking about Quinn or the continued storm.

He was thinking how Beck had asked for the cell phone number of every player in his draft class to talk. And how he'd left a quickie visit to the Dolphins this weekend with a playbook and as much information to study as possible.

"That's what you like to see," he said, leaning back and doing what so few Dolphins fans were this draft.

Smiling.

 
Chaos Commish said:
jurb26 said:
Chase Stuart said:
Loan Sharks said:
Ginn = Speed

Quinn = Stiff

I know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
I think Miami made the right call, too.
Same here.
Me too. In the predraft Ginn thread started by Baca, I said I had him at #9 to Miami in my mock. Here.

I'm not surprised by all the noise and foolishness because he's just one of those polarizing players. It happened to McNabb much worse.
Outside of being booed at the draft - what else happened to McNabb? I think this is MUCH worse. You have everyone at ESPN saying how the phins blew the draft and messed up. No one outside of the blue collar idiots here thought McNabb was a bad pick.
 
Personally I don't see why people are so bent that Miami NEEDED a qb. I think it is a area they could have improved on but they do have Culpepper who was able to play some last year, Lemon who was ok, and they already had a contract with Trent Green.

I am just not buying that Miami needed Quinn over Green/Cpep/Lemon as much as they needed Ginn or any wr over Marty Booker.

 
i think having a return man is a luxary. if he falls in your lap, great, but you don't reach for him when have other glaring needs. by doing so, you set him up for failure. his foot injury will already slow his progress as a receiver in the offense. so, anything less than a hester type performance, as a returner, will be considered by many as a failure. this is not the way i would want to begin my tenure with a new team.

 
While the article above makes me feel a little better, the truth is that this smells of spin control on the part of the dolphins. They have a plan and I will hold them to it, but it is a flawed plan. DT >>> WR in the grand scheme of things. Okoye is 19. Ginn may turn out to be all that and I will eat my words, but how many top 10 WRs really turn out to be "greats"

 
More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
Really? The average fan knew Ginn at 9 was a abd pick. I don't blame them for passing on Quinn... but they reached on Ginn. Badly.And in the second, they drafted the wost of the three available QBs.
 
Chase Stuart said:
Loan Sharks said:
Ginn = Speed Quinn = StiffI know I am in the minority but I think Miami made the right call.
I think Miami made the right call, too.
They may have made the right call, but probably could have traded down 7-8 spots and still got Ginn.
Hou, SF (if Willis has gone to the team they traded with), St. L and GB all very easily could have taken Ginn and probably had him in the top 15 players if not 10 on their draft boards. I said it during the draft when Mia took Ginn and still stand by it now. Ginn was not going to fall out of the top 15 picks.
That doesn't mean he would have been a good pick at any of those spots either.
 
More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
Really? The average fan knew Ginn at 9 was a abd pick. I don't blame them for passing on Quinn... but they reached on Ginn. Badly.And in the second, they drafted the wost of the three available QBs.
Disagree with all of that. Where do you think Ginn would have been drafted had MIA not chosen him? It's really anyones guess as to the QB's but it sounds to me like Beck is the perfect fit for the Cameron offense. An accurate passer that makes good decisions.
 
Personally I don't see why people are so bent that Miami NEEDED a qb. I think it is a area they could have improved on but they do have Culpepper who was able to play some last year, Lemon who was ok, and they already had a contract with Trent Green. I am just not buying that Miami needed Quinn over Green/Cpep/Lemon as much as they needed Ginn or any wr over Marty Booker.
CPep may not play this year. They don't HAVE Green and may not get him. Lemon? CLEO LEMON?Come on now.But aside from that, maybe they could limp along another year. But with an aging D and a poor excuse for an O-line -- you're telling me a speedy #2 WR/return guy was their highest need? This was an awful pick. They had other needs - it didn't need to be Quinn. But Ginn was a huge reach.I dunno as much about Beck -- although at 25, he makes me nervous. Still a QB can play for a long time - if they are good. Beck wasn't a bad pick as much as debatable one -- past Quinn, most boards diverged as to the #3, 4 and 5 QBs, from what I have heard.
 
More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
Really? The average fan knew Ginn at 9 was a abd pick. I don't blame them for passing on Quinn... but they reached on Ginn. Badly.And in the second, they drafted the wost of the three available QBs.
Disagree with all of that. Where do you think Ginn would have been drafted had MIA not chosen him? It's really anyones guess as to the QB's but it sounds to me like Beck is the perfect fit for the Cameron offense. An accurate passer that makes good decisions.
we'll never know where ginn would have gone at if the dolphins hadn't reached for him. and beck, won't he be pushing 30 by the time he's ready to play? yeah, alot of value there.
 
More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
Really? The average fan knew Ginn at 9 was a abd pick. I don't blame them for passing on Quinn... but they reached on Ginn. Badly.And in the second, they drafted the wost of the three available QBs.
Disagree with all of that. Where do you think Ginn would have been drafted had MIA not chosen him? It's really anyones guess as to the QB's but it sounds to me like Beck is the perfect fit for the Cameron offense. An accurate passer that makes good decisions.
It's not a matter of where Ginn would have gone, it's that he went at 9 to a team with greater needs.And as for QB, Beck may fit well into Cam's system, but he's the least physically talented of the three. Unless they are running a WCO with very short easy throws, I don't see Beck being very successful.
 
If you made a list of guys they needed, Ginn came right after Okoye, willis, Staley, and trade down (although they should have traded down for staley as well).
Couldn't agree more with this one. As a Fins fan I'm not so unhappy they didn't take Quinn as disappointed that Ginn was the person they took. Ginn might turn into the next Hester or even S. Smith and I'll be completely wrong. With multiple glaring needs though I think they could have made a much safer pick.
 
I can't think of too many big games when Ginn didn't look like the best athlete on the field. Beck is a future NFL starter too. Not to mention, Miami is going to end up with Trent Green this year. I think Brady Quinn is going to be a good NFL QB, but I still think it all makes sense.

 
More proof as to why fans should have no say in the draft.
Really? The average fan knew Ginn at 9 was a abd pick. I don't blame them for passing on Quinn... but they reached on Ginn. Badly.And in the second, they drafted the wost of the three available QBs.
Disagree with all of that. Where do you think Ginn would have been drafted had MIA not chosen him? It's really anyones guess as to the QB's but it sounds to me like Beck is the perfect fit for the Cameron offense. An accurate passer that makes good decisions.
It's not a matter of where Ginn would have gone, it's that he went at 9 to a team with greater needs.
But you didn't say "They shouldn't have gone WR in the first round" you said they "reached" "Badly" for Ginn at #9. I disagree with that. He was projected to go 5-6 picks later and there are reports several teams were willing to take him just after the MIA pick... which would indicate to me that he's a talent that should go right around #9. I don't understand the stance that it was a reach. If you wouldnt' have gone WR that's fine(I'm with you in that I don't like WR's drafted early either and Davis wouldn't have been my pick for SD later in the first).
 
Chaos Commish said:
It happened to McNabb much worse.
Not sure about that one. That was a pissed off group that Cataldi brought to the draft for specifically that purpose, this seems a bit more widespread through the Miami fanbase.
 
You don't draft at number 9 for need. HTH.
If you NEED a player who is worth taking in the Top 10, yes you do.I guess we'll just have to disagree, Chase. You got a top ten pick because you have gaping big holes (most of the time). You have problems. A top ten pick ain't a luxury. Indy gets to pick for luxury. Chicago gets to pick for luxury. New England. San Diego.Miami? IMO they shouldn't be doing that.
 

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