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Miami looking to trade last year's 1st rd LB Dion Jordan (1 Viewer)

Bracie Smathers

Footballguy
Wow!

Pretty big news IMHO.

Hadn't seen a thread on this one.

Don't forget, they traded-up to get him last year so that would be a big whiff if they are already moving on from him after only one year.

Maybe his former college coach, Chip Kelly could go bargain shopping.

http://miami-dolphins-shopping-2013-first-round-pick-dion-jordan

Jason La Canfora

CBS Sports NFL Insider
Miami Dolphins shopping 2013 first-round pick Dion JordanFebruary 28, 2014 2:42 pm ETA year after trading up to get Dion Jordan with the third overall pick in the draft, the Dolphins have begun shopping him to other clubs, league sources said. Miami has talked to other teams already to gauge Jordan's trade value.

Numerous league sources, including executives from other teams, say the Dolphins might also be open to dealing receiver Mike Wallace and pass-rushing ace Cam Wake. That perception has only grown through the course of this week, through conversations with numerous decision-makers from other clubs, as Miami looks to retool its roster under a new regime.

The Dolphins need to revamp their offensive line, possibly by moving up the draft board to land an offensive tackle.

Sources close to Wallace, Jordan and Wake expressed a belief that a trade would not be a shock this offseason, though Wallace's hefty contract would limit his options.

The Dolphins, with head coach Joe Philbin assuming even greater influence after the dismissal of general manager Jeff Ireland, and with rookie GM Dennis Hickey now in his place, are in transition mode as it awaits league discipline from the Wells Report.

Miami wants to secure top cornerback Brent Grimes and could be losing several defensive linemen in free agency as well, creating holes that must be filled. With draft picks so cheap in this CBA, and Miami parting with some already last year to move up and get Jordan, including players in trades might be preferable to current or future picks.

Jordan did not click with the coaches last season, he had to play through a very difficult shoulder injury, and was not seen as a strong fit in their scheme (he's an edge rusher that best fits a 3-4 defense).

The man who drafted Jordan (former GM Jeff Ireland) is gone, so it might be time for Jordan to move on as well. With Koa Misi and Olivier Vernon occupying defensive end spots with Miami in its 4-3 scheme, finding playing time for Jordan might be tough barring injury.

Jordan's return time from a shoulder injury limited his progress, and with rookie compensation so low, it is easy to trade even first-round picks (the 49ers and Chiefs swapped recent first-round picks last year, for instance, and the Browns traded Trent Richardson to the Colts).

It may prove tough to get decent value for such an unproven commodity, and word continues to make the rounds among GMs that the Dolphins may end up moving a more established player, like Wallace or Wake, to be positioned to move up; and select an elite tackle in this draft, or to address other issues on the roster.

 
Well Miami is already putting out denials.

It seemed a bit extreme to trade a player after moving-up to the 3rd pick only one year but oddly enough we did see that with Trent Richardson, so ya know there's that... :whistle:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2014/02/dolphins-respond-to-jordan-wake-wallace-trade-rumor.html

Dolphins respond to Jordan, Wake, Wallace trade rumorLet's clear things up:

The Dolphins have begun shopping defensive end Dion Jordan to gauge his trade value, CBSSports.com reported today.

That's false, a Dolphins source just told me.

The Dolphins are open to trading receiver Mike Wallace and are gauging interest in him around the league, CBSSports.com reported today.

That's false, the same Dolphins source just told me.

The Dolphins are open to trading Cameron Wake, CBSSports.com reported today.

That's false, the same Dolphins source just told me.

So what we have here is an issue of credibility and integrity. Do you believe CBSSports.com? Or do you believe the Miami Dolphins?

I know my source.

I'm going with the Dolphins.

As to news that is actually true, the Dolphins hosted free agent safety Louis Delmas on Friday. Delmas, who attended high school in Miami, is available because he was cut by the Detroit Lions on Feb. 13.

He is a smart player. He is a two-time Pro Bowl alternate. He has battled injury issues.

The Dolphins are looking at cheap safety help because Chris Clemons is an unrestricted free agent and will test the market.


Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2014/02/dolphins-respond-to-jordan-wake-wallace-trade-rumor.html#storylink=cpy

 
With the current rookie pay structure, investing the $ into Wallace (and then trying to move him) is the bigger sinkhole than a player at 1.3.

 
How do you pick a player that doesn't fit the system and you can't use at #3? The coaches wanted him, but the coaches also wanted Wheeler and Ellerbe.

These players are all talented and have performed outside of Miami. I'm still holding out hope Miami ####-cans the DC before they waste more money giving him talent he doesn't know how to use.

 
Another dysfunctional team looking to drop a year old mistake:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/01/report-patriots-have-floated-danny-amendolas-name-in-trade-discussions/

Report: Patriots have “floated” Danny Amendola’s name in trade discussionsPosted by Mike Wilkening on March 1, 2014, 11:13 AM EST
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Getty ImagesCould Danny Amendola be one-and-done in New England?

According to Dan Pompei of Bleacher Report, who cited unnamed “NFL teams,” the Patriots have brought up the name of Amendola in trade discussions less than a year after signing the wide receiver as a free agent.

Also, Pompei reports that there is some “speculation” Amendola could be released if he is not dealt.

The 28-year-old Amendola caught 54 passes for 633 yards and two TDs in 12 games for New England in 2013. He played his first four seasons with St. Louis (2009-2012).

Amendola dealt with a groin injury in his first season with the Patriots, and he also suffered a concussion. He has missed a combined nine regular season games in the last two seasons. Moreover, he was limited to just one game in 2011.

Nevertheless, it would be a major surprise if he lasted just one season with the Patriots, given the club’s investment. However, New England has never been lacking for decisiveness.
 
Another dysfunctional team looking to drop a year old mistake:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/01/report-patriots-have-floated-danny-amendolas-name-in-trade-discussions/

Report: Patriots have “floated” Danny Amendola’s name in trade discussionsPosted by Mike Wilkening on March 1, 2014, 11:13 AM EST
x350-27-e1382541105381.jpg
Getty ImagesCould Danny Amendola be one-and-done in New England?

According to Dan Pompei of Bleacher Report, who cited unnamed “NFL teams,” the Patriots have brought up the name of Amendola in trade discussions less than a year after signing the wide receiver as a free agent.

Also, Pompei reports that there is some “speculation” Amendola could be released if he is not dealt.

The 28-year-old Amendola caught 54 passes for 633 yards and two TDs in 12 games for New England in 2013. He played his first four seasons with St. Louis (2009-2012).

Amendola dealt with a groin injury in his first season with the Patriots, and he also suffered a concussion. He has missed a combined nine regular season games in the last two seasons. Moreover, he was limited to just one game in 2011.

Nevertheless, it would be a major surprise if he lasted just one season with the Patriots, given the club’s investment. However, New England has never been lacking for decisiveness.
Hard to believe given that he effectively only costs them $1.5M this year due to the rest being guaranteed money.

 
Another dysfunctional team looking to drop a year old mistake:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/01/report-patriots-have-floated-danny-amendolas-name-in-trade-discussions/

Report: Patriots have “floated” Danny Amendola’s name in trade discussionsPosted by Mike Wilkening on March 1, 2014, 11:13 AM EST
x350-27-e1382541105381.jpg
Getty ImagesCould Danny Amendola be one-and-done in New England?

According to Dan Pompei of Bleacher Report, who cited unnamed “NFL teams,” the Patriots have brought up the name of Amendola in trade discussions less than a year after signing the wide receiver as a free agent.

Also, Pompei reports that there is some “speculation” Amendola could be released if he is not dealt.

The 28-year-old Amendola caught 54 passes for 633 yards and two TDs in 12 games for New England in 2013. He played his first four seasons with St. Louis (2009-2012).

Amendola dealt with a groin injury in his first season with the Patriots, and he also suffered a concussion. He has missed a combined nine regular season games in the last two seasons. Moreover, he was limited to just one game in 2011.

Nevertheless, it would be a major surprise if he lasted just one season with the Patriots, given the club’s investment. However, New England has never been lacking for decisiveness.
Signing a player and cutting after year is one thing. Drafting a rookie and not even giving him time to grow into a role is another.

 
Another dysfunctional team looking to drop a year old mistake:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/01/report-patriots-have-floated-danny-amendolas-name-in-trade-discussions/

Report: Patriots have “floated” Danny Amendola’s name in trade discussionsPosted by Mike Wilkening on March 1, 2014, 11:13 AM EST
x350-27-e1382541105381.jpg
Getty ImagesCould Danny Amendola be one-and-done in New England?

According to Dan Pompei of Bleacher Report, who cited unnamed “NFL teams,” the Patriots have brought up the name of Amendola in trade discussions less than a year after signing the wide receiver as a free agent.

Also, Pompei reports that there is some “speculation” Amendola could be released if he is not dealt.

The 28-year-old Amendola caught 54 passes for 633 yards and two TDs in 12 games for New England in 2013. He played his first four seasons with St. Louis (2009-2012).

Amendola dealt with a groin injury in his first season with the Patriots, and he also suffered a concussion. He has missed a combined nine regular season games in the last two seasons. Moreover, he was limited to just one game in 2011.

Nevertheless, it would be a major surprise if he lasted just one season with the Patriots, given the club’s investment. However, New England has never been lacking for decisiveness.
Signing a player and cutting after year is one thing. Drafting a rookie and not even giving him time to grow into a role is another.
Gosh, it sure is.

 
Feel free to go change your votes in the thread "which team is the most dysfunctional".
Its not even close. The Dolphins make the Browns look like the Patriots.
those responding to me a month ago say otherwise.
It has been a busy month, highlighted by stories of male blow-up dolls, Kamikaze headbands, Ferraris and baseball bats, a GM search that would have been entertaining if you were not a fan of the team, and now rumors of trading the 3rd overall pick from last year for a 2nd round pick, as well as trading a $16M/yr WR that you signed last season and will probably kill your cap for years, and your best player on either side of the ball (Wake).

Toss in the mess with Pouncey, which I personally don't think is much of a big deal, but I may be in the minority as most seem to think that he - our only competent player on the worst OL in football - will be suspended.

Meanwhile, the Browns have been quiet, aside from rumored attempts to trade for one of the top coaches in the game today. I think we zoomed past them into the lead by quite a bit.

ETA - Forgot to add in the power struggle between our "capologist" and our former GM, which involved our coach...as well as our complete lack of a defined structure which had a lot to do with everyone of worth turning down one of only 32 coveted NFL GM jobs in the world...in South Florida with no state income taxes nonetheless!

 
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http://miami-dolphins-shopping-2013-first-round-pick-dion-jordan

Jason La Canfora

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The Dolphins need to revamp their offensive line, possibly by moving up the draft board to land an offensive tackle.

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I keep thinking that the Vikings need to be talking to Miami. It is not uncommon to see a draft scenario where the top 3 QBs and only 1 OT are off the board after the 7th pick. Miami could trade up to take Jake Mathews at 8 and Vikings could trade down to 19 and have a lot more options. There is a chance they will have their choice of Hageman, Nix, Dennard, Clinton-Dix, Dee Ford or Carr at 19. The only sticking point is that the Vikings would probably prefer draft picks for the move rather than Jordon.

 
I'm still holding out hope Miami ####-cans the DC before they waste more money giving him talent he doesn't know how to use.
Typical dysfunctional franchise nonsense.

They'll get rid of a bunch of potentially good players to a fit a system for a bad DC. Then they'll fire that DC and think to themselves "man I wish we still had all those guys we gave away at a bargain for this new system".

Rinse and repeat for a 15 year rebuilding process that's still in its infancy.

 
I'm still holding out hope Miami ####-cans the DC before they waste more money giving him talent he doesn't know how to use.
Typical dysfunctional franchise nonsense.

They'll get rid of a bunch of potentially good players to a fit a system for a bad DC. Then they'll fire that DC and think to themselves "man I wish we still had all those guys we gave away at a bargain for this new system".

Rinse and repeat for a 15 year rebuilding process that's still in its infancy.
drives me crazy, part of the hiring process should be "can you work with the guys we have?"

 
If they are going to stay 4-3 and they could get a decent pick for Jordan, it's not a crazy idea to trade him. Every other move they make? That's another story.

 
More teams would be further ahead if they would be willing to own up to a player not fitting their scheme and cut ties earlier to get something and move on. I doubt they move Jordan but like the idea of a club willing to identify this and move on quickly if they actually do this.

 
It has been a busy month, highlighted by stories of male blow-up dolls, Kamikaze headbands, Ferraris and baseball bats, a GM search that would have been entertaining if you were not a fan of the team, and now rumors of trading the 3rd overall pick from last year for a 2nd round pick, as well as trading a $16M/yr WR that you signed last season and will probably kill your cap for years, and your best player on either side of the ball (Wake).


Toss in the mess with Pouncey, which I personally don't think is much of a big deal, but I may be in the minority as most seem to think that he - our only competent player on the worst OL in football - will be suspended.

Meanwhile, the Browns have been quiet, aside from rumored attempts to trade for one of the top coaches in the game today. I think we zoomed past them into the lead by quite a bit.

ETA - Forgot to add in the power struggle between our "capologist" and our former GM, which involved our coach...as well as our complete lack of a defined structure which had a lot to do with everyone of worth turning down one of only 32 coveted NFL GM jobs in the world...in South Florida with no state income taxes nonetheless!
I find myself astonished that there are two teams that seem to be actively, almost proudly, duking it out for the title of most poorly-run franchise in the NFL ... and neither one of them are the Raiders or Skins. That's a minimum of four NFL teams that you could very easily file under the heading of "complete embarrassments".

I'm left to conclude either that (a) the job of operating and managing an NFL team has gotten so complex in the past 15-20 years that there simply aren't 32 distinct groups of people capable of doing it properly any more, or (b) the NFL really needs to install a promotion and relegation system like the EPL to start making the financial consequences of clown shows real and painful to NFL teams.

 
I find myself astonished that there are two teams that seem to be actively, almost proudly, duking it out for the title of most poorly-run franchise in the NFL ... and neither one of them are the Raiders or Skins. That's a minimum of four NFL teams that you could very easily file under the heading of "complete embarrassments".

I'm left to conclude either that (a) the job of operating and managing an NFL team has gotten so complex in the past 15-20 years that there simply aren't 32 distinct groups of people capable of doing it properly any more, or (b) the NFL really needs to install a promotion and relegation system like the EPL to start making the financial consequences of clown shows real and painful to NFL teams.
This is what you get when teams are bought by billionaires as toys to play with. These aren't well run companies whose primary focus is success, they are ego trips for rich people.

 
I guess this is still getting kicked around.

Qui8ck video from yesterday talks about possible trade scenarios between Miami and Philly.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Kempskis-Corner-Can-the-Eagles-get-Dion-Jordan.html

Kempski's Corner: Can the Eagles get Dion Jordan?

Posted: Wednesday, April 16, 2014, 4:56 PM

In this episode of Kempski's Corner, Philly.com's Pat Gallen & Jimmy Kempski discuss why the Eagles failed to complete a deal with the Dolphins for Dion Jordan & if they can still get one done.
 
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http://miami-dolphins-shopping-2013-first-round-pick-dion-jordan

Jason La Canfora

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The Dolphins need to revamp their offensive line, possibly by moving up the draft board to land an offensive tackle.

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I keep thinking that the Vikings need to be talking to Miami. It is not uncommon to see a draft scenario where the top 3 QBs and only 1 OT are off the board after the 7th pick. Miami could trade up to take Jake Mathews at 8 and Vikings could trade down to 19 and have a lot more options. There is a chance they will have their choice of Hageman, Nix, Dennard, Clinton-Dix, Dee Ford or Carr at 19. The only sticking point is that the Vikings would probably prefer draft picks for the move rather than Jordon.
:goodposting: Now this makes sense. If the Dolphins do move on from Jordan, the Vikings should make this kind of move. Excellent analysis sir.

BTW, I agree the Dolphins are zipping right past the Browns for most FUBAR'd.

 
lawrenceofbruno said:
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http://miami-dolphins-shopping-2013-first-round-pick-dion-jordan

Jason La Canfora

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The Dolphins need to revamp their offensive line, possibly by moving up the draft board to land an offensive tackle.

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I keep thinking that the Vikings need to be talking to Miami. It is not uncommon to see a draft scenario where the top 3 QBs and only 1 OT are off the board after the 7th pick. Miami could trade up to take Jake Mathews at 8 and Vikings could trade down to 19 and have a lot more options. There is a chance they will have their choice of Hageman, Nix, Dennard, Clinton-Dix, Dee Ford or Carr at 19. The only sticking point is that the Vikings would probably prefer draft picks for the move rather than Jordon.
:goodposting: Now this makes sense. If the Dolphins do move on from Jordan, the Vikings should make this kind of move. Excellent analysis sir.

BTW, I agree the Dolphins are zipping right past the Browns for most FUBAR'd.
And the Vikings DC George Edwards was the LB coach in Miami last year...he should know him...

 
I asked this in the Eagles thread as well. Would the Phins do a Vinny Curry for D.Jordan trade?
maybe Curry+ - I doubt they would do that straight up unless they are really down on Dion.
Well if the "+" isn't more than a mid round pick I'd be all over it as an Eagles fan. Worth it for his upside IMO.
If.they have been looking to dump him since end of season, as rumored, one has to be REAL curious why they are cutting the cord so quick. They gave up a 1st and 2nd to pick him, he's a great athlete at a premium position, and hasn't been caught with a dead girl or a live boy in his bed that I am aware of, so something must, be really bad. Zero work ethic, no functional strength, whatever. At a position that takes time to develop, there had to be a good reason.

 
I asked this in the Eagles thread as well. Would the Phins do a Vinny Curry for D.Jordan trade?
maybe Curry+ - I doubt they would do that straight up unless they are really down on Dion.
Well if the "+" isn't more than a mid round pick I'd be all over it as an Eagles fan. Worth it for his upside IMO.
If I were an Eagles fan, I'd like for them to trade a 7th round pick for Jordan. That would be great.

 

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