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Miami RB situation - Chatman, Booker, Cobbs (1 Viewer)
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Not the entire load, but I assume Chatman is going to get a huge chunk of it. It's not going to be RBBC.With Ronnie Brown out for the year, is Chatman really going to carry the entire load? I think it's safe to assume he is the starter now, isn't it?Booker was a pretty popular guy during the preseason, but they have talked about moving him to WR.And what about Cobbs?
mikel0254
Footballguy
I can see a full RBBC when Booker get's 100% healthy, but Chatman is the man there until that time. Their season is over, so I see no reason why they wouldn't give Booker some significant playing time this year...should give him the fast track to be Miami's backup next year, with a chance at starting if Brown's recovery takes longer than expectedNot the entire load, but I assume Chatman is going to get a huge chunk of it. It's not going to be RBBC.With Ronnie Brown out for the year, is Chatman really going to carry the entire load? I think it's safe to assume he is the starter now, isn't it?Booker was a pretty popular guy during the preseason, but they have talked about moving him to WR.And what about Cobbs?
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Because in general, teams just don't do RBBC. Everyone always screams RBBC when there's an injury, someone comes back from an injury, or something of the sort. LaMont Jordan, Derrick Ward, Clinton Portis, Kenny Watson and a lot of other people beg to differ. Teams even talk a good game about RBBC, but it rarely happens.I can see a full RBBC when Booker get's 100% healthy, but Chatman is the man there until that time. Their season is over, so I see no reason why they wouldn't give Booker some significant playing time this year...should give him the fast track to be Miami's backup next year, with a chance at starting if Brown's recovery takes longer than expectedNot the entire load, but I assume Chatman is going to get a huge chunk of it. It's not going to be RBBC.With Ronnie Brown out for the year, is Chatman really going to carry the entire load? I think it's safe to assume he is the starter now, isn't it?Booker was a pretty popular guy during the preseason, but they have talked about moving him to WR.And what about Cobbs?
mikel0254
Footballguy
Historically, I agree 100%. Teams just DIDN'T do RBBC. However, the NFL is quickly becoming a 2 back league (although not fully there yet). Miami has 2 unproven RB's, and I think both will get their shot to prove themselves (Chatman had 1 year where he got playing time, and that was 2004 - only 65 carries, so not real significant)Because in general, teams just don't do RBBC. Everyone always screams RBBC when there's an injury, someone comes back from an injury, or something of the sort. LaMont Jordan, Derrick Ward, Clinton Portis, Kenny Watson and a lot of other people beg to differ. Teams even talk a good game about RBBC, but it rarely happens.I can see a full RBBC when Booker get's 100% healthy, but Chatman is the man there until that time. Their season is over, so I see no reason why they wouldn't give Booker some significant playing time this year...should give him the fast track to be Miami's backup next year, with a chance at starting if Brown's recovery takes longer than expectedNot the entire load, but I assume Chatman is going to get a huge chunk of it. It's not going to be RBBC.With Ronnie Brown out for the year, is Chatman really going to carry the entire load? I think it's safe to assume he is the starter now, isn't it?Booker was a pretty popular guy during the preseason, but they have talked about moving him to WR.And what about Cobbs?
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
This isn't true. Teams used to do RBBC much, much more than they do now. We've broken down the numbers several times on here.Historically, I agree 100%. Teams just DIDN'T do RBBC.Because in general, teams just don't do RBBC. Everyone always screams RBBC when there's an injury, someone comes back from an injury, or something of the sort. LaMont Jordan, Derrick Ward, Clinton Portis, Kenny Watson and a lot of other people beg to differ. Teams even talk a good game about RBBC, but it rarely happens.I can see a full RBBC when Booker get's 100% healthy, but Chatman is the man there until that time. Their season is over, so I see no reason why they wouldn't give Booker some significant playing time this year...should give him the fast track to be Miami's backup next year, with a chance at starting if Brown's recovery takes longer than expectedNot the entire load, but I assume Chatman is going to get a huge chunk of it. It's not going to be RBBC.With Ronnie Brown out for the year, is Chatman really going to carry the entire load? I think it's safe to assume he is the starter now, isn't it?Booker was a pretty popular guy during the preseason, but they have talked about moving him to WR.And what about Cobbs?
mikel0254
Footballguy
OK fine, I have no idea. But that's not the argument though. I just can't see Miami not giving Booker a shot seeing as this season is already gone, that's all I'm sayingThis isn't true. Teams used to do RBBC much, much more than they do now. We've broken down the numbers several times on here.Historically, I agree 100%. Teams just DIDN'T do RBBC.Because in general, teams just don't do RBBC. Everyone always screams RBBC when there's an injury, someone comes back from an injury, or something of the sort. LaMont Jordan, Derrick Ward, Clinton Portis, Kenny Watson and a lot of other people beg to differ. Teams even talk a good game about RBBC, but it rarely happens.I can see a full RBBC when Booker get's 100% healthy, but Chatman is the man there until that time. Their season is over, so I see no reason why they wouldn't give Booker some significant playing time this year...should give him the fast track to be Miami's backup next year, with a chance at starting if Brown's recovery takes longer than expectedNot the entire load, but I assume Chatman is going to get a huge chunk of it. It's not going to be RBBC.With Ronnie Brown out for the year, is Chatman really going to carry the entire load? I think it's safe to assume he is the starter now, isn't it?Booker was a pretty popular guy during the preseason, but they have talked about moving him to WR.And what about Cobbs?
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
You turned the argument there.I gave you four examples of running backs (do you want more) that were "destined for RBBC" that turned out the complete opposite--this year.It's not a matter of "giving someone a shot". That's what practice and the preseason is for. During the games, you put your best back on the field that gives you the best chance to win. Period. Booker has plenty of chances, about 3 a week, to show he's worthy of the job.OK fine, I have no idea. But that's not the argument though. I just can't see Miami not giving Booker a shot seeing as this season is already gone, that's all I'm sayingThis isn't true. Teams used to do RBBC much, much more than they do now. We've broken down the numbers several times on here.Historically, I agree 100%. Teams just DIDN'T do RBBC.Because in general, teams just don't do RBBC. Everyone always screams RBBC when there's an injury, someone comes back from an injury, or something of the sort. LaMont Jordan, Derrick Ward, Clinton Portis, Kenny Watson and a lot of other people beg to differ. Teams even talk a good game about RBBC, but it rarely happens.I can see a full RBBC when Booker get's 100% healthy, but Chatman is the man there until that time. Their season is over, so I see no reason why they wouldn't give Booker some significant playing time this year...should give him the fast track to be Miami's backup next year, with a chance at starting if Brown's recovery takes longer than expectedNot the entire load, but I assume Chatman is going to get a huge chunk of it. It's not going to be RBBC.With Ronnie Brown out for the year, is Chatman really going to carry the entire load? I think it's safe to assume he is the starter now, isn't it?Booker was a pretty popular guy during the preseason, but they have talked about moving him to WR.And what about Cobbs?
That's not necessarily true. See "Peterson, Adrian - Minnesota"And considering this is Cam Cameron coaching in a now wasted season, why wouldn't Miami start getting someone like Booker involved to see what he can/can't do?During the games, you put your best back on the field that gives you the best chance to win. Period.OK fine, I have no idea. But that's not the argument though. I just can't see Miami not giving Booker a shot seeing as this season is already gone, that's all I'm sayingThis isn't true. Teams used to do RBBC much, much more than they do now. We've broken down the numbers several times on here.Historically, I agree 100%. Teams just DIDN'T do RBBC.Because in general, teams just don't do RBBC. Everyone always screams RBBC when there's an injury, someone comes back from an injury, or something of the sort. LaMont Jordan, Derrick Ward, Clinton Portis, Kenny Watson and a lot of other people beg to differ. Teams even talk a good game about RBBC, but it rarely happens.I can see a full RBBC when Booker get's 100% healthy, but Chatman is the man there until that time. Their season is over, so I see no reason why they wouldn't give Booker some significant playing time this year...should give him the fast track to be Miami's backup next year, with a chance at starting if Brown's recovery takes longer than expectedNot the entire load, but I assume Chatman is going to get a huge chunk of it. It's not going to be RBBC.With Ronnie Brown out for the year, is Chatman really going to carry the entire load? I think it's safe to assume he is the starter now, isn't it?Booker was a pretty popular guy during the preseason, but they have talked about moving him to WR.And what about Cobbs?
PatrickT
Footballguy
Didn't Chatman leave the field as well? What's the word on any injury to him? Seeing as Booker was inactive and Chatman and Cobbs got carries, I would assume that means Booker is at the bottom of the list, and Chatman, if healthy, will get the bulk of the carries, as we saw after Brown left the game (albeit only a 7 to 3 split).
Am I missing something here? I imagine Booker will get SOME carries here, but seems like Chatman is the easy favorite.
Am I missing something here? I imagine Booker will get SOME carries here, but seems like Chatman is the easy favorite.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
My understanding (and I'm not a Miami homer) is that Cobbs offered more on special teams and thus was active over Booker so far this season.
As the post above indicates they were working him at WR recently. My personal opinion is that the coaching staff knew that with Chambers gone, they could use someone with apparently good hands on the field and that Booker can make plays and they were looking for a way to get him into games outside of playing running back because of Ronnie Brown and Chatman being active as the primary RB's and Cobbs playing special teams.
Now that Ronnie Brown's gone for the rest of the season, I can see the Dolphins using Chatman (should he be healthy) most of the time with Booker being used like a very poor man's Reggie Bush was last year. Working him out of the slot, and getting him into the flats and into space and letting him use his skillset.
If Booker doesn't get used very much or remains inactive I think you've pretty much got to write him off as having any value in almost any league format.
A few members of the FBG staff were very high on Booker and I generally trust their analysis so I'm taking a wait and see approach with Booker on my dynasty squad.
If you're in a very deep redraft league, take a flier on him, it can't really hurt. In leagues with smaller rosters I won't be running to the wire to grab him yet. That being said, if you wait until he has a productive game, he'll probably be long gone.
As the post above indicates they were working him at WR recently. My personal opinion is that the coaching staff knew that with Chambers gone, they could use someone with apparently good hands on the field and that Booker can make plays and they were looking for a way to get him into games outside of playing running back because of Ronnie Brown and Chatman being active as the primary RB's and Cobbs playing special teams.
Now that Ronnie Brown's gone for the rest of the season, I can see the Dolphins using Chatman (should he be healthy) most of the time with Booker being used like a very poor man's Reggie Bush was last year. Working him out of the slot, and getting him into the flats and into space and letting him use his skillset.
If Booker doesn't get used very much or remains inactive I think you've pretty much got to write him off as having any value in almost any league format.
A few members of the FBG staff were very high on Booker and I generally trust their analysis so I'm taking a wait and see approach with Booker on my dynasty squad.
If you're in a very deep redraft league, take a flier on him, it can't really hurt. In leagues with smaller rosters I won't be running to the wire to grab him yet. That being said, if you wait until he has a productive game, he'll probably be long gone.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
a voice of reason.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
As I said previously, I don't know if you can write Booker off because he hasn't suited up yet.He didn't offer much on Special Teams and was behind a couple backs in Brown and Chatman with NFL game experience.By all accounts Booker was under-utlized in college, so I'm sure the learning curve might be a little more steep for him in the NFL, and the coaching staff was trying to find ways to get him more involved.I also said that in a previous thread that a MIA defensive player was quoted in the past couple weeks as saying the Booker looks great in practice and is routinely making plays there.I think it was more the dearth of RB's ahead of him rather than Booker being bad that has led to him being inactive.Could be just me, though.That being said, I'm not saying Booker will end up being the RB1 on the Fins for the remainder of the season. Barring injury, Chatman is the guy to have. What I am saying is that we shouldn't write Booker off just yet, based on him not suiting up for games so far.
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Exactly right.They like Booker but he hasn't even played a down yet in the NFL. I don't see him making a fantasy impact this year at all.
Chatman is the guy to get.
Cameron has stated numerous times that he wants no part of Ricky Williams - but that was before the RB injury.
wickster33
Footballguy
This is Cam Cameron's team, and I don't think he has any interest in bringing in Ricky Williams. Chatman was his guy in the past and he'll get the ball until he wears down. I don't believe that Cam will allow Ricky to see the inside of the locker room this year.
redman
Footballguy
I'm hoping that they use Booker like Reggie Bush, lining him up all over the place to try to create mismatches. I agree that Chatman has to be presumed to be the RB1 there, but of the three Booker has by far the most potential upside. He could be valuable in PPR leagues.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
To this day I don't realize why they haven't done this. Could Booker be raw? Sure. But anyone that saw him in camp knows he can be a huge asset in space & create mismatches.We're in Year 2 of Bush and he still can't run between the tackles either.------------Then again, we're talking about the same Cam Cameron that wanted to split time between Brown/Chatman.
He has to leap ahead of Patrick Cobbs who has outplayed him in practice this season. And he is the 2nd stringer as it stands.Chatman will get the bulk of the workload with Cobb's as the change of pace. Booker has been lining up at WR in practice and running on the scout team. he will probably get some PT later down the road but not for while. As long as Chatman is healthy he will be the guy the rest of the way.OK fine, I have no idea. But that's not the argument though. I just can't see Miami not giving Booker a shot seeing as this season is already gone, that's all I'm sayingThis isn't true. Teams used to do RBBC much, much more than they do now. We've broken down the numbers several times on here.Historically, I agree 100%. Teams just DIDN'T do RBBC.Because in general, teams just don't do RBBC. Everyone always screams RBBC when there's an injury, someone comes back from an injury, or something of the sort. LaMont Jordan, Derrick Ward, Clinton Portis, Kenny Watson and a lot of other people beg to differ. Teams even talk a good game about RBBC, but it rarely happens.I can see a full RBBC when Booker get's 100% healthy, but Chatman is the man there until that time. Their season is over, so I see no reason why they wouldn't give Booker some significant playing time this year...should give him the fast track to be Miami's backup next year, with a chance at starting if Brown's recovery takes longer than expectedNot the entire load, but I assume Chatman is going to get a huge chunk of it. It's not going to be RBBC.With Ronnie Brown out for the year, is Chatman really going to carry the entire load? I think it's safe to assume he is the starter now, isn't it?Booker was a pretty popular guy during the preseason, but they have talked about moving him to WR.And what about Cobbs?
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TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Chatman for goalline as well?
