MIAMI releases John Beck (1 Viewer)

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By EDGAR THOMPSON

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Monday, April 27, 2009

DAVIE — Quarterback John Beck's unsuccessful career with the Dolphins is over. Miami released him Monday, two years after he was the No. 40 pick in the NFL Draft.

Beck, who didn't get into a game last season as the third quarterback behind Chad Pennington and Chad Henne, became expendable when the Dolphins used the No. 44 choice Saturday to draft West Virginia quarterback Pat White.

The final blow to Beck's chances to remain a Dolphin came Monday. An NFL source said the team plans to give University of California quarterback Nate Longshore a tryout when the three-day rookie mini-camp begins Friday.

"We wish him well," General Manager Jeff Ireland said of Beck.

Beck, who will be 28 on Aug. 21, was drafted by then-General Manager Randy Mueller in 2007.

Beck got his first start after Miami fell to 0-9 under coach Cam Cameron.

Beck started four games but failed to lead a scoring drive before he was benched. He had one touchdown pass, three interceptions and four fumbles.

Before last season, the new Bill Parcells regime drafted Henne with the 57th pick in the '08 draft.

The Dolphins had been shopping Beck for some time, hoping to obtain a late-round pick.

The decision to bring in Longshore would have given the team five quarterbacks with Beck.

Longshore, who had 51 TD passes and 31 interceptions in four seasons at Cal, will be one of many free agents expected in camp Friday.

After this weekend's draft, the Dolphins secured four other free agents:

# Virginia Tech's Orion Martin, a pass-rushing defensive end who will move to outside linebacker.

# Purdue's Ryan Baker, a defensive end with the size and strength to play in the 3-4 scheme.

# Central Washington's Jared Bronson, a Division II tight end.

# Oregon's Mark Lewis, a guard with good size (6-foot-4, 314 pounds).

"If you look at the history of drafts, a lot of free agents beat out fifth- and sixth-round picks," ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. said.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

We knew this was coming. Not much hope for Beck making it now since he started so late after his mission and is now 28.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Gin Jr is about all that is left from 2 years ago...just jaw dropping how bad the Miami drafts have been over the past several years until 2008.

 

[the spanker]

Gin Jr is about all that is left from 2 years ago...just jaw dropping how bad the Miami drafts have been over the past several years until 2008.

Bad? They were a NIGHTMARE in living color to watch

 

[Ozymandias]

John Beck probably wasn't up to being an NFL QB. But you have to wonder about young QB's that go to a disaster of a team. There have been many instances where promising qb's have gone to absolute losers, and they spend most of their time flat on their back or running for their life. Their confidence gets shot.

Makes you wonder about Matthew Stafford.

 

[=Smackdown=]

In the few starts he got with the Dolphins he looked terrified.

One down and Wilford to go . . .

 

[Ned]

John Beck probably wasn't up to being an NFL QB. But you have to wonder about young QB's that go to a disaster of a team. There have been many instances where promising qb's have gone to absolute losers, and they spend most of their time flat on their back or running for their life. Their confidence gets shot.Makes you wonder about Matthew Stafford.

I agree, but the same could've been said for Ryan in ATL last year.

 

[FUBAR]

John Beck probably wasn't up to being an NFL QB. But you have to wonder about young QB's that go to a disaster of a team. There have been many instances where promising qb's have gone to absolute losers, and they spend most of their time flat on their back or running for their life. Their confidence gets shot.Makes you wonder about Matthew Stafford.

I agree, but the same could've been said for Ryan in ATL last year.

Miami and to a much lesser extent Atlanta, show how bad a team can get quickly and how quickly they can turn it around with some luck, good ownership and good coaching. Atlanta was bad for a year due to a bad series of events.

 

[T Bell]

What's the verdict on Beck and Miami?

- a minor draft bust whose talent didn't match his second round draft position?

- victim of a change in coaching and management philosophy in Miami?

- might still succeed if lands in the right place?

- career backup?

- other?

I don't know much about this guy but I do recall folks hotly debating whether he was better than Kolb or vice versa, for example, so there were some who certainly liked him to a degree when he entered the league.

 

[flufhed]

Who could have seen this coming?

 

[flufhed]

What's the verdict on Beck and Miami?- a minor draft bust whose talent didn't match his second round draft position?- victim of a change in coaching and management philosophy in Miami?- might still succeed if lands in the right place?- career backup?- other?I don't know much about this guy but I do recall folks hotly debating whether he was better than Kolb or vice versa, for example, so there were some who certainly liked him to a degree when he entered the league.

He is not mentally tough enough to play QB in the NFL - see above link in my post. The few of us who pay attention to Mountain West football knew or should have known that. I see career backup in his future. But who knows, I guess people can change.

 

[Ozymandias]

What's the verdict on Beck and Miami?- a minor draft bust whose talent didn't match his second round draft position?- victim of a change in coaching and management philosophy in Miami?- might still succeed if lands in the right place?- career backup?- other?I don't know much about this guy but I do recall folks hotly debating whether he was better than Kolb or vice versa, for example, so there were some who certainly liked him to a degree when he entered the league.

He is not mentally tough enough to play QB in the NFL - see above link in my post. The few of us who pay attention to Mountain West football knew or should have known that. I see career backup in his future. But who knows, I guess people can change.

Of course, it's brilliant of you to have seen that. But the reality is, most qb's in most college leagues don't have what it takes. Whether it is mental tougness, or quick reads, or arm strength, or not having enough protection, or whatever, most of them are busts. And it sure helps to go into the right system. See Matt Cassel, vs Matt Leinart.QB's taken in 2007, in the first 4 rounds: JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck, Drew Stanton, Trent Edwards, Isaiah Stanback. How many will make it in the NFL?

 

[trader jake]

The Dolphins reached for Ted Ginn Jr at 1.09 instead of selecting Brady Quinn. They compounded that mistake by forcing a quarterback selection in the second round (Hey, look at how smart our draft plan was...we got a great punt returner wide receiver and still got our quarterback!!!). Horrible plan and it rightly cost that entire football operation their jobs.

To be fair to John Beck he was thrown into an almost impossible situation to be successful. I hope he gets another legit shot with a team that is willing to work with him for a back-up QB spot. Similar to the opportunity the Giants gave David Carr.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The Dolphins reached for Ted Ginn Jr at 1.09 instead of selecting Brady Quinn. They compounded that mistake by forcing a quarterback selection in the second round (Hey, look at how smart our draft plan was...we got a great punt returner wide receiver and still got our quarterback!!!). Horrible plan and it rightly cost that entire football operation their jobs.

To be fair to John Beck he was thrown into an almost impossible situation to be successful. I hope he gets another legit shot with a team that is willing to work with him for a back-up QB spot. Similar to the opportunity the Giants gave David Carr.

To be fair, Brady Quinn wasn't worth the 9th pick in the draft either. He wasn't even worth the pick Cleveland used on him.

 

[trader jake]

The Dolphins reached for Ted Ginn Jr at 1.09 instead of selecting Brady Quinn. They compounded that mistake by forcing a quarterback selection in the second round (Hey, look at how smart our draft plan was...we got a great punt returner wide receiver and still got our quarterback!!!). Horrible plan and it rightly cost that entire football operation their jobs.

To be fair to John Beck he was thrown into an almost impossible situation to be successful. I hope he gets another legit shot with a team that is willing to work with him for a back-up QB spot. Similar to the opportunity the Giants gave David Carr.

To be fair, Brady Quinn wasn't worth the 9th pick in the draft either. He wasn't even worth the pick Cleveland used on him.

We'll see soon enough. The Dolphins draft that year was equivalent to the Raiders draft from this past weekend and it all could have been avoided had they selected Quinn. Add in back-to-back 2nd round QB selections by Parcells (Henne and White) and that's a lot of draft pick value that could have easily be used to improve the team in other areas.

 

[T Bell]

The Dolphins reached for Ted Ginn Jr at 1.09 instead of selecting Brady Quinn. They compounded that mistake by forcing a quarterback selection in the second round (Hey, look at how smart our draft plan was...we got a great punt returner wide receiver and still got our quarterback!!!). Horrible plan and it rightly cost that entire football operation their jobs.

To be fair to John Beck he was thrown into an almost impossible situation to be successful. I hope he gets another legit shot with a team that is willing to work with him for a back-up QB spot. Similar to the opportunity the Giants gave David Carr.

To be fair, Brady Quinn wasn't worth the 9th pick in the draft either. He wasn't even worth the pick Cleveland used on him.

We'll see soon enough. The Dolphins draft that year was equivalent to the Raiders draft from this past weekend and it all could have been avoided had they selected Quinn. Add in back-to-back 2nd round QB selections by Parcells (Henne and White) and that's a lot of draft pick value that could have easily be used to improve the team in other areas.

This was a weak draft class. I'm not convinced that the White pick had a whole lot of opportunity cost associated with it.

 

[massraider]

The Dolphins reached for Ted Ginn Jr at 1.09 instead of selecting Brady Quinn. They compounded that mistake by forcing a quarterback selection in the second round (Hey, look at how smart our draft plan was...we got a great punt returner wide receiver and still got our quarterback!!!). Horrible plan and it rightly cost that entire football operation their jobs.

To be fair to John Beck he was thrown into an almost impossible situation to be successful. I hope he gets another legit shot with a team that is willing to work with him for a back-up QB spot. Similar to the opportunity the Giants gave David Carr.

To be fair, Brady Quinn wasn't worth the 9th pick in the draft either. He wasn't even worth the pick Cleveland used on him.

We'll see soon enough. The Dolphins draft that year was equivalent to the Raiders draft from this past weekend and it all could have been avoided had they selected Quinn. Add in back-to-back 2nd round QB selections by Parcells (Henne and White) and that's a lot of draft pick value that could have easily be used to improve the team in other areas.

Will we? Or is Brady Quinn the next Beck, the next Drew Stanton, the next young Qb that didn't get a chance? All it takes is a coach change, and last years QBOTF is just a guy.

Especially when you don't have a lot of money invested in them. Coaches won't show the patience, if they can just go out and get the next flavor of the week.

The good thing about no rookie cap is that the Jets and Lions will HAVE to be patient with Sanchez and Stafford. It's the main reason I am in favor of teams taking a QB at the top of the draft if one is there. The contract insures that they can't just walk away from him, and have to give him some rope.

As to the Fins draft that year, it would have bween more like the Raiders if they had taken the guy at #9 that they could have had much later. Like........Quinn. Quinn at #9 would have been a massive reach, and we know this because he didn't go anywhere till the Browns took him later.

 

[trader jake]

The Dolphins reached for Ted Ginn Jr at 1.09 instead of selecting Brady Quinn. They compounded that mistake by forcing a quarterback selection in the second round (Hey, look at how smart our draft plan was...we got a great punt returner wide receiver and still got our quarterback!!!). Horrible plan and it rightly cost that entire football operation their jobs.

To be fair to John Beck he was thrown into an almost impossible situation to be successful. I hope he gets another legit shot with a team that is willing to work with him for a back-up QB spot. Similar to the opportunity the Giants gave David Carr.

To be fair, Brady Quinn wasn't worth the 9th pick in the draft either. He wasn't even worth the pick Cleveland used on him.

We'll see soon enough. The Dolphins draft that year was equivalent to the Raiders draft from this past weekend and it all could have been avoided had they selected Quinn. Add in back-to-back 2nd round QB selections by Parcells (Henne and White) and that's a lot of draft pick value that could have easily be used to improve the team in other areas.

Will we? Or is Brady Quinn the next Beck, the next Drew Stanton, the next young Qb that didn't get a chance? All it takes is a coach change, and last years QBOTF is just a guy.

Especially when you don't have a lot of money invested in them. Coaches won't show the patience, if they can just go out and get the next flavor of the week.

The good thing about no rookie cap is that the Jets and Lions will HAVE to be patient with Sanchez and Stafford. It's the main reason I am in favor of teams taking a QB at the top of the draft if one is there. The contract insures that they can't just walk away from him, and have to give him some rope.

As to the Fins draft that year, it would have bween more like the Raiders if they had taken the guy at #9 that they could have had much later. Like........Quinn. Quinn at #9 would have been a massive reach, and we know this because he didn't go anywhere till the Browns took him later.

If Quinn doesn't get his shot in Cleveland he will get it elsewhere because he has a superior skillset to players like Stanton or Beck. To say he would have been a "massive reach at #9" because of how far he fell during the draft is inaccurate. The 1st round is primarily need based now. Look no further than the previous season where Aaron Rodgers fell down the draft board. Same principle in action: need over player grade.I would also argue that your high draft QB philosophy has the opposite effect than the one you're espousing above. When a team selects a quarterback high in the draft they are often NOT patient and will often cave to the pressure to play the high priced draft pick. Again, look no further than the two drafts mentioned above. In the drafts where Brady Quinn and Aaron Rodgers fell the top overall picks (JaMarcus Russell and Alex Smith) one was forced onto the field before he was ready and looks less capable of success while the other is already considered a bust in the NFL.

My point regarding Beck..he was a victim of a bad organization trying to erase their draft reach of Ginn at #9. They needed to add a quarterback they should have just selected in the 1st round and they put Beck behind the 8 ball from jumpstreet. I hope he gets another shot to prove himself because he had no chance the first time around.

 

[flufhed]

What's the verdict on Beck and Miami?- a minor draft bust whose talent didn't match his second round draft position?- victim of a change in coaching and management philosophy in Miami?- might still succeed if lands in the right place?- career backup?- other?I don't know much about this guy but I do recall folks hotly debating whether he was better than Kolb or vice versa, for example, so there were some who certainly liked him to a degree when he entered the league.

He is not mentally tough enough to play QB in the NFL - see above link in my post. The few of us who pay attention to Mountain West football knew or should have known that. I see career backup in his future. But who knows, I guess people can change.

Of course, it's brilliant of you to have seen that.

Thanks! To answer your question, many QBs don't make it, many do. It is often hard to tell. With Beck, it was an easy call. Very easy. This really wasn't a case of me being brilliant. It was a case of me having more information than most on this topic. Which happens rarely.

 

[massraider]

If Quinn doesn't get his shot in Cleveland he will get it elsewhere because he has a superior skillset to players like Stanton or Beck. To say he would have been a "massive reach at #9" because of how far he fell during the draft is inaccurate. The 1st round is primarily need based now. Look no further than the previous season where Aaron Rodgers fell down the draft board. Same principle in action: need over player grade.

Inaccurate? That's the only fact we know for sure about all this. There's a player that the Fins took at 9. He was available in the 20's. The team that took him didn't think he was worth #3. As far as need over player grade, whose grade? Your? Mine? Kiper's? With the uncertainty of the new CLE regime, the acquisiton of Ratliff, it is becoming more and more clear that Brady Quinn's draft grade was a bit lower amongst the guys that would have had to actually pick him. The Chiefs were sitting there at 23, and made no move to get him. 49ers, Ravens, a lot of teams that could have used a young QB. Nothing. Where is the demand for Quinn now?

I would also argue that your high draft QB philosophy has the opposite effect than the one you're espousing above. When a team selects a quarterback high in the draft they are often NOT patient and will often cave to the pressure to play the high priced draft pick. Again, look no further than the two drafts mentioned above. In the drafts where Brady Quinn and Aaron Rodgers fell the top overall picks (JaMarcus Russell and Alex Smith) one was forced onto the field before he was ready and looks less capable of success while the other is already considered a bust in the NFL.

We are talking about slightly different things here. Let's use Alex Smith as an example, but I will use your Russell explanation, which you seem to have backwards. Was Alex Smith rushed onto the field too soon, because of the deal? Maybe. But I know he got more of a chance to succeed, because of that contract. he got more time under center. Look at John Beck, Drew Stanton, or from the Raiders, Andrew Walter. None of them got much of a look at QB, because they were all 2nd round picks, or lower. If the 49ers had given 4 starts to Alex Smith, and then pulled the plug, they would have been run out of town.

My point regarding Beck..he was a victim of a bad organization trying to erase their draft reach of Ginn at #9. They needed to add a quarterback they should have just selected in the 1st round and they put Beck behind the 8 ball from jumpstreet. I hope he gets another shot to prove himself because he had no chance the first time around.

I don't know if he was a victim of a bad organization, or a victim of a team that changed leadership, and the new guys weren't married to the old guy. They have little financial stake in him, so they can cut him, and call him a bad pick by the last regime.

 

[Ozymandias]

What's the verdict on Beck and Miami?- a minor draft bust whose talent didn't match his second round draft position?- victim of a change in coaching and management philosophy in Miami?- might still succeed if lands in the right place?- career backup?- other?I don't know much about this guy but I do recall folks hotly debating whether he was better than Kolb or vice versa, for example, so there were some who certainly liked him to a degree when he entered the league.

He is not mentally tough enough to play QB in the NFL - see above link in my post. The few of us who pay attention to Mountain West football knew or should have known that. I see career backup in his future. But who knows, I guess people can change.

Of course, it's brilliant of you to have seen that. But the reality is, most qb's in most college leagues don't have what it takes. Whether it is mental tougness, or quick reads, or arm strength, or not having enough protection, or whatever, most of them are busts. And it sure helps to go into the right system. See Matt Cassel, vs Matt Leinart.QB's taken in 2007, in the first 4 rounds: JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck, Drew Stanton, Trent Edwards, Isaiah Stanback. How many will make it in the NFL?

Thanks! To answer your question, many QBs don't make it, many do. It is often hard to tell. With Beck, it was an easy call. Very easy. This really wasn't a case of me being brilliant. It was a case of me having more information than most on this topic. Which happens rarely.

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