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The Raiders OL looked great against the Chargers on MNF. Now they get a KC D that made Willis McGahee look great and this was after giving up 100+ yards to Ray Rice. Since Michael Bush will get all the goal line carries against the Chiefs, are you confident in starting him this week and if yes, over who?

I am starting him over Benson (vs GB), LT (hurt and vs Baltimore) and Moreno (good match up vs Cleveland but no idea how many carries he will get and how healthy he is)

What about you?

 
I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.. I am not sure Bush will always be in when the Raiders are inside the ten, although I am sure he will see some of those chances.... If you have seen some quotes to the contrary I would love to see them....

 
The Raiders OL looked great against the Chargers on MNF. Now they get a KC D that made Willis McGahee look great and this was after giving up 100+ yards to Ray Rice. Since Michael Bush will get all the goal line carries against the Chiefs, are you confident in starting him this week and if yes, over who?I am starting him over Benson (vs GB), LT (hurt and vs Baltimore) and Moreno (good match up vs Cleveland but no idea how many carries he will get and how healthy he is)What about you?
How do you know that Bush is going to get all the goal-line caries? I don't think we really know that yet. The raiders were only in the redzone once in that game.
 
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I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.
McFadden owner?
 
Consideirng starting him over K. Smith (vs MIN), LT (in a boot), and R. Bush (vs PHI). And yes, I consider M. Bush to be the goaline back from 10 yrds in. Nothing to base this on other than Monday night and how hard he runs in the RZ.

 
The Raiders OL looked great against the Chargers on MNF. Now they get a KC D that made Willis McGahee look great and this was after giving up 100+ yards to Ray Rice. Since Michael Bush will get all the goal line carries against the Chiefs, are you confident in starting him this week and if yes, over who?I am starting him over Benson (vs GB), LT (hurt and vs Baltimore) and Moreno (good match up vs Cleveland but no idea how many carries he will get and how healthy he is)What about you?
How do you know that Bush is going to get all the goal-line caries? I don't think we really know that yet. The radiers were only in the redzone once in that game.
He's a bruising hammer in a fullback type of way, but he's elusive like a tailback. Far better suited to GL work than McFadden.
 
I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.
McFadden owner?
Actually I own them both in both my leagues... Just thinking it is a leap to conclude Bush is the goalline back....Bush owner?
 
The Raiders OL looked great against the Chargers on MNF. Now they get a KC D that made Willis McGahee look great and this was after giving up 100+ yards to Ray Rice. Since Michael Bush will get all the goal line carries against the Chiefs, are you confident in starting him this week and if yes, over who?I am starting him over Benson (vs GB), LT (hurt and vs Baltimore) and Moreno (good match up vs Cleveland but no idea how many carries he will get and how healthy he is)What about you?
How do you know that Bush is going to get all the goal-line caries? I don't think we really know that yet. The radiers were only in the redzone once in that game.
He's a bruising hammer in a fullback type of way, but he's elusive like a tailback. Far better suited to GL work than McFadden.
I agree but McFadden seems so much faster than Bush, also McFadden seems to be a pretty good reciever. I hope the raiders start throwing the ball to McFadden more often. I liked seeing the raiders throw some to Mcfadden in the 4th quarter.
 
I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.
McFadden owner?
Actually I own them both in both my leagues... Just thinking it is a leap to conclude Bush is the goalline back....Bush owner?
Indeed. In fact he's the key to my 2009 fantasy season. :lmao: I stated back in April that he'd be the goal line back (post #6), and I see no reason to back off that stance. No coaches quotes... nothing official. Just based it off what I see with my own eyes.
 
The Raiders OL looked great against the Chargers on MNF. Now they get a KC D that made Willis McGahee look great and this was after giving up 100+ yards to Ray Rice. Since Michael Bush will get all the goal line carries against the Chiefs, are you confident in starting him this week and if yes, over who?I am starting him over Benson (vs GB), LT (hurt and vs Baltimore) and Moreno (good match up vs Cleveland but no idea how many carries he will get and how healthy he is)What about you?
How do you know that Bush is going to get all the goal-line caries? I don't think we really know that yet. The radiers were only in the redzone once in that game.
He's a bruising hammer in a fullback type of way, but he's elusive like a tailback. Far better suited to GL work than McFadden.
I agree but McFadden seems so much faster than Bush, also McFadden seems to be a pretty good reciever. I hope the raiders start throwing the ball to McFadden more often. I liked seeing the raiders throw some to Mcfadden in the 4th quarter.
McFadden is faster than MOST human beings. But in regards to goal line carries, that's not a vital factor IMO, unless you're talking about beating a defender to the pylon on a stretch play. In a goal line back, I'd rank power, patience and vision above speed.
 
Might start him over Ronnie. While we're on Raider RBs, would you guys rather have McFadden or Ronnie on your roster in a non-PPR keeper?

 
Might start him over Ronnie. While we're on Raider RBs, would you guys rather have McFadden or Ronnie on your roster in a non-PPR keeper?
I like McFadden better, although in dynasty, supposedly Ricky is retireing after this year, right? So, Ronnie would be the main guy, that might push it to Ronnie but there's no garrentee that they won't bring in somebody else to split carries with Ronnie. The dolphins seem to like the RBBC.
 
The Raiders OL looked great against the Chargers on MNF. Now they get a KC D that made Willis McGahee look great and this was after giving up 100+ yards to Ray Rice. Since Michael Bush will get all the goal line carries against the Chiefs, are you confident in starting him this week and if yes, over who?I am starting him over Benson (vs GB), LT (hurt and vs Baltimore) and Moreno (good match up vs Cleveland but no idea how many carries he will get and how healthy he is)What about you?
How do you know that Bush is going to get all the goal-line caries? I don't think we really know that yet. The raiders were only in the redzone once in that game.
Bush seemed to be better at running between the tackles and has more of a bullish frame with power and vision. Given how Cable loves the smash mouth football, I am purely guessing that he would go with Bush at the goal line.Did anyone see the KC game BTW? The Chiefs seemed to have given up yards via the air and the ground....given how young Russell is and his inaccuracy issues, I am guessing Cable will put this game in his RBs hands. Given how good the Raiders D looked with Seymour, I think KC will have trouble scoring, keeping it a close game. You could easily see a game where Bush gets 20 carries and McFadden gets 15....
 
Nothing against Bush, but I thought McFadden looked outstanding between the tackles.... Extremely decisive and carried a thump when he got hit... I dont see anything that would make me feel McFadden cant run between the tackles...

I could see them using Bush as the goalline back, he looked very good as well but not because McFadden is a terrible option down there.

 
Anyone have both McFadden and Bush in the same league? I've got lineup decision to make, but I'm leaning toward starting both of them.

DMC

Bush

Ronnie Brown, home vs. Indy

Leon Washington, home vs. NE

I'll probably start DMC, Bush, and Leon and sit Ronnie on the bench till Miami shows me that 1.) they can have a productive offense and 2.) they will give the ball to Ronnie more than 10 times in a game. However it is an encouraging matchup at home against a Colts defense that allowed a 20 point game to MJD last week. However, MJD was the focus of his offense, and

Last week's Ravens RBBC vs. KC defense totals:

35 carries, 171 yards (4.9ypc), 2 TDs
9 receptions, 66 yards, 1 TD
50.7 fantasy points in PPRDoes anyone think that the Raiders, with a slightly inferior o-line and playing on the road can get 75% of these stats? That would still be around 38 points from RB1 and RB2 in my lineup. I'd hate to gamble with either one of DMC or Bush only to see the other one get more stats.

Also, it's worth considering this very nice game last year @ Arrowhead:

McFadden: 21 rushes, 164 yards, 1 TD, 1 reception, 9 yards => 22.3
Bush: 16 rushes, 90 yards, 1 TD => 13 points
Fargas also had 9 carries for 43 yardsHopefully, Fargas won't play again, or play very little.

 
Anyone have both McFadden and Bush in the same league? I've got lineup decision to make, but I'm leaning toward starting both of them.

DMC

Bush

Ronnie Brown, home vs. Indy

Leon Washington, home vs. NE

I'll probably start DMC, Bush, and Leon and sit Ronnie on the bench till Miami shows me that 1.) they can have a productive offense and 2.) they will give the ball to Ronnie more than 10 times in a game. However it is an encouraging matchup at home against a Colts defense that allowed a 20 point game to MJD last week. However, MJD was the focus of his offense, and

Last week's Ravens RBBC vs. KC defense totals:

35 carries, 171 yards (4.9ypc), 2 TDs
9 receptions, 66 yards, 1 TD
50.7 fantasy points in PPRDoes anyone think that the Raiders, with a slightly inferior o-line and playing on the road can get 75% of these stats? That would still be around 38 points from RB1 and RB2 in my lineup. I'd hate to gamble with either one of DMC or Bush only to see the other one get more stats.

Also, it's worth considering this very nice game last year @ Arrowhead:

McFadden: 21 rushes, 164 yards, 1 TD, 1 reception, 9 yards => 22.3
Bush: 16 rushes, 90 yards, 1 TD => 13 points
Fargas also had 9 carries for 43 yardsHopefully, Fargas won't play again, or play very little.
I have a similar situation. I have McFadden, Bush, Rice, Willis, Ronnie and Ricky. Started Ronnie, McFadden and Rice last week, and watched Ricky, Willis (twice !!) and Bush each score TDs while sitting on my bench. Plan to start the same 3 guys again in week 2. Hopefully I get better results.Oh the pain...the pain

 
From RN's thread...

Some disturbing comments from Cable today re: Bush's situation..

** Running back Justin Fargas is back this week from a month-long hamstring. He won't take over for starter Darren McFadden, but don't rule him out just yet.

Cable said he will stick with the two-back system from Monday: McFadden as the starter, the backup getting his own share of carries. Bush was the backup Monday. Fargas could get a turn, too. There won't be a third back used in a single game unless there's an injury.

So who's No. 2? Cable hasn't decided, and it could change week to week depending on the game plan and opponent.

"Justin Fargas is proven and proven in this system," Cable said. "There's plenty of us to go around. What it does is, it brings a couple of more packages into the offense, which is kind of nice, so, hopefully, we'll get to do some of that this week."
 
From RN's thread...

Some disturbing comments from Cable today re: Bush's situation..

** Running back Justin Fargas is back this week from a month-long hamstring. He won't take over for starter Darren McFadden, but don't rule him out just yet.

Cable said he will stick with the two-back system from Monday: McFadden as the starter, the backup getting his own share of carries. Bush was the backup Monday. Fargas could get a turn, too. There won't be a third back used in a single game unless there's an injury.

So who's No. 2? Cable hasn't decided, and it could change week to week depending on the game plan and opponent.

"Justin Fargas is proven and proven in this system," Cable said. "There's plenty of us to go around. What it does is, it brings a couple of more packages into the offense, which is kind of nice, so, hopefully, we'll get to do some of that this week."
This is why I love the Shark pool....great, now I go back to starting Benson....dayum.
 
Why would Cable go with a guy who has a bum hammy over Bush?

I am trying to decide between Bush and Caddy. That statement by Cable probably just sealed the deal for Caddy.

 
Any guys in the know--- where is K.C.'s main run defense weakness.. On the edge or up the gut? If on the edge, than McFadden will be the one to excel with his speed around the corner, and vice versa for Bush if up the gut... or are they just bad all around!!lol

 
I agree but McFadden seems so much faster than Bush, also McFadden seems to be a pretty good reciever. I hope the raiders start throwing the ball to McFadden more often. I liked seeing the raiders throw some to Mcfadden in the 4th quarter.
Actually Bush looked pretty good as a receiver and I can specifically remember 2-3 pass plays to Bush that were nullified by penalties that probably cost him close to 30yds.
 
I considered Bush over Julius Jones, but got scared off by Cable's comments on how he'll only use 2 RBs. I'm just scared it could be Fargas this week. I think I'll wait a week or 2 and see how this plays out. At least I know Julius is starting. There is no guarantee Bush even sees action.

 
Unless your league weighs TD's heavily compared to yardage, I think McFadden is the start.

He's going to get his touches in all facets of the game. He also has homerun potential that could come into play against KC.

Sure, it's RBBC, but all indications are that McFadden is getting the larger share. He's the starter.

I couldn't tell much of a difference between Bush and McFadden between the tackles. Both hit the hole hard and lean forward.

Maybe Bush can run through the shoe lace swipe that Howard put on McFadden on Monday, but Howard wouldn't have had to make a desperation swipe on Bush, he would have put the shoulder on him for a shorter gain.

 
I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.
McFadden owner?
Actually I own them both in both my leagues... Just thinking it is a leap to conclude Bush is the goalline back....Bush owner?
Indeed. In fact he's the key to my 2009 fantasy season. ;) I stated back in April that he'd be the goal line back (post #6), and I see no reason to back off that stance. No coaches quotes... nothing official. Just based it off what I see with my own eyes.
bush got zero goalline carries monday. his touchdown came on 3rd and 4. only mcfadden received 3rd and short carries. only mcfadden carried the ball on any short yardage downs.

not saying mcfadden is the goalline back. just saying that we won't know who is the goalline back until one of them gets some goalline carries.

until then, i'd prefer to look at short yardage situations for an indication over a player's weight.

 
I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.
McFadden owner?
Actually I own them both in both my leagues... Just thinking it is a leap to conclude Bush is the goalline back....Bush owner?
Indeed. In fact he's the key to my 2009 fantasy season. ;) I stated back in April that he'd be the goal line back (post #6), and I see no reason to back off that stance. No coaches quotes... nothing official. Just based it off what I see with my own eyes.
which is one red zone series of 1 regular season game...Pretty tough to suggest that someone's contrary opinion is biased by player ownership when your own is exactly the same. Pot, kettle, black.

 
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I have the same "problem" a lot of owners in this thread seem to have, I ended up with a decent RB1, DMC, Ronnie, and Bush (in 3 of 5 PPR leagues w/flex). Partially due to Cable's comments, I don't plan to start Bush in a committee with DMC this year. Which means I don't plan to start Bush at all unless DMC or Fargas goes down. I think this is one of those RBBCs where, for (emotionally detached and/or non-Raider-fan) fantasy owners, if you have the handcuff, you're ecstatic if either one goes down.

 
Why would the Raiders choose to give Fargas the ball over Bush? I haven't seen anything from Fargas that indicates he's anywhere near as talented as Michael Bush. I don't have any Raider RBs in any league, but this makes no sense to me. If this were any team other than the Raiders, I would chalk it up to coach speak.

 
bush got zero goalline carries monday. his touchdown came on 3rd and 4. only mcfadden received 3rd and short carries. only mcfadden carried the ball on any short yardage downs.not saying mcfadden is the goalline back. just saying that we won't know who is the goalline back until one of them gets some goalline carries. until then, i'd prefer to look at short yardage situations for an indication over a player's weight.
Umm...how could he get zero goalline carries...but score from the 4? Is that not a goalline carry for you...not close enough.He got 3 carries from inside the 10...and got in.1st-9, SD9 4:27 M. Bush rushed to the right for 1 yard gain2nd-8, SD8 3:50 M. Bush rushed to the right for 4 yard gain3rd-4, SD4 3:13 M. Bush rushed to the left for 4 yard touchdown. S. Janikowski made PAAs for 3rd and short...McFadden had 1 I think...and Russell ran the other 2 times on third and short.So seems like you want to use that one carry as evidence for McFadden but not the 3 carries inside the 10 as any evidence for Bush.
 
Why would the Raiders choose to give Fargas the ball over Bush? I haven't seen anything from Fargas that indicates he's anywhere near as talented as Michael Bush. I don't have any Raider RBs in any league, but this makes no sense to me. If this were any team other than the Raiders, I would chalk it up to coach speak.
I agree. The most logical reason for Cable's comment is to force KC to spend at least a fraction of time in practice preparing for Fargas. "Who's the 2nd RB going to be? I don't know, it could be the first round talent RB who had a great game last week against an above average defense, or it could be the older and less physically impressive RB coming off a hamstring injury, who happens to know the system well. You'll just have to wait and see!"Of course, Bush probably knows the system as well as Fargas.
 
I like bush this week, but I am having a serious debate with myself. Reggie bush and bell are my other choices.

I hate fargas, he doesn't have much talent but raiders give him the ball a lot when he plays. Anyone know why?

 
As a McFadden and/or Bush owner in a few leagues, I was planning on playing Bush in at least a couple of them. Fargas' return to health has be backing away slightly from that thought process though.

While Fargas has been injury prone and I agree that both McFadden and Bush are more talented, Fargas actually has the largest body of work of all the Raiders RB's and has had good success as the feature back. Is he the feature back right now? No. But, Cable's non-committal attitude towards naming who the 2nd RB will be has me worried enough to sit Bush until I see how the workload shakes out over the next week or two.

Could that set me up for leaving a bunch of points on my bench? Of course, but if I have a similar option who I know will get playing time, IMO, the prudent move is to roll with that similarly ranked player. If you don't have that luxury due to injuries or any other circumstance, the you just roll with Bush and hope he gets as much work as some are predicting. I'll probably be doing just that in a couple leagues, mostly so I can take some solace in the fact that he at least did something for me on the off-chance he goes off.

 
Just picked up bush on waivers this week and as my RB3 I'm debating starting Avery, or De jackson(hammy concern) over Bush in a PPR league because Fargas is back.

 
I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.
McFadden owner?
Actually I own them both in both my leagues... Just thinking it is a leap to conclude Bush is the goalline back....Bush owner?
Indeed. In fact he's the key to my 2009 fantasy season. :fishing: I stated back in April that he'd be the goal line back (post #6), and I see no reason to back off that stance. No coaches quotes... nothing official. Just based it off what I see with my own eyes.
which is one red zone series of 1 regular season game...Pretty tough to suggest that someone's contrary opinion is biased by player ownership when your own is exactly the same. Pot, kettle, black.
Damn. I could have SWORN I saw him play last year also. Silly me.
 
I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.. I am not sure Bush will always be in when the Raiders are inside the ten, although I am sure he will see some of those chances.... If you have seen some quotes to the contrary I would love to see them....
I agree with this. The Raiders had 6 plays with 3 yards or less to go in week 1. McFadden rushed 4 times and Russell twice. Its encouraging that Bush got 3 carries and a TD from inside the 10, but like you said, McFadden rushed the ball down the field and probably taken out cause Bush was fresher, not necessarily option 1.Eta- and since it seems to matter, I own bush in all of my leagues and mcf in none
 
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I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.. I am not sure Bush will always be in when the Raiders are inside the ten, although I am sure he will see some of those chances.... If you have seen some quotes to the contrary I would love to see them....
I agree with this. The Raiders had 6 plays with 3 yards or less to go in week 1. McFadden rushed 4 times and Russell twice. Its encouraging that Bush got 3 carries and a TD from inside the 10, but like you said, McFadden rushed the ball down the field and probably taken out cause Bush was fresher, not necessarily option 1.
Not trying to be a jerk here, but you guys REALLY think that a guy who is in the physical condition McFadden is in could not have possibly run the ball two or three more times on that drive? You don't think the plan all along was to get Bush the ball inside the 5?
 
I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.. I am not sure Bush will always be in when the Raiders are inside the ten, although I am sure he will see some of those chances.... If you have seen some quotes to the contrary I would love to see them....
I agree with this. The Raiders had 6 plays with 3 yards or less to go in week 1. McFadden rushed 4 times and Russell twice. Its encouraging that Bush got 3 carries and a TD from inside the 10, but like you said, McFadden rushed the ball down the field and probably taken out cause Bush was fresher, not necessarily option 1.
Not trying to be a jerk here, but you guys REALLY think that a guy who is in the physical condition McFadden is in could not have possibly run the ball two or three more times on that drive? You don't think the plan all along was to get Bush the ball inside the 5?
:popcorn: no idea, nor do I know how goalline compares to a midfield 3 to go, but like I said, mcf got 4 to bush's 0 for whatever reason
 
A couple of different OPINION pieces... nothing more, nothing less. If you guys see anything else, fire away.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/255218-...pdates-sep-15th

Running Backs



Darren McFadden: 17 car, 68 yds, 0 TD, 2 rec, 25 yds, 0 TD

McFadden was solid in his debut as Oakland's starter, but no scores and a lost fumble aided in him failing to light it up in front of the nation. He's a solid fantasy option down the stretch and a good bet for 20 touches per game, but clearly lost out to back-up Michael Bush once Oakland entered the 20 yard-line.

Michael Bush: 12 att, 55 yds, 1 TD, 1 rec, 4 yds, 0 TD

Despite not starting the game, Bush finished the game against San Diego as if he were the top dog in Oakland.

McFadden is clearly Tom Cable's choice on third downs due to his elite pass-catching ability, while Bush's hard running makes him best suited for short yardage and goal-line duties.

While McFadden is the clear-cut official starter, expect Bush to cut-in to his touchdowns and be the guy they call for short yardage situations. He currently holds a slight edge over Fargas as a fantasy option.



Justin Fargas: DNP

While Fargas is set to return from injury in week two against the Chiefs, coach Tom Cable has not decided what his role will be.

After both McFadden and Bush were solid on Monday night, it's entirely possible that Fargas takes the back-seat and is relegated to the third running back role.

However, due to his superior blitz pick-up and blocking ability, he's an asset the offense can't completely do without.
http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/northwe...ead.23ff46.html
Justin fargas (hamstring) returned to practice Wednesday, raising questions about how the Raiders will use their three running backs. Coach Tom Cable quickly put to sleep any notion of Darren McFassen getting less work.

"I look at it as Darren is the starter and the other two guys are his backup," Cable said.

Expect Michael Bush to be McFadden's primary backup and handle short-yardage/goal-line duties. Fargas will have a very limited role.
 
I think the perception that Bush is the goalline back is a little misleading... I haven't seen anything that states that, and the fact that he was in at the goalline seemed to be more coincidence and a matter of McFadden being tired than anything else.. I am not sure Bush will always be in when the Raiders are inside the ten, although I am sure he will see some of those chances.... If you have seen some quotes to the contrary I would love to see them....
I agree with this. The Raiders had 6 plays with 3 yards or less to go in week 1. McFadden rushed 4 times and Russell twice. Its encouraging that Bush got 3 carries and a TD from inside the 10, but like you said, McFadden rushed the ball down the field and probably taken out cause Bush was fresher, not necessarily option 1.
Not trying to be a jerk here, but you guys REALLY think that a guy who is in the physical condition McFadden is in could not have possibly run the ball two or three more times on that drive? You don't think the plan all along was to get Bush the ball inside the 5?
:popcorn: no idea, nor do I know how goalline compares to a midfield 3 to go, but like I said, mcf got 4 to bush's 0 for whatever reason
I can't be 100% certain with any of this either. We're all just gonna need to relax and see where things shake out come week 3 or 4.
 

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