footballguy#1
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Reminds me a bit of Bettis tonight, looking good enough to be an everydown back next year, he is a free agent next year.
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Kwai Chang Caine
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Exactly what I said to my wife and buddy!
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I think he is. He's burly and they like to use him in short yardage situations, so it seems he gets pigeon-holed as a one-dimensional "power back." But he can do lots of things. He's got good burst, can catch the ball out of the backfield, and, as we're seeing tonight, can carry a heavy workload. I don't see what he wouldn't be a great RB1 for some team willing to give him that chance.
He without a doubt gets a big payday next year to carry the load with another team. He'd be a great complement to a speedy/elusive RB. Someone else hit the nail in the head when they noted that he's not great at any one thing, but is fairly competent and productive in each part of the game
Sir Chadwick
Footballguy
Yes, he really is that good when given the opportunity. He's one of the most valuable handcuffs in the league along with Tate imo.
theplayer11
Footballguy
anyone with some speed might have had 4 TDs last night..big powerful, but slowww
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mikel0254
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As a Lions fan, I'm hoping Mayhew will see him as a fit. Pair him with Best (assuming he comes back) and that's a pretty scary 1-2 punch. With Leshoure coming off an achilles, I'm not expecting him to regain his college form...although I hope I'm wrong. Just not a ton of track record with RB's rebounding after achilles injuries.
FantasyCommish
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IMHO, Atlanta (having less picks after the Julio Jones trade) or Detroit would be wise to make a play for Bush. Turner is not getting any younger and Detroit has a need for an every down back. 
mikel0254
Footballguy
I'd personally trade the speed for a guy who almost never gets negative yards.
Dought Man
Footballguy
I loved when the announcer kept saying, "McFadden would have scored there.." Really? How often does Mcfadden break 3 long touchdowns in a game? I think they were taking for granted how Bush plowed through the line/had vision to get to the right hole. They were giving him no credit.
scrumptrulescent
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McFadden would have scored 2 to 3 long TD's last night. SD was horrible and the Oakland screens worked to perfection. Bush was great but he couldn't do the things a healthy McFadden would have done in the open field last night. It's not meant to be a slight against Bush, who was fantastic, it's just stating the facts.
the screens were just wide open and the first long run they were talking about involved running straight where the play was directed through a gaping hole. I think McFadden can pull that off
Healthy McFadden?
ditka...mike ditka
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Post like this really make me question someones football I.Q. You do realize that different defenses are used against different players right? If McFadden is in in those situations, different plays likely would of been called to account for McFaddens speed. Do you think people played the same defense when Tiki Barber or Ron Dayne were in the backfield (or any other thunder/lightening combo).
All this McFadden woulda, coulda shoulda stuff just needs to stop. We heard it enough from Mike Mayock last night and it is appearing in numerous other threads already.
Of course, McFadden has better speed and is generally the better back. And the O-line played great.
But Michael Bush just broke the single-game total yards from scrimmage record for the Raiders (242 yds). McFadden never did that.
Give Bush his due for what he did IN HIS OWN WAY and please leave it at that. It has nothing to do with what McFadden "might have done."
Of course, McFadden has better speed and is generally the better back. And the O-line played great.
But Michael Bush just broke the single-game total yards from scrimmage record for the Raiders (242 yds). McFadden never did that.
Give Bush his due for what he did IN HIS OWN WAY and please leave it at that. It has nothing to do with what McFadden "might have done."
Crash Davis
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People seem to forget that at the beginning of the year last year there were many predicting Bush, not McFadden, to have the breakout year as the Raiders primary back. He got hurt and McFadden took full advantage of the opportunity as he started to flash the ability that most thought he had coming out of college. Bush has a 4.4 career ypc average and if you look at his game logs over the years he has been pretty damn good when given the opportunity to be the primary back.
In the 11 games where he carried the ball 15+ times he has 236 carries for 1187 yards (5.02 ypc) and 9 TDs. You can argue that the Raiders run blocking is very good and he benefits from that, but he has certainly taken advantage of the opportunities he's been given.
In the 11 games where he carried the ball 15+ times he has 236 carries for 1187 yards (5.02 ypc) and 9 TDs. You can argue that the Raiders run blocking is very good and he benefits from that, but he has certainly taken advantage of the opportunities he's been given.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If he didn't break his leg badly during his senior year at Lousiville, he was projected to be a high first round pick.
djmich
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
I don't know how many people really remember/followed but Bush was a monster in college until he broke his leg against kentucky. At the time, I thought Michael and not Reggie would be a much better FF pick in a rookie draft.
I think he just is a great complete back and I can definitely see a team like Atlanta looking at him in FA and saying "there is our turner replacement".
I think he just is a great complete back and I can definitely see a team like Atlanta looking at him in FA and saying "there is our turner replacement".
amen bro. So many haters that see things through any colored lens but reality colored!
scrumptrulescent
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Nice. I'm guessing you "watch a lot of tape".
What part of "Bush was great but he couldn't do the things a healthy McFadden would have done in the open field last night" has anything to do with what you said? Oakland was running a lot of 2 minute style offense. Tell me with your superior football IQ how SD was going to get their McFadden Defense in to keep Oakland from getting him in the open field?SD knew the run was coming last night and was helpless against it. Oakland would have surely gotten McFadden the ball in space and he would have had a big night against SD's pitiful D.
Sir Chadwick
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We'd welcome him with open arms in Atlanta. Love Turner, but he's bound to break down a bit next year.
For a 245 lb'er, I think his speed isn't really an issue considering he is so well-rounded.
For a 245 lb'er, I think his speed isn't really an issue considering he is so well-rounded.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Bush was great last night, I wouldn't take anything away from him. He was absolutely awesome. But if he had another gear he would have broken records. A lot of that had to do with SD's defense last night. It was that bad.
Loved watching him run in college, he was a beast. Yes, he lacks the elite speed of a McFadden, but he is a VERY good runner. Despite lacking that elite speed he still had a monster night last night.Hope you own him in dynasty leagues, enjoy him this year if you own him in redraft. Remember him next year.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Between Best & Leshoure's injuries they really do need someone who can take the brunt of the tough carries.
RavenLunatic
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Great hands. On at least one of the long receptions he had to snag a low throw.
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RhymesMcJuice
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People forget that before he was injured he was being talked about as the 2nd best RB going into the draft after Peterson.Football's Future had him at #3 after the injury and here's the scouting profile.
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RhymesMcJuice
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He'd be a perfect Turner replacement but unless the Falcons cut him they aren't going to sign Bush. Cap-wise they could cut Turner easily (his 2012 cap hit is $7.5M but they only have $5M of his bonus left on the books) but I think it would be terrible for morale.
az_prof
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They may give Turner the option to stay if he restructures and if he doesn't cut him. That seems to be a common strategy with older HBs.Curious what Turner and ATL fans think of Bush compared to Turner? They seem very similar to me. Does Turner have better top end speed or is it comparable?
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I know another RB that lacks elite speed but is lighting the league on fire: Freddie Jackson!
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
To the NY Football Giants; would fit with Jacobs probably being shown the door this year but the Giants never make a move like this.
Not that it means anything, but I am a Falcons season ticketholder and an avid Turner fan. I've been proudly wearing his jersey # since they signed him in 2008! I'm a huge fan, but I realize Turner's shortcomings at this point. He does not break a lot of tackles and he does not have great moves at this point. His stats often look like 1 yard, 2 yards, -1 yard, 4 yards, 1 yard, 18 yards. He usually breaks 1-3 runs a game over 10 yards that inflate his per carry average. Atlanta loves to dictate the tempo, so they feed him the ball even if he is only getting 2 yards a pop. Matt Ryan to Roddy White usually extends the drive on 3rd down.He only has one or two productive years left in my opinion. Bush would be an excellent replacement, but ATL has the 3rd worst salary cap situation in the NFL right now, so they might not be able to afford a guy like Bush anyway. Too bad!'az_prof said:
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
If they cut Turner it would free up 2.5M in cap space this year and 5.5M next year.
Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
I have McFadden in a money league where we can only carry 4 RB's on our roster until the bye weeks are over. The week DMC got hurt I was able to get Bush off the FA list. It's a 10 team league. Sure glad I was able to handcuff Bush with DMC. Now I don't have to put McFadden on IR because if I do he has to stay there 3 weeks regardless of his injury listing.
Bush certainly can and more than likely will be the lead back for another team next year. I just hope he goes to a team with grass instead of turf. He's a big guy and I think the turf would be bad for him.Oh he'd produce but eventually the turf may get him. Yeah I'm sure he'll play on turf on the road but 8 home games on grass will help.He's young enough still and has fresh legs so he has the chance to be a pretty productive back on another team. I think his size could also help him in terms of longevity at his position because he'll be able to sustain all the pounding he'll get. He's a rare talent at his size and I hope he has a great career form here on out.
Bush certainly can and more than likely will be the lead back for another team next year. I just hope he goes to a team with grass instead of turf. He's a big guy and I think the turf would be bad for him.Oh he'd produce but eventually the turf may get him. Yeah I'm sure he'll play on turf on the road but 8 home games on grass will help.He's young enough still and has fresh legs so he has the chance to be a pretty productive back on another team. I think his size could also help him in terms of longevity at his position because he'll be able to sustain all the pounding he'll get. He's a rare talent at his size and I hope he has a great career form here on out.
Breesisdaman
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I am trying desperately to get Bush because the guy that picked him up thinks he is only good for 1 or 2 weeks. He would rather keep Sproles and trade me Bush for Stafford. So be it.
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I don't get why people hate on this guy so hard. Yeah he's doesn't have breakaway speed, you don't have to be a CJ200 to be a good running back. He was falling down before the line of scrimmage and still coming away with +3 yardage each time, there's nothing to be mad about that. DMC may have a better skillset but all I know is that guy is injured let's look at what's going on now on the field. When the year is over he's gonna get a contract some where else and will make a difference...
wiscstlatlmia
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I'm honestly starting to think Bush could be Michael Turner 2.0. Not necessarily that they have the same style , but in the fact that hes unfairly underused for the first few years of his career. I think that if a team gives him a shot to be a feature back, he could produce borderline RB1 numbers. The most underrated atribute of Bush is his receiving ability. Coming out of Louisville, before he was lost for his entire senior year, people were talking late first round for him. Not Much flash, but hes a load with a quick burst through the line. He seems solidly above average at everything and could be a true workhorse back that carry's the load 20 times a game.
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The Hank
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Denver makes sense, would work well with what they're doing over there (from a running standpoint).
I don't think people literally mean DMC would have scored on that exact play, because defenses do line up differently. People are saying DMC would have scored if he were in the open field with as much space as Bush had. The D can "catch up" to Bush in the open field, but good luck doing that with someone who is much faster and more agile like DMC.
I've always liked him. There's a tendency by his coaches (and people in this thread even) to think he needs a complimentary RB to roll with. I don't really understand why. It's never a 3rd down back to give him a breather that is suggested, but someone to take a good chunk of the action away.
One post in this thread was almost comical because it could have been a Raiders coach. It was praise and how he can do it well and needs a complimentary back.
Somehow he's still got people to win over and that will continue to hurt his FF value
One post in this thread was almost comical because it could have been a Raiders coach. It was praise and how he can do it well and needs a complimentary back.
Somehow he's still got people to win over and that will continue to hurt his FF value
