Michael Turner...what's the story with his YPC? (1 Viewer)

[Magnum]

As a Chargers fan....and an owner of Turner last year.....I'm surprised to see his lack of success running the ball this year. Granted, the guy gets in the endzone, but what's the story on his YPC and yardage totals this year?

 

[Jeremy]

It might have something to do with his heavy workload last year. I know there has been a lot written about RBs the year after a heavy workload. I think the magic number is 370 carries or something like that.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

HORRIBLE play from O-line in the running game. Slight regression by Matt Ryan, though with his magical rookie year this was almost inevitable.

he has had no holes to speak of, and as I plodding N/S runner (despite his nickname of "the burner") that is not a recipe for success.

 

[switz]

HORRIBLE play from O-line in the running game. Slight regression by Matt Ryan, though with his magical rookie year this was almost inevitable.he has had no holes to speak of, and as I plodding N/S runner (despite his nickname of "the burner") that is not a recipe for success.

Turner is indeed a Burner, not a plodder. However, he's not quick, or shifty, he's strong and fast - straight line fast. He's going to improve, it's just a matter of time.

 

[loose circuits]

just hasn't had the creases to bust one yet, I think a huge game is coming...

 

[PatrickT]

I do not subscribe to the 370 theory but the fact is, he doesn't look as powerful as he did last year. It's true that the o-line gets some blame here, he is getting hit at or behind the line an awful lot, but he's not shaking off tacklers and so we're not seeing the yards after contact he had last year. I hate to say it, but he's looked more like TJ Duckett back there than Michael Turner.

Now, I've never charted plays, but it seems to me that the playcalling might be getting a little predictable with him. I don't know if it can be looked up but, when Turner is in, it's a run. If he's not, it might be a number of things. Again, that's just a sense that I get, I have no factual evidence to back that up.

And Ryan has been up & down, outside of SF, the offense has been pretty streaky. So, like most things, it's a combo. I wonder if they're struggling with packages based on the number of weapons they've got, I don't know. In any case, Turner may now be relegated to matchup starts until this gets straightened out. And there's also speculation that we've faced a lot of 3-4 Ds and that's giving us troubles. We face only one more 3-4 against NYJ.

Two articles that address this directly.

Steve Wyche of ESPN is a former Atlanta beat writer (Middle ariticle).

Orlando Ledbetter is a current beat writer

I've also watched a lot of interviews with Smith. They are acutely aware of the problem and I gotta believe they'll get it fixed. Will they fix it this week? Man, I hope so, or NO is going to destroy us, we won't keep up if we can't control the clock.

 

[C-Bound]

See alot of projections for a big week this week vs. the Saints. Guess he is much like a Ricky W. w/o the hands.

 

[editor47]

See alot of projections for a big week this week vs. the Saints. Guess he is much like a Ricky W. w/o the hands.

the games i've watched him his hands look just fine. he's caught every pass thrown to him that he should catch, unlike chester 'oops' taylor, supposedly one of the best at it.

 

[PatrickT]

See alot of projections for a big week this week vs. the Saints. Guess he is much like a Ricky W. w/o the hands.

the games i've watched him his hands look just fine. he's caught every pass thrown to him that he should catch, unlike chester 'oops' taylor, supposedly one of the best at it.

Ya, I've never figured out why they don't throw to him, he looks just fine catching the ball.

 

[editor47]

i understand WHY they don't throw him the ball. i just don't understand why people think just because they don't throw him the ball he can't catch it. they don't throw him the ball because he carries it 25-plus times a game. how many touches can one guy get in a game and remain effective for a year or a career? imagine if he had 32 catches last year - two a game? that doesn't seem like much but that's more than 1 game of rushing attempts ... it adds to the wear and tear.

i didn't buy the hype coming into the season that he was going to be less effective because of all of his carries last year.

i looked at last year's stats and he had a better 2nd half than 1st half except for the lions game. he has a really appealing upcoming schedule. i'm holding him hoping he breaks out big.

 

[Magnum]

I can't imagine this is the week MT goes off. If anything, against the Saints solid run D and the chance that Brees puts the saints up by 20 points in the 3rd quarter......MT may have limited carries.

 

[Knobs]

It might have something to do with his heavy workload last year. I know there has been a lot written about RBs the year after a heavy workload. I think the magic number is 370 carries or something like that.

This has been debunked with statistics numerous times. There's nothing to the 370 carry theory, or whatever other number you want to assign.

 

[C-Bound]

I can't imagine this is the week MT goes off. If anything, against the Saints solid run D and the chance that Brees puts the saints up by 20 points in the 3rd quarter......MT may have limited carries.

IMO best case he gets a lot of work first half and is sucessful; keeping the NO offense off the field and the score close. Otherwise we might see a lot of Snelling 2nd half.

 

[NYRAGE]

I can't imagine this is the week MT goes off. If anything, against the Saints solid run D and the chance that Brees puts the saints up by 20 points in the 3rd quarter......MT may have limited carries.

IMO best case he gets a lot of work first half and is sucessful; keeping the NO offense off the field and the score close. Otherwise we might see a lot of Snelling 2nd half.

Snelling missed practice today with a hammy problem. He may not play according to the blurb.

 

[C-Bound]

I can't imagine this is the week MT goes off. If anything, against the Saints solid run D and the chance that Brees puts the saints up by 20 points in the 3rd quarter......MT may have limited carries.

IMO best case he gets a lot of work first half and is sucessful; keeping the NO offense off the field and the score close. Otherwise we might see a lot of Snelling 2nd half.

Snelling missed practice today with a hammy problem. He may not play according to the blurb.

Stecker then.

 

[Tau837]

Here is part of one of my Turner spotlight posts, which illustrates some reasons this is happening:

A few things.Using Clayton Gray's Ultimate Strength of Schedule for RBs from 6/16, we can see that Atlanta is projected to be right in the middle of the NFL in terms of its RB SOS. Noteworthy is that it shows Atlanta's schedule to be about 5% tougher than last season for RBs.Meanwhile, Clayton's SOS for QBs article from 6/16 shows that Atlanta is projected to be tied for last in the league in terms of QB SOS (i.e., tied for the most difficult QB schedule). It shows Atlanta's schedule to be about 9% tougher than last season for QBs.Looking at the schedules, it makes sense. Last year, outside the division the Falcons played the AFC West, NFC North, Philadelphia, and St. Louis... who had a cumulative record of 59-100-1. This year, they play the AFC East, NFC East, Chicago, and San Francisco, who last year had a cumulative record of 92-67-1. While I realize this is an imprecise way to judge teams for this year, since there are a lot of changes year to year, that is a huge gap, so I think the overall conclusion that the overall quality of their opponents seems to be higher this year is reasonable. Which means it is reasonable to think they will face tougher defenses overall.How does this affect Turner specifically? Well, here is one set of splits of Turner's carries to consider from last season:Ahead 212/990/11Tied - 74/400/2Behind - 90/309/4Turner got roughly 18% of his rushing yards and 24% of his carries and TDs when behind. This isn't necessarily too surprising, as it makes sense that teams rush less when behind than when they aren't. But given the tougher schedule, will Atlanta be playing from behind more? It seems reasonable to think so. Here's the problem for Turner. For some RBs, that would simply mean a shift, with fewer carries but more receptions. But Turner is not involved in the passing game. As others have suggested, he'll probably top the 6 receptions he had last year, but overall this likely means less opportunity for Turner this year IMO....I don't put much stock in the 370 carry rule (or the n carry rule), but I do think it is unlikely he will maintain his 4.5 ypc against the tougher schedule and in following his 395 carry season last year... I could particularly see him starting to wear down a bit late in the season. It does appear that his SOS is pretty good in weeks 14-17, but Ryan's is the worst in the league (again referring to Clayton's projections), so that might not enable Turner to completely take advantage of his attractive schedule.

 

[gonzobill5]

playing on turf this week, watch out.

 

[MCguidance]

playing on turf this week, watch out.

Good or bad?

 

[Tau837]

playing on turf this week, watch out.

Good or bad?

I don't put a lot of stock in this due to small sample size (at least on grass), but here are his splits this season so far:Grass -- 22/97/3 (4.4 ypc), 0 fumbles lostTurf -- 96/306/4 (3.2 ypc), 2 fumbles lost

 

[gonzobill5]

playing on turf this week, watch out.

Good or bad?

I don't put a lot of stock in this due to small sample size (at least on grass), but here are his splits this season so far:Grass -- 22/97/3 (4.4 ypc), 0 fumbles lostTurf -- 96/306/4 (3.2 ypc), 2 fumbles lost

His splits last season were sensational on turf. Usually a guy with good straight line speed has some advantage on turf.

 

[Tau837]

playing on turf this week, watch out.

Good or bad?

I don't put a lot of stock in this due to small sample size (at least on grass), but here are his splits this season so far:Grass -- 22/97/3 (4.4 ypc), 0 fumbles lostTurf -- 96/306/4 (3.2 ypc), 2 fumbles lost

His splits last season were sensational on turf. Usually a guy with good straight line speed has some advantage on turf.

True. His splits from last year:Grass -- 136/536/1 (3.9 ypc), 1 fumble lostTurf -- 240/1163/16 (4.8 ypc), 1 fumble lostJust goes to show that there probably isn't much predictive value there.

 

[huthut]

Atlanta had a really easy schedule last year, and a fairly difficult one this year. He did not do all that great against good teams last year either, he just got a ton of points against the bad ones.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

look how much of his damage he did against oak, kc, det, and stl last year.

 

[teamroc]

The o-line has been awful. He's getting gang tackled at the LOS.

 

[Truman]

He's fat. Also Ovie Mughelli has been hurt this year and he's the best blocking back in the game. Doubtful starter this week too.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

See alot of projections for a big week this week vs. the Saints. Guess he is much like a Ricky W. w/o the hands.

the games i've watched him his hands look just fine. he's caught every pass thrown to him that he should catch, unlike chester 'oops' taylor, supposedly one of the best at it.

He's caught 20 passes total in a 5 1/2 year NFL career (81 games -- 1 catch every 4 games). He hasn't exactly been used much as a receiver. But I'm sure you've been keeping careful watch of that one reception every 4 games.

 

[jobarules]

I watched him quite a bit last year and I am shocked he got 1500+ yds. Everytime he ran he looked fat, slow and plodding and always seemed to run for three yds. Last yr I kept saying 1 yd and a cloud of dust everytime he touched the ball. This year I see nothing different.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I watched him quite a bit last year and I am shocked he got 1500+ yds. Everytime he ran he looked fat, slow and plodding and always seemed to run for three yds. Last yr I kept saying 1 yd and a cloud of dust everytime he touched the ball. This year I see nothing different.

He averaged 4.5 yds per carry last year. This year: 3.4 yds per carry. That is a meaningful difference.

 

[jobarules]

I watched him quite a bit last year and I am shocked he got 1500+ yds. Everytime he ran he looked fat, slow and plodding and always seemed to run for three yds. Last yr I kept saying 1 yd and a cloud of dust everytime he touched the ball. This year I see nothing different.

He averaged 4.5 yds per carry last year. This year: 3.4 yds per carry. That is a meaningful difference.

and like most everybody else said he got most of his yards in games vs horrible teams last yr driving his YPC average. In other words he looks exactly the same to me this yr as he did last yr.

 

[jobarules]

1 Sep 7 DET W 34-21 22 220 10.0 66 2

2 Sep 14 @ TAM L 9-24 14 42 3.0 17 0

3 Sep 21 KAN W 38-14 23 104 4.5 38 3

4 Sep 28 @ CAR L 9-24 18 56 3.1 10 0

5 Oct 5 @ GNB W 27-24 26 121 4.7 22 1

6 Oct 12 CHI W 22-20 25 54 2.2 23 0

7 bye

8 Oct 26 @ PHI L 14-27 17 58 3.4 22 0

9 Nov 2 @ OAK W 24-0 30 139 4.6 16 0

10 Nov 9 NOR W 34-20 27 96 3.6 20 1

11 Nov 16 DEN L 20-24 25 81 3.2 28 2

12 Nov 23 CAR W 45-28 24 117 4.9 19 4

13 Nov 30 @ SDG W 22-16 31 120 3.9 15 0

14 Dec 7 @ NOR L 25-29 18 61 3.4 26 1

15 Dec 14 TAM W 13-10 32 152 4.8 22 1

16 Dec 21 @ MIN W 24-17 19 70 3.7 13 1

17 Dec 28 STL W 31-27 25 208 8.3 70 1

I bolded the horrible defenses he played last year. You can also include NO, GB, & SD if youd like cuz they also had bad run defenses. I only count two good games against good defenses last year, the second game vs CAR & the second game vs TB.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

1 Sep 7 DET W 34-21 22 220 10.0 66 2

2 Sep 14 @ TAM L 9-24 14 42 3.0 17 0

3 Sep 21 KAN W 38-14 23 104 4.5 38 3

4 Sep 28 @ CAR L 9-24 18 56 3.1 10 0

5 Oct 5 @ GNB W 27-24 26 121 4.7 22 1

6 Oct 12 CHI W 22-20 25 54 2.2 23 0

7 bye

8 Oct 26 @ PHI L 14-27 17 58 3.4 22 0

9 Nov 2 @ OAK W 24-0 30 139 4.6 16 0

10 Nov 9 NOR W 34-20 27 96 3.6 20 1

11 Nov 16 DEN L 20-24 25 81 3.2 28 2

12 Nov 23 CAR W 45-28 24 117 4.9 19 4

13 Nov 30 @ SDG W 22-16 31 120 3.9 15 0

14 Dec 7 @ NOR L 25-29 18 61 3.4 26 1

15 Dec 14 TAM W 13-10 32 152 4.8 22 1

16 Dec 21 @ MIN W 24-17 19 70 3.7 13 1

17 Dec 28 STL W 31-27 25 208 8.3 70 1

I bolded the horrible defenses he played last year. You can also include NO, GB, & SD if youd like cuz they also had bad run defenses. I only count two good games against good defenses last year, the second game vs CAR & the second game vs TB.

So is your argument that he hasn't faced any bad defenses this year? Or that he hasn't lit up bad defenses? Just curious.

 

[jobarules]

1 Sep 7 DET W 34-21 22 220 10.0 66 2

2 Sep 14 @ TAM L 9-24 14 42 3.0 17 0

3 Sep 21 KAN W 38-14 23 104 4.5 38 3

4 Sep 28 @ CAR L 9-24 18 56 3.1 10 0

5 Oct 5 @ GNB W 27-24 26 121 4.7 22 1

6 Oct 12 CHI W 22-20 25 54 2.2 23 0

7 bye

8 Oct 26 @ PHI L 14-27 17 58 3.4 22 0

9 Nov 2 @ OAK W 24-0 30 139 4.6 16 0

10 Nov 9 NOR W 34-20 27 96 3.6 20 1

11 Nov 16 DEN L 20-24 25 81 3.2 28 2

12 Nov 23 CAR W 45-28 24 117 4.9 19 4

13 Nov 30 @ SDG W 22-16 31 120 3.9 15 0

14 Dec 7 @ NOR L 25-29 18 61 3.4 26 1

15 Dec 14 TAM W 13-10 32 152 4.8 22 1

16 Dec 21 @ MIN W 24-17 19 70 3.7 13 1

17 Dec 28 STL W 31-27 25 208 8.3 70 1

I bolded the horrible defenses he played last year. You can also include NO, GB, & SD if youd like cuz they also had bad run defenses. I only count two good games against good defenses last year, the second game vs CAR & the second game vs TB.

So is your argument that he hasn't faced any bad defenses this year? Or that he hasn't lit up bad defenses? Just curious.

The first. The only bad defense he played this year was CAR and shockingly that is his only game over 100 yds so far. Looking at his schedule it doesnt get much easier. He has two games vs TB, one vs BUF, and one more vs CAR that he should do well in.

 

[jobarules]

1 Sep 13 MIA W 19-7 22 65 3.0 12 0

2 Sep 20 CAR W 28-20 28 105 3.8 16 1

3 Sep 27 @ NWE L 10-26 15 56 3.7 7 1

4 bye

5 Oct 11 @ SFO W 45-10 22 97 4.4 33 3

6 Oct 18 CHI W 21-14 13 30 2.3 11 1

7 Oct 25 @ DAL L 21-37 18 50 2.8 15 1

Hes had an extremely tough schedule this year and hes proven in the past he cant overcome good defenses so his low YPC shouldnt be surprising. Hes still getting TDs and he should beat up on some of the bad teams I mentioned above. I think hes a low end RB1.

 

[Tau837]

1 Sep 7 DET W 34-21 22 220 10.0 66 2

2 Sep 14 @ TAM L 9-24 14 42 3.0 17 0

3 Sep 21 KAN W 38-14 23 104 4.5 38 3

4 Sep 28 @ CAR L 9-24 18 56 3.1 10 0

5 Oct 5 @ GNB W 27-24 26 121 4.7 22 1

6 Oct 12 CHI W 22-20 25 54 2.2 23 0

7 bye

8 Oct 26 @ PHI L 14-27 17 58 3.4 22 0

9 Nov 2 @ OAK W 24-0 30 139 4.6 16 0

10 Nov 9 NOR W 34-20 27 96 3.6 20 1

11 Nov 16 DEN L 20-24 25 81 3.2 28 2

12 Nov 23 CAR W 45-28 24 117 4.9 19 4

13 Nov 30 @ SDG W 22-16 31 120 3.9 15 0

14 Dec 7 @ NOR L 25-29 18 61 3.4 26 1

15 Dec 14 TAM W 13-10 32 152 4.8 22 1

16 Dec 21 @ MIN W 24-17 19 70 3.7 13 1

17 Dec 28 STL W 31-27 25 208 8.3 70 1

I bolded the horrible defenses he played last year. You can also include NO, GB, & SD if youd like cuz they also had bad run defenses. I only count two good games against good defenses last year, the second game vs CAR & the second game vs TB.

It is interesting that he averaged 4.5 ypc and had 12 TDs in 7 of those 16 games in those games, and averaged 3.9 ypc or less with "only" 5 TDs in the other 9 games... boom or bust even in his big season.

 

[PatrickT]

See alot of projections for a big week this week vs. the Saints. Guess he is much like a Ricky W. w/o the hands.

the games i've watched him his hands look just fine. he's caught every pass thrown to him that he should catch, unlike chester 'oops' taylor, supposedly one of the best at it.

He's caught 20 passes total in a 5 1/2 year NFL career (81 games -- 1 catch every 4 games). He hasn't exactly been used much as a receiver. But I'm sure you've been keeping careful watch of that one reception every 4 games.

I have for the last 1.5, and he has looked just fine catching the ball. I don't know why you'd make a big deal out of his statement. He shown no evidence that he has trouble catching the ball, and it's a mystery to outsiders why he doesn't get thrown to more.

 

[lyon812]

Most RBs are inconsistent; I'd venture a guess that Turner isn't any different in that. Though I'm too lazy to actually compare him to the Gores and Jacksons and Petersons and Johnsons of the world, I think you'll find that almost all RBs, even the uberstuds, are up and down. Turner's are simply more obvious because he doesn't supplement his stats with receptions, and because they keep giving him the ball even when the running game isn't working at all.

 

[Knobs]

He has a much nicer schedule going forward.

 

[Gadabout]

Turner Got Back.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

1 Sep 7 DET W 34-21 22 220 10.0 66 2

2 Sep 14 @ TAM L 9-24 14 42 3.0 17 0

3 Sep 21 KAN W 38-14 23 104 4.5 38 3

4 Sep 28 @ CAR L 9-24 18 56 3.1 10 0

5 Oct 5 @ GNB W 27-24 26 121 4.7 22 1

6 Oct 12 CHI W 22-20 25 54 2.2 23 0

7 bye

8 Oct 26 @ PHI L 14-27 17 58 3.4 22 0

9 Nov 2 @ OAK W 24-0 30 139 4.6 16 0

10 Nov 9 NOR W 34-20 27 96 3.6 20 1

11 Nov 16 DEN L 20-24 25 81 3.2 28 2

12 Nov 23 CAR W 45-28 24 117 4.9 19 4

13 Nov 30 @ SDG W 22-16 31 120 3.9 15 0

14 Dec 7 @ NOR L 25-29 18 61 3.4 26 1

15 Dec 14 TAM W 13-10 32 152 4.8 22 1

16 Dec 21 @ MIN W 24-17 19 70 3.7 13 1

17 Dec 28 STL W 31-27 25 208 8.3 70 1

I bolded the horrible defenses he played last year. You can also include NO, GB, & SD if youd like cuz they also had bad run defenses. I only count two good games against good defenses last year, the second game vs CAR & the second game vs TB.

So is your argument that he hasn't faced any bad defenses this year? Or that he hasn't lit up bad defenses? Just curious.

The first. The only bad defense he played this year was CAR and shockingly that is his only game over 100 yds so far. Looking at his schedule it doesnt get much easier. He has two games vs TB, one vs BUF, and one more vs CAR that he should do well in.

Very interesting.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

See alot of projections for a big week this week vs. the Saints. Guess he is much like a Ricky W. w/o the hands.

the games i've watched him his hands look just fine. he's caught every pass thrown to him that he should catch, unlike chester 'oops' taylor, supposedly one of the best at it.

He's caught 20 passes total in a 5 1/2 year NFL career (81 games -- 1 catch every 4 games). He hasn't exactly been used much as a receiver. But I'm sure you've been keeping careful watch of that one reception every 4 games.

I have for the last 1.5, and he has looked just fine catching the ball. I don't know why you'd make a big deal out of his statement. He shown no evidence that he has trouble catching the ball, and it's a mystery to outsiders why he doesn't get thrown to more.

You wrote above "the games I've watched him, his hands look just fine"Given that he rarely catches passes, it still seems like an odd statement. You've had 20 chances to observe his stellar pass catching ability in the past 6 years. Not saying that you are wrong....but I wonder how good your memory is to accurately recall 20 instances over a 6-year period.

 

[PatrickT]

See alot of projections for a big week this week vs. the Saints. Guess he is much like a Ricky W. w/o the hands.

the games i've watched him his hands look just fine. he's caught every pass thrown to him that he should catch, unlike chester 'oops' taylor, supposedly one of the best at it.

He's caught 20 passes total in a 5 1/2 year NFL career (81 games -- 1 catch every 4 games). He hasn't exactly been used much as a receiver. But I'm sure you've been keeping careful watch of that one reception every 4 games.

I have for the last 1.5, and he has looked just fine catching the ball. I don't know why you'd make a big deal out of his statement. He shown no evidence that he has trouble catching the ball, and it's a mystery to outsiders why he doesn't get thrown to more.

You wrote above "the games I've watched him, his hands look just fine"Given that he rarely catches passes, it still seems like an odd statement. You've had 20 chances to observe his stellar pass catching ability in the past 6 years. Not saying that you are wrong....but I wonder how good your memory is to accurately recall 20 instances over a 6-year period.

A) I didn't write that, but I was defending the statement. B) you can only go on what you see. I haven't seen him struggle to catch the ball. C) since 2004, the league avg for RB rec % is 73%. Turner is 68% (according to drinen's stats dominator app). Does that make him Marshall Faulk? No, but it does create curiosity, at least in my mind, as to why he's not utilized more in the passing game. And it also makes me think you're not justified in laughing at a guy who suggested it.He wasn't really used as rcver in college either, so it seems apparent that coaches see something we don't, I just wish I could see it.

 

[PatrickT]

Actually, I need to correct myself, he was used much more frequently in the passing game in college, I was looking at the wrong table.

Year  	Age  	College 	G  	Rec  	Yds  	TD  	Y/R
2002  	20  	noillinois  	12  	10  	100  	0  	10.0
2003 	21 	noillinois 	12 	19 	230 	3 	12.1

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

A) I didn't write that, but I was defending the statement.

 

[editor47]

1 Sep 7 DET W 34-21 22 220 10.0 66 2

2 Sep 14 @ TAM L 9-24 14 42 3.0 17 0

3 Sep 21 KAN W 38-14 23 104 4.5 38 3

4 Sep 28 @ CAR L 9-24 18 56 3.1 10 0

5 Oct 5 @ GNB W 27-24 26 121 4.7 22 1

6 Oct 12 CHI W 22-20 25 54 2.2 23 0

7 bye

8 Oct 26 @ PHI L 14-27 17 58 3.4 22 0

9 Nov 2 @ OAK W 24-0 30 139 4.6 16 0

10 Nov 9 NOR W 34-20 27 96 3.6 20 1

11 Nov 16 DEN L 20-24 25 81 3.2 28 2

12 Nov 23 CAR W 45-28 24 117 4.9 19 4

13 Nov 30 @ SDG W 22-16 31 120 3.9 15 0

14 Dec 7 @ NOR L 25-29 18 61 3.4 26 1

15 Dec 14 TAM W 13-10 32 152 4.8 22 1

16 Dec 21 @ MIN W 24-17 19 70 3.7 13 1

17 Dec 28 STL W 31-27 25 208 8.3 70 1

I bolded the horrible defenses he played last year. You can also include NO, GB, & SD if youd like cuz they also had bad run defenses. I only count two good games against good defenses last year, the second game vs CAR & the second game vs TB.

So is your argument that he hasn't faced any bad defenses this year? Or that he hasn't lit up bad defenses? Just curious.

The first. The only bad defense he played this year was CAR and shockingly that is his only game over 100 yds so far. Looking at his schedule it doesnt get much easier. He has two games vs TB, one vs BUF, and one more vs CAR that he should do well in.

Really? Wanna re-evaluate that? Here is his remaining schedule by defense's rank against the run:

8

24

26

15

29

11

8

22

32

29

Looks pretty juicy to me. The only team I don't like him running against on there is the Eagles (No. 11). He gets the Saints twice and they're No. 8 - how did they do against the Dolphins last week? No, I don't expect him to dupicate the Dolphins numbers, but he could certainly have productive games.

He is a starter in each of the last 10 games. And he could be a stud in 6 of them. If you can get him, do it.

 

[spodog]

This trade involving Turner was just proposed in my league. What do you guys think?

Team A receives:

- Andre Johnson

- Kevin Smith

Team B receives:

- Michael Turner

- Steve Smith (CAR)

This is redraft league, performance scoring.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

This trade involving Turner was just proposed in my league. What do you guys think?

are you team a or team b?

 

[MCguidance]

This trade involving Turner was just proposed in my league. What do you guys think?

Team A receives:

- Andre Johnson

- Kevin Smith

Team B receives:

- Michael Turner

- Steve Smith (CAR)

This is redraft league, performance scoring.

Pretty even, depends on PPR or not. PPR then Team A IMO

 

[Football Jones]

Tuner isn't the same RB we saw backing up LT. He's gained some weight & isn't as quick, fast, or explosive as he once was.

 

[SigEp316]

Tuner isn't the same RB we saw backing up LT. He's gained some weight & isn't as quick, fast, or explosive as he once was.

I disagree with this...I think he's playing at 240 now, was around 225 in college...and right at 240 in San Diego. He's not a "bounce" back...he's a straight line guy and still has great speed. From what I've seen, he's just gettin' hit in the backfield and he isn't good enough laterally to "bounce" outside. He'll still end up a TOP 10 back, which is what he was drafted to be...the rest of the sched looks pretty good.

 

[editor47]

150 and a TD against the highest-rated defense on his remaining schedule last night.

perhaps the obit was written a bit prematurely.