The ESPN fantasy guys are idiots all around. Not only are they wrong more times than they are right (yes, if i had access i would test wehther monkeeys throwing darts would be superior), but they lie about being wrong/right. However, one really good thing they did last time i listened to them was what they called a name game where they compare the value of one person vs other people. And since this game is all about RELATIVE value --believe me, it doesn't help when someone says "yes, that guys is very good" since the question is, how good is "very good?" And our measuring stick in this game, our currency, is relative value.
So, in your standard PPR league, where would you rank Vick? Since the only place i know where to get a current top 100 rankings list is from the aforementioned "idiots all around" at ESPN, we will take their list. Now, this is meant to be redraft i think, but my question is in regards to dynasty or keeper formats. Assume there is no cost at keeping players (you don't lose the round you drafted the guy, etc) so you want the best player available in a vacuum. you can use the list below or simply bring up some of your own names around where you would rate Vick, again in a keeper league, for next year.
In my opinion, Vick's value is not as high as the top tier QBs like Brees, Rodgers, manning, etc. For one, Vick is getting older and his game is highly dependent on athleticism. I'm not sure for how many more years this guy can keep it up. Secondly, we don't know where Vick will be next year. Will he be an Eagle, or not? If he is not an Eagle, and they go with Kolb, then will he be as successful? Taking all this into account, i would pace a 5th or 6th round value on the guy. I would put him around the same level i would put say forte, Beenie Wells, Anquon Boldin, Rothlesburger, Shaub, Maclin, Mike williams (both), Percy Harvin, etc. If it is too complicated to gauge Vicks value relative to all players, then feel free to rate him relative to just QBs. This is where i would rate him in relation to just QBs.
1. Rogers
2. Brees
3. Rivers
4. Manning
5. Vick
6. Brady
7. Sam Bradford
8. Shaub
9 Orton
Basically this thread is for people in keeper leagues deciding what value to put on Vick, and whether they should keep him over other players on their team.
1 Adrian Peterson MIN RB1 @CHI, GB, @WAS 1
2 Chris Johnson TEN RB2 @MIA, WAS, @HOU 2
3 Arian Foster HOU RB3 @JAC, @NYJ, TEN 3
4 Frank Gore SF RB4 STL, TB, @ARI 4
5 Peyton Manning IND QB1 CIN, @NE, SD 6
6 Rashard Mendenhall PIT RB5 NE, OAK, @BUF 5
7 Michael Turner ATL RB6 BAL, @STL, GB 7
8 Steven Jackson STL RB7 @SF, ATL, @DEN 9
9 LeSean McCoy PHI RB8 @WAS, NYG, @CHI 13
10 Roddy White ATL WR1 BAL, @STL, GB 8
11 Andre Johnson HOU WR2 @JAC, @NYJ, TEN 12
12 Calvin Johnson DET WR3 @BUF, @DAL, NE 11
13 Hakeem Nicks NYG WR4 DAL, @PHI, JAC 17
14 Philip Rivers SD QB2 bye, DEN, @IND 16
15 Maurice Jones-Drew JAC RB9 HOU, CLE, @NYG 10
16 Jamaal Charles KC RB10 @DEN, ARI, @SEA 15
17 Reggie Wayne IND WR5 CIN, @NE, SD 14
18 Darren McFadden OAK RB11 bye, @PIT, MIA 18
19 Aaron Rodgers GB QB3 bye, @MIN, @ATL 23
20 DeSean Jackson PHI WR6 @WAS, NYG, @CHI 38
21 Ahmad Bradshaw NYG RB12 DAL, @PHI, JAC 32
22 Ray Rice BAL RB13 @ATL, @CAR, TB 19
23 Drew Brees NO QB4 bye, SEA, @DAL 21
24 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR7 SEA, @KC, SF 25
25 Brandon Lloyd DEN WR8 KC, @SD, STL 26
26 Antonio Gates SD TE1 bye, DEN, @IND 29
27 Anquan Boldin BAL WR9 @ATL, @CAR, TB 24
28 Terrell Owens CIN WR10 @IND, BUF, @NYJ 34
29 Cedric Benson CIN RB14 @IND, BUF, @NYJ 22
30 Greg Jennings GB WR11 bye, @MIN, @ATL 28
31 Peyton Hillis CLE RB15 NYJ, @JAC, CAR 40
32 Miles Austin DAL WR12 @NYG, DET, NO 20
33 Brandon Marshall MIA WR13 TEN, CHI, @OAK 27
34 Jahvid Best DET RB16 @BUF, @DAL, NE 36
35 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB5 NE, OAK, @BUF 30
36 Mike Wallace PIT WR14 NE, OAK, @BUF 39
37 Marques Colston NO WR15 bye, SEA, @DAL 35
38 LaDainian Tomlinson NYJ RB17 @CLE, HOU, CIN 31
39 Randy Moss MIN WR16 @CHI, GB, @WAS 42
40 Tom Brady NE QB6 @PIT, IND, @DET 48
41 Matt Forte CHI RB18 MIN, @MIA, PHI 33
42 Jeremy Maclin PHI WR17 @WAS, NYG, @CHI 41
43 Vernon Davis SF TE2 STL, TB, @ARI 44
44 Knowshon Moreno DEN RB19 KC, @SD, STL 43
45 Matt Schaub HOU QB7 @JAC, @NYJ, TEN 45
46 Thomas Jones KC RB20 @DEN, ARI, @SEA 52
47 Beanie Wells ARI RB21 SEA, @KC, SF 37
48 Hines Ward PIT WR18 NE, OAK, @BUF 46
49 Michael Crabtree SF WR19 STL, TB, @ARI 51
50 Mike Williams TB WR20 CAR, @SF, @BAL 57
51 Eli Manning NYG QB8 DAL, @PHI, JAC 63
52 Joseph Addai IND RB22 CIN, @NE, SD 55
53 Percy Harvin MIN WR21 @CHI, GB, @WAS 58
54 Ryan Torain WAS RB23 PHI, @TEN, MIN 47
55 Steve Smith NYG WR22 DAL, @PHI, JAC 59
56 Michael Vick PHI QB9 @WAS, NYG, @CHI 76
57 Wes Welker NE WR23 @PIT, IND, @DET 56
58 Santana Moss WAS WR24 PHI, @TEN, MIN 60
59 Jason Witten DAL TE3 @NYG, DET, NO 64
60 Ryan Mathews SD RB24 bye, DEN, @IND 50
61 Zach Miller OAK TE4 bye, @PIT, MIA 49
62 Chad Ochocinco CIN WR25 @IND, BUF, @NYJ 54
63 Dwayne Bowe KC WR26 @DEN, ARI, @SEA 68
64 Davone Bess MIA WR27 TEN, CHI, @OAK 66
65 Pierre Garcon IND WR28 CIN, @NE, SD 53
66 Kyle Orton DEN QB10 KC, @SD, STL 67
67 Steve Smith CAR WR29 @TB, BAL, @CLE 61
68 Dustin Keller NYJ TE5 @CLE, HOU, CIN 75
69 Joe Flacco BAL QB11 @ATL, @CAR, TB 71
70 DeAngelo Williams CAR RB25 @TB, BAL, @CLE 72
71 Felix Jones DAL RB26 @NYG, DET, NO 62
72 Mike Sims-Walker JAC WR30 HOU, CLE, @NYG 73
73 Jacob Tamme IND TE6 CIN, @NE, SD NR
74 Matt Ryan ATL QB12 BAL, @STL, GB 69
75 Aaron Hernandez NE TE7 @PIT, IND, @DET 82
76 Brandon Jacobs NYG RB27 DAL, @PHI, JAC 74
77 Steve Johnson BUF WR31 DET, @CIN, PIT 99
78 Ronnie Brown MIA RB28 TEN, CHI, @OAK 89
79 LeGarrette Blount TB RB29 CAR, @SF, @BAL 78
80 Tony Gonzalez ATL TE8 BAL, @STL, GB 70
81 Jay Cutler CHI QB13 MIN, @MIA, PHI 80
82 Brandon Jackson GB RB30 bye, @MIN, @ATL 87
83 Fred Jackson BUF RB31 DET, @CIN, PIT 81
84 BenJarvus Green-Ellis NE RB32 @PIT, IND, @DET 83
85 Chris Cooley WAS TE9 PHI, @TEN, MIN 77
86 Malcom Floyd SD WR32 bye, DEN, @IND 85
87 Dez Bryant DAL WR33 @NYG, DET, NO 90
88 Carson Palmer CIN QB14 @IND, BUF, @NYJ 86
89 Marshawn Lynch SEA RB33 @ARI, @NO, KC 65
90 Mike Tolbert SD RB34 bye, DEN, @IND NR
91 Steelers D/ST PIT D1 NE, OAK, @BUF 92
92 Marcedes Lewis JAC TE10 HOU, CLE, @NYG 88
93 Johnny Knox CHI WR34 MIN, @MIA, PHI 79
94 Santonio Holmes NYJ WR35 @CLE, HOU, CIN 95
95 Donald Brown IND RB35 CIN, @NE, SD NR
96 Visanthe Shiancoe MIN TE11 @CHI, GB, @WAS NR
97 Lee Evans BUF WR36 DET, @CIN, PIT 84
98 Donovan McNabb WAS QB15 PHI, @TEN, MIN NR
99 Braylon Edwards NYJ WR37 @CLE, HOU, CIN 98
100 Jonathan Stewart CAR RB36 @TB, BAL, @CLE NR
So, in your standard PPR league, where would you rank Vick? Since the only place i know where to get a current top 100 rankings list is from the aforementioned "idiots all around" at ESPN, we will take their list. Now, this is meant to be redraft i think, but my question is in regards to dynasty or keeper formats. Assume there is no cost at keeping players (you don't lose the round you drafted the guy, etc) so you want the best player available in a vacuum. you can use the list below or simply bring up some of your own names around where you would rate Vick, again in a keeper league, for next year.
In my opinion, Vick's value is not as high as the top tier QBs like Brees, Rodgers, manning, etc. For one, Vick is getting older and his game is highly dependent on athleticism. I'm not sure for how many more years this guy can keep it up. Secondly, we don't know where Vick will be next year. Will he be an Eagle, or not? If he is not an Eagle, and they go with Kolb, then will he be as successful? Taking all this into account, i would pace a 5th or 6th round value on the guy. I would put him around the same level i would put say forte, Beenie Wells, Anquon Boldin, Rothlesburger, Shaub, Maclin, Mike williams (both), Percy Harvin, etc. If it is too complicated to gauge Vicks value relative to all players, then feel free to rate him relative to just QBs. This is where i would rate him in relation to just QBs.
1. Rogers
2. Brees
3. Rivers
4. Manning
5. Vick
6. Brady
7. Sam Bradford
8. Shaub
9 Orton
Basically this thread is for people in keeper leagues deciding what value to put on Vick, and whether they should keep him over other players on their team.
1 Adrian Peterson MIN RB1 @CHI, GB, @WAS 1
2 Chris Johnson TEN RB2 @MIA, WAS, @HOU 2
3 Arian Foster HOU RB3 @JAC, @NYJ, TEN 3
4 Frank Gore SF RB4 STL, TB, @ARI 4
5 Peyton Manning IND QB1 CIN, @NE, SD 6
6 Rashard Mendenhall PIT RB5 NE, OAK, @BUF 5
7 Michael Turner ATL RB6 BAL, @STL, GB 7
8 Steven Jackson STL RB7 @SF, ATL, @DEN 9
9 LeSean McCoy PHI RB8 @WAS, NYG, @CHI 13
10 Roddy White ATL WR1 BAL, @STL, GB 8
11 Andre Johnson HOU WR2 @JAC, @NYJ, TEN 12
12 Calvin Johnson DET WR3 @BUF, @DAL, NE 11
13 Hakeem Nicks NYG WR4 DAL, @PHI, JAC 17
14 Philip Rivers SD QB2 bye, DEN, @IND 16
15 Maurice Jones-Drew JAC RB9 HOU, CLE, @NYG 10
16 Jamaal Charles KC RB10 @DEN, ARI, @SEA 15
17 Reggie Wayne IND WR5 CIN, @NE, SD 14
18 Darren McFadden OAK RB11 bye, @PIT, MIA 18
19 Aaron Rodgers GB QB3 bye, @MIN, @ATL 23
20 DeSean Jackson PHI WR6 @WAS, NYG, @CHI 38
21 Ahmad Bradshaw NYG RB12 DAL, @PHI, JAC 32
22 Ray Rice BAL RB13 @ATL, @CAR, TB 19
23 Drew Brees NO QB4 bye, SEA, @DAL 21
24 Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR7 SEA, @KC, SF 25
25 Brandon Lloyd DEN WR8 KC, @SD, STL 26
26 Antonio Gates SD TE1 bye, DEN, @IND 29
27 Anquan Boldin BAL WR9 @ATL, @CAR, TB 24
28 Terrell Owens CIN WR10 @IND, BUF, @NYJ 34
29 Cedric Benson CIN RB14 @IND, BUF, @NYJ 22
30 Greg Jennings GB WR11 bye, @MIN, @ATL 28
31 Peyton Hillis CLE RB15 NYJ, @JAC, CAR 40
32 Miles Austin DAL WR12 @NYG, DET, NO 20
33 Brandon Marshall MIA WR13 TEN, CHI, @OAK 27
34 Jahvid Best DET RB16 @BUF, @DAL, NE 36
35 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB5 NE, OAK, @BUF 30
36 Mike Wallace PIT WR14 NE, OAK, @BUF 39
37 Marques Colston NO WR15 bye, SEA, @DAL 35
38 LaDainian Tomlinson NYJ RB17 @CLE, HOU, CIN 31
39 Randy Moss MIN WR16 @CHI, GB, @WAS 42
40 Tom Brady NE QB6 @PIT, IND, @DET 48
41 Matt Forte CHI RB18 MIN, @MIA, PHI 33
42 Jeremy Maclin PHI WR17 @WAS, NYG, @CHI 41
43 Vernon Davis SF TE2 STL, TB, @ARI 44
44 Knowshon Moreno DEN RB19 KC, @SD, STL 43
45 Matt Schaub HOU QB7 @JAC, @NYJ, TEN 45
46 Thomas Jones KC RB20 @DEN, ARI, @SEA 52
47 Beanie Wells ARI RB21 SEA, @KC, SF 37
48 Hines Ward PIT WR18 NE, OAK, @BUF 46
49 Michael Crabtree SF WR19 STL, TB, @ARI 51
50 Mike Williams TB WR20 CAR, @SF, @BAL 57
51 Eli Manning NYG QB8 DAL, @PHI, JAC 63
52 Joseph Addai IND RB22 CIN, @NE, SD 55
53 Percy Harvin MIN WR21 @CHI, GB, @WAS 58
54 Ryan Torain WAS RB23 PHI, @TEN, MIN 47
55 Steve Smith NYG WR22 DAL, @PHI, JAC 59
56 Michael Vick PHI QB9 @WAS, NYG, @CHI 76
57 Wes Welker NE WR23 @PIT, IND, @DET 56
58 Santana Moss WAS WR24 PHI, @TEN, MIN 60
59 Jason Witten DAL TE3 @NYG, DET, NO 64
60 Ryan Mathews SD RB24 bye, DEN, @IND 50
61 Zach Miller OAK TE4 bye, @PIT, MIA 49
62 Chad Ochocinco CIN WR25 @IND, BUF, @NYJ 54
63 Dwayne Bowe KC WR26 @DEN, ARI, @SEA 68
64 Davone Bess MIA WR27 TEN, CHI, @OAK 66
65 Pierre Garcon IND WR28 CIN, @NE, SD 53
66 Kyle Orton DEN QB10 KC, @SD, STL 67
67 Steve Smith CAR WR29 @TB, BAL, @CLE 61
68 Dustin Keller NYJ TE5 @CLE, HOU, CIN 75
69 Joe Flacco BAL QB11 @ATL, @CAR, TB 71
70 DeAngelo Williams CAR RB25 @TB, BAL, @CLE 72
71 Felix Jones DAL RB26 @NYG, DET, NO 62
72 Mike Sims-Walker JAC WR30 HOU, CLE, @NYG 73
73 Jacob Tamme IND TE6 CIN, @NE, SD NR
74 Matt Ryan ATL QB12 BAL, @STL, GB 69
75 Aaron Hernandez NE TE7 @PIT, IND, @DET 82
76 Brandon Jacobs NYG RB27 DAL, @PHI, JAC 74
77 Steve Johnson BUF WR31 DET, @CIN, PIT 99
78 Ronnie Brown MIA RB28 TEN, CHI, @OAK 89
79 LeGarrette Blount TB RB29 CAR, @SF, @BAL 78
80 Tony Gonzalez ATL TE8 BAL, @STL, GB 70
81 Jay Cutler CHI QB13 MIN, @MIA, PHI 80
82 Brandon Jackson GB RB30 bye, @MIN, @ATL 87
83 Fred Jackson BUF RB31 DET, @CIN, PIT 81
84 BenJarvus Green-Ellis NE RB32 @PIT, IND, @DET 83
85 Chris Cooley WAS TE9 PHI, @TEN, MIN 77
86 Malcom Floyd SD WR32 bye, DEN, @IND 85
87 Dez Bryant DAL WR33 @NYG, DET, NO 90
88 Carson Palmer CIN QB14 @IND, BUF, @NYJ 86
89 Marshawn Lynch SEA RB33 @ARI, @NO, KC 65
90 Mike Tolbert SD RB34 bye, DEN, @IND NR
91 Steelers D/ST PIT D1 NE, OAK, @BUF 92
92 Marcedes Lewis JAC TE10 HOU, CLE, @NYG 88
93 Johnny Knox CHI WR34 MIN, @MIA, PHI 79
94 Santonio Holmes NYJ WR35 @CLE, HOU, CIN 95
95 Donald Brown IND RB35 CIN, @NE, SD NR
96 Visanthe Shiancoe MIN TE11 @CHI, GB, @WAS NR
97 Lee Evans BUF WR36 DET, @CIN, PIT 84
98 Donovan McNabb WAS QB15 PHI, @TEN, MIN NR
99 Braylon Edwards NYJ WR37 @CLE, HOU, CIN 98
100 Jonathan Stewart CAR RB36 @TB, BAL, @CLE NR
