Michael Vick ***Official Poale*** (1 Viewer)

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

So, who would have ever though that Marcus would end up being the good brother?

I say he never plays again.

 

[GoinDeep]

Hey, at least he "kept it real"

 

[redman]

I don't think you are doing your poughl right.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

For those of you voting yes...what team in their right mind would possibly take on that PR nightmare?

Also, if he serves 1 year in the pokey (no pun intended) and then Goodie-Goodell suspends him for a year, you are talking the 2009 season at the earliest.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I voted no.

He get 18 months (or so) from the Feds.

He gets 18 more (or so) from the State.

Thats too much time away and too much ongoing bad press.

 

[supermark_28]

I don't think you are doing your poughl right.

Haha....

 

[aldelgreco]

this poale is rediculous. anyone who would vote in it is a looser.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I don't think you are doing your poughl right.

Haha....

Uh...it was fixed way before you even saw it.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

this poale is rediculous. anyone who would vote in it is a looser.

 

[suchislife]

For those of you voting yes...what team in their right mind would possibly take on that PR nightmare?Also, if he serves 1 year in the pokey (no pun intended) and then Goodie-Goodell suspends him for a year, you are talking the 2009 season at the earliest.

Just to get it straight - this is 2007. If he serves 1 year that eliminates the 2008 season. Add on a 1 year suspension and you eliminate the 2009 season.On the field in 2010 *at the earliest* - 3 1/2 years after he last put on pads.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Hell yeah. He's gonna come back like Tyson. He'll lose a little speed but he'll gain prison muscles. Probably rush for 2000 yards and throw for 2000 yards. He'll be the only player with a 200 rating in Madden.

 

[Ozymandias]

I voted no in the Poawle.

BUT, Vick will spend the next two years donating money to animal shelters throughout the nation. He will find God in prison, become a born again Christian, practicing Buddhist, and almost a closet Pantheist. He will become a committed vegetarian, possibly even a Vegan. He will issue abject apologies to all and sundry. He will find some sportwriters eager to interview him, and have those whores describe him as a "changed man". They will help him co-author a book, where he describes his spiritual Gethsemane as he now realizes the suffering of those dogs. He will take a vow of poverty, volunteer to work in animal shelters, send donations to PETA, and fund the rerun of 348 episodes of Lassie.

Then he will go, groveling all the way, to Goodell and ask for reinstatement.

 

[TDavi118]

I'd like to know what the deal is on the misspelling of the word "POLL". This must date back before I joined this site.

BTW, I voted no. he won't be back, guys.

 

[ceo3west]

I'd like to know what the deal is on the misspelling of the word "POLL". This must date back before I joined this site.

BTW, I voted no. he won't be back, guys.

I agree, how does one not spell POLL correctly? This blows my mind almost as much as Vick killing dogs.

 

[Ozymandias]

I'd like to know what the deal is on the misspelling of the word "POLL". This must date back before I joined this site.

BTW, I voted no. he won't be back, guys.

I agree, how does one not spell POLL correctly? This blows my mind almost as much as Vick killing dogs.

You've seen numerous ways.

 

[JohnnyU]

There should be a piece of :toast: smilie.

 

[stevegamer]

I'd like to know what the deal is on the misspelling of the word "POLL". This must date back before I joined this site.

BTW, I voted no. he won't be back, guys.

I agree, how does one not spell POLL correctly? This blows my mind almost as much as Vick killing dogs.

FFA Shtick.

 

[Bob Henry]

I voted no. He get 18 months (or so) from the Feds.He gets 18 more (or so) from the State.Thats too much time away and too much ongoing bad press.

..not to mention a life long suspension/ban for his trouble.

 

[cantrell]

No.

By the time he is done with prison and his suspension his skills will have diminished. On top of that he's too much of a PR disaster for the league let alone a franchise.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I think a lifetime ban from Goodell

is not out of the question.

He has already shown he has no problem

laying the heavy hammer down,

for much lesser transgressions.

LIFETIME BAN

 

[Despyzer]

I voted no. He get 18 months (or so) from the Feds.He gets 18 more (or so) from the State.

And then he begins his league suspension after that.

 

[cobalt_27]

I'd like to know what the deal is on the misspelling of the word "POLL". This must date back before I joined this site.

BTW, I voted no. he won't be back, guys.

I agree, how does one not spell POLL correctly? This blows my mind almost as much as Vick killing dogs.

It's POWL, right?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

anyone who says no is an idiot. This is a relatively minor (albeit federal and a puppy) charge that he'll serve a year, be suspended a year and come back for someone. Multiple teams will be willing to take a PR hit to take on one of the most athletic players EVER. He may be switched to running back quite honestly b/c of the lack of football qb "development" but I'd bookbets (all puns intended) that Michael vick has not played his last game.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'd probably say "no" to playing QB again, but "maybe" to a team auditioning him at some other position in a few years.

The outrage will likely have died down some and theoretically Vick will have "committed the crime and done the time."

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I voted no. He get 18 months (or so) from the Feds.He gets 18 more (or so) from the State.

And then he begins his league suspension after that.

I think a lifetime ban from Goodellis not out of the question.He has already shown he has no problemlaying the heavy hammer down, for much lesser transgressions.LIFETIME BAN

hilarious from Ron Mexico but

and with the state charges why are people adding extra time. If his attorneys are worth their salt (and they are) they will have negotiated the state charges into the federal deal (depends on if he has a binding plea or not too as the judge could override all plea offers if he chooses. But there is no way he serves 3 years. No chance in hell. The federal guidelines for this crime would be less than a year, if this wasn't a high profile case under federal sentencing guidelines.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Let's see what non-message board hollierthanthou types have to say about this, namely a NFL GM

NFL GM says 'count on it:' Vick will return to NFL

Mike Freeman Aug. 20, 2007

By Mike Freeman

CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist

Tell Mike your opinion!

Ratto: Return? Maybe | Litke: No he won't

So, it's over. Alleged puppy abuser and PETA Hall of Famer Michael "The Dog Whisperer" Vick is headed to the hoosegow, making it safe again for canines across the globe. Pit bulls everywhere are taking a bite out of someone's ### in celebration.

In all seriousness, the Vick plea makes this one of the sadder and darker moments in NFL history. One of the league's marquee players is headed to prison for a terrible crime. He deserved to go to prison if what he is accused of is accurate, and apparently it is because I don't know about you, but I'm not pleading guilty to a crime I did not commit.

Michael Vick's future? He'll be back in the NFL somewhere. (US Presswire)

So though Vick got what he deserved, the NFL and Atlanta Falcons also take a major hit as one of their own are again making the wrong kind of headlines. Vick was the face of Atlanta and in some ways the face of the NFL.

Vick's reputation is forever tainted but if you think Vick will never wear an NFL uniform again please read carefully the following words from an NFL general manager. They will end up being prophetic.

"If he goes to prison, time will pass," said the general manager, who spoke before news of a potential Vick plea agreement and asked not to be identified, claiming the NFL has asked current team officials not to publicly comment on the Vick case. "Months or years will pass, if he does go to jail. If he went to jail, and then left prison down the road, he'd still be relatively young, and there'd be a line of 15 to 20 teams waiting to sign him. Trust me on that. Teams are going to say, 'F--- PETA. F--- the bad pub. This guy is one of the most talented players of the last 10 years. I'll take my chances.'

"Teams may say one thing publicly. But if he gets out of jail, we'll all be looking at Vick hard. We're all whores in football. You know the saying. We'd sign an ax murderer if he has ability. He'll be back. He won't be back in Atlanta probably but he'll be back in professional football. You can count on it."

The general manager also stated he believes that Vick will return as a running back.

And this is the biggest point emerging from this mess: We have not heard the last of Michael Vick. Not by a long shot.

Because Americans love a comeback even more than we love our dogs.

His career in Atlanta is indeed over. Vick will not be a Falcon again. Not just because of the animal cruelty case but because the Michael Vick Experiment was coming to an end anyway. The owner, coaches and teammates were all starting to tire of Vick's various episodes. His welcome on that team was slowly but certainly eroding and anyone who doubts that is a fool.

Before Vick was running dog fighting enterprises, he was already a polarizing figure in Atlanta.

No, he won't be a Falcon, but he will be an NFL player again for the exact reason the general manager stated: the sport is run by 'hos.

Yes, that's a football word: 'ho.

There is no gender connotation to this word; it is not meant to be derogatory toward women. It is used by the general manager in this simple context: teams will do anything -- anything -- for talent. To win.

Some foolhardy, daredevil coach or general manager, an organization willing to stand toe-to-toe with the hypocrites and phonies from PETA, will roll tape of previous moves and gyrations of the athletic Vick and say: "Get his agent on the phone. Stat. Oh, and order some extra security for his tryout."

Not even Roger Goodell's just crusade against the perps in his league will stop a Vick comeback. As fast as you can say NFL teams would sell their souls for a good pass rusher, Vick will be back.

He'll go to prison, work out with the fellas in the yard -- maybe play some ball with Burt Reynolds and the Mean Machine -- do some pushups in his 4 by 6 cell, channel some Tupac, toss in a few pull-ups and then emerge fit and ready to go.

Oh, there will be an NFL suspension, or maybe a stint or two with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, but Vick is strong enough to outlast our attention-deficit disorder society and valuable enough of a commodity to attract NFL teams post-orange jumpsuit.

Several NFL sources said they doubt the commissioner will issue a lifetime ban against Vick. It will probably be a suspension of one year, the sources said. To be truthful, it wouldn't be fair to permanently ban Vick. If Vick goes to prison, serves his time, pays his debt, he should be allowed to come back to football.

Remember, this is a league that has employed murder suspects, players that have killed people while driving drunk, chronic women beaters, gun runners, drug dealers, former gang members, and all kinds of creeps and cretins, swine and smut-like -- all in the name of talent.

This is how it will go. When Vick leaves the comfortable hospitality of the federal prison system, he will hire the best PR firm on the planet. They will give him force-field protection from his critics, sway those on the fence and virtually fellate his supporters.

He'll sit down with some sympathetic, non-probing marshmallow soft interviewer and Vick will gush and cry and say he has paid his debt to society. It'll be a moment that would make Oprah look like Mike Wallace.

A team like, say, the Oakland Raiders will sign Vick and say he paid his debt to society (you'll hear that phrase a lot when he gets out of prison). He'll do a one-time press conference then melt away behind the protection of teammates and bodyguards.

Then whatever team Vick plays for he'll lead them to the postseason and his comeback will be complete. The only thing that will be missing is Vick's search for the real killer.

Remember something: Vick is only 27-years-old. Just 27.

It is true that much of Vick's game was built on a foundation of young, strong legs and as he gets older, those legs become more brittle. No question. Yet Vick is such a superb athlete that there is still plenty of run in those feet.

So Vick will be back. Because the 'hos in the NFL can't help themselves.

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[BigSteelThrill]

and with the state charges why are people adding extra time. If his attorneys are worth their salt (and they are) they will have negotiated the state charges into the federal deal (depends on if he has a binding plea or not too as the judge could override all plea offers if he chooses. But there is no way he serves 3 years. No chance in hell. The federal guidelines for this crime would be less than a year, if this wasn't a high profile case under federal sentencing guidelines.

The states DA has not even begun with his charges.

They are waiting for the Feds to finish up.

They are not crossing over to the same charges.

Its a different set of charges that the FEDs are not even dealing with.

Vicks FED plea has already been given.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Let's see what non-message board hollierthanthou types have to say about this, namely a NFL GM

NFL GM says 'count on it:' Vick will return to NFL.

Name the GM please. Then we can deabte the merits. Otherwise it has no merit. Well, no more merit then any other anon message board post.

 

[Despyzer]

Remember, this is a league that has employed murder suspects, players that have killed people while driving drunk, chronic women beaters, gun runners, drug dealers, former gang members, and all kinds of creeps and cretins, swine and smut-like -- all in the name of talent.

I can't find "leaders of high-stakes interstate gambling rings" in that list.

 

[David Yudkin]

Remember, this is a league that has employed murder suspects, players that have killed people while driving drunk, chronic women beaters, gun runners, drug dealers, former gang members, and all kinds of creeps and cretins, swine and smut-like -- all in the name of talent.

I can't find "leaders of high-stakes interstate gambling rings" in that list.

Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing anything Vick pleaded guilty to is not going to be anything involving gambling. From what I can tell, he is pleading to dogfighting only, not anything gambling related.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Remember, this is a league that has employed murder suspects, players that have killed people while driving drunk, chronic women beaters, gun runners, drug dealers, former gang members, and all kinds of creeps and cretins, swine and smut-like -- all in the name of talent.

I can't find "leaders of high-stakes interstate gambling rings" in that list.

Call it a hunch, but I'm guessing anything Vick pleaded guilty to is not going to be anything involving gambling. From what I can tell, he is pleading to dogfighting only, not anything gambling related.

Yep, its called pleading guilty to lesser charges. But how does Goodell proceed with what he "knows" of Vick?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

and with the state charges why are people adding extra time. If his attorneys are worth their salt (and they are) they will have negotiated the state charges into the federal deal (depends on if he has a binding plea or not too as the judge could override all plea offers if he chooses. But there is no way he serves 3 years. No chance in hell. The federal guidelines for this crime would be less than a year, if this wasn't a high profile case under federal sentencing guidelines.

The states DA has not even begun with his charges.

They are waiting for the Feds to finish up.

They are not crossing over to the same charges.

Its a different set of charges that the FEDs are not even dealing with.

Vicks FED plea has already been given.

Vicks lawyers can negotiate with BOTH before the date, and if they were anticipating PLEAING to federal charges without discussing with the state first to work both out it would almost be malpractice. That said, Vick's lawyers are awesome, so you will see this in a few days. Now it may not be announced in the paperbut I can bet you Poindexter and Vicks lawyers have spoken. Poindecter won't announce immediately as he wants to grandstand a bit. I will be very shocked if there is not a deal worked out with all 3 parties involved, as pleaing to this is tantamount to accepting guilt in the other case. I am a criminal defense attorney fwiw and am passing on what I heard a criminal defense attorney discussing of what is likely to happen. That is all.

Off to daily show it up...

 

[Chase Stuart]

Some foolhardy, daredevil coach or general manager, an organization willing to stand toe-to-toe with the hypocrites and phonies from PETA

Who are the hypocrites and phonies from PETA that the author is talking about?

Then whatever team Vick plays for he'll lead them to the postseason and his comeback will be complete.

Oh, I get it. The whole piece is satire.

 

[Despyzer]

Then whatever team Vick plays for he'll lead them to the postseason and his comeback will be complete.

Oh, I get it. The whole piece is satire.

Exactly. Vick is a mediocre starting QB right now. To imagine that he will be a hot commodity after a few years away from the game seems unlikely at best.

 

[Truman]

Some foolhardy, daredevil coach or general manager, an organization willing to stand toe-to-toe with the hypocrites and phonies from PETA

Who are the hypocrites and phonies from PETA that the author is talking about?

I know he's not from PETA, but one of the main mouthpieces throughout this case is a former member of a terrorist organization, who once shared his glee over a successful arson attach with the public thus:

Referring to a fire that caused almost $1 million in damage and could easily have killed a family sleeping on the premises, Goodwin told the Deseret News, “We’re ecstatic.”

http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/3364As far as gambling goes, this wouldn't be the first time a player has been allowed to come back either.

In 1996, Pittsburgh running back Bam Morris pleaded guilty to marijuana possession in exchange for no prison time and the dropping of a felony cocaine possession charge. He got a second chance when the Baltimore Ravens signed him two months after the Steelers released him.

Morris didn't go straight from there – he spent 89 days in a detention center for violating his parole and twice was suspended by the league for failing a drug test – but the Chicago Bears gave him another second chance when they signed him after he was let go by Baltimore. Kansas City even traded for him in 1998, two years before he pleaded guilty to two federal charges that involved drug trafficking and money laundering.

Baltimore Colts quarterback Art Schlichter was suspended by the NFL for the 1983 season for gambling, which ranks No. 1 on the league's no-no list. But the former Ohio State star was later reinstated and signed by Buffalo. His return didn't last long, as he was banned for life after another gambling incident.

Kansas City wideout Tamarick Vanover spent two months in a federal work camp after pleading guilty to aiding and abetting the sale of a stolen vehicle that crossed state lines, but that didn't end his career. In fact, he got a second chance at a second chance in 2002, when the Chargers signed him to a one-year deal even though he had admitted to an FBI agent two years earlier that he gave a player $40,000 to purchase drugs.

Rams defensive end Leonard Little got a second chance after killing a motorist when he ran a red light and plowed into her car while legally drunk. Six years later, he failed several field sobriety tests and refused to be chemically tested for alcohol after being stopped for speeding. He beat the drunk driving charge in court when his lawyer argued in part that the officer on the scene failed to give Little the proper instructions.

These are just a few examples. Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in a double-murder case and his career wasn't taken from him. In fact, over time Lewis reclaimed his spot as one of the public faces of the league. By all accounts, he is a changed man for the better from his experience.

And if you're looking for a GM who may take a chance on Vick, why not Ozzie Newsome? Secure in his job, and has been content to hold onto not only convicted felons in the past, but also linebackers charged with murder.

 

[comfortably numb]

I think he does play again.

Bottom line, he is too talented.

If he can can still show flashes of greatness, someone will risk it. IMO

Honestly, I think our society lets things go too easily and quickly.

By next month there will be some other news story that will sweep the nation and Vick will be an afterthought.

My guess is after his jail time, Commish will give him a 1 year suspension, and some team will risk bringing him in.

If years have passed, the anger against him will die down. The outrage will be far less from what it is today from the majority of Americans.

With a plea deal we will not have to hear about all the gory details, and I doubt we ever know, to what extent Vick was involved, as he may never publicly admit to all his wrong doings.

Many Americans, cheered and bought the pay per view events involving Mike Tyson.

There are companies that will pay OJ $$ to write books, make documentries, etc..

The list goes on and on, and IMO I think it will be no different with Vick, as time passes.

 

[FFdork]

He'll sit down with some sympathetic, non-probing marshmallow soft interviewer and Vick will gush and cry and say he has paid his debt to society. It'll be a moment that would make Oprah look like Mike Wallace.

*cough* Michael Irvin Deion Sanders *cough*

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Let's see what non-message board hollierthanthou types have to say about this, namely a NFL GM

NFL GM says 'count on it:' Vick will return to NFL.

Name the GM please. Then we can deabte the merits. Otherwise it has no merit. Well, no more merit then any other anon message board post.

I heart the logic of the "shark" pool. Because a GM (who runs and represents a franchise" doesn't want to attach his name to the quote "we are a bunch of whores in the nfl who would draft an axe murderer if he ran a 4.4" it somehow makes the logic baseless. Nevermind that by extension you are calling the author of the artcile a liar (ironically de facto applying the reverse standard of innocent until proven guilty to this authors credibility), without debating the merits of WHAT he said. OK you win. Let's pretend it wasn't a NFL GM that they quoted (which is dumb). Now refute the logic.

Oh and remember steve howe. We are a nation, where we allow beople CONTRITIOn. ESPECIALLY when it comes to our superstars and celebrities (Tammy Faye Baker, Ozzy Osbourne, Jerry Falwell, Marion Barry, hell ICE CUBE is a family film star)

But getting WAY off topic. Those of you who think Vick is done because you have a puppy aren't playing with a full deck. I am just wondering if the shark move is to take him LATE this year or next year in keeper drafts (like 19th round).

 

[Club Leftwich]

Hmm, I wonder if I should take a known hack like Freeman seriously when he quotes an unnamed source?

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If Goodell's investigation determines Vick was gambling, it doesn't matter whether it's one of the charges he pleas to or not.

Vick will never play in the NFL again.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Some foolhardy, daredevil coach or general manager, an organization willing to stand toe-to-toe with the hypocrites and phonies from PETA

Who are the hypocrites and phonies from PETA that the author is talking about?

The hypocrites are those who condemn Vick more virulently than these guysLawrence phillips (agravated batgtery, domestic violence) Ray Lewis (although I have less sympathy for the victims in this case this was a 2x himicide) Cornelius Bennett--rape and sexual assault; Cortez Kennedy--domestic violence; Nate Newton--sexual assault, trafficking 1over 1000lbs of marijuana; Warren Moon--domestic violence; Jake Plummer--sexual abuse; Andre Rison--aggravated assault; Bruce Smith--driving under the influence; and Deion Sanders--aggravated assault, disorderly convict, trespassing, and battery.Many people don't like PETA. I am frankly NOT one of them and have sup[ported them in the past. But I think they have too much influence. And think it is ridiculous that the above crimes (many of them at least) are Misdemeanors, but because people like "cute" little puppies this is a felony. Additionally the hypocritical part is that animals are brutally slaughtered every day in the industries of this country. But when rural folks get together for a little local traditional dog fight (not my cup of tea, but half these people grew up on farms around animals and formed their attitudes about animals from interacting with them as livestock, not "family members" as the up in arms suburbanites are)About not condemning and protesting peyton manning, keith brooking and probably half the green bay packers o line who hunt for sport, but then protesting this as if Vick molested kids.That is what I think he means.

Then whatever team Vick plays for he'll lead them to the postseason and his comeback will be complete.

Oh, I get it. The whole piece is satire.

You don't think Vick as a cheap backup QB (that can be brought in situationally as a backup qb in goaline/short yardage sets, as a KO/PR or a slot receiver/3rd down back could easily help a team improve(especially in spite of the relative bargain a NFL GM get on his contract). I think too many of you (and America in general) ESPECIALLY those who own pets, can't see the forest from the trees on this one.Oh as I type this both Parcells and Emmit just said they have NO DOUBT that vick would be picked up by an NFL team, but most likely not as a QB (because of the years out of "development" he will lose-- this may have been the best call from the get go.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Then whatever team Vick plays for he'll lead them to the postseason and his comeback will be complete.

Oh, I get it. The whole piece is satire.

Exactly. Vick is a mediocre starting QB right now. To imagine that he will be a hot commodity after a few years away from the game seems unlikely at best.

most people don't think he will play QB (unless in a backup qb3/situationally when he comes back if it changes your opinion (which I doubt).

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Some foolhardy, daredevil coach or general manager, an organization willing to stand toe-to-toe with the hypocrites and phonies from PETA

Who are the hypocrites and phonies from PETA that the author is talking about?

I know he's not from PETA, but one of the main mouthpieces throughout this case is a former member of a terrorist organization, who once shared his glee over a successful arson attach with the public thus:

Referring to a fire that caused almost $1 million in damage and could easily have killed a family sleeping on the premises, Goodwin told the Deseret News, “We’re ecstatic.”

http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/3364As far as gambling goes, this wouldn't be the first time a player has been allowed to come back either.

In 1996, Pittsburgh running back Bam Morris pleaded guilty to marijuana possession in exchange for no prison time and the dropping of a felony cocaine possession charge. He got a second chance when the Baltimore Ravens signed him two months after the Steelers released him.

Morris didn't go straight from there – he spent 89 days in a detention center for violating his parole and twice was suspended by the league for failing a drug test – but the Chicago Bears gave him another second chance when they signed him after he was let go by Baltimore. Kansas City even traded for him in 1998, two years before he pleaded guilty to two federal charges that involved drug trafficking and money laundering.

Baltimore Colts quarterback Art Schlichter was suspended by the NFL for the 1983 season for gambling, which ranks No. 1 on the league's no-no list. But the former Ohio State star was later reinstated and signed by Buffalo. His return didn't last long, as he was banned for life after another gambling incident.

Kansas City wideout Tamarick Vanover spent two months in a federal work camp after pleading guilty to aiding and abetting the sale of a stolen vehicle that crossed state lines, but that didn't end his career. In fact, he got a second chance at a second chance in 2002, when the Chargers signed him to a one-year deal even though he had admitted to an FBI agent two years earlier that he gave a player $40,000 to purchase drugs.

Rams defensive end Leonard Little got a second chance after killing a motorist when he ran a red light and plowed into her car while legally drunk. Six years later, he failed several field sobriety tests and refused to be chemically tested for alcohol after being stopped for speeding. He beat the drunk driving charge in court when his lawyer argued in part that the officer on the scene failed to give Little the proper instructions.

These are just a few examples. Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in a double-murder case and his career wasn't taken from him. In fact, over time Lewis reclaimed his spot as one of the public faces of the league. By all accounts, he is a changed man for the better from his experience.

And if you're looking for a GM who may take a chance on Vick, why not Ozzie Newsome? Secure in his job, and has been content to hold onto not only convicted felons in the past, but also linebackers charged with murder.

I think either him or snyder (with the local guy gets a second chance angle) would both be places he could likely play.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Hmm, I wonder if I should take a known hack like Freeman seriously when he quotes an unnamed source?----------------------If Goodell's investigation determines Vick was gambling, it doesn't matter whether it's one of the charges he pleas to or not. Vick will never play in the NFL again.

Only if it was NFL gambling. How many NFL players you think play cards for money? In the clubhouse? On the plane?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

from FFA The great Vick Dogfighting debate: Should Dog Fighting be legalized

 

[3C's]

John Clayton: "$83M mistake by Vick."

 

[3C's]

Is this one of those weird threads where Hipple replies 20 times in a row?

 

[prosopis]

For those of you voting yes...what team in their right mind would possibly take on that PR nightmare?Also, if he serves 1 year in the pokey (no pun intended) and then Goodie-Goodell suspends him for a year, you are talking the 2009 season at the earliest.

Al Davis down?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

FFA thread on hypocrisy of status quo

thoughts?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Is this one of those weird threads where Hipple replies 20 times in a row?

 

[3C's]

Is this one of those weird threads where Hipple replies 20 times in a row?