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That's the equivalent of 3000 passing yards in most formats (1200 rushing yards is). When you factor in his actual passing yards, rushing TD's and passing TD's, he's a heckuva fantasy QB in 1/10 or 1/20 formats.
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http://www.nysun.com/article/42891
QB Vick May Eclipse Two Little-Known Rushing Records This Season
By MICHAEL DAVID SMITH
November 3, 2006
Only the most obsessive football fans know the names of ex-Chicago Bears Bobby Douglass and Beattie Feathers. But Douglass, a quarterback from the 1970s, and Feathers, a running back from the 1930s, own two of the National Football League's most impressive records — and both their names could be wiped from the record book this year by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick.
Douglass set the record for most rushing yards in a season by a quarterback when he gained 968 yards in 1972. Feathers set the record for highest rushing average in a season when he gained 8.44 yards a carry in 1934. So far this season Vick has 60 carries for 496 yards, meaning he is on pace to eclipse Douglass's total and is just a hairsbreadth behind Feathers' average.
Vick, whose 5–2 Falcons visit the Detroit Lions Sunday, shivers when sports writers say he's a valuable runner but a liability as a passer, so he certainly wouldn't want to be compared to Douglass. The year he set the quarterback rushing record, Douglass completed just 75 of 198 passes. Although Vick has never been an accurate passer, he's far ahead of Douglass's 37.9% completion percentage, connecting on 55.4% of his passes this season.
Douglass compensated for his inaccuracy with the ability to throw long passes. Like Vick, Douglass had a rocket arm — although his passes often missed their targets, they went for long gains when they were complete. Douglass led the league in 1972 with 16.6 yards a completion, a far higher average than any quarterback in the modern NFL, where quarterbacks eschew long bombs for short, safe passes. But despite that ability to throw long, if Douglass were entering the NFL today, he wouldn't play quarterback. The most similar player to Douglass in today's NFL isn't Vick, it's Matt Jones of the Jacksonville Jaguars, whose great athleticism but inaccurate arm necessitated a switch from college quarterback to pro wide receiver.
Breaking Douglass's record would be impressive, but topping Feathers's 8.44 yards a carry would be even more so because Feathers's record deserves an asterisk: it probably didn't happen. Looking at the rest of Feathers's career and considering the nascent state of football statistics at the time, the most reasonable conclusion one can draw is that Feathers's record is bogus. He set it in just the third year the NFL kept official statistics, and a statistician's error may have upped Feathers's average. Most likely, the scorekeeper at Wrigley Field, where the Bears played, incorrectly included some of Feathers' kickoff or punt return yards as rushing yards.
The NFL has already acknowledged one error in charting Feathers's runs that season: For more than 50 years Feathers was credited with 1,004 yards on 101 carries, an average of 9.9 yards a carry, but in the 1980s NFL researchers found 18 extra carries, which bumped down his average. Curiously, those extra carries didn't change his total yardage at all.
No one has ever come close to Feathers's record in the 71 seasons since. That includes Feathers himself — he played seven years in the NFL and never again topped 350 yards in a season or 5.0 yards a carry. Even the greatest running backs in history — Jim Brown, O.J. Simpson, Barry Sanders, and others — never came within two yards a carry of Feathers's record.
That Feathers and Douglass can own such seemingly important records and be relatively unknown says something about the way that in football — unlike baseball — numbers are not sacred. In fact, Feathers and Douglass might receive more attention than they ever have before if Vick breaks their record. He's well on his way to getting them that recognition.
QB Vick May Eclipse Two Little-Known Rushing Records This Season
By MICHAEL DAVID SMITH
November 3, 2006
Only the most obsessive football fans know the names of ex-Chicago Bears Bobby Douglass and Beattie Feathers. But Douglass, a quarterback from the 1970s, and Feathers, a running back from the 1930s, own two of the National Football League's most impressive records — and both their names could be wiped from the record book this year by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick.
Douglass set the record for most rushing yards in a season by a quarterback when he gained 968 yards in 1972. Feathers set the record for highest rushing average in a season when he gained 8.44 yards a carry in 1934. So far this season Vick has 60 carries for 496 yards, meaning he is on pace to eclipse Douglass's total and is just a hairsbreadth behind Feathers' average.
Vick, whose 5–2 Falcons visit the Detroit Lions Sunday, shivers when sports writers say he's a valuable runner but a liability as a passer, so he certainly wouldn't want to be compared to Douglass. The year he set the quarterback rushing record, Douglass completed just 75 of 198 passes. Although Vick has never been an accurate passer, he's far ahead of Douglass's 37.9% completion percentage, connecting on 55.4% of his passes this season.
Douglass compensated for his inaccuracy with the ability to throw long passes. Like Vick, Douglass had a rocket arm — although his passes often missed their targets, they went for long gains when they were complete. Douglass led the league in 1972 with 16.6 yards a completion, a far higher average than any quarterback in the modern NFL, where quarterbacks eschew long bombs for short, safe passes. But despite that ability to throw long, if Douglass were entering the NFL today, he wouldn't play quarterback. The most similar player to Douglass in today's NFL isn't Vick, it's Matt Jones of the Jacksonville Jaguars, whose great athleticism but inaccurate arm necessitated a switch from college quarterback to pro wide receiver.
Breaking Douglass's record would be impressive, but topping Feathers's 8.44 yards a carry would be even more so because Feathers's record deserves an asterisk: it probably didn't happen. Looking at the rest of Feathers's career and considering the nascent state of football statistics at the time, the most reasonable conclusion one can draw is that Feathers's record is bogus. He set it in just the third year the NFL kept official statistics, and a statistician's error may have upped Feathers's average. Most likely, the scorekeeper at Wrigley Field, where the Bears played, incorrectly included some of Feathers' kickoff or punt return yards as rushing yards.
The NFL has already acknowledged one error in charting Feathers's runs that season: For more than 50 years Feathers was credited with 1,004 yards on 101 carries, an average of 9.9 yards a carry, but in the 1980s NFL researchers found 18 extra carries, which bumped down his average. Curiously, those extra carries didn't change his total yardage at all.
No one has ever come close to Feathers's record in the 71 seasons since. That includes Feathers himself — he played seven years in the NFL and never again topped 350 yards in a season or 5.0 yards a carry. Even the greatest running backs in history — Jim Brown, O.J. Simpson, Barry Sanders, and others — never came within two yards a carry of Feathers's record.
That Feathers and Douglass can own such seemingly important records and be relatively unknown says something about the way that in football — unlike baseball — numbers are not sacred. In fact, Feathers and Douglass might receive more attention than they ever have before if Vick breaks their record. He's well on his way to getting them that recognition.
Such a bad statement. It's much easier to run the ball as a QB. When the RB gets the ball the defenders know he's going to run 99% of the time, whereas a QB gets a lot of yards when a play breaks down and he has a huge hole to run through. Not taking anything away from Feathers, or Vick, just saying comparing the YPC of RBs and QBs is just a terrible comparison.Speaking of the rushing record, at least Vick will most likely break it in fewer games, I would hate to see such a long standing record be broken because of longer seasons. How many games a year did they play during the time of Feathers.
Too bad he's still not as good a player as Randall was
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I think you would rather have your QB be a better passer than runner.
Not sure if you read the whole article. It said Feathers was a RB. And the "bad" statement was providing further data to suggest that the Feathers record is bogus. I don't think they were trying to make Vick sound greater than he is.
Borat
Footballguy
For your real world NFL team I agree. However, for your fantasy football team I completely disagree. Most leagues overvalue QB rushing statistics. In my league rushing touchdowns are worth twice as much as passing touchdowns and rushing yards are worth slightly more than twice as much as passing yards. In that system a quarterback who rushes for ~1000 yards is golden.
For fantasy stats great.
For Mora, it will likely cost him his job. For the Falcons, they miss the playoffs, and for Vick, he's proving to the world, he's a great runner, and cannot play QB at the NFL level. He's a great athlete, and can play FOOTBALL at the NFL level, just not QB. I have said for 2 years, the Falcons best chance to win is to find a way to get Vick on the field and get him the ball in space, and lett Matt Schaub be the QB. Get Vick 12-15 touches a game. Heck, can they revamp him into a WR? He's fast enough, but I've never seen his hands. He's got the moves. Mike Vick is an NFL caliber talent, but he's hurting the Falcons by playing at QB. His eye popping rushing totals as a QB don't mean jack. Look at the record. That tells you all you need to know. He's not just breaking the record, he's going to shatter it. He's hands down the best running QB we've seen. But, he's maybe the worst passing QB we've seen left in as a starter in my time of watching football. We've heard the receivers blamed for too long. It's Vick. If they had any semblance of a passing game, they'd be a top notch playoff caliber team. But, they don't.
I know somebody will try to put it on the defense, and they're not great. They're average. But, with that running game, and average defense would suffice with any semblance of a passing game, which they don't have. He's getting worse at passing, not better. Don't let this talent go to waste. Make a change and salvage the career. Six years in, he didn't develop. You're wasting two talents in Atlanta.
For Mora, it will likely cost him his job. For the Falcons, they miss the playoffs, and for Vick, he's proving to the world, he's a great runner, and cannot play QB at the NFL level. He's a great athlete, and can play FOOTBALL at the NFL level, just not QB. I have said for 2 years, the Falcons best chance to win is to find a way to get Vick on the field and get him the ball in space, and lett Matt Schaub be the QB. Get Vick 12-15 touches a game. Heck, can they revamp him into a WR? He's fast enough, but I've never seen his hands. He's got the moves. Mike Vick is an NFL caliber talent, but he's hurting the Falcons by playing at QB. His eye popping rushing totals as a QB don't mean jack. Look at the record. That tells you all you need to know. He's not just breaking the record, he's going to shatter it. He's hands down the best running QB we've seen. But, he's maybe the worst passing QB we've seen left in as a starter in my time of watching football. We've heard the receivers blamed for too long. It's Vick. If they had any semblance of a passing game, they'd be a top notch playoff caliber team. But, they don't.
I know somebody will try to put it on the defense, and they're not great. They're average. But, with that running game, and average defense would suffice with any semblance of a passing game, which they don't have. He's getting worse at passing, not better. Don't let this talent go to waste. Make a change and salvage the career. Six years in, he didn't develop. You're wasting two talents in Atlanta.
faulkfan
Footballguy
Looking at the Falcons it seems other teams have figured out that single coverage will take the WRs out of the game and everyone else can stop the RBs. Yes that means that Vick will go crazy running all over the field, but he isn't getting into the endzone himself so the defense is working.
Until he can learn to throw a touch pass, read defenses quickly, and aquire some pocket awareness he will be the finest RB taking snaps in the NFL. I will also mention that even if he should learn how to do all that there is no guarantee that his WRs will catch the passes anyway.
Until he can learn to throw a touch pass, read defenses quickly, and aquire some pocket awareness he will be the finest RB taking snaps in the NFL. I will also mention that even if he should learn how to do all that there is no guarantee that his WRs will catch the passes anyway.
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