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kylechoffman
Footballguy
Why not Vick to the Bills so those commercials a few years back with Vick to TO could be relived?
I know it won't happen... but don't see why the Vikes don't entertain that possibility. I mean, what's it going to cost them? Vick will only get a 1 year "prove yourself" contract this year... for probably a little more than the league minimum. Most teams won't touch him, but you can bet he won't take the league minimum. I live in MN, and I don't even want him, but why not?? Not much to lose, and potentially a big gain.
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Nah, Vick can't throw the ball... he's all legs.... Sage will surprise you... you will eat those words.
yeah really. I don't understand why teams like the Bills, Jaguars, 49ers, Rams, Vikings, Titans and Redskins aren't fighting to sign him. Every one of those teams has a less than desirable QB situation OR a QB that is less talented than Vick under center. I get the whole dog fighting thing and blah blah blah, but that's over with now. It's time to win some football games and get the players to help you do it, and say what you want about him, he helped Atlanta win many games when the rest of the team around him was mediocre at best.
Carver
Footballguy
identikit
Footballguy
Jeremy
Footballguy
It would seem like a decent idea. It wouldn't be that big of a circus because most of the state doesn't give a flip about the Vikings anyway. And now everyone knows how the organization really feels about Rosenfels and Jackson.
What have they got to lose? Maybe it'll help them sell some tickets and generate some interest.
What have they got to lose? Maybe it'll help them sell some tickets and generate some interest.
Seriously, if they hadn't paid Schaub all that money, Sage could be starting... Sage has to watch his INT's a little bit more and he'll be fine... Everyone just remembers the game where he blew it last year in Indy... that's all that sticks in their minds. He had some other really good games and won some good games for them as well.
That was 3 years ago basically. You think he is the same QB. I can see the PR ramifications and how has he proven he is the same QB. I am kind of surprises they have not had a college like workout for him to get interest going. But maybe they have not because he is not the same Vick he was 3 years ago.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The Titans already have an inaccurate QB with great running ability.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
isn't it ironic that someone named Sage would be lacking in decision making skills?
Gopher State
Footballguy
As a Viking season ticket holder, I would cancel/non-renew my season tickets as would many other Vikings fans if they sign Vick.
I don't see it even being considered, so nothing to worry about
Maybe Vick can go play with Charles Rogers, and Pac man,and make a league of their own
I don't see it even being considered, so nothing to worry about
Maybe Vick can go play with Charles Rogers, and Pac man,and make a league of their own
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Why is that? Is it because you think he's a bad QB or because of the past criminal activity? I'm guessing there would be a long line behind you to snap up whatever tickets were let go. Regardless of the short term PR hit, I think Vick would be a great addition for the Vikes. Dome, Turf, AD, O-line, etc. If he can regain his past form, it could work out very well.
People say this all the time but I don't believe it. Most people are all talk. I'm not saying you are or that you woudn't cancel your season tickets, but I AM saying that the majority of people are blowhards who would not cancel their tickets because their team signed Vick. No way.
This is something I didn't consider for Vick til I saw this post. I will say now, I am not a Vick fan, and never thought of him as a great NFL.
The reason teams aren't jumping at Vick, is because he's a PR nightmare. The SPCA, dog cruelty and like groups are strong in numbers. Obviously the Vikings have a good PR department after the "Love Boat" scandal. Went quiet quickly. Plus...what kind of shape is he in?
With ADP, Chester, Harvin, Berrian...and Rice/Wade with their offensive line...throw in Vick and Sage/Jackson! I like it.
The reason teams aren't jumping at Vick, is because he's a PR nightmare. The SPCA, dog cruelty and like groups are strong in numbers. Obviously the Vikings have a good PR department after the "Love Boat" scandal. Went quiet quickly. Plus...what kind of shape is he in?
With ADP, Chester, Harvin, Berrian...and Rice/Wade with their offensive line...throw in Vick and Sage/Jackson! I like it.
Jeremy
Footballguy
I think I've seen this threat from just about every team's fans ('cept Cowboy fans who would accept a child molester on their team if it helped them win). That, plus the media circus, plus that he's probably not that good anymore, and I think it's going to make it hard for him to find work in the NFL. I'm dying to see if someone will bite, though.
for every one person that cancels there will be 2 signing on. Fan interest is the least of a teams worries, people love a circus and any team with Vick will have improved attendance numbers.I think I've seen this threat from just about every team's fans ('cept Cowboy fans who would accept a child molester on their team if it helped them win). That, plus the media circus, plus that he's probably not that good anymore, and I think it's going to make it hard for him to find work in the NFL. I'm dying to see if someone will bite, though.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Umm...fan interest in Minny is a real team worry.for every one person that cancels there will be 2 signing on. Fan interest is the least of a teams worries, people love a circus and any team with Vick will have improved attendance numbers.I think I've seen this threat from just about every team's fans ('cept Cowboy fans who would accept a child molester on their team if it helped them win). That, plus the media circus, plus that he's probably not that good anymore, and I think it's going to make it hard for him to find work in the NFL. I'm dying to see if someone will bite, though.
i think you misunderstand what i am saying.Fan interest and ticket sales will increase for the team that signs Vick, not decrease. The poster above was implying Vick would hurt ticket sales.Umm...fan interest in Minny is a real team worry.for every one person that cancels there will be 2 signing on. Fan interest is the least of a teams worries, people love a circus and any team with Vick will have improved attendance numbers.I think I've seen this threat from just about every team's fans ('cept Cowboy fans who would accept a child molester on their team if it helped them win). That, plus the media circus, plus that he's probably not that good anymore, and I think it's going to make it hard for him to find work in the NFL. I'm dying to see if someone will bite, though.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Maybe...not sure he has as much of a draw anymore and is a big detraction to some.i think you misunderstand what i am saying.Fan interest and ticket sales will increase for the team that signs Vick, not decrease. The poster above was implying Vick would hurt ticket sales.Umm...fan interest in Minny is a real team worry.for every one person that cancels there will be 2 signing on. Fan interest is the least of a teams worries, people love a circus and any team with Vick will have improved attendance numbers.I think I've seen this threat from just about every team's fans ('cept Cowboy fans who would accept a child molester on their team if it helped them win). That, plus the media circus, plus that he's probably not that good anymore, and I think it's going to make it hard for him to find work in the NFL. I'm dying to see if someone will bite, though.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Because Rosenfels will turn the ball over ( By int or Fumble ) at least twice a game .Bad decision making, cant handle the pressure when the game is on the line ( Plus he s got the happy feet ).He proved all of that last season.Rosenfels is a carreer back up , nothing more...JohnnyU said:
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Vicktimized
Footballguy
Childress has been starting Tarvaris Jackson.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Yes for sure .Your full of ...... , talk for yourself dont mix anybody else in your stupidities ( As many others ) .You would be the first one to deny what you said if Vick came in and finally brought some offense to this boring Viking team.
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mdog1967
Footballguy
No, Vick is a Freak athlete - But lets not get carried away with the he is a better QB than___________(fill in the blank). If not for Vicks legs there would be no teams interested in having Vick as a backup let alone a starting QB. Vick dose not see the field well, makes poor decisions and is as about as accurate as Farve is Humble. I would rather have a developing T Jackson over Vick any day of the week.
i don't think you understand the job of a QB, it's to win games, and i'm sure Vick can help a team win more games (once he gets back into form) then at least 1/3 of the starting QBs in the NFL.he isn't a conventional QB and i think most people can't wrap their heads around that.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes...because Vick is so careful with the ball.Oh...and with the running style and other issues...Vick gets sacked a lot. Not a great thing to have the rep for with Minny's oline in pass protection.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The thing is...how to win the games though.Is it really a fit for what Minny does or wants to do?I don't think so.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Whoa.
While many are only considering that Vick has missed the last two seasons, let's keep in mind that he actually hasn't played in the NFL for three years.
That's a LONG time for a skill position player that has been confined for two years on top of that, not to mention aging and skill erosion. The last season Vick played, David Carr was still in Houston, Corey Dillon led the Patriots with 13 rushing TDs, and Mike Furrey of the Lions led the NFC in receptions with 98. Vick, albeit his "running ability," was sacked 45 times while bettering only Vince Young in completion percentage with a dismal 51.2%. We all know how productive Young has been recently. In any case, it's been awhile.
For something more to ponder, the Falcons spent years developing an offense that conformed to Vicks abilities and strengths while trying to minimize his shortcomings. Nobody has a base offense suited for him to say the least. With Vick nearing 30 and far from any condition to perform at the level the NFL will require from him, it would appear that there will be many, many people in for a great degree of disappointment if and when Vick finds his opportunity to get on the field again. He's no longer the young stallion many have fixed in their memory. While he may be a candidate for a few plays per game for somebody's "Wildcat," there is also yards of film for DCs to review from Vick's previous playing days. You know, back when Roddy White and Michael Jenkins weren't good enough receivers for him.
Just be forewarned... and very cautious of your perceived expectations.
ETA: Meanwhile, the list of "teams not interested in Vick" continues to grow:
Atlanta Falcons
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Detroit Lions
New York Jets
New York Giants
San Francisco 49ers
St. Louis Rams
Dallas Cowboys
Washington Redskins
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
Seattle Seahawks
Buffalo Bills
Cincinnati Bengals
Miami Dolphins
Kansas City Chiefs
Philadelphia Eagles
The Carolina Panthers are also believed to "not be interested," but haven't publically stated so.
That leaves 14 teams still in contention.
Minnesota Vikings
Chicago Bears
Green Bay Packers
New England Patriots
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Tennessee Titans
New Orleans Saints
Baltimore Ravens
Arizona Cardinals
Denver Broncos
San Diego Chargers
Oakland Raiders
Jacksonville Jaguars
While many are only considering that Vick has missed the last two seasons, let's keep in mind that he actually hasn't played in the NFL for three years.
That's a LONG time for a skill position player that has been confined for two years on top of that, not to mention aging and skill erosion. The last season Vick played, David Carr was still in Houston, Corey Dillon led the Patriots with 13 rushing TDs, and Mike Furrey of the Lions led the NFC in receptions with 98. Vick, albeit his "running ability," was sacked 45 times while bettering only Vince Young in completion percentage with a dismal 51.2%. We all know how productive Young has been recently. In any case, it's been awhile.
For something more to ponder, the Falcons spent years developing an offense that conformed to Vicks abilities and strengths while trying to minimize his shortcomings. Nobody has a base offense suited for him to say the least. With Vick nearing 30 and far from any condition to perform at the level the NFL will require from him, it would appear that there will be many, many people in for a great degree of disappointment if and when Vick finds his opportunity to get on the field again. He's no longer the young stallion many have fixed in their memory. While he may be a candidate for a few plays per game for somebody's "Wildcat," there is also yards of film for DCs to review from Vick's previous playing days. You know, back when Roddy White and Michael Jenkins weren't good enough receivers for him.
Just be forewarned... and very cautious of your perceived expectations.
ETA: Meanwhile, the list of "teams not interested in Vick" continues to grow:
Atlanta Falcons
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Detroit Lions
New York Jets
New York Giants
San Francisco 49ers
St. Louis Rams
Dallas Cowboys
Washington Redskins
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
Seattle Seahawks
Buffalo Bills
Cincinnati Bengals
Miami Dolphins
Kansas City Chiefs
Philadelphia Eagles
The Carolina Panthers are also believed to "not be interested," but haven't publically stated so.
That leaves 14 teams still in contention.
Minnesota Vikings
Chicago Bears
Green Bay Packers
New England Patriots
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Tennessee Titans
New Orleans Saints
Baltimore Ravens
Arizona Cardinals
Denver Broncos
San Diego Chargers
Oakland Raiders
Jacksonville Jaguars
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that's a valid point, but the people that constantly quote his passing numbers as proof he isn't a good QB are off base. He does a lot of other things that help a team which these same bashers completely ignore.A QB's job is to help a team win games period, whether it is via Vicks method or passing for 5k yards is irrelevant.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
He played in 2006 and was the #5 fantasy QB that year. He's missed 2 seasons, 2007 and 2008.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Right. And now it's 2009. So it's three years.You have to read (or quote) the entire previous post for it to sink in.
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Let's just take a look at who the Vikings have:
Sage: nah
Jackson: Michael Vick with no experience.
I'll take Vick. Even if he lost a step (I am sure he kept in shape in prison and he has been working with QB coaches. Let's also consider that he has creditors nipping at his heels...sounds like motivation to me. If he develops a work ethic he can do something.
Sage: nah
Jackson: Michael Vick with no experience.
I'll take Vick. Even if he lost a step (I am sure he kept in shape in prison and he has been working with QB coaches. Let's also consider that he has creditors nipping at his heels...sounds like motivation to me. If he develops a work ethic he can do something.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
From all that I've reviewed thus far, I'd say Vick lands in Jacksonville at this point.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I hope that's correct.Regarding your above post, I would be very excited to see Vick on the field (no matter the team), but I have no great expectations of what kind of performance to expect.I was always a critic of Vick when he was starting for ATL and it's reasonable to expect that it would take until 2010 for him to approach that level of play (if at all possible). It's likely he'll be a very poor man's version of his old self (literally and figuratively, I guess).That said, he's still a great addition for many teams, I think. I think he's especially smart for teams (like Jax) who have an estabilished starter. To get a man who's that talented, loved by his teammates, and adds an extra element to an offense for a dirt cheap price without giving up anything is simply a steal. If a coach uses him correctly (not as a starter in '09), he could make a team better. If he stinks, cut him.If he's not working hard enough, cut him.Any off-the-field misstep, cut him.From a football standpoint, there's some upside with pretty much no downside.It's hard to say what would happen for a team from a PR/$ standpoint. I have a feeling the negatives won't be as bad as many fear.Regarding this thread, I can't imagine Vick being a Viking. He doesn't make sense for the offense and we are talking about a fanbase that's still in shock to learn that NFL players like strippers.
I think you have to look at what offensive scheme he would fit into, and Childress' is definately, not it.
Tarvaris may surprise folks...
For some reason, I have thought the Rams would be a good place to change their offense and include Vick on special teams and gadget plays, then as a backup if Bulger goes down.
Tarvaris may surprise folks...
For some reason, I have thought the Rams would be a good place to change their offense and include Vick on special teams and gadget plays, then as a backup if Bulger goes down.
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Evilhomer3k
Footballguy
I believe that the Minnesota fan base is just not going to be very accepting of Vick. None of the ones I know would be. I don't know how that translates into empty seats. I really don't think there are that many people who would go because of Vick. My wife and I would likely not go to any games if he were signed. I'm sure I could convince her to go to the KC/SD game instead. 
I also think that Vick just isn't going to relieve any pressure on ADP. For the Vikings to win they need a QB who can keep the defense from stacking the box by making some plays down the field. Rosenfels would be better suited to that than Jackson or Vick.
I also think that Vick just isn't going to relieve any pressure on ADP. For the Vikings to win they need a QB who can keep the defense from stacking the box by making some plays down the field. Rosenfels would be better suited to that than Jackson or Vick.Evilhomer3k
Footballguy
Bolded teams who seem to be set with their starter. I believe the latest on the Raiders is that they have stated they are not interested (from the FBG email this morning).I wonder about teams that are set with their starter. Are they willing to deal with the PR of bringing Vick in? From a business standpoint I don't think it makes sense to risk losing part of your fan base to bring someone in who will sit on the bench. Anyone who might come to see Vick play is unlikely to bother if he's only going to be on the field a few times. I'm sure some team will pick him up though.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Del Rio says the Jags aren't interested in Vick:
http://www.jacksonville.com/interact/blog/...erested_in_vick
Thank God. I didn't think Wayne Weaver would add a guy like Vick to his team.
http://www.jacksonville.com/interact/blog/...erested_in_vick
Thank God. I didn't think Wayne Weaver would add a guy like Vick to his team.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Vick doesn’t appear to be on Vikings radar
Minneapolis Star & Tribune
July 29th, 2009 – 7:57 AM by Judd Zulgad
Shortly after Brett Favre told the Vikings that he would remain retired late Tuesday afternoon, a few national reporters began to throw out the possibility that Michael Vick might be a good fit in Minnesota.
I’m sure part of the thinking was that if the Vikings were willing to wait this long on Favre, this team must be desperate at quarterback. However, don’t expect to see Vick in a Vikings uniform.
A person with knowledge of the situation confirmed the organization doesn’t have interest in Vick. The Vikings will move ahead with Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels battling for the starting job in training camp and with John David Booty behind those two.
The Vikings’ lack of interest in Vick shouldn’t come as a shock considering team execs pretty much dismissed the subject at the NFL Scouting Combine last February in Indianapolis. And while Vick is now free to sign with an NFL team after commissioner Roger Goodell ruled on the matter this week, it’s difficult to believe the Vikings would want to take the public relations hit that is going to come with bringing Vick on board.
What Vick has going for him is the fact that former Indianapolis coach and all-around good guy Tony Dungy is going to serve as his mentor. But even that almost certainly wouldn’t be enough for Vikings owner Zygi Wilf to take the risk of signing Vick. Wilf has gone to great lengths to clean up things in Minnesota and create a positive public perception of his franchise. Remember, the Love Boat incident on Lake Minnetonka happened in Wilf’s first season as an owner. Brad Childress was hired as head coach in January 2006 in large part because he presented a no-nonsense plan when it came to player conduct.
The other part of this — and this is purely from a business standpoint — is that while signing Vick might create buzz much of it would be negative. The pursuit of Favre might have annoyed some folks, but the risk was worth the potential reward on a few fronts. One was that if Favre ended up with the Vikings, the team not only would have been virtually assured of selling out the Metrodome but obviously the franchise felt it could get some momentum in its push for a new stadium.
Vick, coming off a 23-month sentence for promoting dog fighting, is likely to cause (at least initially) protests outside of whatever stadiums he enters. Favre might have been guilty of waffling but that doesn’t cause anyone to stand outside a stadium with a sign in an attempt to show their disgust. Vick’s presense on the Vikings, in fact, could actually damage Wilf’s chances to get a stadium — it would give the politicians something to jump on — and it’s no secret that getting a new venue remains an uphill battle.
So much for the Vikings being interested in Vick. It would be a PR nighmare for team that already has a hard time selling season tickets. Plus Vick would kill any hope for a new stadium. People in Minnesotal have values, right or wrong they will not forgive Vick.
Minneapolis Star & Tribune
July 29th, 2009 – 7:57 AM by Judd Zulgad
Shortly after Brett Favre told the Vikings that he would remain retired late Tuesday afternoon, a few national reporters began to throw out the possibility that Michael Vick might be a good fit in Minnesota.
I’m sure part of the thinking was that if the Vikings were willing to wait this long on Favre, this team must be desperate at quarterback. However, don’t expect to see Vick in a Vikings uniform.
A person with knowledge of the situation confirmed the organization doesn’t have interest in Vick. The Vikings will move ahead with Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels battling for the starting job in training camp and with John David Booty behind those two.
The Vikings’ lack of interest in Vick shouldn’t come as a shock considering team execs pretty much dismissed the subject at the NFL Scouting Combine last February in Indianapolis. And while Vick is now free to sign with an NFL team after commissioner Roger Goodell ruled on the matter this week, it’s difficult to believe the Vikings would want to take the public relations hit that is going to come with bringing Vick on board.
What Vick has going for him is the fact that former Indianapolis coach and all-around good guy Tony Dungy is going to serve as his mentor. But even that almost certainly wouldn’t be enough for Vikings owner Zygi Wilf to take the risk of signing Vick. Wilf has gone to great lengths to clean up things in Minnesota and create a positive public perception of his franchise. Remember, the Love Boat incident on Lake Minnetonka happened in Wilf’s first season as an owner. Brad Childress was hired as head coach in January 2006 in large part because he presented a no-nonsense plan when it came to player conduct.
The other part of this — and this is purely from a business standpoint — is that while signing Vick might create buzz much of it would be negative. The pursuit of Favre might have annoyed some folks, but the risk was worth the potential reward on a few fronts. One was that if Favre ended up with the Vikings, the team not only would have been virtually assured of selling out the Metrodome but obviously the franchise felt it could get some momentum in its push for a new stadium.
Vick, coming off a 23-month sentence for promoting dog fighting, is likely to cause (at least initially) protests outside of whatever stadiums he enters. Favre might have been guilty of waffling but that doesn’t cause anyone to stand outside a stadium with a sign in an attempt to show their disgust. Vick’s presense on the Vikings, in fact, could actually damage Wilf’s chances to get a stadium — it would give the politicians something to jump on — and it’s no secret that getting a new venue remains an uphill battle.
So much for the Vikings being interested in Vick. It would be a PR nighmare for team that already has a hard time selling season tickets. Plus Vick would kill any hope for a new stadium. People in Minnesotal have values, right or wrong they will not forgive Vick.
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I''ve been thinking of teams that haven't really been mentioned yet as possible Vick destinations. I think I've found a good darkhorse.
How about the Giants? They are very run oriented and could use a backup QB. Also, their O-line is great and a backfield of Vick/Jacobs could be scary for opposing front sevens. Not to mention they have some good leadership with Coughlin. I don't think the Burress issue should matter here, but I imagine some might think it would, the Giants have a strong enough fan base that even if a couple fans jumped ship due to the Vick addition, it wouldn't really matter.
Plus, it'd be cool for the Giants to have 3 former #1 overall picks at QB.
How about the Giants? They are very run oriented and could use a backup QB. Also, their O-line is great and a backfield of Vick/Jacobs could be scary for opposing front sevens. Not to mention they have some good leadership with Coughlin. I don't think the Burress issue should matter here, but I imagine some might think it would, the Giants have a strong enough fan base that even if a couple fans jumped ship due to the Vick addition, it wouldn't really matter.
Plus, it'd be cool for the Giants to have 3 former #1 overall picks at QB.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
So much for the Vikings being interested in Vick. It would be a PR nighmare for team that already has a hard time selling season tickets. Plus Vick would kill any hope for a new stadium. People in Minnesotal have values, right or wrong they will not forgive Vick.
All that goes away with a 79 yard rumble to the house for any NFL team. That is the lure of his star power.
Something tells me that teams would love him but they are quietly toeing a line with image. A star that can extinguish quickly happens more and more in the NFL these days. People want fundamental decency and I have questions about the Mike Vick character that do not reflect well for the NFL. I am not one for any suspensions post prison but he is a potential off field distraction that needs to get his act in gear and prove it.
All that goes away with a 79 yard rumble to the house for any NFL team. That is the lure of his star power.
Something tells me that teams would love him but they are quietly toeing a line with image. A star that can extinguish quickly happens more and more in the NFL these days. People want fundamental decency and I have questions about the Mike Vick character that do not reflect well for the NFL. I am not one for any suspensions post prison but he is a potential off field distraction that needs to get his act in gear and prove it.
