Mid Rnd WRs: Godwin, Johnson, Kirk, McLaurin, Ridley (1 Viewer)

[BobbyLayne]

Want to have a discussion about these 5 as I find it hard to differentiate them.

Similar characteristics: no age cliff to discuss, none have a major lingering injury concern - Kirk is dinged up with a calf - all should have a healthy target share, but they’re not really in the PPR Top 24 discussion bc of other factors (QB play/offense, historically somewhat lower TD%, ambiguous/cloudy role in 12 formation, et al.)

• Chris Godwin, TB
• Diontae Johnson, CAR
• Christian Kirk, JAX
• Terry McLaurin, WAS
• Calvin Ridley, TEN

I would prefer we only discuss these players, but if you feel strongly about a player & want them to be included, happy to hear different perspectives.

Where do you rank these 5?

Is there separation amongst them?

Do you just approach this with a “same tier, don’t care which one I take” attitude?

Any potential league winners? Why do think they’ll massively outperform their current ADP?

Anyone you don’t think will hit their ADP with their 2024 production?

 

[RaidersAreOne]

I'm huge on McLaurin this year, and I think Godwin going back to the slot will be enormous for him as well. I think DIontae will get a wild number of targets so he should be in for a lot of touches regardless of what you think of Bryce Young.

Ridley and Kirk I am lower on than most.

 

[Banger]

I'm huge on McLaurin this year, and I think Godwin going back to the slot will be enormous for him as well. I think DIontae will get a wild number of targets so he should be in for a lot of touches regardless of what you think of Bryce Young.

Ridley and Kirk I am lower on than most.

I'm in the same boat with McLaurin...he's got a guy who can throw the ball downfield, nearly all WR target competition is gone so he'll the CLEAR #1 target in the offense. Dionte is also likely to be in a similar situation. I'm not sure why but I'm hesitant on Godwin...I understand the new role in the slot but he's a bit older and struggled with injuries so he's not high on my radar. I too don't really have interest in Ridley with Hopkins there.

 

[VikingFrog]

Great topic. And one I will enjoy reading and following after recently acquiring Johnson.

I have them ranked Terry, Diontae, Godwin, Ridley, Kirk.

My problem with many of these guys is if recently drafted many of them the last few seasons so I already have a bad taste in my mouth for most.

Terry seems to have a connection with Daniels and if his run game opens up the deep ball watch out.

Johnson should be a target machine and I could see him being a great garbage time fantasy asset simile to the old Allen Robinson days.

Ridley was supposed to be great last year, so it’s hard for me to believe this new situation will be good for him without seeing it.

 

[gbill2004]

Diontae is on my DND list because he seems to always be injured.

 

[Max Power]

I like Kirk to slide into the WR1 role for Jacksonville and put up sneaky good numbers. The Jags want to throw and I think (Hope) TLaw actually takes a step forward this year. Kirk is in line for a solid dose of targets and should have a high floor week to week. He may not have many monster games, but the weekly consistency from a WR3+ is a good return for his ADP.

 

[pinkstapler]

Diontae - because of route running excellence, always being open, and an unreal number of targets compared to the other WRs he's being drafted around
Terry - because he's shown he can compete with the big boys and I'm a major believer in Daniels; I'm often pairing the two when possible
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Kirk - I think he gets outshined by Brian Thomas early as a WR and ETN as the check down safety valve, targets just won't be there IMO
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Godwin - I think this is less because of him and more because I see this team doing terribly this year. They have one of the more difficult schedules IMO playing Chiefs, Lions, 49ers, Ravens, and that the Panthers and Falcons improved so the division isn't the walk it was last year. Losing Canalas hurts a lot too.
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Ridley - basically DND for me. I think it's a bad team with a bad QB and Ridley is 29 years old and never coming even close to what he showed in 2020. Even that year is starting to look more like an aberration than his potential.

 

[Chaka]

Smash McLaurin over any of those guys.

Who is the #2 target in Washington? Not just WR but overall receiving option? Ertz? He's 157 years old. Ekeler? Okay. Dotson/Dyami? McLaurin is going to be a target funnel and I think (hope) Daniels just radar locks on him and gets him 140+ targets.

I like Kirk next because I think he is the driver of the Jaguars passing game. His end of season numbers were disappointing but he was actually having a better season in 2023 than he did in 2022 before he got hurt. I think he steps in and returns to 2022 form at the least.

You can probably say similar about Diontae as McLaurin but I like Young less and Thielen is still somewhat credible. Plus I think the Commanders are probably the better team.

I guess Godwin should be next but I have always found him boring. He should rack up his usual 80+ receptions and 1,000+ yards but I'd be shocked if he scored even 5 TDs.

I put Ridley last because he is on a lesser passing offense, IMO. Maybe Callahan comes in and turns Levis into a credible passing offense, but I can't hang my hat on that one. I also question Ridley's talent a bit. I know he is a good WR but I think people still view him as some kind of Alpha based on something that happened one time four years ago.

 

[jm192]

Want to have a discussion about these 5 as I find it hard to differentiate them.

Similar characteristics: no age cliff to discuss, none have a major lingering injury concern - Kirk is dinged up with a calf - all should have a healthy target share, but they’re not really in the PPR Top 24 discussion bc of other factors (QB play/offense, historically somewhat lower TD%, ambiguous/cloudy role in 12 formation, et al.)

• Chris Godwin, TB
• Diontae Johnson, CAR
• Christian Kirk, JAX
• Terry McLaurin, WAS
• Calvin Ridley, TEN

I would prefer we only discuss these players, but if you feel strongly about a player & want them to be included, happy to hear different perspectives.

Where do you rank these 5?

Is there separation amongst them?

Do you just approach this with a “same tier, don’t care which one I take” attitude?

Any potential league winners? Why do think they’ll massively outperform their current ADP?

Anyone you don’t think will hit their ADP with their 2024 production?

Tough group to separate.

Diontae has been dealing with multiple injuries already, so I'm going to slide him down.

1. McLaurin. I think he's extremely talented but been limited by the offense/QB situation. Jayden Daniels is the real deal.
2. Ridley: #1 option. HC is the former Cincy OC who is talking about using Ridley "In the Chase role."
3. Godwin. Still believe in the talent. He's due for positive TD regression. Liam Cohen loves his slot guy
4. Kirk. His 17 game pace last year was 81/1114/4. I think Brian Thomas could be an actual Alpha receiver that ends up taking a big piece of that pie.
5. Johnson. Injury. I'd have him higher if not for it. I look at what Theilen did last year. I think Canales does wonders for Bryce Young. And I look at how Theilen was peppered with targets last year and envision that being Diontae this year.

 

[zamboni]

McLaurin gets a bump right now with the breaking news that Dotson has been traded to Philly.

 

[wickster33]

McLaurin gets a bump right now with the breaking news that Dotson has been traded to Philly.

Not sure that’s a needle mover. Dotson has been largely underwhelming and Zaccheus has been banging on the door for more time! Dotson leaving should not affect his targets much

 

[SoBeDad]

McLaurin, highest upside if Penix can do better than Howell, which is likely.

Godwin, safe floor. Same for Dionte Johnson, as the #1 in CAR if he's healthy.

I'm staying away from Kirk (competition) and Ridley (QB).

 

[zamboni]

McLaurin gets a bump right now with the breaking news that Dotson has been traded to Philly.

Not sure that’s a needle mover. Dotson has been largely underwhelming and Zaccheus has been banging on the door for more time! Dotson leaving should not affect his targets much

Maybe, but the guys remaining behind McLaurin might be even more underwhelming than Dotson.

 

[Jamesinaz]

My take is:

McLaurin - I think this will be a high scoring offense and he will be the alpha dog receiver plus he is a good red zone target. Plus no competition really. I want him as my WR3. (note non-PPR)

Diontae - He is also the alpha but I question his durability. Not anxious to draft him at ADP.

Godwin - yes I like at the right ADP but Evans is #1 and I don't think that much of Baker so..... I'll probably not draft him.

Kirk - Kinda a fence sitter. Would not draft at ADP.

Ridley - I probably should think better of him but that team looks like a composite of guys who were once or never weres but no now ares. I mean Tajae, Pollard, Hopkins, Boyd. Hopkins was a #1 once but looks slower now. I am avoiding this offense entirely. Even if Ridley is back he will be double teamed I suspect.

Please note I am a FF player but not a qualified expert in the real game.

 

[packdog]

i like to trade up or down into the area where you can draft these guys. i like all of them at cost. i'd add rice in the group cause he's often enough still floating amongst them. these wrs make me ok passing up some wrs earlier to draft high end tes/qbs or an extra rb

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Diontae and Godwin seem like safe enough floor guys. McLaurin has the most head room.

 

[Scoresman]

I rank them as follows

I actually have the two below one tier above.

Terry McLaurin, WAS
Calvin Ridley, TEN

Christian Kirk, JAX
Chris Godwin, TB
Diontae Johnson, CAR

 

[BobbyLayne]

BobbyLayne PPR ranks:

70. Johnson

73. Ridley

75. Kirk
76. McLaurin
77. Godwin

 

[Insein]

I'd rank these:

Mclaurin
Kirk
Godwin
Ridley
Johnson

Mclaurin will be a monster of JD is half as good as he looks.

Kirk will go back to a ppr machine.

Godwin should stay steady. Nothing to think otherwise with the off-season. Not spectacular but solid.

Ridley has decent upside with Dhop hurt and potential of Levis taking a step up. A lot more passing with that new offense. But he also could just be not that good.

Johnson definitely has a high ceiling if Young figures it out. But also a very low floor with how the offense looked last year.

 

[Jamesinaz]

BobbyLayne PPR ranks:

70. Johnson

73. Ridley

75. Kirk
76. McLaurin
77. Godwin

Curious if this i PPR or not. My rankings is non-PPR but if I went PPR it might change,

 

[massraider]

Want to have a discussion about these 5 as I find it hard to differentiate them.

Similar characteristics: no age cliff to discuss, none have a major lingering injury concern - Kirk is dinged up with a calf - all should have a healthy target share, but they’re not really in the PPR Top 24 discussion bc of other factors (QB play/offense, historically somewhat lower TD%, ambiguous/cloudy role in 12 formation, et al.)

• Chris Godwin, TB
• Diontae Johnson, CAR
• Christian Kirk, JAX
• Terry McLaurin, WAS
• Calvin Ridley, TEN

McLaurin--always been a good WR, not much competition, and fair bet to assume that situation gets better than last year. If Jayden Daniels puts up reasonable numbers, his upside from current ADP, to me, is greater than the other guys here. I think a career high for TDs is likely--and I don't think you can say that about these other dudes.

Kirk--I have him a notch below McLaurin, who I think is underrated, and I think Kirk is a little overrated, so that might skew my thinking. Someone likes Kirk over McLaurin, I won't argue. With Ridley gone, more targets seems likely. I think with Gabe Davis, Thomas, Engram and ETN, high volume slot work may not be there. He might return his ADP numbers, but a big spike, I dunno. I think people are planning on a return to his numbers two years ago, and it's a different team, with a matured QB.

Next three guys a good notch below

Ridley--Had to move to more of an outside role, to accommodate Kirk, which wasn't his best spot. Reading about Calvin Ridley this offseason, you would think he finished WR67 last year, and kicked puppies in his spare time. Drop a pass when the Red Zone is on a Jags game, and that's what happens. He's better than Kirk, and was in ATL, and JAX. FInished WR26 in my league, ahead of Kirk. But, Kirk is playing with a better QB, and TEN offense is a wild card. Hopkins is an alpha, he eats first. And Tyler Boyd is a slot guy, so maybe Ridley has the same issue in TEN that he had in JAX. Adn I don't like Ridley so much more than Kirk to dismiss the QB downgrade.

Godwin--My man has been in some good situations, and his TD numbers are simply not there. 10 TDs in 3 seasons. Just not excited about upside.

Diontae--This has as much to do with my desire to stay away from trainwreck organizations. I didn't believe in Bryce Young coming out of college, I thought the whole organization was a mess, and they somehow exceeded my expectations for dumpster fire, and were a dumpster volcano. But instead of lava, came out. A dumpster sheet-cano. He's been putting up TE numbers for a couple years, and Bryce may be better, or the owner might sign Tannehill ina fit of rage and bench Bryce in week 2. We just got rid of Danny Snyder, I don't want players from younger, fatter, angrier, Danny Snyder. If I whiff on this one, I am cool with it.