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[Dr. Manhattan]

still tip good especially done in. can’t tell you the last time l left under 20% even with bad service and I’m probably closer to 25% on average

I’ll happily tip when being served at a table and I’ll even give something if we order take out from a traditional restaurant. But not if I’m picking up pizza.

Can people not understand that this is different than just picking up a couple pizzas for your family?

Of course we do. But that doesn’t change that the business makes money on each pizza and if picking up from pizza or fast food you don’t need to tip.

But the server in charge of organizing and compiling the order probably doesn't.

I'm not saying go a full 20%, but 82 pizzas is an abnormal order and you gotta tip there IMO. And I'm admittedly not some loose, super generous tipper myself.

We can just disagree here. Everyone who worked in the store preparing or taking orders got paid over minimum wage. Which isn’t to say they don’t “deserve” a tip but there’s no obligation to do so.

Ordinarily I agree with you on takeout but the 82 pizzas is an anomaly that I presume causes additional work so therefore there should be additional compensation to the workers.

again assuming this was pre-ordered, they should have been able to properly staff for it. I’m just baffled that because someone orders more of something, they should pay an extra fee rather than get a discount

I hear you and don't entirely disagree. But, the food service world we live in relies on and contemplates tips for the food prices and servers' incomes. I'd much more prefer the European method where it's just baked into the price so we don't have to have these awkward situations. I actually don't mind when a restaurant has an auto-gratuity so I don't have to think about it. And, yeah, ideally the owner has some workers he or she may pay OT to for an advanced massive order like this and everybody is fairly compensated.

But, again, we don't live in this world. In the tipping culture world we live in, I find it unconscionable to not tip on a singular 82-pizza order.

Why does the inability/unwillingness of a restaurant owner to pay a livable wage burden me with the responsibility of making up the difference?

You're not "burdened" with anything if you decide not to tip - it's not a requirement. Similarly, you're not required to hold the door open for an 85 year old lady with a walker, either. But sometimes it's just the right thing to do. Here, when you're asking for a service outside the norm (82 freaking pizzas!), it's the right thing to do IMO.

This thread is funny. My wife gets on me all the time for not tipping enough in certain situations and I've been accused of being somewhere between frugal and stingy most of my life. But, man, compared to some of you...

I suppose thanks for making me feel a little better about myself.

"the food service world we live in relies on and contemplates tips for the food prices and servers' incomes"

thus the burden shifts

 

[-OZ-]

Or If I go sit down for a $300 steak dinner and leave zero tip, are you saying im not going to get a nasty comment from the server? What if I go back to this place again, am I going to get good service from this person?

So I would argue that we are indeed burdened with leaving a tip or there are possible repercussions

If I sit down and someone brings me food, I tip. Fairly well.

If I order takeout from a restaurant where the majority of their customers are dine in and served, I tip. A bit less because it doesn’t take as much time and I’m not taking up a table.

If I order from a counter or app where the business model is a person picks up their food from the counter and aren’t served at the table, I’m not tipping. We don’t order delivery.

ETA - I actually do tip when buying ice cream from a shop like the counter, partly because my kids like getting samples and the server has spent a fair bit of time with us.

 

[Zow]

still tip good especially done in. can’t tell you the last time l left under 20% even with bad service and I’m probably closer to 25% on average

I’ll happily tip when being served at a table and I’ll even give something if we order take out from a traditional restaurant. But not if I’m picking up pizza.

Can people not understand that this is different than just picking up a couple pizzas for your family?

Of course we do. But that doesn’t change that the business makes money on each pizza and if picking up from pizza or fast food you don’t need to tip.

But the server in charge of organizing and compiling the order probably doesn't.

I'm not saying go a full 20%, but 82 pizzas is an abnormal order and you gotta tip there IMO. And I'm admittedly not some loose, super generous tipper myself.

We can just disagree here. Everyone who worked in the store preparing or taking orders got paid over minimum wage. Which isn’t to say they don’t “deserve” a tip but there’s no obligation to do so.

Ordinarily I agree with you on takeout but the 82 pizzas is an anomaly that I presume causes additional work so therefore there should be additional compensation to the workers.

again assuming this was pre-ordered, they should have been able to properly staff for it. I’m just baffled that because someone orders more of something, they should pay an extra fee rather than get a discount

I hear you and don't entirely disagree. But, the food service world we live in relies on and contemplates tips for the food prices and servers' incomes. I'd much more prefer the European method where it's just baked into the price so we don't have to have these awkward situations. I actually don't mind when a restaurant has an auto-gratuity so I don't have to think about it. And, yeah, ideally the owner has some workers he or she may pay OT to for an advanced massive order like this and everybody is fairly compensated.

But, again, we don't live in this world. In the tipping culture world we live in, I find it unconscionable to not tip on a singular 82-pizza order.

Why does the inability/unwillingness of a restaurant owner to pay a livable wage burden me with the responsibility of making up the difference?

You're not "burdened" with anything if you decide not to tip - it's not a requirement. Similarly, you're not required to hold the door open for an 85 year old lady with a walker, either. But sometimes it's just the right thing to do. Here, when you're asking for a service outside the norm (82 freaking pizzas!), it's the right thing to do IMO.

This thread is funny. My wife gets on me all the time for not tipping enough in certain situations and I've been accused of being somewhere between frugal and stingy most of my life. But, man, compared to some of you...

I suppose thanks for making me feel a little better about myself.

"the food service world we live in relies on and contemplates tips for the food prices and servers' incomes"

thus the burden shifts

Eh, fair enough.

To be clear, I very much champion the European model.

 

[Zow]

Or If I go sit down for a $300 steak dinner and leave zero tip, are you saying im not going to get a nasty comment from the server? What if I go back to this place again, am I going to get good service from this person?

So I would argue that we are indeed burdened with leaving a tip or there are possible repercussions

If I sit down and someone brings me food, I tip. Fairly well.

If I order takeout from a restaurant where the majority of their customers are dine in and served, I tip. A bit less because it doesn’t take as much time and I’m not taking up a table.

If I order from a counter or app where the business model is a person picks up their food from the counter and aren’t served at the table, I’m not tipping. We don’t order delivery.

I'm pretty close to this except I usually throw the counter person a buck or two as I have had server and host friends tell them this is appreciated because it is taking up time where they could be doing tip-worthy stuff.

To be, the distinguishing fact here is that it was 82 freaking pizzas ordered. I actually compare this sort of thing to my own business. A potential client calls me Friday afternoon for a contested hearing on Monday and asks for representation. I'm charging a premium to do it because it means my staff and I may have to work over the weekend and go beyond a normal business task. Now, the difference is that I don't have a published menu for my services like a pizza place has a price per pizza, so a tip is the way to make up for the premium.

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

still tip good especially done in. can’t tell you the last time l left under 20% even with bad service and I’m probably closer to 25% on average

I’ll happily tip when being served at a table and I’ll even give something if we order take out from a traditional restaurant. But not if I’m picking up pizza.

Can people not understand that this is different than just picking up a couple pizzas for your family?

Of course we do. But that doesn’t change that the business makes money on each pizza and if picking up from pizza or fast food you don’t need to tip.

But the server in charge of organizing and compiling the order probably doesn't.

I'm not saying go a full 20%, but 82 pizzas is an abnormal order and you gotta tip there IMO. And I'm admittedly not some loose, super generous tipper myself.

We can just disagree here. Everyone who worked in the store preparing or taking orders got paid over minimum wage. Which isn’t to say they don’t “deserve” a tip but there’s no obligation to do so.

Ordinarily I agree with you on takeout but the 82 pizzas is an anomaly that I presume causes additional work so therefore there should be additional compensation to the workers.

again assuming this was pre-ordered, they should have been able to properly staff for it. I’m just baffled that because someone orders more of something, they should pay an extra fee rather than get a discount

I hear you and don't entirely disagree. But, the food service world we live in relies on and contemplates tips for the food prices and servers' incomes. I'd much more prefer the European method where it's just baked into the price so we don't have to have these awkward situations. I actually don't mind when a restaurant has an auto-gratuity so I don't have to think about it. And, yeah, ideally the owner has some workers he or she may pay OT to for an advanced massive order like this and everybody is fairly compensated.

But, again, we don't live in this world. In the tipping culture world we live in, I find it unconscionable to not tip on a singular 82-pizza order.

Why does the inability/unwillingness of a restaurant owner to pay a livable wage burden me with the responsibility of making up the difference?

You're not "burdened" with anything if you decide not to tip - it's not a requirement. Similarly, you're not required to hold the door open for an 85 year old lady with a walker, either. But sometimes it's just the right thing to do. Here, when you're asking for a service outside the norm (82 freaking pizzas!), it's the right thing to do IMO.

This thread is funny. My wife gets on me all the time for not tipping enough in certain situations and I've been accused of being somewhere between frugal and stingy most of my life. But, man, compared to some of you...

I suppose thanks for making me feel a little better about myself.

"the food service world we live in relies on and contemplates tips for the food prices and servers' incomes"

thus the burden shifts

Eh, fair enough.

To be clear, I very much champion the European model.

I think we agree there and I do tip, more than I really want due to that implied burden/expectation.

In this particular situation there is no chance in hell I am taking on someone else's tipping burden, especially in a questionable tipping situation to begin with.

 

[Zow]

still tip good especially done in. can’t tell you the last time l left under 20% even with bad service and I’m probably closer to 25% on average

I’ll happily tip when being served at a table and I’ll even give something if we order take out from a traditional restaurant. But not if I’m picking up pizza.

Can people not understand that this is different than just picking up a couple pizzas for your family?

Of course we do. But that doesn’t change that the business makes money on each pizza and if picking up from pizza or fast food you don’t need to tip.

But the server in charge of organizing and compiling the order probably doesn't.

I'm not saying go a full 20%, but 82 pizzas is an abnormal order and you gotta tip there IMO. And I'm admittedly not some loose, super generous tipper myself.

We can just disagree here. Everyone who worked in the store preparing or taking orders got paid over minimum wage. Which isn’t to say they don’t “deserve” a tip but there’s no obligation to do so.

Ordinarily I agree with you on takeout but the 82 pizzas is an anomaly that I presume causes additional work so therefore there should be additional compensation to the workers.

again assuming this was pre-ordered, they should have been able to properly staff for it. I’m just baffled that because someone orders more of something, they should pay an extra fee rather than get a discount

I hear you and don't entirely disagree. But, the food service world we live in relies on and contemplates tips for the food prices and servers' incomes. I'd much more prefer the European method where it's just baked into the price so we don't have to have these awkward situations. I actually don't mind when a restaurant has an auto-gratuity so I don't have to think about it. And, yeah, ideally the owner has some workers he or she may pay OT to for an advanced massive order like this and everybody is fairly compensated.

But, again, we don't live in this world. In the tipping culture world we live in, I find it unconscionable to not tip on a singular 82-pizza order.

Why does the inability/unwillingness of a restaurant owner to pay a livable wage burden me with the responsibility of making up the difference?

You're not "burdened" with anything if you decide not to tip - it's not a requirement. Similarly, you're not required to hold the door open for an 85 year old lady with a walker, either. But sometimes it's just the right thing to do. Here, when you're asking for a service outside the norm (82 freaking pizzas!), it's the right thing to do IMO.

This thread is funny. My wife gets on me all the time for not tipping enough in certain situations and I've been accused of being somewhere between frugal and stingy most of my life. But, man, compared to some of you...

I suppose thanks for making me feel a little better about myself.

"the food service world we live in relies on and contemplates tips for the food prices and servers' incomes"

thus the burden shifts

Eh, fair enough.

To be clear, I very much champion the European model.

I think we agree there and I do tip, more than I really want due to that implied burden/expectation.

In this particular situation there is no chance in hell I am taking on someone else's tipping burden, especially in a questionable tipping situation to begin with.

Okay, so you're saying now that you agree the organizers should tip the pizza place?

If so, that's all I am saying as I have previously stated as just the unknowing lacky I would not be inclined to shell out a meaningful tip in the OP's circumstance (e.g. $100). I do, however, given the American model believe a sizable tip should be given for a request for 82 pizzas from a local pizza shop even if advanced notice is given. This is especially my belief if the workers at the shop made it happen in a timely manner and the pizzas were reasonably fresh for the size of the order.

 

[-OZ-]

Or If I go sit down for a $300 steak dinner and leave zero tip, are you saying im not going to get a nasty comment from the server? What if I go back to this place again, am I going to get good service from this person?

So I would argue that we are indeed burdened with leaving a tip or there are possible repercussions

If I sit down and someone brings me food, I tip. Fairly well.

If I order takeout from a restaurant where the majority of their customers are dine in and served, I tip. A bit less because it doesn’t take as much time and I’m not taking up a table.

If I order from a counter or app where the business model is a person picks up their food from the counter and aren’t served at the table, I’m not tipping. We don’t order delivery.

I'm pretty close to this except I usually throw the counter person a buck or two as I have had server and host friends tell them this is appreciated because it is taking up time where they could be doing tip-worthy stuff.

To be, the distinguishing fact here is that it was 82 freaking pizzas ordered. I actually compare this sort of thing to my own business. A potential client calls me Friday afternoon for a contested hearing on Monday and asks for representation. I'm charging a premium to do it because it means my staff and I may have to work over the weekend and go beyond a normal business task. Now, the difference is that I don't have a published menu for my services like a pizza place has a price per pizza, so a tip is the way to make up for the premium.

Like I edited - I’ll tip a counter store on occasion. Bars too but I don’t buy that many drinks outside of dinner at the bar.

I get that you’d tip on the large order. But that’s really on the organizer, not the women who picked up the pizza.

It’s illegal for me to take tips so maybe I’m just salty.

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

still tip good especially done in. can’t tell you the last time l left under 20% even with bad service and I’m probably closer to 25% on average

I’ll happily tip when being served at a table and I’ll even give something if we order take out from a traditional restaurant. But not if I’m picking up pizza.

Can people not understand that this is different than just picking up a couple pizzas for your family?

Of course we do. But that doesn’t change that the business makes money on each pizza and if picking up from pizza or fast food you don’t need to tip.

But the server in charge of organizing and compiling the order probably doesn't.

I'm not saying go a full 20%, but 82 pizzas is an abnormal order and you gotta tip there IMO. And I'm admittedly not some loose, super generous tipper myself.

We can just disagree here. Everyone who worked in the store preparing or taking orders got paid over minimum wage. Which isn’t to say they don’t “deserve” a tip but there’s no obligation to do so.

Ordinarily I agree with you on takeout but the 82 pizzas is an anomaly that I presume causes additional work so therefore there should be additional compensation to the workers.

again assuming this was pre-ordered, they should have been able to properly staff for it. I’m just baffled that because someone orders more of something, they should pay an extra fee rather than get a discount

I hear you and don't entirely disagree. But, the food service world we live in relies on and contemplates tips for the food prices and servers' incomes. I'd much more prefer the European method where it's just baked into the price so we don't have to have these awkward situations. I actually don't mind when a restaurant has an auto-gratuity so I don't have to think about it. And, yeah, ideally the owner has some workers he or she may pay OT to for an advanced massive order like this and everybody is fairly compensated.

But, again, we don't live in this world. In the tipping culture world we live in, I find it unconscionable to not tip on a singular 82-pizza order.

Why does the inability/unwillingness of a restaurant owner to pay a livable wage burden me with the responsibility of making up the difference?

You're not "burdened" with anything if you decide not to tip - it's not a requirement. Similarly, you're not required to hold the door open for an 85 year old lady with a walker, either. But sometimes it's just the right thing to do. Here, when you're asking for a service outside the norm (82 freaking pizzas!), it's the right thing to do IMO.

This thread is funny. My wife gets on me all the time for not tipping enough in certain situations and I've been accused of being somewhere between frugal and stingy most of my life. But, man, compared to some of you...

I suppose thanks for making me feel a little better about myself.

"the food service world we live in relies on and contemplates tips for the food prices and servers' incomes"

thus the burden shifts

Eh, fair enough.

To be clear, I very much champion the European model.

I think we agree there and I do tip, more than I really want due to that implied burden/expectation.

In this particular situation there is no chance in hell I am taking on someone else's tipping burden, especially in a questionable tipping situation to begin with.

Okay, so you're saying now that you agree the organizers should tip the pizza place?

If so, that's all I am saying as I have previously stated as just the unknowing lacky I would not be inclined to shell out a meaningful tip in the OP's circumstance (e.g. $100). I do, however, given the American model believe a sizable tip should be given for a request for 82 pizzas from a local pizza shop even if advanced notice is given. This is especially my belief if the workers at the shop made it happen in a timely manner and the pizzas were reasonably fresh for the size of the order.

I'm saying picking on pick-up orders is already questionable. That's another reason why I wouldn't tip on top of it not being my burden to decide on in the first place.

Tipping on a pick-up order is asinine to me as no one is going above and beyond.

 

[Instinctive]

I don't understand the question really. Are you annoyed that your wife volunteered, delivered the pizzas, and didn't get a tip? That's why it's called volunteering.

Or did I misunderstand and the pizzas were delivered but the volunteers got them set up on tables or something?

 

[the moops]

Tipping on a pick-up order is asinine to me as no one is going above and beyond.

This completely restaurant dependent. Sometimes they have a dedicated person dealing with takeout orders. If so I may give a buck or two just because but sometimes it is the bartender or waitstaff that is going above and beyond to get that order ready. Sure the owner should hire someone but he/she being a jerk and being cheap doesn’t mean that I have to be.

 

[Instinctive]

I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.

For what? They should give you a discount if anything

For making 82 pizzas.

Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas

It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.

They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?

Food service workers are paid assuming they will be tipped. The federal government taxes them assuming they have been tipped.

Yes, if you pick up 1 pizza you should tip on the 1 pizza. If you pick up 5, you should tip on 5. If you pick up 82, you should tip on 82. See how that works?

Again, I assume that there was a service charge added to an order of this size, which means no additional tip is necessary. Places tend to do that to avoid dealing with logic like yours.

Never seen a tip screen at McDonalds. How much do you normally tip on an egg McMuffin?

They aren't paid with the assumption of tips, nor does the government tax them as if they are tipped.

Isn’t it on the owner to make up the difference if the employee doesn’t make enough in tips to meet minimum wage?

Also I guess im expected to understand every company’s wage structure before i decide to tip or not?

Also I think you’re proving how stupid and out of control tipping culture is and how people are sick of subsidizing wages for restaurant owners

Why do I need to tip my waiter $2.50 to bring out a $10 burger and fries but I need to tip him $12.50 to bring me a $50 steak and baked potato. Is he working that much harder to carry out that plate because it costs more?

If you can't afford to tip the people that prepare and serve your food, you should stick to eating at home or going to McDonalds.

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

 

[-OZ-]

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

If you’re the customer choosing where to go, you are choosing the type of compensation you’re supporting. If you don’t want to tip, stick to counter serve and pizza joints.

 

[the moops]

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job.

Life doesn’t always work this way

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

If you’re the customer choosing where to go, you are choosing the type of compensation you’re supporting. If you don’t want to tip, stick to counter serve and pizza joints.

You understand a pizza joint is exactly the venue for this tipping conversation, yes?

 

[Instinctive]

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

If you’re the customer choosing where to go, you are choosing the type of compensation you’re supporting. If you don’t want to tip, stick to counter serve and pizza joints.

If I'm the customer choosing where to go, I'm gonna choose based on what I want. I don't give a crap how you compensate the workers unless it affects the product I get. That's not my job. My job is to have preferences and pay for them.

Now if you just have caring about workers supercharged as some part of your identity, then it should be part of your preferences I guess. It's not part of mine, and nobody will impose it upon me.

So I will stick to the best products. The market will fix compensation. If the product gets worse because people aren't compensated enough to do a good enough job, then I'll stop going to that place. And that place will either wither and die or that place will raise compensation to get the requisite talent.

I would argue anyone doing anything otherwise is kind of interfering with the markets ability to operate.

 

[-OZ-]

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

If you’re the customer choosing where to go, you are choosing the type of compensation you’re supporting. If you don’t want to tip, stick to counter serve and pizza joints.

You understand a pizza joint is exactly the venue for this tipping conversation, yes?

I’ve been consistent in my response. I wouldn’t tip at pizza places when I pick up.

 

[-OZ-]

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

If you’re the customer choosing where to go, you are choosing the type of compensation you’re supporting. If you don’t want to tip, stick to counter serve and pizza joints.

If I'm the customer choosing where to go, I'm gonna choose based on what I want. I don't give a crap how you compensate the workers unless it affects the product I get. That's not my job. My job is to have preferences and pay for them.

Now if you just have caring about workers supercharged as some part of your identity, then it should be part of your preferences I guess. It's not part of mine, and nobody will impose it upon me.

So I will stick to the best products. The market will fix compensation. If the product gets worse because people aren't compensated enough to do a good enough job, then I'll stop going to that place. And that place will either wither and die or that place will raise compensation to get the requisite talent.

I would argue anyone doing anything otherwise is kind of interfering with the markets ability to operate.

So basically you don’t care about the workers.

 

[MTskibum]

I would have tipped 100 dollars and then let organizers know that they should tip when ordering 82 pizzas.

 

[Instinctive]

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

If you’re the customer choosing where to go, you are choosing the type of compensation you’re supporting. If you don’t want to tip, stick to counter serve and pizza joints.

If I'm the customer choosing where to go, I'm gonna choose based on what I want. I don't give a crap how you compensate the workers unless it affects the product I get. That's not my job. My job is to have preferences and pay for them.

Now if you just have caring about workers supercharged as some part of your identity, then it should be part of your preferences I guess. It's not part of mine, and nobody will impose it upon me.

So I will stick to the best products. The market will fix compensation. If the product gets worse because people aren't compensated enough to do a good enough job, then I'll stop going to that place. And that place will either wither and die or that place will raise compensation to get the requisite talent.

I would argue anyone doing anything otherwise is kind of interfering with the markets ability to operate.

So basically you don’t care about the workers.

W/e helps you sleep at night.

I'd say, I care about all of us living in a properly functioning market, which would appropriately take care of workers. I'm one of the workers after all.

And me randomly tipping the people income into contact with would never solve the problem. It would make me feel good about doing something for one person, but bad about obfuscating income so that it never gets properly fixed.

 

[Judge Smails]

Bunch of miserly penny pinching FBG’s. Pretty disappointing

 

[-fish-]

I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.

For what? They should give you a discount if anything

For making 82 pizzas.

Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas

It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.

They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?

Food service workers are paid assuming they will be tipped. The federal government taxes them assuming they have been tipped.

Yes, if you pick up 1 pizza you should tip on the 1 pizza. If you pick up 5, you should tip on 5. If you pick up 82, you should tip on 82. See how that works?

Again, I assume that there was a service charge added to an order of this size, which means no additional tip is necessary. Places tend to do that to avoid dealing with logic like yours.

Never seen a tip screen at McDonalds. How much do you normally tip on an egg McMuffin?

They aren't paid with the assumption of tips, nor does the government tax them as if they are tipped.

Isn’t it on the owner to make up the difference if the employee doesn’t make enough in tips to meet minimum wage?

Also I guess im expected to understand every company’s wage structure before i decide to tip or not?

Also I think you’re proving how stupid and out of control tipping culture is and how people are sick of subsidizing wages for restaurant owners

Why do I need to tip my waiter $2.50 to bring out a $10 burger and fries but I need to tip him $12.50 to bring me a $50 steak and baked potato. Is he working that much harder to carry out that plate because it costs more?

If you can't afford to tip the people that prepare and serve your food, you should stick to eating at home or going to McDonalds.

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

The wage assumes you will receive tips. The employer expects you to receive tips. The federal government expects you to receive tips. There is no reason to get a different job if you are actually receiving the tips, and not dealing with people who don't understand these very basic concepts.

Although it would be great if we just did away with tipping and went to a European model, this is what we have. If you don't want to tip, don't go out to eat. Or move to another country where the prices will be higher so you're paying the same thing, but you won't have to do the math to pay the person serving you a reasonable tip.

 

[belljr]

Bet some of you guys don't tip strippers either

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Bunch of miserly penny pinching FBG’s. Pretty disappointing

How much do you tip your pharmacist for filling a script?

What about the kid who bags your groceries? You slipping him 20% on top of your grocery order?

Do you tip the guy at the liquor store if he has to grab a bottle of whiskey from the top shelf?

 

[ChiefD]

Bet some of you guys don't tip strippers either

Let's not get crazy here.......

 

[Instinctive]

I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.

For what? They should give you a discount if anything

For making 82 pizzas.

Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas

It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.

They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?

Food service workers are paid assuming they will be tipped. The federal government taxes them assuming they have been tipped.

Yes, if you pick up 1 pizza you should tip on the 1 pizza. If you pick up 5, you should tip on 5. If you pick up 82, you should tip on 82. See how that works?

Again, I assume that there was a service charge added to an order of this size, which means no additional tip is necessary. Places tend to do that to avoid dealing with logic like yours.

Never seen a tip screen at McDonalds. How much do you normally tip on an egg McMuffin?

They aren't paid with the assumption of tips, nor does the government tax them as if they are tipped.

Isn’t it on the owner to make up the difference if the employee doesn’t make enough in tips to meet minimum wage?

Also I guess im expected to understand every company’s wage structure before i decide to tip or not?

Also I think you’re proving how stupid and out of control tipping culture is and how people are sick of subsidizing wages for restaurant owners

Why do I need to tip my waiter $2.50 to bring out a $10 burger and fries but I need to tip him $12.50 to bring me a $50 steak and baked potato. Is he working that much harder to carry out that plate because it costs more?

If you can't afford to tip the people that prepare and serve your food, you should stick to eating at home or going to McDonalds.

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

The wage assumes you will receive tips. The employer expects you to receive tips. The federal government expects you to receive tips. There is no reason to get a different job if you are actually receiving the tips, and not dealing with people who don't understand these very basic concepts.

Although it would be great if we just did away with tipping and went to a European model, this is what we have. If you don't want to tip, don't go out to eat. Or move to another country where the prices will be higher so you're paying the same thing, but you won't have to do the math to pay the person serving you a reasonable tip.

Whoah.

The wage at a restaurant, for a server, assumes tips.

The wage for a guy making pizzas in the kitchen does not assume tips at any restaurant I have ever worked at or consulted for.

We arent talking about a service role where tipping is an expected element. We're talking about some mix of kitchen staff and POS operator.

 

[belljr]

Jeebus no need trash the counter person ......

 

[belljr]

I tip everyone

 

[Instinctive]

I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.

For what? They should give you a discount if anything

For making 82 pizzas.

Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas

It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.

They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?

Food service workers are paid assuming they will be tipped. The federal government taxes them assuming they have been tipped.

Yes, if you pick up 1 pizza you should tip on the 1 pizza. If you pick up 5, you should tip on 5. If you pick up 82, you should tip on 82. See how that works?

Again, I assume that there was a service charge added to an order of this size, which means no additional tip is necessary. Places tend to do that to avoid dealing with logic like yours.

Never seen a tip screen at McDonalds. How much do you normally tip on an egg McMuffin?

They aren't paid with the assumption of tips, nor does the government tax them as if they are tipped.

Isn’t it on the owner to make up the difference if the employee doesn’t make enough in tips to meet minimum wage?

Also I guess im expected to understand every company’s wage structure before i decide to tip or not?

Also I think you’re proving how stupid and out of control tipping culture is and how people are sick of subsidizing wages for restaurant owners

Why do I need to tip my waiter $2.50 to bring out a $10 burger and fries but I need to tip him $12.50 to bring me a $50 steak and baked potato. Is he working that much harder to carry out that plate because it costs more?

If you can't afford to tip the people that prepare and serve your food, you should stick to eating at home or going to McDonalds.

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

The wage assumes you will receive tips. The employer expects you to receive tips. The federal government expects you to receive tips. There is no reason to get a different job if you are actually receiving the tips, and not dealing with people who don't understand these very basic concepts.

Although it would be great if we just did away with tipping and went to a European model, this is what we have. If you don't want to tip, don't go out to eat. Or move to another country where the prices will be higher so you're paying the same thing, but you won't have to do the math to pay the person serving you a reasonable tip.

Whoah.

The wage at a restaurant, for a server, assumes tips.

The wage for a guy making pizzas in the kitchen does not assume tips at any restaurant I have ever worked at or consulted for.

We arent talking about a service role where tipping is an expected element. We're talking about some mix of kitchen staff and POS operator.

We arent even talking about valet, bellhop, caddie, bartender...I want to be very clear that my point in this specific thread is not that tipping is always bad. It's that this (making pizzas) is clearly NOT what tipping is for or how it works, or a job that is ripped.

 

[General Malaise]

Bunch of miserly penny pinching FBG’s. Pretty disappointing

How much do you tip your pharmacist for filling a script?

What about the kid who bags your groceries? You slipping him 20% on top of your grocery order?

Do you tip the guy at the liquor store if he has to grab a bottle of whiskey from the top shelf?

Do you live in 1975 Iowa? You still have kids bagging your groceries? Are you getting your dipstick checked every fill-up? Does the paper boy throw your Morning Gazette to your slippered feet?

 

[the moops]

It's that this (making pizzas) is clearly NOT what tipping is for or how it works, or a job that is ripped.

It's not making pizzas, it is making 82 pizzas.

 

[urbanhack]

I would have given the pizza place $20 and then would circle back with the folks in charge and get it back from petty cash account or from the person who paid for it.

The only thing I have to say is that I'm now going to order pizza for dinner tonight.

 

[Zow]

Bet some of you guys don't tip strippers either

One of the highlights of my life was convincing a Vegas stripper to tip me a dollar to give me a lap dance. Sigh.

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

It's that this (making pizzas) is clearly NOT what tipping is for or how it works, or a job that is ripped.

It's not making pizzas, it is making 82 pizzas.

How is 82 pizzas for 41 people different than for 1?

 

[-OZ-]

This is an insane take. If you can't afford to work there for the wage, get a different job. If you can't afford to pay them charge more. If you can't charge more, don't run a food business.

If you’re the customer choosing where to go, you are choosing the type of compensation you’re supporting. If you don’t want to tip, stick to counter serve and pizza joints.

If I'm the customer choosing where to go, I'm gonna choose based on what I want. I don't give a crap how you compensate the workers unless it affects the product I get. That's not my job. My job is to have preferences and pay for them.

Now if you just have caring about workers supercharged as some part of your identity, then it should be part of your preferences I guess. It's not part of mine, and nobody will impose it upon me.

So I will stick to the best products. The market will fix compensation. If the product gets worse because people aren't compensated enough to do a good enough job, then I'll stop going to that place. And that place will either wither and die or that place will raise compensation to get the requisite talent.

I would argue anyone doing anything otherwise is kind of interfering with the markets ability to operate.

So basically you don’t care about the workers.

W/e helps you sleep at night.

I'd say, I care about all of us living in a properly functioning market, which would appropriately take care of workers. I'm one of the workers after all.

And me randomly tipping the people income into contact with would never solve the problem. It would make me feel good about doing something for one person, but bad about obfuscating income so that it never gets properly fixed.

You’re doing it wrong if it’s random.
This really isn’t difficult. Choose to go where you want, but understand the expectations including tipping when you do so. Or you’re cheating a worker out of their expected compensation.

The only way the market will change without cheating the workers is by going to places whose business plan doesn’t conflict with your values.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

It's that this (making pizzas) is clearly NOT what tipping is for or how it works, or a job that is ripped.

It's not making pizzas, it is making 82 pizzas.

What if it was 41 pizza?
20?
8?
2?

You still tipping on all of those?

 

[-OZ-]

Bunch of miserly penny pinching FBG’s. Pretty disappointing

How much do you tip your pharmacist for filling a script?

What about the kid who bags your groceries? You slipping him 20% on top of your grocery order?

Do you tip the guy at the liquor store if he has to grab a bottle of whiskey from the top shelf?

Do you live in 1975 Iowa? You still have kids bagging your groceries? Are you getting your dipstick checked every fill-up? Does the paper boy throw your Morning Gazette to your slippered feet?

I wish this weren’t a thing here, but it is unless we go to Aldi’s or self checkout. So we do that.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Bunch of miserly penny pinching FBG’s. Pretty disappointing

How much do you tip your pharmacist for filling a script?

What about the kid who bags your groceries? You slipping him 20% on top of your grocery order?

Do you tip the guy at the liquor store if he has to grab a bottle of whiskey from the top shelf?

Do you live in 1975 Iowa? You still have kids bagging your groceries? Are you getting your dipstick checked every fill-up? Does the paper boy throw your Morning Gazette to your slippered feet?

My local Kroger does in fact have people who bag groceries, at least some of the time

Thanks for dodging the question though

 

[fruity pebbles]

I probably would have given the two kids $20 each and told the organizers to pick up their own pizzas next time. That said, I think tipping culture has gone off the rails and it’s actually starting to hurt the professions where it has been historically customary to tip. A fair number of people are fed up with everyone wanting a tip and aren’t tipping anybody anymore. No joke, I went to the movie theater and got a soda. Kid handed me an empty cup and turned around a tip screen.

 

[SWC]

the pizza shop i like the best near me has a small little dining area of four tables and the same people that check me out for my pickup orders both in terms of me lookin good and in terms of me paying for my zas also are the waiters and they get paid like waiters so even though i am just picking up i tip those brochachos because brohans it is ok to spread the love and i dont drink so i just figure i still like 20 smackers ahead every pizza night any old how so bam karma take that to the bank bromigos

 

[the moops]

It's that this (making pizzas) is clearly NOT what tipping is for or how it works, or a job that is ripped.

It's not making pizzas, it is making 82 pizzas.

How is 82 pizzas for 41 people different than for 1?

Because if it is online ordering or in person the 82 pizzas for 41 people would not come out at the same time. I am sure the kids in this pizza joint busted their *** way more on this order of 82 than they typically do. I appreciate the effort and throw them some extra cash as a thanks. It doesn't cost much to be a nice guy and in this case I for sure would have the parent association reimburse me so in fact it would cost me nothing besides my small share

 

[General Malaise]

I'm in the mood for some mediocre chain pizza tonight. Anybody else?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Bet some of you guys don't tip strippers either

They don’t t feel it’s their responsibility to supplement their wages.

 

[General Malaise]

Bunch of miserly penny pinching FBG’s. Pretty disappointing

How much do you tip your pharmacist for filling a script?

What about the kid who bags your groceries? You slipping him 20% on top of your grocery order?

Do you tip the guy at the liquor store if he has to grab a bottle of whiskey from the top shelf?

Do you live in 1975 Iowa? You still have kids bagging your groceries? Are you getting your dipstick checked every fill-up? Does the paper boy throw your Morning Gazette to your slippered feet?

My local Kroger does in fact have people who bag groceries, at least some of the time

Thanks for dodging the question though

To be fair you weren't asking me.

I tip the bud-tenders that sell me weed but not the liquor store clerk, though I don't buy a lot of liquor anymore. Not sure why I tip one and not the other.

I also give our mailman a holiday card with cash, but I interact with him. I don't leave a gift the garbageman because I have no interaction. Maybe I should change that?

I suppose the arbitrary nature of who gets a tip is aggravating to some. I just play by the rules of life I've been handed and then try to use my judgement as best I can with regards to tipping and how much. Yes, I think it's gotten out of hand. No, that doesn't prevent me from leaving tips when asked.

 

[belljr]

Bunch of miserly penny pinching FBG’s. Pretty disappointing

How much do you tip your pharmacist for filling a script?

What about the kid who bags your groceries? You slipping him 20% on top of your grocery order?

Do you tip the guy at the liquor store if he has to grab a bottle of whiskey from the top shelf?

Do you live in 1975 Iowa? You still have kids bagging your groceries? Are you getting your dipstick checked every fill-up? Does the paper boy throw your Morning Gazette to your slippered feet?

We don't even ****ing have bags!!!!

 

[General Malaise]

Although the tip line for getting concessions at a ball game seems to be a new trend and I'm not sure I like that considering how much concessions and ball games cost.

 

[SWC]

so i jumped a ship from hong kong on my way over to tibet and i get on as a looper at a dominoes in the himalayas a looper you know a pizza man a looper a pizza jock so i tell them im a pro pizza jock and who is my first customer the dali lama himself twelft son of the lama the flowing robes the grace bald just striking so im at teh counter with him i give him the pie he hauls off and eats an entire slice in one bite big eater the lama and just as he takes the second slice out it falls into a ten thousand foot crevass right at the base of a glacier do you know what the lama says he says gunga galungo gunga gunga galunga so he finishes the pie and hes gonna stiff me and i say hey lama how about a little something you know for the effort and he says oh uh there wont be any money but when you die on your deathbed you will receive total consciousness and take it to the bank in the sky so i got that going for me which is nice brohans

 

[General Malaise]

Bunch of miserly penny pinching FBG’s. Pretty disappointing

How much do you tip your pharmacist for filling a script?

What about the kid who bags your groceries? You slipping him 20% on top of your grocery order?

Do you tip the guy at the liquor store if he has to grab a bottle of whiskey from the top shelf?

Do you live in 1975 Iowa? You still have kids bagging your groceries? Are you getting your dipstick checked every fill-up? Does the paper boy throw your Morning Gazette to your slippered feet?

We don't even ****ing have bags!!!!

We have paper bags available for 5 cents each. I just bag my groceries when I get to the car since we have all the reusable bags in there (and I'm too oblivious to remember to bring them in the store with me).

When I was in Arizona last summer, I was quite surprised to see the plethora of plastic bags and the liberal give-out program that the grocery stores employed down there. "Got a gallon of ice cream? We'll use 5 bags for you!".

 

[SWC]

now i just want gm and shuke to do a big eater the lama pizza off take that to the bank bromigos

 

[massraider]

If I order a coffee for pickup, I see no reason to tip.

If I order 100 coffees, I would definitely tip.

That's the difference. I don't think anyone is obligated to tip in that situation. Some would and some wouldn't, it's a what would you do scenario, yeah?

I'm mainly surprised that people cannot wrap their head around this insane concept of someone tipping on 92 pizzas.

 

[the moops]

If I order a coffee for pickup, I see no reason to tip.

If I order 100 coffees, I would definitely tip.

That's the difference. I don't think anyone is obligated to tip in that situation. Some would and some wouldn't, it's a what would you do scenario, yeah?

I'm mainly surprised that people cannot wrap their head around this insane concept of someone tipping on 92 pizzas.

This