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I hate to break it down as simply as this, but he's an old man. Old fashioned, stubborn...Cincy has no hope as long as he's running the show. If they get lucky and develop some great players, chances are they'll be disgruntled with their contract situation after a few years.
Is that you Marvin? haha
While the situations are different, the principle is still the same.
How so?
By trading one guy that has been persistently asking for a trade and not another.
They were getting no more than a 2nd.
A second round pick is worth a lot. Surely a lot more than nothing.
Showing every current and future player that you refuse to be held hostage is worth more than a 2 imo. Also they keep Palmer. Saying you're going to retire if you're not traded and actually retiring are two different things. People going to be shocked if he reports just before the regular season starts?
If the Bengals gave in, it would open up the floodgates.
But you're getting NOTHING when you could be getting something very good. Let the guy move on, someone will overpay.
theres really no excuse for letting him retire in return for nothing. its beyond comprehension. as for drafting, bengals have actually drafted pretty well the last 8 or so years. proly a tad above average.
Ok, it was probably a bit overstated that their drafting is as bad as its been. They still could use something for the guy, knowing he's not bluffing and retiring.
No way they get a 2nd. If there was a 2nd in play he would heve been traded. 4th rounder is the best they would get IMO.'Drunken Cowboy said:
Actually you are getting much more by not letting him go. I understand your thought but the precedent that you would be setting by caving in would be very dangerous.'nysportsfan said:
What are they getting now?'Hoart Petterson said:
Carson Palmer and their dignity?
While perhaps not as "in your face" since Ocho Cinco has been an issue for years and so there is a certain numbing effect from all his noise, it's hard not to see him being traded as caving in. So while I understand and tend to agree with the issue of not caving in, my vote is that the Bengals have caved in with regards to Ocho Cinco. What I see is that after years of being a thorn in the side of the organization, of not always playing hard...he gets traded as he wished. Meanwhile, the gentleman who quietly and with dignity endured the nightmare that is the Bengals is sent to the corner for a time out when he finally says he can't take it any more. While if I were a GM, of the two I'd much rather have a person the calibre of Palmer on my squad... I'd also be much more likely to do the right thing by him as he had done by my team for years. And yes I say that realizing that he had signed a contract and was paid big bucks to be in Cincy. I do not say Palmer has a right to be traded, but I would definitely be more inclined to grant his wish than to grant Ocho's.
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I don't recall..., has any Bengal voluntarily given back his signing bonus when he was cut?
He didn't trade Ocho because Ocho asked. He traded him because he was going to cut him anyway. He didn't want to cut Palmer, he wanted to keep him. I may be in the minority here, but I like that he didn't cave to Palmers demands. Let him play out the contract he signed. He set a precedence. If all owners did this fewer players would be threatening to sit out.'Terpman22 said:
This stuff has been going on in Cincy forever, back to Boomer Esiason. Mike Brown has been trying to set "precedent" for 20 years and it hasn't stopped players from doing it. He did it with Ocho 3 years ago, passing on two 1st rounders from the Redskins. Ocho eventually showed up but moped his way through the 2008 season out of shape. It was a mistake then and its a mistake now and it will do nothing to stop the next guy who wants out.
And WHY would it open floodgates?? Because EVERYONE wants out..regardless of how or who got them to the situation, we should focus more on the cause and not the symptoms. In the end, it is Mike Brown's dismal running of the team that creates this...period. If the team wasn't a laughing stock, they wouldn't have to fear "opening floodgates" because people wouldn't want a mass exodus. You never hear about people crying without end trying to get out of Baltimore or new England or Pittsburgh. You never even hear about people screaming to get out Kansas City or Detroit. but you do in Cincy...all the time. The players names change but the theme is the same. That's ownership; not players.I see some people calling Palmer a quitter and such but I pat him on the back. I know people that won't leave their crappy, unfair jobs that pay peanuts. But Palmer is walking away from millions. Not because he is a quitter. He's put in hard work and endured a CRAP situation. He's just a very rare guy that actually does what he says..and he says what he believes...and his beliefs are based on common sense and principle. So if Cincy is going to be content to make Mike Brown a profit every year and go through motions to have a team...but never contend...and it literarly risks people's health...then Carson has every right to pick health and overall happiness over risking those things to NOT ever have a chance at achieving his boyhood dream of playing in a Super Bowl.'PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
The sorry state of the Bengals didnt prevent Jerome Simpson from contributing to my super bowl win last year.
"Quitter" is one of those wonderful words that often gets tossed out to vilify a player when the factual side of the argument is shaky.How many "tours of duty" does a good soldier need to do before he can get out without being labelled a quitter?
Yup. Can't wait to see the mass exodus in Washington after Albert Haynesworth got traded. They opened up a can of worms down there. They should have held their ground with the guy.'PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
As many as he signed up for. Noone forced him to sign the last contract.
They did hold their ground last year when he was complaining.
Ocho asked for trades and when he didn't get them, he came back and played. Palmer threatened the Bengals with retirement. There is a difference between asking your boss for a raise and telling your boss if you don't get a raise, you'll quit. Palmer was holding the Bengals hostage if you ask me. Now the tables are turned and I don't feel bad for him.'Terpman22 said:
