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Mike Hass Impresses at Saints Mini-Camp (1 Viewer)

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Rookie WR defies scouts

What Hass lacks in size, speed he makes up for with hands

Tuesday, May 16, 2006

By Jimmy Smith

Staff writer, The Times Picayune

Here's a brief scouting report.

The knock on him in college was his speed. Clock him with a sundial at times. But he always found a way to get open. And never dropped the ball.

That's what they said about Hall of Fame wide receiver Fred Biletnikoff when he came out of Florida State into the AFL with the Oakland Raiders.

And that's what they said about the Biletnikoff Award winner and Saints sixth-round draft choice Mike Hass of Oregon State.

Imagine that. The winner of the award given to the individual considered the best receiver in college football possessing the same characteristics as the man for whom the award is named.

"That's not a bad thing," Hass said Monday at the conclusion of the Saints' three-day rookie minicamp. "The guy's a Hall of Famer."

Thanks to the same gritty determination Hass has shown since he walked on as a freshman at Oregon State.

Practically unrecruited out of Jesuit High School in Portland, Ore.,just a shade over 6 feet (Biletnikoff was 6-1) and lacking in breakaway speed, Hass' innate ability to run routes, find an opening in the defense and catch the ball eventually won him a scholarship, first-team All-American honors and the Biletnikoff Award.

But his lack of ideal measurables at the national scouting combine in Indianapolis -- Hass didn't receive an invite to participate in the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. -- probably caused his draft stock to drop, despite the fact he led the nation last season with 1,532 receiving yards and had a 139.27 per-game average, becoming the first receiver in Pacific-10 history to gain more than 1,000 yards three times.

Hass ran 4.59 seconds in the 40-yard dash at the combine and had a vertical leap of 32 inches. At Oregon State's pro day, Hass dropped his 40 time to 4.56 and put up a 36 ½-inch vertical leap.

Through five practices with the Saints, Hass took the first steps toward debunking the stereotypical myths associated with NFL wide receivers who presumably lack speed.

"I tell you what he can do: He can really catch the ball. He's really impressed me," Saints receiver coach Curtis Johnson said Monday. "He's got a good feel for the game. And he's a little bit faster than I thought he would be. He's a tough kid. And smart. He's everything you ask for. He can get open. He can separate. He also showed that he can run by guys. I'm glad we got him. I didn't think he'd be around. But we're glad to have him.

"He's fast enough. From what I've seen so far, he's running by guys. I mean we've got some good guys. In football, if you know how to separate, speed is important, but it's not the most important thing. He's fast enough. And he's got exceptional hands. I've seen him make some catches today that I haven't seen in a while. Mike will find a way to catch the ball. That's what you need, guys who can catch. That's why they're wide receivers."

Hass was scheduled to return to Oregon State today to resume classes -- he's working toward a degree in civil engineering. NFL rules will prohibit him from participating in the Saints' June 2-4 minicamp because his class will not have yet graduated. Therefore he won't be able to expand on the progress he made until training camp commences July 27.

Nevertheless, what Hass has done thus far likely will stick in the coaches' minds for the next couple of months.

And Hass' underdog history, he said, will work in his favor.

"There's a lot of good players everywhere," Hass said. "You've got to prove yourself every day, especially being a sixth-round pick. You've got to work your way up, play some special teams, and make your mark that way. Make your way up the chart."

Regardless of what it says in the scouting report.

 
It's hard to take these mini-camp puff pieces very seriously.

Hass was a great college player. He has nice skills. Will he ever be more than a #3 or 4 WR in the NFL? Probably not.

 
It's hard to take these mini-camp puff pieces very seriously.
Shorts and t-shirts, no contact - every year the wide receivers are the stars. Not a lot of 6th round WRs putting up numbers in the NFL, but if I had to pick a guy to make it, Hass would be my pick.
 
It's hard to take these mini-camp puff pieces very seriously.

Hass was a great college player. He has nice skills. Will he ever be more than a #3 or 4 WR in the NFL? Probably not.
I wouldn't bet against him. The guy is the classic over achiever.Picked up Hass in the last round of my dynasty draft. The bad measurables and lack of visibility at Oregon State caused him to fly under the radar I guess. Pretty shocked to find him there in the 5th round. :shock:

Anyway, I was checking up on him and came across this article. With the recent rumor that Donte Stallworth might be on the trading block, I would definately keep an eye on him. Brees, being a new QB there, might start to favor guys that he can depend on and Hass can definately catch the rock. :thumbup:

 
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Is anyone keeping track of the "impressive" players at mini camp?

Hass could very easily have a Wayne Chrebet type career, which would be excellent value for the Saints or his FF ADP.

 
It's hard to take these mini-camp puff pieces very seriously.

Hass was a great college player. He has nice skills. Will he ever be more than a #3 or 4 WR in the NFL? Probably not.
I wouldn't bet against him. The guy is the classic over achiever.Picked up Hass in the last round of my dynasty draft. The bad measurables and lack of visibility at Oregon State caused him to fly under the radar I guess. Pretty shocked to find him there in the 5th round. :shock:

Anyway, I was checking up on him and came across this article. With the recent rumor that Donte Stallworth might be on the trading block, I would definately keep an eye on him. Brees, being a new QB there, might start to favor guys that he can depend on and Hass can definately catch the rock. :thumbup:
Everyone who's fortunate enough to get drafted has beaten the odds. That doesn't mean they're all going to be stars in the NFL. Hass is a decent player, but I don't think he's anything to get excited about. Each draft class brings us ten or fifteen guys with similar potential. Few of them ever amount to anything at the pro level.I always remind people that it takes a very special talent to make a lasting impact in the NFL. Hass has some skills, but nothing about him leads me to believe that he has the kind of rare talent needed to become a quality pro starter.

 
Uh oh, a white WR. Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.

 
Uh oh, a white WR. Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.
:bag: I honestly didn't even realize he was white.Don't forget Eddie Mac. ;)

 
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Uh oh, a white WR. Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.
:bag: I honestly didn't even realize he was white.Don't forget Eddie Mac. ;)
I left him and Bennett off the list because they're pretty wirey guys with long arms. They actually are different types of receivers.
 
It's hard to take these mini-camp puff pieces very seriously.

Hass was a great college player. He has nice skills. Will he ever be more than a #3 or 4 WR in the NFL? Probably not.
I think you misunderstand the article. I doubt the writer is attempting to indicate that he's showing enough skills to be a #1 receiver. I think he's saying that Hass has already impressed the coaches and has shown to be better than even the coaches who drafted him thought.If Hass ends up being a #3 on this team this year, it is a major suprise. If he ends up being a #3 at any point in his career, I think he's outperformed his draft position.

His future is as a #3 posession reciever. He's not a guy that will be asked to be a #1 or #2. But, if he makes a niche for himself there, he might be playing in the league for a while.

Chrebet is a great comparison, not because he's white, but because their size and skill set are very similar.

 
Hass reminds me of Ed McCaffrey. He isn't the fastest, but catches everything near him.

He could easily be a 1k per year guy in a couple years.

 
Uh oh, a white WR.  Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.
:bag: I honestly didn't even realize he was white.Don't forget Eddie Mac. ;)
I left him and Bennett off the list because they're pretty wirey guys with long arms. They actually are different types of receivers.
You forgot Brandon Stokely, Ricky Proehl, and Joe Jeruvicius. :towelwave: Anyway, I saw alot of Hass being a Pac-10 alumni (Arizona State). I always thought the guy was an awesome route runner and had a knack for getting open. I think that is what Cujo meant when he said Hass was "fast enough" and knew how to "separate". At 6'0, 208 lbs, he isn't a small receiver. I guess we will see, but I could see him as a WR3 in the short term or WR2 eventually in the mold of Eddie Mac.

 
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Just as an update, Chad Owens is again looking awesome in Jags mini-camp. He's an undersized slow white guy that works really hard and produces well beyond the athletic gifts with which he was blessed. He had amazing college production and has great ability to get open and has good hands.

Of course in the NFL he's most famous for muffing away the colts game last season and spending the rest of the season on the practice squad. But he looks awesome again in mini-camp this season. :thumbup:

 
I saw some video highlights and did some reading on him after the Pats met with him and seemed excited. I'm a bit surprised "we" didn't take him as he was available so late and there's a need for WRs. I figured there must be something they didn't like.

I'll be keeping an eye on him as we enter camp with 5000 TEs and could have probably better used a WR

 
Uh oh, a white WR.  Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.
:bag: I honestly didn't even realize he was white.Don't forget Eddie Mac. ;)
It's easy to tell. If he had been black, substitute "Jerry Rice" for "Fred Belitnikoff".
 
Uh oh, a white WR. Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.
:bag: I honestly didn't even realize he was white.Don't forget Eddie Mac. ;)
It's easy to tell. If he had been black, substitute "Jerry Rice" for "Fred Belitnikoff".
Thanks, so many 6th round WRs get compared to Rice.
 
It's hard to take these mini-camp puff pieces very seriously.
Shorts and t-shirts, no contact - every year the wide receivers are the stars. Not a lot of 6th round WRs putting up numbers in the NFL, but if I had to pick a guy to make it, Hass would be my pick.
I love these pieces because of the mis-information that they spread. Teams drafted these guys because they were impressed with thier skills. The news occurs when you see something about a guy not being impressive.Add RBs with speed also get a lot of overhype this time of the year.

 
Repeat after me:

IT'S ONLY PASSING CAMP. IT'S ONLY PASSING CAMP. IT'S ONLY PASSING CAMP

Nice to see he's doing well, but let's see the same reports the last week of August and we can start to make some evaluations that have significance.

 
Repeat after me:

IT'S ONLY PASSING CAMP. IT'S ONLY PASSING CAMP. IT'S ONLY PASSING CAMP

Nice to see he's doing well, but let's see the same reports the last week of August and we can start to make some evaluations that have significance.
I think you guys missed the point of this thread. I said KEEP AN EYE ON HIM. Tuck the name away in the memory banks. I not suggesting Joe Horn owners should be concerned. :rolleyes: And one other thing. August is often too late for dynasty owners. Evaluation and roster decisions come before training camp on "draft and stash" guys like this. Not everyone just participates in redraft fellas.

 
I think you guys missed the point of this thread. I said KEEP AN EYE ON HIM. Tuck the name away in the memory banks. I not suggesting Joe Horn owners should be concerned. :rolleyes:

And one other thing. August is often too late for dynasty owners. Evaluation and roster decisions come before training camp on "draft and stash" guys like this. Not everyone just participates in redraft fellas.
I understand what you are saying completely, and agree to a degree.However, no one knows how well he'll translate into the pros until we see him in pads, getting crushed by a SS, and then popping up, flipping the ref the ball, and returning to the huddle to do it all over again. Or not.

Passing camp is really a tough time to get a good read on anyone - unless it's a red flag that something is seriously amiss because a player is doing so poorly there.

 
Josh Reed also won the Biletnikof
I was thinking the exact same thing. Gee, WR that won the Biletnikof award, looked great in mini/training camp, got open despite not having great size/speed...
 
Repeat after me:

IT'S ONLY PASSING CAMP.  IT'S ONLY PASSING CAMP.  IT'S ONLY PASSING CAMP

Nice to see he's doing well, but let's see the same reports the last week of August and we can start to make some evaluations that have significance.
I think you guys missed the point of this thread. I said KEEP AN EYE ON HIM. Tuck the name away in the memory banks. I not suggesting Joe Horn owners should be concerned. :rolleyes: And one other thing. August is often too late for dynasty owners. Evaluation and roster decisions come before training camp on "draft and stash" guys like this. Not everyone just participates in redraft fellas.
:yes: :cry:
 
Uh oh, a white WR. Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.
Jurevicious
 
Uh oh, a white WR. Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.
Jurevicious
Not really similar, imo. Jurevicius is 6-5, 230. Hass is 6-0, 210. Hass is a very tough competitor. He likes sticking his nose in there and playing physical. He'll look for opportunities to block on every play. He's not fast, but he has good quicks in and out of his breaks, so he gets separation. He has freaky hands and catches everything. Despite not having long speed RAC ability is a strength. After catches he plants and bursts for yardage very quickly often getting separation before being tracked down. Best NFL comparison - Hines Ward. It's just a comparison of style, not a prediction. He also reminds me some of Keenan McCardell, which is interesting to me because of Brees.I scrolled through draft history and rosters last night just looking at sixth round WRs, and I'd guess about 10-20% of them make some impact. Maybe 5-10% become starters. Those numbers may be off. I wasn't doing detailed analysis, just getting an impression of others in his situation. It didn't discourage me. I think Hass is about as good a late pick as you can make in a dynasty draft this year. I hoped to get him at 5.04, but he went at 5.02.

 
Uh oh, a white WR. Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.
Jurevicious
Not really similar, imo. Jurevicius is 6-5, 230. Hass is 6-0, 210. Hass is a very tough competitor. He likes sticking his nose in there and playing physical. He'll look for opportunities to block on every play. He's not fast, but he has good quicks in and out of his breaks, so he gets separation. He has freaky hands and catches everything. Despite not having long speed RAC ability is a strength. After catches he plants and bursts for yardage very quickly often getting separation before being tracked down. Best NFL comparison - Hines Ward. It's just a comparison of style, not a prediction. He also reminds me some of Keenan McCardell, which is interesting to me because of Brees.I scrolled through draft history and rosters last night just looking at sixth round WRs, and I'd guess about 10-20% of them make some impact. Maybe 5-10% become starters. Those numbers may be off. I wasn't doing detailed analysis, just getting an impression of others in his situation. It didn't discourage me. I think Hass is about as good a late pick as you can make in a dynasty draft this year. I hoped to get him at 5.04, but he went at 5.02.
Hass is built a lot like Horn (who was undrafted out of college) and is close to the same speed. I think he's going to learn a lot from Horn and have a good chance of taking over for him when he retires.
 
http://blackandgold.net/site/modules.php?o...article&sid=896

In an exclusive interview with BlackAndGold.net, Oregon State wide receivers’ coach Lee Hull discusses why he believes the Saints (with its selection of Mike Hass) wound up with the 2006 draft’s best wide receiver.

B&G.net: Coach Hull, thank you for taking the time to give us your perspective on Mike Hass.

Coach Hull: My pleasure; glad to talk with you.

B&G.net: Coach Hull, one of the biggest stories in Saints’ camp is the play of Mike Hass. He’s turning heads, and is getting rave reviews. So let’s get right to the question on the minds of many Saints’ fans... why do you think Mike Hass fell so low in the 2006 draft?

Coach Hull: The NFL scouts, the media, and sports blogs have made “speed” the mother of all trump cards in mock draft placement. I mean, are times of 4.49 and 4.57 “light years” apart? So I guess those who are into the numbers (in Mike’s case, less than 0.1 of a second) let that overshadow many other factors that make a wide receiver exceptional.

If you check the record, Mike Hass actually had a FASTER time in the 40 than Jerry Rice (arguably the greatest WR in NFL history). And when you get right down to it, a player in the NFL is measured at how fast his GAME SPEED is. Hall of Famer Steve Largent (in his day) racked up his numbers vs. some of the fastest players in the NFL. We also know of players today who aren’t the absolute fastest, yet are getting the job done year-after-year: Wayne Chrebet, Anquan Boldin, Ricky Proehl, Hines Ward and others.

But back to your question: Mike Hass fell victim to the politics of only one factor –the timed 40. But if you look at the other 90% of the things you want in a receiver, he was the best in the country. He runs a very disciplined rout ofcan catch the ball consistently, and has football speed IN PADS. His career numbers (especially last season) say it all.

B&G.net: You mentioned defenders trying to intimidate him. Could you explain?

Coach Hull: I know there are NFL receivers who trash talk with the secondary. But Mike isn’t confrontational. However, he uses it to motivate him. For instance, Mike was usually lined up opposite the opponent’s #1 corner. That guy would often laugh and talk about how “I’m going to shut down this slow white boy today.” To put it bluntly, guys would sometimes try to “punk him off his game.” Yet, time-after-time Mike would “do his thing” anyway, and wind up with 9 or 10 catches and 100+ yards receiving for the game.

B&G.net: What was the most amazing performance in a game you’ve seen with Mike Hass?

Coach Hull: Two stand out (both last year). The first would be vs. Louisville. They had one of the top corners in the country covering him, yet Mike stepped up his game and had 11 catches for 100+ yards on the day. The other would be vs. Boise State. Mike had nearly 300 yards receiving (293) on 11 receptions to go along with 2 TD’s. That performance set a new Pac-10 record.

B&G.net: What other things does Hass have in his package that allowed him to be selected for the Bilitnikoff award; what separates him from ordinary wide receivers?

Coach Hull: Mike doesn’t take a play off. I guess the best illustration of this is when we were being blown out of a game (last year we had 3 games where the opponent scored 50 or more). In those cases, some players might take the attitude “what’s the use?” Not with Mike; he continues to give it his all each and every play.

Now let’s look at his numbers. He came here at Oregon State sort of with a chip on his shoulder because he was a walk-on player; he didn’t have a scholarship. Yet, when his career was over, he was the FIRST player in Pac-10 history to have 3-consecutive 1000 yd. seasons (2003-2005). Another player (Darian Hagin, from Arizona State) also got his 3rd consecutive 1000-yd. season last year. But Mike reached the 1000 yd. mark two games sooner.

In 2003, Mike passed the 1000 yard mark with only 44 catches. The following year, teams zeroed-in on him, determined to shut him down, but he still got over 1000 yards. Last year, teams wanted to jam Mike at the line and intimidate him. The result? A Pac-10 record for single season yards (over 1500) on 90 catches.

Another thing is his TOUGHNESS; he has no fear. I remember a game vs. Arizona State where he was exposed across the middlefand a defender hit him helmet-to-helmet. Well, Mike caught the ball. And he was a marked man because opponents’ game plan had him identified. That means he was often double covered (and sometimes triple covered with a linebacker underneath). Yet, Mike still ran effective rout s, got separation, and made the tough catches week-after-week. And I guess by now Saints fans and coaches have seen that it’s a rare thing for him to drop the ball.

If the game is on the line, and you need a big catch, you’re at the advantage when you’re throwing it to Mike Hass. Again, I feel the Saints got the best receiver in the nation.

B&G.net: Coach, you know that no matter how talented a player is in college, there isn't a guarantee that he'll be a starter right away. That said, how would Mike Hass perform if he had to earn a spot on Special Teams?

Coach Hull: Well, I really haven't given that much thought. But you're right; he may have to work his way into the starting lineup. If he has to play a role on Special Teams, he'll give it 110%, and not take a play off. He's fundamentally sound, and would find a way to make a play. His blocking techniques are excellent, and he's a sure tackler (...I've seen him stop a few sure TD's by tackling a defender after the INT). I think he'd be O.K. in that role. But if you ask me, if they give him a legitimate shot, he'll no doubt make the team!

B&G.net: What can you say about Mike Hass, “the man?”

Coach Hull: He’s simply a great human being! Mike comes from a great family, and he often gives selflessly to others. He volunteered in community outreach projects, and is very loyal and faithful to anything he’s a part of. As far as off-the-field behavior, Mike Hass does not get involved in anything that would embarrass himves , his family or his team.

I’m not going to “volunteer” Mike Hass for anything, especially in the areas ravaged by Hurricane Katrina. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get involved in some way in the New Orleans/Gulf Coast community right away.

Another think about him is his dedication to the task at hand. Mike routinely studied game film. And even though he was already an excellent player, he’d say ‘Coach, what do I need to do to bring my game up to another level?’ And he wouldn't just give lip-service, he'd go out and work on it! Mike Hass is a dedicated player, a solid teammate, and a wonderful person! He also has a great sense of humor.

B&G.net: What do you see ahead for the Saints this season?

Coach Hull: I tell you, the Saints have made a serious upgrade over last year. A big pickup which is as (if not more) important than Reggie Bush …was picking up Drew Brees. That guy is a leader, and the Saints will see it early on. I’ve already said that you had an all-time NFL draft heist by getting the #1 receiver in the nation in Mike Hass. So to go along with Brees, Bush, Hass, and improvements elsewhere (up and down your roster), I see the Saints as a contender right away. If you press me for number of wins, I’d venture to say 10+; is that bold enough? (chuckle from both)

B&G.net: Coach Hull we wish all the best to the Oregon State Beavers this season. And on behalf of BlackAndGold.net and Saints fans everywhere, thank you for giving us your take on Mike Hass.

Coach Hull: You’re welcome; thanks for having me on. And good luck with the Saints this year.
 
Not really similar, imo. Jurevicius is 6-5, 230. Hass is 6-0, 210. Hass is a very tough competitor. He likes sticking his nose in there and playing physical. He'll look for opportunities to block on every play. He's not fast, but he has good quicks in and out of his breaks, so he gets separation. He has freaky hands and catches everything. Despite not having long speed RAC ability is a strength. After catches he plants and bursts for yardage very quickly often getting separation before being tracked down. Best NFL comparison - Hines Ward. It's just a comparison of style, not a prediction. He also reminds me some of Keenan McCardell, which is interesting to me because of Brees.

I scrolled through draft history and rosters last night just looking at sixth round WRs, and I'd guess about 10-20% of them make some impact. Maybe 5-10% become starters. Those numbers may be off. I wasn't doing detailed analysis, just getting an impression of others in his situation. It didn't discourage me. I think Hass is about as good a late pick as you can make in a dynasty draft this year. I hoped to get him at 5.04, but he went at 5.02.
totally agree with the Ward comparison. Ive seen him go in the late 3rd in some rookie drafts. He's the most technically advanced WR in the draft this year, and it shocked me that he fell so far.
 
Uh oh, a white WR. Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.
Jurevicious
Not really similar, imo. Jurevicius is 6-5, 230. Hass is 6-0, 210. Hass is a very tough competitor. He likes sticking his nose in there and playing physical. He'll look for opportunities to block on every play. He's not fast, but he has good quicks in and out of his breaks, so he gets separation. He has freaky hands and catches everything. Despite not having long speed RAC ability is a strength. After catches he plants and bursts for yardage very quickly often getting separation before being tracked down. Best NFL comparison - Hines Ward. It's just a comparison of style, not a prediction. He also reminds me some of Keenan McCardell, which is interesting to me because of Brees.I scrolled through draft history and rosters last night just looking at sixth round WRs, and I'd guess about 10-20% of them make some impact. Maybe 5-10% become starters. Those numbers may be off. I wasn't doing detailed analysis, just getting an impression of others in his situation. It didn't discourage me. I think Hass is about as good a late pick as you can make in a dynasty draft this year. I hoped to get him at 5.04, but he went at 5.02.
Hass is built a lot like Horn (who was undrafted out of college) and is close to the same speed. I think he's going to learn a lot from Horn and have a good chance of taking over for him when he retires.
Joe Horn was drafted by the Chiefs out of Itawamba JC and could fly when he came out of college IIRC. Chris Horn was undrafted, but is nowhere near retirement ...
 
Underrated

Hass – Like I said earlier, Hass would probably be successful at any level. He’s not going to wow you when you look at him but he’s one of those guys that just understands how to play the game of football and is very comfortable on the field. Hass doesn’t have great speed but his ability to get open negates that. He’s a very reliable receiver who knows how to find the soft spot in the zone or beat one-on-one coverage. While his straight-line speed isn’t great, he’s extremely quick out of his breaks. His ability to run crisp routes really makes Hass a tough guy to cover. Probably won’t be a star but should have a long, productive NFL career.
Saw highlights of this guy at the combine on the NFL Network and he looked fantastic...especially in the cross field reception test...straight line, great hands, solid catches away from the body...I haven't been hearing much about him, so I figured there must be something missing from his game...but in a small sample he looked great as a later round talent, posession receiver...
Draft talk on WEEI today...not sure who it is that they have one speaking about it, but he said the people in Foxboro are "very aware of Hass' talents"...his 40 time appears to be hurting his status, but he holds all kinds of college records and would be a great possession receiver...
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...dpost&p=4697215http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...dpost&p=4726678

:banned:

 
If the guy is 6'0 and a terrific route runner, I fail to see the comparison to Chrebet. Chrebet was short and a horrible route runner. Hass also sounds a bit faster than Chrebet.

 
I guess the best illustration of this is when we were being blown out of a game (last year we had 3 games where the opponent scored 50 or more). In those cases, some players might take the attitude “what’s the use?” Not with Mike; he continues to give it his all each and every play.
Looks like a great fit for the Saints.

 
Uh oh, a white WR. Let's break out the key terms...

-hard worker

-not the fastest

-not the strongest

-not the biggest

-possession receiver

-Reminds me of: Wayne Chrebet, Tom Waddle, Dane Looker, Steve Largent, et. al.
Jurevicious
Not really similar, imo. Jurevicius is 6-5, 230. Hass is 6-0, 210. Hass is a very tough competitor. He likes sticking his nose in there and playing physical. He'll look for opportunities to block on every play. He's not fast, but he has good quicks in and out of his breaks, so he gets separation. He has freaky hands and catches everything. Despite not having long speed RAC ability is a strength. After catches he plants and bursts for yardage very quickly often getting separation before being tracked down. Best NFL comparison - Hines Ward. It's just a comparison of style, not a prediction. He also reminds me some of Keenan McCardell, which is interesting to me because of Brees.I scrolled through draft history and rosters last night just looking at sixth round WRs, and I'd guess about 10-20% of them make some impact. Maybe 5-10% become starters. Those numbers may be off. I wasn't doing detailed analysis, just getting an impression of others in his situation. It didn't discourage me. I think Hass is about as good a late pick as you can make in a dynasty draft this year. I hoped to get him at 5.04, but he went at 5.02.
Hass is built a lot like Horn (who was undrafted out of college) and is close to the same speed. I think he's going to learn a lot from Horn and have a good chance of taking over for him when he retires.
Joe Horn was drafted by the Chiefs out of Itawamba JC and could fly when he came out of college IIRC. Chris Horn was undrafted, but is nowhere near retirement ...
Horn played two years of collegiate football (1991-1992) at Itawamba Junior College in Fulton, Mississippi. He returned to Fayetteville after achieving little success at Itawamba and worked at a Bojangles' restaurant with his mom. According to an NFL films interview, he only had six dollars, but decided to purchase a Jerry Rice workout video tape for 3.99 at a local Blockbuster. He then proceeded to work out in Fayetteville and made a highlight film with some colorful music which he sent to various teams. Memphis Mad Dogs coach, Pepper Rodgers, got this tape and offered Horn a contract. He was signed by the Memphis Mad Dogs of the Canadian Football League for the 1995 season, where he led his team in receptions (71) and receiving yards (1414).

Horn was drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs in the fifth round of the 1996 NFL draft.
Also, I've never heard that Horn (yes, Joe) was known for his speed. Here's what MT wrote in his player spotlight:
Horn has never had topflight raw speed - and, entering his ninth season, he has less now than he used to - but he has exceptional quickness and a flair for making big plays.
 
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