Mike McCarthy new Packers head coach (1 Viewer)

[metsjets91]

Apparently, the Packers have hired former 49er offensive cordinator, Mike McCarthy, to be their next coach. Why the hell would they do this. Were talking about a guy whos rookie qb threw no tds. Good luck on him developing Aaron Rodgers. His runnig back Kevan Barlow, who was supposed to be great, has had one 1000 yard rushing season in his career, and he had only 1024 yards that year. Their are much better coaches out there. They shouldn't have fired Sherman in the first place, and they are already going in the wrong direction. Your thoughts.

 

[azcards33]

Now that the Packers hired McCarthy, who are they going to select with the #1 overall pick in the draft next season?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Why? I'll give you some darn good reasons...1. He just led the 32nd ranked offense in the league last year!2. He was responsible for the development of AARON BROOKS!3. He worked with Brett Favre in 1999, even though Ron Wolf doesn't remember him.What other reasons do you need?

 

[Balco]

If this is true, I will be very dissapointed. Not because I think McArthey will fail (actually it's nice to see NFL teams give shots to new coaches as opposed to recycling unsuccessful head coaches), but because I really like Jim Bates. The guy did a very respectable job when Wannstedt was fired from the Dolphins, and despite having one of the worst talent levels on defense in the NFL last year, he made the PAck D respectable.

 

[XtianTKE]

Now that the Packers hired McCarthy, who are they going to select with the #1 overall pick in the draft next season?

Packers will trade their #1 pick to the Saints for Aaron Brooks!!!!!

 

[XtianTKE]

Now that the Packers hired McCarthy, who are they going to select with the #1 overall pick in the draft next season?

Packers will trade their #1 pick to the Saints for Aaron Brooks!!!!!

 

[imeimex]

Signing McCarthy and paying Sherman 6.5 million to coach elsewhere does not make a lot of sense. As a Deuce McAllister owner in dynasty leagues, I can remember how happy I was that McCarthy would be gone this year, it didn't work out to well for me this season, but I got pretty tired of watching Deuce run his two yard dives with nothing ever going outside.

 

[packersfan]

3. He worked with Brett Favre in 1999, even though Ron Wolf doesn't remember him.

And some of the assistants who have worked with McCarthy who I've seen interviewed, while being extremely complimentary, appear very surprised he got a head coaching job.

 

[metsjets91]

Why? I'll give you some darn good reasons...

1. He just led the 32nd ranked offense in the league last year!

2. He was responsible for the development of AARON BROOKS!

3. He worked with Brett Favre in 1999, even though Ron Wolf doesn't remember him.

What other reasons do you need?

There is no excuse for letting your qb throw 1 td 10 games. He is responsible for the development of Aaron Brooks. All hes done is be the worst decision maker in the NFL. In his last 5 years, he averages 16 ints. As for Farve, u think McCarthy has anything to do with his success. Good luck with Aaron Rodgers.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Hey now - Brooks has done things no other QB has ever done - he said so himself This will be the most popular coaching hiring until the Jets hire Haslett )-QG

 

[azcards33]

Wasn't this guy resposible for tutoring a young Cody Pickett, who completed exactly 1 pass in a game for the Niners against Chicago this season?

Chicago QB Kyle Orton was just 8-of-13 for 67 yards and an interception, while Cody Pickett of the Niners was just 1-of-13 for 28 yards and an INT.

 

[metsjets91]

Wasn't this guy resposible for tutoring a young Cody Pickett, who completed exactly 1 pass in a game for the Niners against Chicago this season

thanks for proving my pointj

 

[MrPack]

Is this the thread where the ignorant posters post?Oooooops, I clicked the wrong thread.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Why? I'll give you some darn good reasons...

1. He just led the 32nd ranked offense in the league last year!

2. He was responsible for the development of AARON BROOKS!

3. He worked with Brett Favre in 1999, even though Ron Wolf doesn't remember him.

What other reasons do you need?

There is no excuse for letting your qb throw 1 td 10 games. He is responsible for the development of Aaron Brooks. All hes done is be the worst decision maker in the NFL. In his last 5 years, he averages 16 ints. As for Farve, u think McCarthy has anything to do with his success. Good luck with Aaron Rodgers.

Someone bring the pliers...

 

[metsjets91]

Wasn't this guy resposible for tutoring a young Cody Pickett, who completed exactly 1 pass in a game for the Niners against Chicago this season

good point. its obvious he cant teach young qbs.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

If, IF, the hiring was done because he is one of Brett's "cronies" or someone he liked/choose, then that organization is doing a disservice to their fans. And frankly, I don't know how you couldn't think that's why they hired him. Horrible hire.

 

[MrPack]

If, IF, the hiring was done because he is one of Brett's "cronies" or someone he liked/choose, then that organization is doing a disservice to their fans. And frankly, I don't know how you couldn't think that's why they hired him. Horrible hire.

 

[trader jake]

apparently? IIIIIIIJ

 

[metsjets91]

If, IF, the hiring was done because he is one of Brett's "cronies" or someone he liked/choose, then that organization is doing a disservice to their fans. And frankly, I don't know how you couldn't think that's why they hired him. Horrible

not only do they like what he did with farev but for some reason, wwhat he did with Brooks

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

I contend it's a SPECTACULAR HIRE!Now all we need is Russ Grimm in Detroit with his '91 Skins teammate Matt Millen

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Why? I'll give you some darn good reasons...

1. He just led the 32nd ranked offense in the league last year!

2. He was responsible for the development of AARON BROOKS!

3. He worked with Brett Favre in 1999, even though Ron Wolf doesn't remember him.

What other reasons do you need?

I'm sensing some skepticism here.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Why?  I'll give you some darn good reasons...

1. He just led the 32nd ranked offense in the league last year!

2. He was responsible for the development of AARON BROOKS!

3. He worked with Brett Favre in 1999, even though Ron Wolf doesn't remember him.

What other reasons do you need?

I'm sensing some skepticism here.

A hair....

 

[Capella]

Packer fans > you can't really want this guy over Sherman, can you?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Packer fans > you can't really want this guy over Sherman, can you?

Doesn't matter what we want. Sherman's time was done. He was a horrible big game coach, way too laid back, not a good play caller (nor was his OC,) and he was so power hungry that many of his assistant coaches left for worse jobs. It was time for Sherman to go.Thompson's first draft was a good one. I'll defer to him on this hire, and we'll see how it works out.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Packer fans > you can't really want this guy over Sherman, can you?

 

[Power Monster]

He he he this is great- as a Bear fan- The Pack, Vikings and the Lions are all in shambles! The Bears are young and getting stronger and that yo yo Angelo is finally pulling his head out of his ###. About to get some much needed playoff experience while these chumps are hiring peanut vendors. I love it!

 

[sho nuff]

Please tell me this is If not...I weep for the future of this country with the ignorance in this thread.

 

[Pipes]

Packer fans > you can't really want this guy over Sherman, can you?

I'd take just about anyone over Sherman. Sherman sucks! If he was a decent coach wouldn't some team with a coaching vacancy snap him up immediately, especially with this shallow coaching pool? I don't think Sherman's even gotten so much as an interview from anyone.

 

[Hamstring]

Packer fans > you can't really want this guy over Sherman, can you?

Doesn't matter what we want. Sherman's time was done. He was a horrible big game coach, way too laid back, not a good play caller (nor was his OC,) and he was so power hungry that many of his assistant coaches left for worse jobs. It was time for Sherman to go.Thompson's first draft was a good one. I'll defer to him on this hire, and we'll see how it works out.

That wasn't the question. I would rather have Sherman, he had 1 bad year? This division is falling apart liek it did in the 80's when the Bears were kings. And they are now.

 

[sho nuff]

Packer fans > you can't really want this guy over Sherman, can you?

Doesn't matter what we want. Sherman's time was done. He was a horrible big game coach, way too laid back, not a good play caller (nor was his OC,) and he was so power hungry that many of his assistant coaches left for worse jobs. It was time for Sherman to go.Thompson's first draft was a good one. I'll defer to him on this hire, and we'll see how it works out.

That wasn't the question. I would rather have Sherman, he had 1 bad year? This division is falling apart liek it did in the 80's when the Bears were kings. And they are now.

He had more than one bad year...sure the record was there...but with the talent the team had, there should have been longer runs in the playoffs and possibly a SB appears...many of the losses you can look back and see exactly where the coaching errors occurred...that and he killed the team with his work as GM. He was a poor game coach...lost playoff games at home...always had a different scapegoat...and by all accounts of assistants that left Green Bay...he hated being challenged...

 

[Capella]

I just don't see how you guys can step on him for one bad year, after what? Four very good years in a row? That's the problem with the NFL and their fans nowadays -- what have you done for me lately. Yeah, he didn't get you a SB and he may have made some dumb calls -- but show me a coach that hasn't. The plus side was that he always had the team winning 10+ games and in the playoffs, except for this year when lots of things fell apart.Hell, Gruden made quite a few bad calls the other day and I wouldn't trade him for any coach in the league outside of the fellow in Boston. He also was coming off of back to back losing seasons. But look what happened this year...NFL fans in general just need a ton more patience. It's pretty ridiculous. You guys basically traded in an established, winning coach for some no-name that hasn't proven a thing. Pretty dumb.

 

[FFFIEND]

Why? I'll give you some darn good reasons...

1. He just led the 32nd ranked offense in the league last year!

2. He was responsible for the development of AARON BROOKS!

3. He worked with Brett Favre in 1999, even though Ron Wolf doesn't remember him.

What other reasons do you need?

excellent post!I had better get ready for my top GB selections in 2006.

1st round: Sam Gado

2nd round: Brett "what do you mean I am only supposed to throw to the guys with G's on the helmets" Favre

 

[mozzy84]

Packer fans > you can't really want this guy over Sherman, can you?

Doesn't matter what we want. Sherman's time was done. He was a horrible big game coach, way too laid back, not a good play caller (nor was his OC,) and he was so power hungry that many of his assistant coaches left for worse jobs. It was time for Sherman to go.Thompson's first draft was a good one. I'll defer to him on this hire, and we'll see how it works out.

That wasn't the question. I would rather have Sherman, he had 1 bad year? This division is falling apart liek it did in the 80's when the Bears were kings. And they are now.

He had more than one bad year...sure the record was there...but with the talent the team had, there should have been longer runs in the playoffs and possibly a SB appears...many of the losses you can look back and see exactly where the coaching errors occurred...that and he killed the team with his work as GM. He was a poor game coach...lost playoff games at home...always had a different scapegoat...and by all accounts of assistants that left Green Bay...he hated being challenged...

maybe if fav-re would throw to the right team in the playoffs Sherman would still have a job.

 

[MrPack]

I just don't see how you guys can step on him for one bad year, after what? Four very good years in a row?

That's the problem with the NFL and their fans nowadays -- what have you done for me lately. Yeah, he didn't get you a SB and he may have made some dumb calls -- but show me a coach that hasn't.

The plus side was that he always had the team winning 10+ games and in the playoffs, except for this year when lots of things fell apart.

Hell, Gruden made quite a few bad calls the other day and I wouldn't trade him for any coach in the league outside of the fellow in Boston. He also was coming off of back to back losing seasons. But look what happened this year...

NFL fans in general just need a ton more patience. It's pretty ridiculous. You guys basically traded in an established, winning coach for some no-name that hasn't proven a thing. Pretty dumb.

 

[Capella]

I just don't see how you guys can step on him for one bad year, after what? Four very good years in a row?

That's the problem with the NFL and their fans nowadays -- what have you done for me lately. Yeah, he didn't get you a SB and he may have made some dumb calls -- but show me a coach that hasn't.

The plus side was that he always had the team winning 10+ games and in the playoffs, except for this year when lots of things fell apart.

Hell, Gruden made quite a few bad calls the other day and I wouldn't trade him for any coach in the league outside of the fellow in Boston. He also was coming off of back to back losing seasons. But look what happened this year...

NFL fans in general just need a ton more patience. It's pretty ridiculous. You guys basically traded in an established, winning coach for some no-name that hasn't proven a thing. Pretty dumb.

I'm not seeing the genius in this move here -- explain it to me like I was a homer Packer fan.

 

[packersfan]

Sherman had to go. There are a multitude of reasons (listed in just about any thread about him or the Packers situation created in recent weeks) that explained why and they went far deeper than one poor season. There was no mistake made in terms of firing Sherman.What remains to be seen is whether McCarthy was the right guy to replace him.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I just don't see how you guys can step on him for one bad year, after what? Four very good years in a row?

That's the problem with the NFL and their fans nowadays -- what have you done for me lately. Yeah, he didn't get you a SB and he may have made some dumb calls -- but show me a coach that hasn't.

The plus side was that he always had the team winning 10+ games and in the playoffs, except for this year when lots of things fell apart.

Hell, Gruden made quite a few bad calls the other day and I wouldn't trade him for any coach in the league outside of the fellow in Boston. He also was coming off of back to back losing seasons. But look what happened this year...

NFL fans in general just need a ton more patience. It's pretty ridiculous. You guys basically traded in an established, winning coach for some no-name that hasn't proven a thing. Pretty dumb.

I'm not seeing the genius in this move here -- explain it to me like I was a homer Packer fan.

First thing. No one here, that I see, is saying McCarthy is the savior.What we're saying is the Sherman's time was up. There is/was a reason many of his assistant coaches left for worse situations. The reason is, they weren't Sherman "yes" men. Sherman surrounded himself with his buddies, and any coach that challenged him was told to butt out. Seriously. Many of those who have left have said as much. That right there is enough for me to believe it was time for him to move on.

And it isn't hard to believe considering he did the same thing as GM. In 2004, he didn't allow any of his scouts in the war room on draft day, essentially choosing to make every decision himself without being challenged. That's the guy's style.

To me, Sherman's time was up, and the jury is out on McCarthy. I'm willing to give him time.

 

[Capella]

What we're saying is the Sherman's time was up. There is/was a reason many of his assistant coaches left for worse situations. The reason is, they weren't Sherman "yes" men. Sherman surrounded himself with his buddies, and any coach that challenged him was told to butt out. Seriously. Many of those who have left have said as much. That right there is enough for me to believe it was time for him to move on.

And it isn't hard to believe considering he did the same thing as GM. In 2004, he didn't allow any of his scouts in the war room on draft day, essentially choosing to make every decision himself without being challenged. That's the guy's style.

To me, Sherman's time was up, and the jury is out on McCarthy. I'm willing to give him time.

So what? Before this year, he was winning. A lot. None of this other stuff matters.

 

[packersfan]

What we're saying is the Sherman's time was up. There is/was a reason many of his assistant coaches left for worse situations. The reason is, they weren't Sherman "yes" men. Sherman surrounded himself with his buddies, and any coach that challenged him was told to butt out. Seriously. Many of those who have left have said as much. That right there is enough for me to believe it was time for him to move on.

And it isn't hard to believe considering he did the same thing as GM. In 2004, he didn't allow any of his scouts in the war room on draft day, essentially choosing to make every decision himself without being challenged. That's the guy's style.

To me, Sherman's time was up, and the jury is out on McCarthy. I'm willing to give him time.

So what? Before this year, he was winning. A lot. None of this other stuff matters.

Before this year, he had begun having problems winning at Lambeau Field. He also has proven to be a horrible coach in the playoffs and a strong argument can be made that he failed to maximize the team's talent level (that was especially true in 2003 when poor coaching cost the team a legitimate chance to reach the Super Bowl). Were it not for a great individual play by Al Harris, he may have had only one playoff victory to his credit. The other stuff does matter when you have assistants who don't want to be here and players who don't want to be here (the Mike McKenzie situation comes to mind). When you start losing talented people because your head coach has issues that creates a problem.And as a Tampa Bay fan I'd expect you of all people to realize that sometimes W-L records aren't always enough. Or do you think the Bucs made a mistake in firing Tony Dungy?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

What we're saying is the Sherman's time was up. There is/was a reason many of his assistant coaches left for worse situations. The reason is, they weren't Sherman "yes" men. Sherman surrounded himself with his buddies, and any coach that challenged him was told to butt out. Seriously. Many of those who have left have said as much. That right there is enough for me to believe it was time for him to move on.

And it isn't hard to believe considering he did the same thing as GM. In 2004, he didn't allow any of his scouts in the war room on draft day, essentially choosing to make every decision himself without being challenged. That's the guy's style.

To me, Sherman's time was up, and the jury is out on McCarthy. I'm willing to give him time.

So what? Before this year, he was winning. A lot. None of this other stuff matters.

The other stuff does matter when you have assistants who don't want to be here and players who don't want to be here (the Mike McKenzie situation comes to mind). When you start losing talented people because your head coach has issues that creates a problem.

Exactly. How many players has Sherman run out? He runs off a guy like Mike McKenzie, yet can't seem to find a way to part ways with Cletidus Hunt? Doesn't make any sense. His 'guys' are always his guys, and more talented players and coaches have been alienated. Sherman wore out his welcome with a lot of people, including Ted Thompson.

 

[Capella]

And as a Tampa Bay fan I'd expect you of all people to realize that sometimes W-L records aren't always enough. Or do you think the Bucs made a mistake in firing Tony Dungy?

The difference here is, the Bucs replaced Dungy with an as good, or better coach.If they took a step backwards with their hire, I'd have been irate.

 

[packersfan]

And as a Tampa Bay fan I'd expect you of all people to realize that sometimes W-L records aren't always enough. Or do you think the Bucs made a mistake in firing Tony Dungy?

The difference here is, the Bucs replaced Dungy with an as good, or better coach.

Agreed. But while I'm not doing cartwheels over the McCarthy hire the fact is we don't know if he'll be an upgrade, a downgrade or a wash with Sherman. Jury's still out.

If they took a step backwards with their hire, I'd have been irate.

And plenty of Packer fans will be should that prove to be the case. Again, I'm not giddy about the choice but I think it's extremely foolish to automatically assume McCarthy is going to fail.

 

[Capella]

I don't assume McCarthy is going to fail -- but I do know Sherman won quite a bit of games in his time there, so it's going to be an awfully tall task for this guy to do any better.Honestly, I think it's a mistake to even take the job. People there don't seem to be content with 10-11 win seasons, and your franchise QB isn't going to be around all that much longer.

 

[packersfan]

I don't assume McCarthy is going to fail -- but I do know Sherman won quite a bit of games in his time there, so it's going to be an awfully tall task for this guy to do any better.

If you watched Sherman on a consistent basis and are aware of all of the issues that were going on with him as a head coach you'd realize the bar hasn't been set as high as you assume.

Honestly, I think it's a mistake to even take the job. People there don't seem to be content with 10-11 win seasons, and your franchise QB isn't going to be around all that much longer.

Again, that isn't the case at all -- with the exception of the point about Favre.

 

[KingPrawn]

I don't assume McCarthy is going to fail -- but I do know Sherman won quite a bit of games in his time there, so it's going to be an awfully tall task for this guy to do any better.

With Sherman as coach next year you were loking at another 4-12 season. He needed to go. The players had become too comfortable with him. He showed no emotion or fire and the players knew this.

 

[sho nuff]

I just don't see how you guys can step on him for one bad year, after what? Four very good years in a row?

That's the problem with the NFL and their fans nowadays -- what have you done for me lately. Yeah, he didn't get you a SB and he may have made some dumb calls -- but show me a coach that hasn't.

The plus side was that he always had the team winning 10+ games and in the playoffs, except for this year when lots of things fell apart.

Hell, Gruden made quite a few bad calls the other day and I wouldn't trade him for any coach in the league outside of the fellow in Boston. He also was coming off of back to back losing seasons. But look what happened this year...

NFL fans in general just need a ton more patience. It's pretty ridiculous. You guys basically traded in an established, winning coach for some no-name that hasn't proven a thing. Pretty dumb.

Again...it is not just the one bad year...it is a combination of so many things.It is the part of the current Packers...we do not want to settle for mediocrity and that is all Sherman was bringing us.

 

[sho nuff]

Packer fans > you can't really want this guy over Sherman, can you?

Doesn't matter what we want. Sherman's time was done. He was a horrible big game coach, way too laid back, not a good play caller (nor was his OC,) and he was so power hungry that many of his assistant coaches left for worse jobs. It was time for Sherman to go.Thompson's first draft was a good one. I'll defer to him on this hire, and we'll see how it works out.

That wasn't the question. I would rather have Sherman, he had 1 bad year? This division is falling apart liek it did in the 80's when the Bears were kings. And they are now.

He had more than one bad year...sure the record was there...but with the talent the team had, there should have been longer runs in the playoffs and possibly a SB appears...many of the losses you can look back and see exactly where the coaching errors occurred...that and he killed the team with his work as GM. He was a poor game coach...lost playoff games at home...always had a different scapegoat...and by all accounts of assistants that left Green Bay...he hated being challenged...

maybe if fav-re would throw to the right team in the playoffs Sherman would still have a job.

Yawn...

 

[sho nuff]

What we're saying is the Sherman's time was up. There is/was a reason many of his assistant coaches left for worse situations. The reason is, they weren't Sherman "yes" men. Sherman surrounded himself with his buddies, and any coach that challenged him was told to butt out. Seriously. Many of those who have left have said as much. That right there is enough for me to believe it was time for him to move on.

And it isn't hard to believe considering he did the same thing as GM. In 2004, he didn't allow any of his scouts in the war room on draft day, essentially choosing to make every decision himself without being challenged. That's the guy's style.

To me, Sherman's time was up, and the jury is out on McCarthy. I'm willing to give him time.

So what? Before this year, he was winning. A lot. None of this other stuff matters.

I think the Packers were winning despite Sherman...They were winning because they had a superior Oline...because they had Brett Favre, and Ahman Green.

 

[sho nuff]

And as a Tampa Bay fan I'd expect you of all people to realize that sometimes W-L records aren't always enough. Or do you think the Bucs made a mistake in firing Tony Dungy?

The difference here is, the Bucs replaced Dungy with an as good, or better coach.If they took a step backwards with their hire, I'd have been irate.

Who is to say McCarthy will not be better?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

And as a Tampa Bay fan I'd expect you of all people to realize that sometimes W-L records aren't always enough. Or do you think the Bucs made a mistake in firing Tony Dungy?

The difference here is, the Bucs replaced Dungy with an as good, or better coach.If they took a step backwards with their hire, I'd have been irate.

Who is to say McCarthy will not be better?

Well now I'm on board.