Mike Vick press conference (1 Viewer)

[Keith Lewis]

 

[Mimo]

I see probation to 6 months in the case. Vick's demeanor was different walking in the courtroom today than it was in July. IMO, with all that has been taken away, contracts, etc. he has suffered enough and the judge will take this into consideration.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

1. "I would like to apologize to the fantasy community that have wrapped up keeper and dynasty slots for me over the years."

2. "I would like to apologize to the entire world for mistreating and abusing animals. I realize now what I did was wrong and I would like to when I am released from prison, to start an animal rights group and put an end to dogfighting in this country."

3. "I would like to apologize to the fans of the Atlanta Falcons who have supported me with 53 straight sellouts at home."

4. "I would like to apologize to Arthur Blank and to Roger Goodell who I lied to."

5. "I would like to apologize to Nike and all the companies I have made tens of millions with in endorsements over the years."

6. "I would like to apologize to the people of New Orleans as I started the whole Hurricane uptick over the past several years."

7. "I would like to apologize for the assasination of JFK"

This guy will not be able to apologize for enough things today to make people feel sorry for him, that was my only point.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Anyone possibly have a live link?

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

I see probation to 6 months in the case. Vick's demeanor was different walking in the courtroom today than it was in July. IMO, with all that has been taken away, contracts, etc. he has suffered enough and the judge will take this into consideration.

If you can put live animals through the stuff he's been accused of doing, thatn I'm not sure he's suffered enough to get away with 6 months of probation.

 

[prymetyme25]

I sure that alot of what being said on ESPN is alittle bit irresponsible by the media of broadcasting that he is agreeing to help turn in other criminals and things like that. Isn't that is almost a death sentence for Vick? Personally I think that is garbage.

And please I know what he did okay. I dont want to hear your opinion of him. Just want to know if its right what espn is doing.

 

[Godsbrother]

I see probation to 6 months in the case. Vick's demeanor was different walking in the courtroom today than it was in July. IMO, with all that has been taken away, contracts, etc. he has suffered enough and the judge will take this into consideration.

No way he walks away with no jail time. I am thinking 12 months.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I see probation to 6 months in the case. Vick's demeanor was different walking in the courtroom today than it was in July. IMO, with all that has been taken away, contracts, etc. he has suffered enough and the judge will take this into consideration.

No way he walks away with no jail time. I am thinking 12 months.

If he brings down alot of other people, I could see no jail time. I highly doubt it though.

 

[3C's]

I see probation to 6 months in the case. Vick's demeanor was different walking in the courtroom today than it was in July. IMO, with all that has been taken away, contracts, etc. he has suffered enough and the judge will take this into consideration.

Contracts/endorsements have no bearing on the punishment from the legal system. Losing all that money is a great price to pay, but he still has to be punished by the legal system for his crimes. How was his demeanor back in April/May when he chose to lie, cover it up and blame other people? "No matter what I do people love Mike Vick." "I'm never there. I left the house with my family members and my cousin. They just haven't been doing the right thing."

 

[Fodasme69]

I see probation to 6 months in the case. Vick's demeanor was different walking in the courtroom today than it was in July. IMO, with all that has been taken away, contracts, etc. he has suffered enough and the judge will take this into consideration.

No way he walks away with no jail time. I am thinking 12 months.

I'm thinking closer to 24 than 12 and it's still not enough but JMHO

 

[CrossEyed]

I see probation to 6 months in the case. Vick's demeanor was different walking in the courtroom today than it was in July. IMO, with all that has been taken away, contracts, etc. he has suffered enough and the judge will take this into consideration.

No way he walks away with no jail time. I am thinking 12 months.

I'm thinking closer to 24 than 12 and it's still not enough but JMHO

Agreed. Can we assume that this will be on espn.com?

 

[Fodasme69]

I see probation to 6 months in the case. Vick's demeanor was different walking in the courtroom today than it was in July. IMO, with all that has been taken away, contracts, etc. he has suffered enough and the judge will take this into consideration.

No way he walks away with no jail time. I am thinking 12 months.

I'm thinking closer to 24 than 12 and it's still not enough but JMHO

Agreed. Can we assume that this will be on espn.com?

The verdict will not be issued today will it?

 

[perry147]

1. "I would like to apologize to the fantasy community that have wrapped up keeper and dynasty slots for me over the years."2. "I would like to apologize to the entire world for mistreating and abusing animals. I realize now what I did was wrong and I would like to when I am released from prison, to start an animal rights group and put an end to dogfighting in this country."3. "I would like to apologize to the fans of the Atlanta Falcons who have supported me with 53 straight sellouts at home."4. "I would like to apologize to Arthur Blank and to Roger Goodell who I lied to."5. "I would like to apologize to Nike and all the companies I have made tens of millions with in endorsements over the years."6. "I would like to apologize to the people of New Orleans as I started the whole Hurricane uptick over the past several years."7. "I would like to apologize for the assasination of JFK"This guy will not be able to apologize for enough things today to make people feel sorry for him, that was my only point.

8. "I would like to apologize for being such a lowlife cowardly &%$ who is trying to hide behind my race for the crimes I have committed."9. "I would like to thank the NAACP for being there for me and defending me even those my crime has absolutely nothing to do with race."10. "And finally in closing I would like to thank the national media for underplaying the outrage that my crimes indeed do deserve and being afraid of attacking me because of fearing the political backlash of attacking a guilty blackman."

 

[CrossEyed]

I see probation to 6 months in the case. Vick's demeanor was different walking in the courtroom today than it was in July. IMO, with all that has been taken away, contracts, etc. he has suffered enough and the judge will take this into consideration.

No way he walks away with no jail time. I am thinking 12 months.

I'm thinking closer to 24 than 12 and it's still not enough but JMHO

Agreed. Can we assume that this will be on espn.com?

The verdict will not be issued today will it?

No, I meant the press conference.

 

[prymetyme25]

1. "I would like to apologize to the fantasy community that have wrapped up keeper and dynasty slots for me over the years."2. "I would like to apologize to the entire world for mistreating and abusing animals. I realize now what I did was wrong and I would like to when I am released from prison, to start an animal rights group and put an end to dogfighting in this country."3. "I would like to apologize to the fans of the Atlanta Falcons who have supported me with 53 straight sellouts at home."4. "I would like to apologize to Arthur Blank and to Roger Goodell who I lied to."5. "I would like to apologize to Nike and all the companies I have made tens of millions with in endorsements over the years."6. "I would like to apologize to the people of New Orleans as I started the whole Hurricane uptick over the past several years."7. "I would like to apologize for the assasination of JFK"This guy will not be able to apologize for enough things today to make people feel sorry for him, that was my only point.

8. "I would like to apologize for being such a lowlife cowardly &%$ who is trying to hide behind my race for the crimes I have committed."9. "I would like to thank the NAACP for being there for me and defending me even those my crime has absolutely nothing to do with race."10. "And finally in closing I would like to thank the national media for underplaying the outrage that my crimes indeed do deserve and being afraid of attacking me because of fearing the political backlash of attacking a guilty blackman."

wow

 

[dnurk]

CNN has a live feed available. Right on their front page

 

[bosoxs45]

 

[videoguy505]

If he's smart he'll surrender immediately to start getting credit for time served, if he gets a "year and a day" sentence he can be out in time for next season, and with time off for good behavior that's available on year+ sentences he'd be able to make a camp.

 

[Kirby]

He's found Jesus!

 

[prymetyme25]

He's found Jesus!

is there something wrong with that?

 

[Keys Myaths]

He's found Jesus!

is there something wrong with that?

Other than the fact that he hasn't prayed for BigRed's auction league yet?

 

[prymetyme25]

He's found Jesus!

is there something wrong with that?

Other than the fact that he hasn't prayed for BigRed's auction league yet?

 

[CrossEyed]

Had some computer problems. Summary?

 

[redman]

He's found Jesus!

Is that the name of a pit bull they'd buried and couldn't locate?

 

[FavreCo]

He's found Jesus!

Who?

 

[redman]

I sure that alot of what being said on ESPN is alittle bit irresponsible by the media of broadcasting that he is agreeing to help turn in other criminals and things like that. Isn't that is almost a death sentence for Vick? Personally I think that is garbage.

Nobody's going to touch Vick in prison. They won't even get the opportunity to as he'll be kept separate from the general population. The "don't snitch" doofuses will just have to grumble about him.As for trading information for a reduced sentence, Vick's problem is that he's a kingpin, if you will. The idea behind trading cooperation for leniency is that you're helping the prosecutors work their way up the criminal food chain to get the big wigs. Vick was a big wig, so it's unclear to me what he can really offer them that will be significant enough to reduce his sentence.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I sure that alot of what being said on ESPN is alittle bit irresponsible by the media of broadcasting that he is agreeing to help turn in other criminals and things like that. Isn't that is almost a death sentence for Vick? Personally I think that is garbage.

Nobody's going to touch Vick in prison. They won't even get the opportunity to as he'll be kept separate from the general population. The "don't snitch" doofuses will just have to grumble about him.As for trading information for a reduced sentence, Vick's problem is that he's a kingpin, if you will. The idea behind trading cooperation for leniency is that you're helping the prosecutors work their way up the criminal food chain to get the big wigs. Vick was a big wig, so it's unclear to me what he can really offer them that will be significant enough to reduce his sentence.

Other big wigs?

 

[dnurk]

Had some computer problems. Summary?

Pretty standard stuff......sorry to NFL commish, sorry to his coach, sorry to his team, sorry to "the kids out there" Kept saying all the cliches about taking full responsibility for his actions, what he did was immature, etc. Obviously he had 4-5 phrases that they told him to use and he kept repeating them over and over. He did genuinely look sad/sorry, but I am thinking he must be totally bummed out knowing that he got caught and his life will never be the same again

 

[prymetyme25]

I sure that alot of what being said on ESPN is alittle bit irresponsible by the media of broadcasting that he is agreeing to help turn in other criminals and things like that. Isn't that is almost a death sentence for Vick? Personally I think that is garbage.

Nobody's going to touch Vick in prison. They won't even get the opportunity to as he'll be kept separate from the general population. The "don't snitch" doofuses will just have to grumble about him.As for trading information for a reduced sentence, Vick's problem is that he's a kingpin, if you will. The idea behind trading cooperation for leniency is that you're helping the prosecutors work their way up the criminal food chain to get the big wigs. Vick was a big wig, so it's unclear to me what he can really offer them that will be significant enough to reduce his sentence.

actually wasn't talking about prison as i knew where he was going isn't like that. But he still has to live his life and them reporting that he is goona help the Feds catch other criminal (not only dog fighting but other crimes too) now all of a sudden other crime rings start getting busted and you have to wonder Did Vick give them up?Thats more of what i meant.

 

[prymetyme25]

Had some computer problems. Summary?

Pretty standard stuff......sorry to NFL commish, sorry to his coach, sorry to his team, sorry to "the kids out there" Kept saying all the cliches about taking full responsibility for his actions, what he did was immature, etc. Obviously he had 4-5 phrases that they told him to use and he kept repeating them over and over. He did genuinely look sad/sorry, but I am thinking he must be totally bummed out knowing that he got caught and his life will never be the same again

 

[redman]

I sure that alot of what being said on ESPN is alittle bit irresponsible by the media of broadcasting that he is agreeing to help turn in other criminals and things like that. Isn't that is almost a death sentence for Vick? Personally I think that is garbage.

Nobody's going to touch Vick in prison. They won't even get the opportunity to as he'll be kept separate from the general population. The "don't snitch" doofuses will just have to grumble about him.As for trading information for a reduced sentence, Vick's problem is that he's a kingpin, if you will. The idea behind trading cooperation for leniency is that you're helping the prosecutors work their way up the criminal food chain to get the big wigs. Vick was a big wig, so it's unclear to me what he can really offer them that will be significant enough to reduce his sentence.

Other big wigs?

Sure, the big cheese, the big shot, the pro, the boss, the brains, the brass, the top dog, the judge, city hall, the czar, the front office, the guru, the ivory dome, the kingpin, the master, the man, the top brass, the wizard, the kingfish. Ya' dig?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Had some computer problems. Summary?

Pretty standard stuff......sorry to NFL commish, sorry to his coach, sorry to his team, sorry to "the kids out there" Kept saying all the cliches about taking full responsibility for his actions, what he did was immature, etc. Obviously he had 4-5 phrases that they told him to use and he kept repeating them over and over. He did genuinely look sad/sorry, but I am thinking he must be totally bummed out knowing that he got caught and his life will never be the same again

He REALLY should have apologized, or at least said something about the actual killing of dogs. That stood out to me.

 

[mad sweeney]

I thought it was a very heartfelt and proper statement. The only thing I take poorly from it was that he repeated a few times that he "never pointed the finger at anyone", which is exactly what he did until his boys rolled on him. All of his excuses at the beginning about never being there, his family taking advantage of him etc... So he's still doing some spin control, but a very sincere statement on his part. A different Mike Vick than we've seen before.

But other than that, he did all the right things, looked sincere and genuine (the exact opposite of a TO conference), he admitted to lying to his friends and teammates and bosses and I gained a little respect for him and hope he can make good on the promises he made today.

 

[suchislife]

I sure that alot of what being said on ESPN is alittle bit irresponsible by the media of broadcasting that he is agreeing to help turn in other criminals and things like that. Isn't that is almost a death sentence for Vick? Personally I think that is garbage.

Nobody's going to touch Vick in prison. They won't even get the opportunity to as he'll be kept separate from the general population. The "don't snitch" doofuses will just have to grumble about him.As for trading information for a reduced sentence, Vick's problem is that he's a kingpin, if you will. The idea behind trading cooperation for leniency is that you're helping the prosecutors work their way up the criminal food chain to get the big wigs. Vick was a big wig, so it's unclear to me what he can really offer them that will be significant enough to reduce his sentence.

According to Roger Cossack on Mike & Mike this morning...Vick is supposed to agree to cooperate regarding "other criminal activity". Not restricted to dog fighting or other names. Pure speculation on Cossack's part, but that could include drug activity or other gambling information.Vick's cooperation would include testifying at other trials. His sentencing date could be affected by his willingness to cooperate and the extent that he does. They could hold a reduced sentence over his head to insure he does in fact testify.

 

[redman]

I sure that alot of what being said on ESPN is alittle bit irresponsible by the media of broadcasting that he is agreeing to help turn in other criminals and things like that. Isn't that is almost a death sentence for Vick? Personally I think that is garbage.

Nobody's going to touch Vick in prison. They won't even get the opportunity to as he'll be kept separate from the general population. The "don't snitch" doofuses will just have to grumble about him.As for trading information for a reduced sentence, Vick's problem is that he's a kingpin, if you will. The idea behind trading cooperation for leniency is that you're helping the prosecutors work their way up the criminal food chain to get the big wigs. Vick was a big wig, so it's unclear to me what he can really offer them that will be significant enough to reduce his sentence.

According to Roger Cossack on Mike & Mike this morning...Vick is supposed to agree to cooperate regarding "other criminal activity". Not restricted to dog fighting or other names. Pure speculation on Cossack's part, but that could include drug activity or other gambling information.Vick's cooperation would include testifying at other trials. His sentencing date could be affected by his willingness to cooperate and the extent that he does. They could hold a reduced sentence over his head to insure he does in fact testify.

Interesting. The irony here is that by testifying on unrelated criminal matters, Vick is thereby revealing involvement to Goodell in things that Goodell didn't even know about. Double edged sword in terms of his relationship with the NFL.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

10. "And finally in closing I would like to thank the national media for underplaying the outrage that my crimes indeed do deserve

 

[bcr8f]

Michael found Jesus. Hallelujah

 

[redman]

I thought it was a very heartfelt and proper statement. The only thing I take poorly from it was that he repeated a few times that he "never pointed the finger at anyone", which is exactly what he did until his boys rolled on him. All of his excuses at the beginning about never being there, his family taking advantage of him etc... So he's still doing some spin control, but a very sincere statement on his part. A different Mike Vick than we've seen before.

But other than that, he did all the right things, looked sincere and genuine (the exact opposite of a TO conference), he admitted to lying to his friends and teammates and bosses and I gained a little respect for him and hope he can make good on the promises he made today.

Sorry, but I totally disagree. An apology is only worth as much as the fault the person accepts. They have to take ownership for their misdeeds. All the cliches about "letting down the kids/teammates/family", blah, blah, blah, focuses on the effects rather than the cause, which is to say that it dodges the point. Your post, ostensibly defending Vick, actually argues better for the opposite. Vick has a huge amount of vested interests that would like to do nothing more than minimize all of this so that they can "just move on". His handlers coached him to say a few catch phrases, which he dutifully repeated over and over. Frankly, that's probably about all they could expect from someone of his intellectual caliber, but that just means it was all the more transparent.

Vick's not upset because he genuinely thinks he did something wrong. He's upset because he got caught and because his asinine decision to breed and fight dogs over mere thousands of dollars has ended up costing him tens of millions of dollars in salary, bonuses and endorsements and has resulted in public embarrassment, all while he can't play football for at least a couple of years and maybe never again.

 

[perry147]

I thought it was a very heartfelt and proper statement. The only thing I take poorly from it was that he repeated a few times that he "never pointed the finger at anyone", which is exactly what he did until his boys rolled on him. All of his excuses at the beginning about never being there, his family taking advantage of him etc... So he's still doing some spin control, but a very sincere statement on his part. A different Mike Vick than we've seen before.

But other than that, he did all the right things, looked sincere and genuine (the exact opposite of a TO conference), he admitted to lying to his friends and teammates and bosses and I gained a little respect for him and hope he can make good on the promises he made today.

Are you really falling for this?This is a statement made by someone who has been trained to manipulate the media by his lawyers or consultants.

This has to do with one thing - MONEY.

What this is not about is a man who made an honest mistake and is sorry for it. This is not like getting in a car while drunk and killing someone. That would be unintentional. This was a deliberate act to torture and kill animals for his enjoyment.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I sure that alot of what being said on ESPN is alittle bit irresponsible by the media of broadcasting that he is agreeing to help turn in other criminals and things like that. Isn't that is almost a death sentence for Vick? Personally I think that is garbage.

Nobody's going to touch Vick in prison. They won't even get the opportunity to as he'll be kept separate from the general population. The "don't snitch" doofuses will just have to grumble about him.As for trading information for a reduced sentence, Vick's problem is that he's a kingpin, if you will. The idea behind trading cooperation for leniency is that you're helping the prosecutors work their way up the criminal food chain to get the big wigs. Vick was a big wig, so it's unclear to me what he can really offer them that will be significant enough to reduce his sentence.

Other big wigs?

Sure, the big cheese, the big shot, the pro, the boss, the brains, the brass, the top dog, the judge, city hall, the czar, the front office, the guru, the ivory dome, the kingpin, the master, the man, the top brass, the wizard, the kingfish. Ya' dig?

So, which one was DMX?

 

[menobrown]

I just saw it on NFL Network complete with a wrapup by Adam Shefter. Vick really did not say anything unusual, the standard stuff but obviously this is a new Mike Vick from the one we've seen previously.

My comment has to do with Adam Shefters commentary. I usually enjoy his work and hate to single him out on this because he's not the only one in the media who has done but it's absolutely moronic for Shefter to say Vick's apology means very little to him because it's easy to say you are sorry after you have been convicted. That is so stupid and is in line with the stupidity I've been reading when people say Vick is going to be in extra trouble with the NFL because he lied to Goodell. Folks, you can't admit guilt when you've not been convicted. How is this so difficult to understand? You can't incriminate yourself so you can't say you are sorry. So Shefter please get of your high horse and stick to reporting some insider info.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

That was despicable.

 

[prymetyme25]

I thought it was a very heartfelt and proper statement. The only thing I take poorly from it was that he repeated a few times that he "never pointed the finger at anyone", which is exactly what he did until his boys rolled on him. All of his excuses at the beginning about never being there, his family taking advantage of him etc... So he's still doing some spin control, but a very sincere statement on his part. A different Mike Vick than we've seen before.

But other than that, he did all the right things, looked sincere and genuine (the exact opposite of a TO conference), he admitted to lying to his friends and teammates and bosses and I gained a little respect for him and hope he can make good on the promises he made today.

Are you really falling for this?This is a statement made by someone who has been trained to manipulate the media by his lawyers or consultants.

This has to do with one thing - MONEY.

What this is not about is a man who made an honest mistake and is sorry for it. This is not like getting in a car while drunk and killing someone. That would be unintentional. This was a deliberate act to torture and kill animals for his enjoyment.

and you know this because........

 

[CalBear]

Folks, you can't admit guilt when you've not been convicted. How is this so difficult to understand? You can't incriminate yourself so you can't say you are sorry. So Shefter please get of your high horse and stick to reporting some insider info.

Of course you can admit guilt when you haven't been convicted. It's known as "taking responsibility for your actions." It may not be what your lawyer advises you to do, but it can be what your conscience advises you to do. Assuming you have one.

 

[perry147]

I just saw it on NFL Network complete with a wrapup by Adam Shefter. Vick really did not say anything unusual, the standard stuff but obviously this is a new Mike Vick from the one we've seen previously.My comment has to do with Adam Shefters commentary. I usually enjoy his work and hate to single him out on this because he's not the only one in the media who has done but it's absolutely moronic for Shefter to say Vick's apology means very little to him because it's easy to say you are sorry after you have been convicted. That is so stupid and is in line with the stupidity I've been reading when people say Vick is going to be in extra trouble with the NFL because he lied to Goodell. Folks, you can't admit guilt when you've not been convicted. How is this so difficult to understand? You can't incriminate yourself so you can't say you are sorry. So Shefter please get of your high horse and stick to reporting some insider info.

You know what is more moronic is the people who are trying so hard to find any possible reason to excuse Vick for he actions - because he is black. Vick should not have lied to Goodell about his involvement and if he had 1/2 a brain he would have said "Commissioner , at this time I think it would be in my legal best interest to not answer these questions, about the event that are currently being investigated in Virgina." BUT instead like a child caught stealing cookies - he lies directly to the commissioner.

 

[menobrown]

Folks, you can't admit guilt when you've not been convicted. How is this so difficult to understand? You can't incriminate yourself so you can't say you are sorry. So Shefter please get of your high horse and stick to reporting some insider info.

Of course you can admit guilt when you haven't been convicted. It's known as "taking responsibility for your actions." It may not be what your lawyer advises you to do, but it can be what your conscience advises you to do. Assuming you have one.

No sane person admits guilt when they are trying to stay out of prison and unless you are an idiot, which is likely, you would not either.

 

[perry147]

I thought it was a very heartfelt and proper statement. The only thing I take poorly from it was that he repeated a few times that he "never pointed the finger at anyone", which is exactly what he did until his boys rolled on him. All of his excuses at the beginning about never being there, his family taking advantage of him etc... So he's still doing some spin control, but a very sincere statement on his part. A different Mike Vick than we've seen before.

But other than that, he did all the right things, looked sincere and genuine (the exact opposite of a TO conference), he admitted to lying to his friends and teammates and bosses and I gained a little respect for him and hope he can make good on the promises he made today.

Are you really falling for this?This is a statement made by someone who has been trained to manipulate the media by his lawyers or consultants.

This has to do with one thing - MONEY.

What this is not about is a man who made an honest mistake and is sorry for it. This is not like getting in a car while drunk and killing someone. That would be unintentional. This was a deliberate act to torture and kill animals for his enjoyment.

and you know this because........

I have an IQ above a nat.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I thought it was a very heartfelt and proper statement. The only thing I take poorly from it was that he repeated a few times that he "never pointed the finger at anyone", which is exactly what he did until his boys rolled on him. All of his excuses at the beginning about never being there, his family taking advantage of him etc... So he's still doing some spin control, but a very sincere statement on his part. A different Mike Vick than we've seen before.

But other than that, he did all the right things, looked sincere and genuine (the exact opposite of a TO conference), he admitted to lying to his friends and teammates and bosses and I gained a little respect for him and hope he can make good on the promises he made today.

Sorry, but I totally disagree. An apology is only worth as much as the fault the person accepts. They have to take ownership for their misdeeds. All the cliches about "letting down the kids/teammates/family", blah, blah, blah, focuses on the effects rather than the cause, which is to say that it dodges the point. Your post, ostensibly defending Vick, actually argues better for the opposite. Vick has a huge amount of vested interests that would like to do nothing more than minimize all of this so that they can "just move on". His handlers coached him to say a few catch phrases, which he dutifully repeated over and over. Frankly, that's probably about all they could expect from someone of his intellectual caliber, but that just means it was all the more transparent.

Vick's not upset because he genuinely thinks he did something wrong. He's upset because he got caught and because his asinine decision to breed and fight dogs over mere thousands of dollars has ended up costing him tens of millions of dollars in salary, bonuses and endorsements and has resulted in public embarrassment, all while he can't play football for at least a couple of years and maybe never again.

In fairness, redemption can not be gained/attained via an apology - either written or otherwise. It is a journey that needs to begin with an admission and sometimes that admission is spurred by one's personal pain and loss. Vick has most definitely squandered away the world and as such, even with the admission of guilt, probably feels the pain more on his own behalf than the dogs he killed.This is not to defend Vick in the least. My view of him as a Falcons fan is tattered beyond repair. However, what will be the measure of his progress is weather he sees today as a beginning or an end. If it's the former and he takes steps towards that end, then at some point forgiveness should be a consideration.

 

[dgreen]

I thought it was a very heartfelt and proper statement. The only thing I take poorly from it was that he repeated a few times that he "never pointed the finger at anyone", which is exactly what he did until his boys rolled on him. All of his excuses at the beginning about never being there, his family taking advantage of him etc... So he's still doing some spin control, but a very sincere statement on his part. A different Mike Vick than we've seen before.

But other than that, he did all the right things, looked sincere and genuine (the exact opposite of a TO conference), he admitted to lying to his friends and teammates and bosses and I gained a little respect for him and hope he can make good on the promises he made today.

Are you really falling for this?This is a statement made by someone who has been trained to manipulate the media by his lawyers or consultants.

This has to do with one thing - MONEY.

What this is not about is a man who made an honest mistake and is sorry for it. This is not like getting in a car while drunk and killing someone. That would be unintentional. This was a deliberate act to torture and kill animals for his enjoyment.

and you know this because........

I have an IQ above a nat.

Ryan Zimmerman? Dmitri Young? Felipe Lopez?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

You know what is more moronic is the people who are trying so hard to find any possible reason to excuse Vick for he actions - because he is black.