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Weiner Dog

Footballguy
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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article.../603280350/1049

LIONS NOTEBOOK: Receivers get taste of Camp Marinelli

March 28, 2006

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ORLANDO -- About a week into the Lions' off-season conditioning program, Charles Rogers, Roy Williams and Mike Williams are learning life will be different with new coach Rod Marinelli.

"They're getting a better idea of what's going to be expected of them," president Matt Millen said Monday, chuckling. "I think that would be fair to say."

The receivers the Lions took in the top 10 of the last three drafts haven't been known for their work ethic. Marinelli and his staff will demand more of them and everyone else.

"They'll do the work," Millen said. "That's not the problem. The problem is learning to be consistent in the work, day in and day out at a high level. They won't be alone."

So far, the receivers have been fine. Asked if Mike Williams is overweight, Millen said: "Aren't we all? ... Am I concerned about it? Not right now. The approach right now is pretty good."

ROGERS UPDATE: It is unclear whether the new collective bargaining agreement will affect the Lions' grievance against Rogers. The Lions filed a grievance against him last year trying to recoup $10.184 million of his $14.4-million signing bonus because they said his drug suspension put him in default of his contract.

The labor agreement doesn't allow teams to put language in contracts like the language the Lions put in Rogers'. The players union contends that applies to contracts and grievances executed under the old agreement; the league likely will contend it doesn't.

Harold Henderson, chairman of the NFL management council, said it hadn't been determined. "We closed this deal in a hurry," he said. "It was done with a term sheet and not detailed CBA language. So that's one of the things that's an open question that's being resolved, how it works. ... It will probably be resolved in the discussions that are tying up all the loose ends of this thing."

NOTEBOOK: The Miami Herald reported the Dolphins had contacted agent David Dunn about quarterback Joey Harrington. Dunn declined to comment. Several other teams also are interested in Harrington. ...

The Lions were awarded a seventh-round (247th overall) compensatory pick in this year's draft, representing a net loss of one free agent in 2005. Compensatory picks are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors.

 

helix

Footballguy
So far, the receivers have been fine. Asked if Mike Williams is overweight, Millen said: "Aren't we all? ... Am I concerned about it? Not right now. The approach right now is pretty good."
Last time I checked, "we" are not all 23 year old millionaires playing professional sports that require athletes to stay in shape. Millen, you are a complete idiot.
 

mozzy84

Footballguy
So far, the receivers have been fine. Asked if Mike Williams is overweight, Millen said: "Aren't we all? ... Am I concerned about it? Not right now. The approach right now is pretty good."
Last time I checked, "we" are not all 23 year old millionaires playing professional sports that require athletes to stay in shape. Millen, you are a complete idiot.
Well said, I manage to keep my wieght in check by working out, you would think a pro athlete could do the same. Millen is such a tool.
 

Rev

Footballguy
Awww c'mon everyone, take it easy. By week 1, BMW will be a well-oiled touchdown machine.

:bag:

 

DoctorDetroit

Chocolate Thunder
This guy is an absolute ####bag. I laughed at all my friends last year when they actually thought this was a good pick. I was quoted as saying:

"Mike Williams might not even be good enough to be a tightend in the NFL but he'll have to work hard to even get that far. He runs a 10.2 40, he runs crappy routes, and his work ethic is already being questioned. Good luck with that."

I allow me to quote myself on Mike Williams because it is so comical. This is the #1 reason Matt Millen, the Lions, and Super Bowl will never be said in the same sentence unless it is this sentence. What a joke.

 

ExaltedOne

Footballguy
Anyone else think this is an overreaction? Maybe what Millen was saying is that the entire team is overweight. It's not like he said "yeah that lazy ******* is fat while Roy Williams and Charles Rogers are ripped and ready to play today." No, the interviewer asked specifically about Mike Williams and Millen said everyone is overweight. Whats the problem? They are in training camp to get into game shape.

 

Imedos

Footballguy
Just because someone is overweight, does not mean they have the skill set to play TE.
Yeah, but you can't be too harsh on the suggestion. People are just trying to find a use for a wr with TE speed with little RAC ability and apparently a lousy work ethic.MW's biggest contribution to the team may be to teach Charles Rogers how to eat hamburgers.

The Corey Bradford signing makes sense now. They are clearly in the running for another wr. Who does Kiper have at the top of his wr rankings? Millen does love the internets to make his draft for him.

 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
Anyone else think this is an overreaction? Maybe what Millen was saying is that the entire team is overweight. It's not like he said "yeah that lazy ******* is fat while Roy Williams and Charles Rogers are ripped and ready to play today." No, the interviewer asked specifically about Mike Williams and Millen said everyone is overweight. Whats the problem? They are in training camp to get into game shape.
...then why would the interviewer specifically asked about MW if there wasn't extra junk in his truck??
 

Z-Dog

Footballguy
I've always felt that guys like M.Williams and D.Boston should at least be lined at at TE for some plays, even if they can't learn how to play TE (which is a very tough position). But it seems like only marginal players like Tyrone Davis ever get the chance to do that.

Of course, it's no suprise that the Lions are in bad shape. When you allow Matt Millen to be the leader of your franchise, you're basically throwing accountability, effort, and high expectations out the window, and that attitude filters down to the whole organization. Millen has thrown two coaches and a top-5 pick QB under the wheels so far, and I expect the tally of mistakes to climb.

 

Sigmund Bloom

Footballguy
Staff member
Don't sleep on Scottie Vines. every bad thing I hear about the Lions receivers reminds me that he was their most dependable WR down the stretch and was strong enough in practice and play to go from total obscurity to starter...

 

redman

Footballguy
So far, the receivers have been fine. Asked if Mike Williams is overweight, Millen said: "Aren't we all? ... Am I concerned about it? Not right now. The approach right now is pretty good."
Last time I checked, "we" are not all 23 year old millionaires playing professional sports that require athletes to stay in shape. Millen, you are a complete idiot.
So Millen should have thrown the kid under the bus on this one? Get a nice big stink going before the season is the theory? Millen did right on this one...
It still is a dumb way to deflect the question. Is "no" down?
 

bicycle_seat_sniffer

Smells like chicken
Don't sleep on Scottie Vines. every bad thing I hear about the Lions receivers reminds me that he was their most dependable WR down the stretch and was strong enough in practice and play to go from total obscurity to starter...
:goodposting: I've herd that Chuck isn't picking things up the way people would like him too. - from tony Ortiz, am 1270 lions insider.

Also with Mike Will being over weight and Corey Bradford having hands of stone.

Vines is solid sleeper you might not even have to draft.

 

WhoDat

Footballguy
Not looking good...

Williams came out of college with a know affinity for eating...badly...and a lack of care for taking care of himself away from the field. The buyer beware tags were there yet Millen looked aside. He is young and has a monster frame. Natural, physical maturation will see he grows into that body, which is to say he will fill out and gain some weight. The situation becomes compounded at that point.

As a Lions fan, I hated this pick last year. After seeing Williams live in two different pregame and game situations, I hated it even more. He is L-A-Z-Y. At this point if the problem cannot be corrected someone should consider giving Williams a refresher in the 3 pt. stance; run blocking and pass protection schemes. You have to retrieve some return from him as a player.

Far easier to take a player; bulk him up and move him to play with a hand down versus taking a player; making him skinny and splitting him wide. Williams' ability to get open or create space against CB/S was clear last year. Perhaps he fares better against LB.

Millen was right with his comments. No need to throw a player under the bus or supercede the message the new coaching staff might be attempting to deliver. If Marinelli comes as advertised, I am pretty sure BIG Mike Williams got his ### handed to him over his physical state.

I hope Marinelli is comfortable working as master plumber, considering it is clear Williams needs some serious help pulling his plugged head out of his ###.

 

Bri

Footballguy
So far, the receivers have been fine. Asked if Mike Williams is overweight, Millen said: "Aren't we all? ... Am I concerned about it? Not right now. The approach right now is pretty good."
Last time I checked, "we" are not all 23 year old millionaires playing professional sports that require athletes to stay in shape. Millen, you are a complete idiot.
Well said, I manage to keep my wieght in check by working out, you would think a pro athlete could do the same. Millen is such a tool.
Not so true.The average NFLer gains weight in the offseason. Their metabolism is so high working out "every day" from TC thru January that it's sorta a given. Millen could have meant that.

However, I'd bet he's just joking around with the reporter and you guys are taking it too seriously. Wish there was a way to find out.

Anyhow, how much overweight is Williams?

 

Bojang0301

Omar4Heisman
Not looking good...

Williams came out of college with a know affinity for eating...badly...and a lack of care for taking care of himself away from the field. The buyer beware tags were there yet Millen looked aside. He is young and has a monster frame. Natural, physical maturation will see he grows into that body, which is to say he will fill out and gain some weight. The situation becomes compounded at that point.

As a Lions fan, I hated this pick last year. After seeing Williams live in two different pregame and game situations, I hated it even more. He is L-A-Z-Y. At this point if the problem cannot be corrected someone should consider giving Williams a refresher in the 3 pt. stance; run blocking and pass protection schemes. You have to retrieve some return from him as a player.

Far easier to take a player; bulk him up and move him to play with a hand down versus taking a player; making him skinny and splitting him wide. Williams' ability to get open or create space against CB/S was clear last year. Perhaps he fares better against LB.

Millen was right with his comments. No need to throw a player under the bus or supercede the message the new coaching staff might be attempting to deliver. If Marinelli comes as advertised, I am pretty sure BIG Mike Williams got his ### handed to him over his physical state.

I hope Marinelli is comfortable working as master plumber, considering it is clear Williams needs some serious help pulling his plugged head out of his ###.
:thumbup: :lmao:
 

DoctorDetroit

Chocolate Thunder
So far, the receivers have been fine. Asked if Mike Williams is overweight, Millen said: "Aren't we all? ... Am I concerned about it? Not right now. The approach right now is pretty good."
Last time I checked, "we" are not all 23 year old millionaires playing professional sports that require athletes to stay in shape. Millen, you are a complete idiot.
Well said, I manage to keep my wieght in check by working out, you would think a pro athlete could do the same. Millen is such a tool.
Not so true.The average NFLer gains weight in the offseason. Their metabolism is so high working out "every day" from TC thru January that it's sorta a given. Millen could have meant that.

However, I'd bet he's just joking around with the reporter and you guys are taking it too seriously. Wish there was a way to find out.

Anyhow, how much overweight is Williams?
Yeah I don't think they have anything to worry about. Roy Williams laughed that he couldn't keep track of how many practices and meetings Mike was late for last year; he didn't learn the playbook and rarely ran the right route; and he generally showed up about half the time in spirit if that. So now that he is fat I think everyone should just relax. He'll come around.
 
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Bri

Footballguy
So far, the receivers have been fine. Asked if Mike Williams is overweight, Millen said: "Aren't we all? ... Am I concerned about it? Not right now. The approach right now is pretty good."
Last time I checked, "we" are not all 23 year old millionaires playing professional sports that require athletes to stay in shape. Millen, you are a complete idiot.
Well said, I manage to keep my wieght in check by working out, you would think a pro athlete could do the same. Millen is such a tool.
Not so true.The average NFLer gains weight in the offseason. Their metabolism is so high working out "every day" from TC thru January that it's sorta a given. Millen could have meant that.

However, I'd bet he's just joking around with the reporter and you guys are taking it too seriously. Wish there was a way to find out.

Anyhow, how much overweight is Williams?
Yeah I don't think they have anything to worry about. Roy Williams laughed that he couldn't keep track of how many practices and meetings Mike was late for last year; he didn't learn the playbook and rarely ran the right route; and he generally showed up about half the time in spirit if that. So now that he is fat I think everyone should just relax. He'll come around.
Not saying that at all. I've posted time and time again that those WRs are "in for it" and will be so glad when the regular season comes and TC is over.

I just wanna know how much weight it is. Overweight 5 pounds? Yeah well I expected him to lounge around and spend time with his family.

25 pounds? Umm he liked mom's cooking a little too much

Know what I mean?

 

DoctorDetroit

Chocolate Thunder
So far, the receivers have been fine. Asked if Mike Williams is overweight, Millen said: "Aren't we all? ... Am I concerned about it? Not right now. The approach right now is pretty good."
Last time I checked, "we" are not all 23 year old millionaires playing professional sports that require athletes to stay in shape. Millen, you are a complete idiot.
Well said, I manage to keep my wieght in check by working out, you would think a pro athlete could do the same. Millen is such a tool.
Not so true.The average NFLer gains weight in the offseason. Their metabolism is so high working out "every day" from TC thru January that it's sorta a given. Millen could have meant that.

However, I'd bet he's just joking around with the reporter and you guys are taking it too seriously. Wish there was a way to find out.

Anyhow, how much overweight is Williams?
Yeah I don't think they have anything to worry about. Roy Williams laughed that he couldn't keep track of how many practices and meetings Mike was late for last year; he didn't learn the playbook and rarely ran the right route; and he generally showed up about half the time in spirit if that. So now that he is fat I think everyone should just relax. He'll come around.
Not saying that at all. I've posted time and time again that those WRs are "in for it" and will be so glad when the regular season comes and TC is over.

I just wanna know how much weight it is. Overweight 5 pounds? Yeah well I expected him to lounge around and spend time with his family.

25 pounds? Umm he liked mom's cooking a little too much

Know what I mean?
I do and that is a legitimate question. But there is something to be said for this situation because it involves Mike Williams. The guy is just a knucklehead and although I didn't think he would be much of a player, I thought he had a good head on his shoulders. All NFL put on some weight but if we have to hear about it with Mike Williams, something is like amiss. There is always something amiss when it comes to Mike Williams.

 

helix

Footballguy
Millen was right with his comments.  No need to throw a player under the bus or supercede the message the new coaching staff might be attempting to deliver.  If Marinelli comes as advertised, I am pretty sure BIG Mike Williams got his ### handed to him over his physical state.
Exactly... :goodposting: :thumbup:
Millen fumbled his comments and looks like a complete idiot. "Aren't we all? ... " is a horrible response to the reporters question.I think something like this is more appropriate:

Reporter- Are you concerned that Mike Williams looks to be out of shape?

Millen- The new coaching staff has a tough conditioning program and I am confident that every player will be is game shape by summer.

Guy needs to take a public speaking class. Christ.

 

Ozymandias

Footballguy
So far, the receivers have been fine. Asked if Mike Williams is overweight, Millen said: "Aren't we all? ... Am I concerned about it? Not right now. The approach right now is pretty good."
Last time I checked, "we" are not all 23 year old millionaires playing professional sports that require athletes to stay in shape. Millen, you are a complete idiot.
So Millen should have thrown the kid under the bus on this one? Get a nice big stink going before the season is the theory? Millen did right on this one...
It still is a dumb way to deflect the question. Is "no" down?
No??? Yeah sure just have Millen lie through his teeth about it, right...that's a real good idea :rolleyes:
I think Millen is an idiot. But his response was ok, in my opinion. No reason to make a big deal out of it. Mike Williams is somewhat overweight? So aren't we all.Now, if Mike Williams was seriously overweight, so that he couldn't get back into shape by the preseason, then Millen could have indicated his concern. But as it stands, so what?

 

purplehaze67

Footballguy
Dredging this back up to provide a pic of BMW from yesterday's minicamp.

link

I'm no expert but he's looking pretty good here, and says he plans to drop a few more pounds as well.

 

David Dodds

Administrator
If he is at 230 now, he easily can get to 220-225 by the time the season rolls around IF he tries. Things came pretty easy for BMW at USC. He is seeing that isn't the case so far in the NFL. He might be lazy, but I think he is realizing that he won't be successful at 230+. For those ready to throw him under the bus right now, I don't think I am ready to do that just yet. I still think he can excel (at the right weight and dedication) in the NFL. Now Charles Rogers.....I think he will washout.

 

perry147

Footballguy
If he is at 230 now, he easily can get to 220-225 by the time the season rolls around IF he tries. Things came pretty easy for BMW at USC. He is seeing that isn't the case so far in the NFL. He might be lazy, but I think he is realizing that he won't be successful at 230+. For those ready to throw him under the bus right now, I don't think I am ready to do that just yet. I still think he can excel (at the right weight and dedication) in the NFL. Now Charles Rogers.....I think he will washout.
:goodposting:
 

cstu

Footballguy
http://www.mlive.com/lions/stories/index.s...1340.xml&coll=1

Mike Williams knows there's no excuses now

Wednesday, April 12, 2006

By Tom Kowalski

ALLEN PARK -- Mike Williams isn't trying to make excuses for last season and he knows that excuses won't be tolerated this season.

Williams was the 10th overall pick by the Detroit Lions in the 2005 NFL draft and came into the league with big-play capability as a wide receiver, something that never materialized. He caught a touchdown pass in his first NFL game and then didn't get into the end zone the rest of the season.

Williams caught 29 passes for 350 yards and wasn't much of a factor in the Lions' offense; he was even a healthy scratch for the game against Dallas. Williams became sullen and lethargic, and the situation got worse.

"There are no excuses like `I saw this guy doing it and this guy doing it,' " Williams said. "(Lions president Matt) Millen was always on me -- you're not playing the football you expected to play. It wasn't just me, it was a lot of guys. And then the finger-pointing started and everything that could've gone wrong for us, did go wrong."

Now that new head coach Rod Marinelli and offensive coordinator Mike Martz are in place, Williams said he and the other receivers, including former first-round picks Roy Williams and Charles Rogers, realize where they stand.

"We're going with the strongest and the fastest and whoever's not up to that pace, they're going to get rid of," Mike Williams said. "I think everybody gets the message and the ones who don't get the message will weed themselves out."

Part of the problem last season was that the West Coast offense focused on the flanker position, which was manned by Roy Williams. That left the rest of the receivers to pick up a few crumbs here and there.

"Martz has made it clear that he can make it happen with anybody and it doesn't have to be the guys who are here. He'll go out and find guys that can get what he wants done," Mike Williams said. "Plus, when you watch this offense, it's not focused on one or two guys. It's so obvious that it's not about one person and it's going to work."

Mike Williams is slowly getting himself back into shape and hopes to reduce his previous playing weight of 235 pounds to 220.

"Everybody makes me sound so fat. It's more about conditioning," said Williams, who knows that Martz needs speed to run his high-tempo offense. "With Martz, 230 (pounds) doesn't really fit. I want to get down to 220 -- I've got some bets going on. I know you've got to be able to run and you have to be just as fast on play one as play 60 (in a game). If I'm going to be where I want to be personally, and that's be a full-time starter and put up some big-time numbers -- the things I'm expected to do -- then I've got to be in shape."

He isn't there yet, but he still hears Martz's words ringing in his ears: "I don't want you to be late and I don't want you to be overweight."

Mike Williams said the players are feeding off the intensity from the new coaches -- even when they're screaming, cursing and demanding.

"There's a brand new energy in the front office," he said. "I see guys go upstairs and hang out in the coaches offices and last year it wasn't like that. It's a different attitude now."
 

cstu

Footballguy
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/foot...ns.minicamp.ap/

'There's a different group here'

Marinelli sends clear message at first Lions minicamp

Posted: Tuesday April 11, 2006 9:12PM; Updated: Tuesday April 11, 2006 9:12PM

ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP) -- Rod Marinelli addressed all of the Detroit Lions when they gathered for their first minicamp Tuesday. But receiver Mike Williams said the new coach only looked at him as he delivered part of his stern message.

"'I don't want you to be late, and I don't want you to be overweight,' and he looked right at me," Williams recalled.

When Marinelli was hired in January to replace Steve Mariucci, who was fired during last season in part because of his softer touch with players, the Vietnam veteran said his voice would be the only one for discipline and leadership.

Williams said he welcomes Marinelli's approach.

"There was a lot of leeway, not only with me and the things I didn't do, but with a lot of guys," he said. "There's a different group here, and it's not going to be tolerated. It's kind of an accelerated change for a lot of people.

"I think everyone gets the message and those that don't will get weeded out."

The Lions drafted Williams last year with the 10th pick overall, becoming the first team since the NFL and AFL merged drafts in 1967 to draft a wide receiver in the first round three straight years.

Roy Williams, taken two years ago, had another solid season, but Mike Williams and Charles Rogers struggled.

Rogers was suspended for four games and was inactive for three games, including the finale at Pittsburgh. The second pick of the 2003 draft was ninth on the team in receptions and had one touchdown this season.

Mike Williams scored only once in his rookie year, two years after a sensational season at USC.

Marinelli "just wants me to be the player I was before I came here," Williams said.

Williams played at 239 pounds last year. He said he's 230 now and hopes to look more like the 212-pound Roy Williams.

"I'm trying to catch Roy. I've got best going because everybody thinks I'll be 225," Mike Williams said.

Williams said he was late to one meeting last season but said reports indicated he missed 15 or 20.

Rogers has played at about 220 pounds in the NFL but said he wants to enter next season about 20 pounds lighter, with the sleeker body type he had at Michigan State.

He said he also wants to shed the image that doubters have of him as a lackluster player in practice.

"I just have to keep working hard to prove them wrong," Rogers said.
 

Chitown Mole

Footballguy
I've always felt that guys like M.Williams and D.Boston should at least be lined at at TE for some plays, even if they can't learn how to play TE (which is a very tough position). But it seems like only marginal players like Tyrone Davis ever get the chance to do that.
The ability to at least reasonably block a front-7 defender has to come into play or you simply can't play at the TE position...you can work out of the slot, but that doesn't make you a TE.
 

bagger.

The One Play Quiz
So far, the receivers have been fine. Asked if Mike Williams is overweight, Millen said: "Aren't we all? ... Am I concerned about it? Not right now. The approach right now is pretty good."
Last time I checked, "we" are not all 23 year old millionaires playing professional sports that require athletes to stay in shape. Millen, you are a complete idiot.
:lmao: :goodposting:
 

Bri

Footballguy
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/foot...ns.minicamp.ap/

'There's a different group here'

Marinelli sends clear message at first Lions minicamp

Posted: Tuesday April 11, 2006 9:12PM; Updated: Tuesday April 11, 2006 9:12PM

ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP) -- Rod Marinelli addressed all of the Detroit Lions when they gathered for their first minicamp Tuesday. But receiver Mike Williams said the new coach only looked at him as he delivered part of his stern message.

"'I don't want you to be late, and I don't want you to be overweight,' and he looked right at me," Williams recalled.

When Marinelli was hired in January to replace Steve Mariucci, who was fired during last season in part because of his softer touch with players, the Vietnam veteran said his voice would be the only one for discipline and leadership.

Williams said he welcomes Marinelli's approach.

"There was a lot of leeway, not only with me and the things I didn't do, but with a lot of guys," he said. "There's a different group here, and it's not going to be tolerated. It's kind of an accelerated change for a lot of people.

"I think everyone gets the message and those that don't will get weeded out."

The Lions drafted Williams last year with the 10th pick overall, becoming the first team since the NFL and AFL merged drafts in 1967 to draft a wide receiver in the first round three straight years.

Roy Williams, taken two years ago, had another solid season, but Mike Williams and Charles Rogers struggled.

Rogers was suspended for four games and was inactive for three games, including the finale at Pittsburgh. The second pick of the 2003 draft was ninth on the team in receptions and had one touchdown this season.

Mike Williams scored only once in his rookie year, two years after a sensational season at USC.

Marinelli "just wants me to be the player I was before I came here," Williams said.

Williams played at 239 pounds last year. He said he's 230 now and hopes to look more like the 212-pound Roy Williams.

"I'm trying to catch Roy. I've got best going because everybody thinks I'll be 225," Mike Williams said.

Williams said he was late to one meeting last season but said reports indicated he missed 15 or 20.

Rogers has played at about 220 pounds in the NFL but said he wants to enter next season about 20 pounds lighter, with the sleeker body type he had at Michigan State.

He said he also wants to shed the image that doubters have of him as a lackluster player in practice.

"I just have to keep working hard to prove them wrong," Rogers said.
thanks for the update
 

BoulderBob

Footballguy
He is a hybrid type, and if the new Lions staff is worth a damn, they will get all they can from him. He isn't fast enough to be a #1 WR, but the kid can be a stud if MArinelli (sp?) knows what he is doing.

 

Captain Blowhard

Footballguy
I think he'll ultimately be moved to the Deep Fry machine at McDonalds.
I guess I'm one who doesn't understand the talk of him being fat (?)I see an awful lot of posters simply pile-on rather lazily without knowing much about him.

 

ConstruxBoy

Kate's Daddy
I think he'll ultimately be moved to the Deep Fry machine at McDonalds.
I guess I'm one who doesn't understand the talk of him being fat (?)I see an awful lot of posters simply pile-on rather lazily without knowing much about him.
Freud?My comment wasn't really directed at his weight, more at seeming his lack of desire to get better. There have been several reports/comments about that since last year. And given that he has a lot less schooling than most guys who come into the NFL, I think McDonalds could be the final destination.

 

mbuehner

Footballguy
Just because someone is overweight, does not mean they have the skill set to play TE.
:goodposting: As a former tight end i find this concept insulting! Its like taking a fat short stop and assuming he can go play catcher. Tight-end is among the most complex positions to play in football. It's one thing to throw a d-lineman in on the goalline once a game for a gimmick play, but making TE your living isnt so simple. You find me a pampered WR that can throw a decent hook block or beat the press from a three point stance (outside LBs are trained to grab jersey) and i'll gladly shake his hand. :hophead:
 

cstu

Footballguy
I think he'll ultimately be moved to the Deep Fry machine at McDonalds.
I guess I'm one who doesn't understand the talk of him being fat (?)I see an awful lot of posters simply pile-on rather lazily without knowing much about him.
Freud?My comment wasn't really directed at his weight, more at seeming his lack of desire to get better. There have been several reports/comments about that since last year. And given that he has a lot less schooling than most guys who come into the NFL, I think McDonalds could be the final destination.
The guy played last year at 6-5, 239 - that isn't fat by anyone's real life standards. At 225 pounds he would be fantastic shape. 15 extra pounds on a 6-5 guy isn't much at al and certainly not enough to call the guy fat anywhere except on a football field next to Roy Williams and Rogers (and we know his diet secret).
 

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