Miles Austin's Outlook With Kitna (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

Since there was an objection about discussing Austin's outlook with Kitna in the other Austin thread I thought I'd create a separate one. Tonight we saw 33 pass attempts from Kitna and only two (by my count) targets for Austin. It's not like Kitna destroyed the value of the Dallas passing game either. Witten was huge, Bryant was a stud and even Jones got in the act on screens. Meanwhile, the team's leading receiver was literally ignored on nearly every pass attempt.

So what does everyone think? Are Austin owners still starting him with confidence and hoping a full week of reps with Kitna will get the two on the same page? Or do you think there were enough troubling signs on display tonight to cause you to pull back from Austin and relegate him to matchup status only as opposed to being the standout WR1 he had been previously?

As a depressed Austin owner I'm about to drink heavily before passing out tonight. What does everyone else think?

 

[LAbronco]

ugly. very ugly.

 

[Loopdog]

I think he will be fine. Once Kitna gets a full week of practice under his belt, he will begin to throw to the open man. His WR's always had decent value in Cincy and Detroit, no?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hurd had targets towards the end too. Did Dez Bryant and Sam hurd leap frog Miles Austin on the depth charts? Will Dez Bryant be lining up across from Roy Williams? Will 1st team reps with the 1st team WRs help Miles Austin get some chemistry going with Kitna?

I don't think you can take what happened in tonight's game and take it as the final word.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Did you write this?

"RIP Miles. It was a fun ride while it lasted but it looks like we can turn out the lights on his 2010 season"

and possibly this?

"At the risk of you really thinking I have no class I'd almost prefer he did suffer a season-ending injury."

There is a reason why a few of us took issue with your posts. I imagine a lot more will read this and have issue with it as well.

 

[knickstorm]

bryant got all those catches on quick short passes and they just hope he does something after the catch, hopefully teams catch on, bring their defensive backs up....forcing the cowboys to keep them honest by throwing further down the field, hopefully that's where austin comes in........but for today kitten looked very inaccurate on throw over 15 yards

depends on play calling too....austin didnt do anything last time out with a healthy romo

 

[jude]

Since there was an objection about discussing Austin's outlook with Kitna in the other Austin thread I thought I'd create a separate one. Tonight we saw 33 pass attempts from Kitna and only two (by my count) targets for Austin. It's not like Kitna destroyed the value of the Dallas passing game either. Witten was huge, Bryant was a stud and even Jones got in the act on screens. Meanwhile, the team's leading receiver was literally ignored on nearly every pass attempt.

So what does everyone think? Are Austin owners still starting him with confidence and hoping a full week of reps with Kitna will get the two on the same page? Or do you think there were enough troubling signs on display tonight to cause you to pull back from Austin and relegate him to matchup status only as opposed to being the standout WR1 he had been previously?

As a depressed Austin owner I'm about to drink heavily before passing out tonight. What does everyone else think?

there was an objection because you were actin like a tool in the other thread not because you gave your opinion.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

bryant got all those catches and quick short passes and they just hope he does something after the catch, hopefully teams catch on, bring their defensive backs up....forcing the cowboys to keep them honest by throwing further down the field, hopefully that's where austin comes in........but for today kitten looked very inaccurate on throw over 15 yards

Will that change with more reps?

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

At first I was concerned... but I feel better now. I think that being behind as they were... they were just looking to take what the defense gave them. A lot of quick slants to the outside receivers, or dump offs to the TE/RB. He kind of came in there unprepared and the Giants weren't going to let Miles come in and burn them on a big play.

 

[packersfan]

Did you write this?"RIP Miles. It was a fun ride while it lasted but it looks like we can turn out the lights on his 2010 season"and possibly this?"At the risk of you really thinking I have no class I'd almost prefer he did suffer a season-ending injury."There is a reason why a few of us took issue with your posts. I imagine a lot more will read this and have issue with it as well.

I thought you said you were done with the discussion? Guess not.Yes, I wrote both of those statements. I don't think there was anything out of line with either one. For the first, it's very possible in my opinion that Austin's stud status is gone. If that's the case then yeah RIP Miles Austin. I'm a huge fan but if tonight is any indication his fantasy value may be in a world of hurt. Speaking of hurt, the second statement I made is based on the fact that if Austin's value begins to plunge than he becomes a very risky and potentially agonizing player for his owners. While I obviously don't want him to get hurt the fact is if he was hurt at least there would be clarity about his status. Right now, he looks like a rather huge question mark.

 

[packersfan]

Since there was an objection about discussing Austin's outlook with Kitna in the other Austin thread I thought I'd create a separate one. Tonight we saw 33 pass attempts from Kitna and only two (by my count) targets for Austin. It's not like Kitna destroyed the value of the Dallas passing game either. Witten was huge, Bryant was a stud and even Jones got in the act on screens. Meanwhile, the team's leading receiver was literally ignored on nearly every pass attempt.

So what does everyone think? Are Austin owners still starting him with confidence and hoping a full week of reps with Kitna will get the two on the same page? Or do you think there were enough troubling signs on display tonight to cause you to pull back from Austin and relegate him to matchup status only as opposed to being the standout WR1 he had been previously?

As a depressed Austin owner I'm about to drink heavily before passing out tonight. What does everyone else think?

there was an objection because you were actin like a tool in the other thread not because you gave your opinion.

How was I acting like a tool? I gave my opinion that I'm a concerned Austin owner. How does that make me a tool? The fact I said RIP? Seriously? There's a heck of a lot worse things posted in this forum than an Austin owner expressing concern about his player's fantasy value the rest of the way.

 

[Go Blue]

I think he will be fine. Once Kitna gets a full week of practice under his belt, he will begin to throw to the open man. His WR's always had decent value in Cincy and Detroit, no?

I think Austin's outlook is bad with Kitna at QB. I don't think you can look at anything Kitna has done in Cincy or Detroit at this point in his career. The man is 38 years old and hasn't started an NFL game in over 2 years. While he's still a decent backup QB, he's definitely not the same guy you saw in Detroit. This isn't just a knock on Kitna. Any QB or NFL player for that matter (Except maybe Favre) is going to decline from age 36 to 38. Can he come in and be effective? He probably can, but I'm sure the offensive gameplan is going to become more conservative with Kitna at QB. Much more underneath routes now. That means Austin loses value.

 

[jude]

Since there was an objection about discussing Austin's outlook with Kitna in the other Austin thread I thought I'd create a separate one. Tonight we saw 33 pass attempts from Kitna and only two (by my count) targets for Austin. It's not like Kitna destroyed the value of the Dallas passing game either. Witten was huge, Bryant was a stud and even Jones got in the act on screens. Meanwhile, the team's leading receiver was literally ignored on nearly every pass attempt.

So what does everyone think? Are Austin owners still starting him with confidence and hoping a full week of reps with Kitna will get the two on the same page? Or do you think there were enough troubling signs on display tonight to cause you to pull back from Austin and relegate him to matchup status only as opposed to being the standout WR1 he had been previously?

As a depressed Austin owner I'm about to drink heavily before passing out tonight. What does everyone else think?

there was an objection because you were actin like a tool in the other thread not because you gave your opinion.

How was I acting like a tool? I gave my opinion that I'm a concerned Austin owner. How does that make me a tool? The fact I said RIP? Seriously? There's a heck of a lot worse things posted in this forum than an Austin owner expressing concern about his player's fantasy value the rest of the way.

im just mad austin is junk now.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I think he will be fine. Once Kitna gets a full week of practice under his belt, he will begin to throw to the open man. His WR's always had decent value in Cincy and Detroit, no?

I think Austin's outlook is bad with Kitna at QB. I don't think you can look at anything Kitna has done in Cincy or Detroit at this point in his career. The man is 38 years old and hasn't started an NFL game in over 2 years. While he's still a decent backup QB, he's definitely not the same guy you saw in Detroit. This isn't just a knock on Kitna. Any QB or NFL player for that matter (Except maybe Favre) is going to decline from age 36 to 38. Can he come in and be effective? He probably can, but I'm sure the offensive gameplan is going to become more conservative with Kitna at QB. Much more underneath routes now. That means Austin loses value.

I think that is where Miles Austin does some of his best work. They will get him the ball.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think he will be fine. Once Kitna gets a full week of practice under his belt, he will begin to throw to the open man. His WR's always had decent value in Cincy and Detroit, no?

I think Austin's outlook is bad with Kitna at QB. I don't think you can look at anything Kitna has done in Cincy or Detroit at this point in his career. The man is 38 years old and hasn't started an NFL game in over 2 years. While he's still a decent backup QB, he's definitely not the same guy you saw in Detroit. This isn't just a knock on Kitna. Any QB or NFL player for that matter (Except maybe Favre) is going to decline from age 36 to 38. Can he come in and be effective? He probably can, but I'm sure the offensive gameplan is going to become more conservative with Kitna at QB. Much more underneath routes now. That means Austin loses value.

JAX@GB@NYGDETNO@IndyPHIWAS@AZI see a decent mix of games where he can do some damage. Jax and GB have had WRs take advantage of them. Det and NO are not shutting anyone out. It could be worse. I think the guy who took the biggest hit tonight was Roy Williams. The WR2 spot is downgraded but a WR1 is going to catch the ball. This is not Curtis Painter throwing the ball.

 

[Go Blue]

I think he will be fine. Once Kitna gets a full week of practice under his belt, he will begin to throw to the open man. His WR's always had decent value in Cincy and Detroit, no?

I think Austin's outlook is bad with Kitna at QB. I don't think you can look at anything Kitna has done in Cincy or Detroit at this point in his career. The man is 38 years old and hasn't started an NFL game in over 2 years. While he's still a decent backup QB, he's definitely not the same guy you saw in Detroit. This isn't just a knock on Kitna. Any QB or NFL player for that matter (Except maybe Favre) is going to decline from age 36 to 38. Can he come in and be effective? He probably can, but I'm sure the offensive gameplan is going to become more conservative with Kitna at QB. Much more underneath routes now. That means Austin loses value.

I think that is where Miles Austin does some of his best work. They will get him the ball.

I'm not trying to say that Austin has lost all value or his fantasy season is in serious jeopardy. I'm saying that the big plays Austin owners are used to, will be few and far between. He goes from a must start #1 Wr to a low end #2 or even a #3 WR now. At least, that's how I see it. That is my prediction with a 38 year old Kitna and an O-line that hasn't lived up to expectations.

 

[baldbird]

I think Austin takes a hit and Witten and Dez stock gos up

 

[thriftyrocker]

Can we fast forward about 3 weeks to the Stephen McGee pity party? Austin owners should hope Kitna does well.

 

[knickstorm]

bryant got all those catches and quick short passes and they just hope he does something after the catch, hopefully teams catch on, bring their defensive backs up....forcing the cowboys to keep them honest by throwing further down the field, hopefully that's where austin comes in........but for today kitten looked very inaccurate on throw over 15 yards

Will that change with more reps?

as a miles austin owner, i sure hope soyes dez got plenty of looks but the way the giants D was playing all Kitna took were the short routes, by the time austin or whoever else got downfield he would've probably been sacked.........hopefully garrett will open up the playbook more for kitna next week........does austin's value take a hit? of course, but people are acting like he just got larry fitzgerald'ed...kitna did more in 1 half than hall and anderson have done all season....hopefully austin has a strong game in jax, thinking 100+ yards a score and all will be well.

 

[drew726]

I see more short passes. They'll try to find a way to get him the ball through playcalling. So many in PPR he'll get more receptions but less yardage and probably less TD's as well. He's a pretty good YAC guy though.

 

[Banger]

I think the running game takes the biggest hit. Not that they were doing great but any hope for Felix/barber is gone IMO. I think Austin will be ok he was likely getting doubled and runs the deeper routes and with the giants pass rush it took him out of the game. I might approach a few panicky Austin owners and offer up the flavor of the day hoping they bite. They'll practice this week and get him in the gameplan. He's too good not to.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Kitna's not used to working with the 1s during the week, so it's understandable that they didn't have an immediate rapport. I put almost no stock into tonight except to say that Kitna seems to be a serviceable QB and can still throw it.

After a week of practice we'll know. Austin owners should feel good about Kitna's ability to step in and play well. He could be just fine.

 

[atcdav]

Kitna has had zero time with the 1st team according to the MNF pundits and has not seen game-time in 2 years. He was a previous 4000 yd passer. He did very well as the back up in Cincy. I am holding hope that a full week with the first team will help with chemistry and timing and Austin will be serviceable. Austin wasn't exactly an every week hit with Romo. Looks like Dez will be the biggest beneficiary of Kitna right now. I will look to move Austin but I will not be dumping him too cheap.

 

[noneother]

do the cowboys give up at this point? start to get Roy and Dez involved, and Choice, see what they have.... get Roy some visibility for a trade (if contract is permitting)?

as a dez dynasty owner, I am excited,,, just not sure he's startable, with confidence, over McCluster, or Gettis, or Dem Thomas this year... I do think Miles isn't as heavily relied upon going forward...

NFC seems to be the Giants to lose, no? whatta mess...

 

[zamboni]

I do think Miles isn't as heavily relied upon going forward...

They just gave Austin a big contract, so I can't see the team scaling back his presence. Besides, he's still among their top playmakers.As for Austin going forward, there's no doubt Romo's loss is a hit to his value - they had tremendous chemistry and Romo obviously targeted him quite a bit.But it doesn't have to be as calamitous as some are saying. The Giants clearly gameplanned to take Austin out of the game - and were successful at it. Kitna wisely went to his other options that were open - Witten and Bryant. Maybe Austin isn't as targeted as much as in the past with Romo, but with a week of work, I think Garrett will try to get the ball in Austin's hands more often.Bottom line: definitely a hit to Austin's value, but maybe not as bad as last night may have shown.

 

[noneother]

I do think Miles isn't as heavily relied upon going forward...

They just gave Austin a big contract, so I can't see the team scaling back his presence. Besides, he's still among their top playmakers.As for Austin going forward, there's no doubt Romo's loss is a hit to his value - they had tremendous chemistry and Romo obviously targeted him quite a bit.But it doesn't have to be as calamitous as some are saying. The Giants clearly gameplanned to take Austin out of the game - and were successful at it. Kitna wisely went to his other options that were open - Witten and Bryant. Maybe Austin isn't as targeted as much as in the past with Romo, but with a week of work, I think Garrett will try to get the ball in Austin's hands more often.Bottom line: definitely a hit to Austin's value, but maybe not as bad as last night may have shown.

let me qualify.. for the current season, I can see them not forcing the ball towards miles.... seems to me the season may be considered lost.. and forcing it to him doesn't develop the rest of the team..

 

[JD8p]

I don't think it's as bad as people are making it.

Will you get the 10 catch 140 yard games? Probably not...but you should get very strong #2 WR production, with some #1 games mixed in there. Jon Kitna isn't Brad Johnson...he will throw the ball around. Give him a week of reps and a defense without as good of a line, and he should be able to put up solid enough performances.

Austin will be good for the rest of the year...not great...but good.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The overreaction to Dez Bryant scoring twice whie the Giants were boarding the planes to head back to New York is unbelievable. As soon as Dez Bryant is declared #1 on the depth charts or listed there by Bob Henry on his depth charts here at FBG please let the rest of us know.

 

[cheese]

I think Kitna is ok for fantasy purposes. He may make a ton of mistakes and cost his team games, but he has shown the ability to move down the field and score points. That is more than you can say for half the backup QBs in the league. It isn't GOOD news for Austin, but I'm at least holding if I owned him.

 

[the spanker]

I got offered Austin/Bradshaw for Fitzgerald/Charles this morning.

I had to take it.

 

[[icon]]

How was I acting like a tool?

Please. Stop playing dumb. You know the statements were intended to be inflammatory Hyperbole. IF you didn't, then you're not very bright as they clearly are just that. So.... you're either lying, or ignorant.. neither of which is a particularly redeeming character trait.

 

[Sir Chadwick]

I got offered Austin/Bradshaw for Fitzgerald/Charles this morning.I had to take it.

Absolutely.. Good move on your part imo.Fitz isn't getting it done and Charles is still splitting w/ TJones.Austin may be streaky, but he's in the better scenario to succeed even w/ Kitna.And Bradshaw is borderline stud.

 

[packersfan]

How was I acting like a tool?

Please. Stop playing dumb. You know the statements were intended to be inflammatory. Hyperbole. IF you didn't, then you're not very bright as they clearly are just that. So.... you're either lying, or ignorant.. neither of which is a particularly redeeming character trait.

Now who's acting like a tool. If you think I'm dumb or lacking character, that's your call. It's no skin off my back either way. I've been posting in this forum for several years. I like to think I bring some value with my posts here. If you disagree, that's cool. Life goes on. In any event, my comments were not in any way, shape or form meant to be inflammatory and I'm really surprised people have misinterpreted them. They were simply my reaction to being concerned about Austin's fantasy value going forward. If you or anyone else can't understand that or don't agree with it, that's fine. But I hardly was acting like a tool.

 

[[icon]]

How was I acting like a tool?

Please. Stop playing dumb. You know the statements were intended to be inflammatory. Hyperbole. IF you didn't, then you're not very bright as they clearly are just that. So.... you're either lying, or ignorant.. neither of which is a particularly redeeming character trait.

Now who's acting like a tool. If you think I'm dumb or lacking character, that's your call. It's no skin off my back either way. I've been posting in this forum for several years. I like to think I bring some value with my posts here. If you disagree, that's cool. Life goes on. In any event, my comments were not in any way, shape or form meant to be inflammatory and I'm really surprised people have misinterpreted them. They were simply my reaction to being concerned about Austin's fantasy value going forward. If you or anyone else can't understand that or don't agree with it, that's fine. But I hardly was acting like a tool.

:ignore:

 

[packersfan]

How was I acting like a tool?

Please. Stop playing dumb. You know the statements were intended to be inflammatory. Hyperbole. IF you didn't, then you're not very bright as they clearly are just that. So.... you're either lying, or ignorant.. neither of which is a particularly redeeming character trait.

Now who's acting like a tool. If you think I'm dumb or lacking character, that's your call. It's no skin off my back either way. I've been posting in this forum for several years. I like to think I bring some value with my posts here. If you disagree, that's cool. Life goes on. In any event, my comments were not in any way, shape or form meant to be inflammatory and I'm really surprised people have misinterpreted them. They were simply my reaction to being concerned about Austin's fantasy value going forward. If you or anyone else can't understand that or don't agree with it, that's fine. But I hardly was acting like a tool.

:ignore:

Works for me. Have a good one.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think anyone stating Witten or Bryant are Kitna's favorites are jumping the gun. Kitna has had 0 reps with the 1st team this year. Lets give him a weeks worth of reps in the offense before naming his favorites.

 

[packersfan]

I think anyone stating Witten or Bryant are Kitna's favorites are jumping the gun. Kitna has had 0 reps with the 1st team this year. Lets give him a weeks worth of reps in the offense before naming his favorites.

I think what we saw with Witten is legit. Kitna doesn't have a big arm so he's likely going to rely heavily on intermediate routes. That's where he can target Witten. I wouldn't be surprised to see Witten continue to do well with Kitna at QB.

 

[kencav]

I think the running game takes the biggest hit. Not that they were doing great but any hope for Felix/barber is gone IMO. I think Austin will be ok he was likely getting doubled and runs the deeper routes and with the giants pass rush it took him out of the game. I might approach a few panicky Austin owners and offer up the flavor of the day hoping they bite. They'll practice this week and get him in the gameplan. He's too good not to.

How does the running game take a hit coach?They BETTER run the ball or Kitna will get killed- and if you look at their schedule it is very condusive to runningAnd with their season down the tubes I believe Felix Jones IS the cowboy to own right now as they will truly try to see what they have in him as Barber is not good

 

[the spanker]

I got offered Austin/Bradshaw for Fitzgerald/Charles this morning.I had to take it.

Absolutely.. Good move on your part imo.Fitz isn't getting it done and Charles is still splitting w/ TJones.Austin may be streaky, but he's in the better scenario to succeed even w/ Kitna.And Bradshaw is borderline stud.

Thanks, the reason I posted the trade is because I think Austin is a buy low right now in PPR. Guys on here saying he's done are jumping the gun IMHO. I was trying my best all year to get him from the Austin Owner and with Romo done now I guess that was the straw that broke the camel's back for him.I'm pleased to finally get Austin on my squad.

 

[Fat Nick]

im just mad austin is junk now.

As gramatically incorrect as this is, I agree.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think anyone stating Witten or Bryant are Kitna's favorites are jumping the gun. Kitna has had 0 reps with the 1st team this year. Lets give him a weeks worth of reps in the offense before naming his favorites.

I think what we saw with Witten is legit. Kitna doesn't have a big arm so he's likely going to rely heavily on intermediate routes. That's where he can target Witten. I wouldn't be surprised to see Witten continue to do well with Kitna at QB.

Which Cowboy receiver can't run those intermediate routes? Sure, Witten can maybe be a safety net for Kitna but getting the ball into the hands of the big YAC guys like Bryant and Austin will produce better results. JMO

 

[packersfan]

I got offered Austin/Bradshaw for Fitzgerald/Charles this morning.I had to take it.

Absolutely.. Good move on your part imo.Fitz isn't getting it done and Charles is still splitting w/ TJones.Austin may be streaky, but he's in the better scenario to succeed even w/ Kitna.And Bradshaw is borderline stud.

Thanks, the reason I posted the trade is because I think Austin is a buy low right now in PPR. Guys on here saying he's done are jumping the gun IMHO. I was trying my best all year to get him from the Austin Owner and with Romo done now I guess that was the straw that broke the came's back for him.I'm pleased to finally get Austin on my squad.

I like the fact you got Bradshaw more than anything. He's a stud talent. And with Jacobs running better I think that increases the chances Bradshaw can stay healthy the rest of the season. I think you made a very nice trade.

 

[packersfan]

I think anyone stating Witten or Bryant are Kitna's favorites are jumping the gun. Kitna has had 0 reps with the 1st team this year. Lets give him a weeks worth of reps in the offense before naming his favorites.

I think what we saw with Witten is legit. Kitna doesn't have a big arm so he's likely going to rely heavily on intermediate routes. That's where he can target Witten. I wouldn't be surprised to see Witten continue to do well with Kitna at QB.

Which Cowboy receiver can't run those intermediate routes? Sure, Witten can maybe be a safety net for Kitna but getting the ball into the hands of the big YAC guys like Bryant and Austin will produce better results. JMO

I agree. It will be interesting to see if they start running more crossing routes for Austin to lessen the burden on Kitna trying to make big plays downfield. I do think Witten's value remains strong, though. I think he could become Kitna's favorite target by virtue of Witten's talent and Kitna's inability to make consistent big plays downfield which is where Austin's value escalated.

 

[Hoosier16]

The overreaction to Dez Bryant scoring twice whie the Giants were boarding the planes to head back to New York is unbelievable. As soon as Dez Bryant is declared #1 on the depth charts or listed there by Bob Henry on his depth charts here at FBG please let the rest of us know.

Where is the overreaction? Bryant scored 3 times in a game in which his team otherwise had trouble moving the ball. The Cowboys are now 1-5 and in 15th place in the NFC. With Bryant finally appearing healthy, it's not too unrealistic too expect them to maybe get their #1 pick more involved in the offense.

 

[the spanker]

I got offered Austin/Bradshaw for Fitzgerald/Charles this morning.I had to take it.

Absolutely.. Good move on your part imo.Fitz isn't getting it done and Charles is still splitting w/ TJones.Austin may be streaky, but he's in the better scenario to succeed even w/ Kitna.And Bradshaw is borderline stud.

Thanks, the reason I posted the trade is because I think Austin is a buy low right now in PPR. Guys on here saying he's done are jumping the gun IMHO. I was trying my best all year to get him from the Austin Owner and with Romo done now I guess that was the straw that broke the came's back for him.I'm pleased to finally get Austin on my squad.

I like the fact you got Bradshaw more than anything. He's a stud talent. And with Jacobs running better I think that increases the chances Bradshaw can stay healthy the rest of the season. I think you made a very nice trade.

Thanks appreciate your comments. I felt it was a win-win trade for me. Now saying that, watch Charles go off for the rest of the year!

 

[zamboni]

Ease up on packersfan.

He's a longtime solid poster, and he posted one comment based on the disappointment on having a stud WR lose value in short order. No different than several comments that are posted on the boards.

Most has been said, but I'm not so sure that Witten gets a big bump here, as some have speculated. He was the clear safety valve last night, but with the OL playing poorly, I wouldn't be surprised to see Witten take on more blocking duties to max protect the rusty Kitna.

 

[packersfan]

Ease up on packersfan. He's a longtime solid poster, and he posted one comment based on the disappointment on having a stud WR lose value in short order. No different than several comments that are posted on the boards.

Thanks zamboni. I've been here for several years and I'd like to think people know I don't act like a tool. They may not always agree with my opinions but one thing I don't do is come here and try to incite anyone by posting bullstuff or things of that nature. That's why I was so surprised my comments were taken the way they were. But if people thought I crossed a line, I apologize. It certainly wasn't my intent. I just have some real concerns about Austin going forward based on what transpired last night. Hopefully, a week of practice with the starters with help Kitna get on the same page with Austin but it's safe to say he's no longer a Must Start WR like he was before. He comes with risk now at least until we see more of what Kitna can do. I think everyone can agree on that. Anyway, thanks again.

 

[Clifford]

Since there was an objection about discussing Austin's outlook with Kitna in the other Austin thread I thought I'd create a separate one. Tonight we saw 33 pass attempts from Kitna and only two (by my count) targets for Austin. It's not like Kitna destroyed the value of the Dallas passing game either. Witten was huge, Bryant was a stud and even Jones got in the act on screens. Meanwhile, the team's leading receiver was literally ignored on nearly every pass attempt. So what does everyone think? Are Austin owners still starting him with confidence and hoping a full week of reps with Kitna will get the two on the same page? Or do you think there were enough troubling signs on display tonight to cause you to pull back from Austin and relegate him to matchup status only as opposed to being the standout WR1 he had been previously? As a depressed Austin owner I'm about to drink heavily before passing out tonight. What does everyone else think?

He was taken out of last game too so I wouldn't necessarily attribute that to Kitna. The Giants obviously made it a point of their game planning to take him out of the game as did the Vikings. I think what you're dealing with here is a blueprint for beating Dallas which could actually be worse for Austin owners.That being said, 2 bad games in a row is cause for worry but I wouldn't necessarily think that it's going to stay that way because of Kitna. I think Austin is going to learn how to effectively get open with better coverage.I will say it's looking great for Witten and Bryant owners though.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Ease up on packersfan. He's a longtime solid poster, and he posted one comment based on the disappointment on having a stud WR lose value in short order. No different than several comments that are posted on the boards.

Thanks zamboni. I've been here for several years and I'd like to think people know I don't act like a tool. They may not always agree with my opinions but one thing I don't do is come here and try to incite anyone by posting bullstuff or things of that nature. That's why I was so surprised my comments were taken the way they were. But if people thought I crossed a line, I apologize. It certainly wasn't my intent. I just have some real concerns about Austin going forward based on what transpired last night. Hopefully, a week of practice with the starters with help Kitna get on the same page with Austin but it's safe to say he's no longer a Must Start WR like he was before. He comes with risk now at least until we see more of what Kitna can do. I think everyone can agree on that. Anyway, thanks again.

Your post and bump yesterday was legit so don't take offense to what others on here are saying. I somewhat disagree with you about Austin's value though. I agree with MOP that after Kitna gets some practice time with the first team, it won't take long for him to get on the same page with Austin. Kitna is a veteran and not a terrible qb. He will take advantage of his weapons and Austin is his biggest weapon. You may not see it immediately but I think he will be a # 1 wr within a week or two. This team will keep throwing regardless of who is at qb.

 

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Ease up on packersfan.

He's a longtime solid poster, and he posted one comment based on the disappointment on having a stud WR lose value in short order. No different than several comments that are posted on the boards.

Thanks zamboni. I've been here for several years and I'd like to think people know I don't act like a tool. They may not always agree with my opinions but one thing I don't do is come here and try to incite anyone by posting bullstuff or things of that nature. That's why I was so surprised my comments were taken the way they were. But if people thought I crossed a line, I apologize. It certainly wasn't my intent. I just have some real concerns about Austin going forward based on what transpired last night. Hopefully, a week of practice with the starters with help Kitna get on the same page with Austin but it's safe to say he's no longer a Must Start WR like he was before. He comes with risk now at least until we see more of what Kitna can do. I think everyone can agree on that. Anyway, thanks again.

Your post and bump yesterday was legit so don't take offense to what others on here are saying. I somewhat disagree with you about Austin's value though. I agree with MOP that after Kitna gets some practice time with the first team, it won't take long for him to get on the same page with Austin. Kitna is a veteran and not a terrible qb. He will take advantage of his weapons and Austin is his biggest weapon. You may not see it immediately but I think he will be a # 1 wr within a week or two. This team will keep throwing regardless of who is at qb.

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