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Missouri football player Michael Sam is gay
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LinusMarr
Footballguy
I am not Mel Kiper, Jr. I have no idea the depth of the draft and the needs of the teams. I proposed a fair bet, take it or leave it,You want to bet on a round now and put your money where your mouth is or not? If not then (please) shut the hell up.How the heck can they factor that in? He is going to be judged by his performance in combines and he will be slotted based on his skills/performance, The projection is not going to factor in his gayness. His actual draft position will be a about 1/2 round better then scouts project..No because his coming out will be factored into what. Tell me where you think he will go now because of all the teams will be tripping over themselves to be PC enough to have the first gay player? What round to you want to bet on now?$100....we get an average draft projection from several sources a couple weeks prior to the draft and see where he goes. If it is +/-10 spots it is a push.Fine, bump this thread after the draft to show how coming out improved his draft position.
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squistion
Footballguy
True, you are wrong_mx who knows damn well coming out will not make him a shoe-in 1st or 2nd round pick by teams who just want to be PC, but you won't put any money on it now.I am not Mel Kiper, Jr. I have no idea the depth of the draft and the needs of the teams. I proposed a fair bet, take it or leave it,You want to bet on a round now and put your money where your mouth is or not? If not then (please) shut the hell up.How the heck can they factor that in? He is going to be judged by his performance in combines and he will be slotted based on his skills/performance, The projection is not going to factor in his gayness. His actual draft position will be a about 1/2 round better then scouts project..No because his coming out will be factored into what. Tell me where you think he will go now because of all the teams will be tripping over themselves to be PC enough to have the first gay player? What round to you want to bet on now?$100....we get an average draft projection from several sources a couple weeks prior to the draft and see where he goes. If it is +/-10 spots it is a push.Fine, bump this thread after the draft to show how coming out improved his draft position.
Based on his draft projection of today somewhere in the fourth, I say he goes prior to the 4th.True, you are wrong_mx who knows damn well coming out will not make him a shoe-in 1st or 2nd round pick by teams who just want to be PC, but you won't put any money on it now.I am not Mel Kiper, Jr. I have no idea the depth of the draft and the needs of the teams. I proposed a fair bet, take it or leave it,You want to bet on a round now and put your money where your mouth is or not? If not then (please) shut the hell up.How the heck can they factor that in? He is going to be judged by his performance in combines and he will be slotted based on his skills/performance, The projection is not going to factor in his gayness. His actual draft position will be a about 1/2 round better then scouts project..No because his coming out will be factored into what. Tell me where you think he will go now because of all the teams will be tripping over themselves to be PC enough to have the first gay player? What round to you want to bet on now?$100....we get an average draft projection from several sources a couple weeks prior to the draft and see where he goes. If it is +/-10 spots it is a push.Fine, bump this thread after the draft to show how coming out improved his draft position.
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
I'll bet Freeman officially comes out this week so he can claim the title of first openly gay NFL player.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
I wish the world were like that. Because it isn't, props to him for coming out, if nothing else but publicity.Straight/gay/bi , who cares if he likes poosay or trouser snakeThis displeases you somehow?
Good for him.
squistion
Footballguy
That is isn't what you were saying before.
If you still want to bet he goes in the 2nd, I am game. Not surprising you want to move the goalposts when you have to put your money where your mouth is.
2nd rounder for $100 like you said? A team would wants to look PC and have the first gay play should be willing to take him early, right?
I was taking a posters word that he was a third round projection. Mel Kiper an unbiased and legitimate source has him going in the 4th. If you don't want to take it, #### off #####
Fennis
Footballguy
One exec said the league will be ready for an openly gay player in:
any guesses?
1-2 decades
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Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Here are a few lists I found:No because his coming out will be factored into what. Tell me where you think he will go now because of all the teams will be tripping over themselves to be PC enough to have the first gay player? What round do you want to bet on now?$100....we get an average draft projection from several sources a couple weeks prior to the draft and see where he goes. If it is +/-10 spots it is a push.Fine, bump this thread after the draft to show how coming out improved his draft position.That is what the idiots say, but I usually end up being right and all the #######s forget about it.
Drafttek.com: #84
WalterFootball: #57
CBSSports: ranked #90 overall
HellToupee
Footballguy
I hope this isn't going to be the insufferable Tebowites part 2
he got drafted too high because he's gay
drafted too low because he's gay
he's not getting a fair shake etc.
he got drafted too high because he's gay
drafted too low because he's gay
he's not getting a fair shake etc.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
You need to bet post combine... That #### always shakes these projections up big time.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
You need to pick 3 analysts (Kiper, McShay, & one more) take their first post combine numbers, average out the 3 and over/under... Best way to do it from a bystanders POV with no personal interest.
Make sure we don't have any Dr Gobblers in here either.
squistion
Footballguy
Same to you. You said this elevates his draft stock and he is worth more than if he were straight. If you still believe that, put your money up that he will be taken by the 2nd instead of ballpark of where he was thought to go before.
You say being PC drives his draft stock way up. Make the bet based on your original late 2nd prediction, or just go away.
Between that and Mel Kiper's 4th round project, it seems the consensus is about late 3rd or 4th round. The best I can do is the 75th pick or before.....Here are a few lists I found:No because his coming out will be factored into what. Tell me where you think he will go now because of all the teams will be tripping over themselves to be PC enough to have the first gay player? What round do you want to bet on now?$100....we get an average draft projection from several sources a couple weeks prior to the draft and see where he goes. If it is +/-10 spots it is a push.Fine, bump this thread after the draft to show how coming out improved his draft position.That is what the idiots say, but I usually end up being right and all the #######s forget about it.
Drafttek.com: #84
WalterFootball: #57
CBSSports: ranked #90 overall
HellToupee
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
funny how annonymous gms are always so wrong
http://deadspin.com/heres-how-the-nfl-reacted-to-michael-sam-coming-out-1519612068?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
about 10-20 tweets from active and current players applauding him and saying that it's about time for this to happen. i bet this ends up being much ado about nothing when all is said and done.
Gawain
Footballguy
I think it's a shame that in 2014 this is a news story, though I understand why it is.
I think he had to get ahead of the story because it wasn't a closely kept secret. Put it to bed now and get most of the hoopla over with.
If he runs a 4.55, teams won't care if he's Liberace. If he runs a 4.85, it wouldn't matter if he had nightly romps with Taylor Swift, Brooklyn Decker and Sarah Jessica Parker.
I think he had to get ahead of the story because it wasn't a closely kept secret. Put it to bed now and get most of the hoopla over with.
If he runs a 4.55, teams won't care if he's Liberace. If he runs a 4.85, it wouldn't matter if he had nightly romps with Taylor Swift, Brooklyn Decker and Sarah Jessica Parker.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Why would teams be tripping over themselves to draft a player 1-2 rounds ahead of where he would otherwise be drafted? Don't just say because the NFL is PC. Actually play it out for me. Your assertion is that there will be multiple teams with GMs and coaching staff that will draft a player who is inferior to a whole round or two of players on the board because the player is openly gay. What is the thinking there? Is it your contention that they'll draft an inferior player because they think that they'll sell more tickets? More merchandise?
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Ministry of Pain
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Can someone explain why DADT isn't acceptable for the NFL? I mean it seems to be a hard hitting issue for a lot of players and I think we all know that if you have openly gay players calling attention to themselves and the lifestyle that suddenly the locker rooms will take on a different feel.
There seems to be a certain segment of the population that will not rest until they have turned the NFL inside out and abiding by the same rules we all live by at our routine daily jobs. It's a privilege to be in the NFL, very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very few men on this planet get a chance to play professional football so why do we have to go thru all this? Why can't it be enough that to play in the NFL, the powers that be are not asking your sexual preference and in return you don't need to tell everyone who you sleep with?
There seems to be a certain segment of the population that will not rest until they have turned the NFL inside out and abiding by the same rules we all live by at our routine daily jobs. It's a privilege to be in the NFL, very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very few men on this planet get a chance to play professional football so why do we have to go thru all this? Why can't it be enough that to play in the NFL, the powers that be are not asking your sexual preference and in return you don't need to tell everyone who you sleep with?
Didnt the bucs draft a paralyzed player?
I dont find it hard to believe a team would draft him significantly earlier than he should go for the positive press.
Gawain
Footballguy
Probably because DADT was one of the dumber laws ever. Also, DADT was still discriminatory based on sexual preference.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Because forcing people to live their lives in the closet is unfair and immoral.
T Bell
Footballguy
This can only hurt him. He's not going to get drafted before where he would have been. Draft picks are too precious and highly drafted rookies are too expensive to think of anything other than whether the player can play.
At best he'll get drafted where he would have otherwise, but that's going to be with both an ownership that'll embrace this issue along with the surrounding fan base, and a coaching staff that doesn't mind what will inevitably be a circus. I could see a team like the Giants going for this at the ownership level, though I'm not sure how welcoming Coughlin would be.
At best he'll get drafted where he would have otherwise, but that's going to be with both an ownership that'll embrace this issue along with the surrounding fan base, and a coaching staff that doesn't mind what will inevitably be a circus. I could see a team like the Giants going for this at the ownership level, though I'm not sure how welcoming Coughlin would be.
squistion
Footballguy
Gawain
Footballguy
Wouldn't the NFL trying to implement a DADT type of law also be illegal? Gays are a protected class. A workplace couldn't enforce any sort of law where only heterosexual people could talk about their significant others.
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funny how annonymous gms are always so wrong
http://deadspin.com/heres-how-the-nfl-reacted-to-michael-sam-coming-out-1519612068?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
about 10-20 tweets from active and current players applauding him and saying that it's about time for this to happen. i bet this ends up being much ado about nothing when all is said and done.
How are the GM's wrong? Last I checked Deangelo Williams doesn't make the draft picks for the Panthers.
bigbottom
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/si_peterking/status/432722481087279104
Peter King says one GM thinks he won't get drafted but DeWilliams and the Colts goofy punter applaud him so it's great for his draft stock.
It shouldn't matter that he's gay but it will.
Peter King says one GM thinks he won't get drafted but DeWilliams and the Colts goofy punter applaud him so it's great for his draft stock.
It shouldn't matter that he's gay but it will.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Immoral to who? And forced to live in a closet?
It's a privilege to be able to play in the NFL.
Let's assume for a second BB that the NFL does the wrong thing and the kid isn't drafted or is quietly cut during preseason. There are no new rules or laws that will be made to govern this. It still is gonna be the unspoken DADT and while it might not sit well with many including yourself, I'm not sure it would actually change anything other than some folks in the media making it a big story for a while. Now if the kid somehow makes a roster and became an impact player, obviously the stakes change at that point.
Does the NFL need to generate some kind of new rules and make it very public meaning full blown press conferences and an overhaul publicly of their policies? Do you think the NFL needs rule changes in regards to anything we're discussing in here?
bigbottom
Footballguy
People with morals.
I oppose the NFL implementing a formal rule that expressly prohibits known gay players from playing in the NFL. That is what DADT is and that is what you are proposing.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
So everyone who is A-OK with the UNWRITTEN DADT that seems to be prevalent in the NFL is immoral? You gonna throw everyone into that category?
I'm not proposing it, it's already in place but they are never gonna write it down, that would have an army of attorneys ready to attack.
Gawain
Footballguy
It's no more a privilege to work for an NFL team than it is to work at a grocery store or for a law firm.
@bigbottom For some reason I thought Windsor went further than it actually did in making sexual orientation a federally protected class.
To be that GM that put Jackie Robinson in a uniform. To make history. To create buzz. Yes, there will be gain financially and in status to be that guy. The guy will potentially have that top selling jersey.
HellToupee
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Dude got 11.5 sacks on the field last year and was SEC defensive player of the year - I'd say he will warrant a fairly high draft pick. If you watched any Mizzou football games, the guy is seemingly everywhere. For an offensive minded team, we have produced some pretty good defensive talent. Sean Weatherspoon, Will Moore, Aldon Smith, Justin Smith, and now Michael Sam.