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MJD To Get Starting Job In Jacksonville? (1 Viewer)

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From RotoWorld:

Fred Taylor admits that Maurice Jones-Drew's "time has come," but Taylor says he's not backing down from the challenge.

"I've always felt like the team was going to take the training wheels off [Drew] eventually," Taylor said. "... I'm going to go out and contribute to try to help this team the best I can, whether it's in a starting role or as a backup." To be clear, the Jags haven't announced a change in pecking order, but we're speculating that MJD could receive more consistent carries going forward. Dynasty leaguers especially should note that the Jags envision MJD as a feature back in the post-Taylor era.

Source: Florida Times Union

Related: Fred Taylor

 
I don't think that the Jags are ready to stop the RBBC. Doesn't really matter who starts the game.
It does if he starts getting 15-18 carries per week instead of 10-12.
Yeah... but people have been saying this since MJD was drafted. Their OL has been down, and they have only played two games this year against bad run defenses. They both had very good games against Indy this year, and last week MJD did very good... but so would have Taylor if MJD went down.
 
I don't think that the Jags are ready to stop the RBBC. Doesn't really matter who starts the game.
It does if he starts getting 15-18 carries per week instead of 10-12.
Yeah... but people have been saying this since MJD was drafted. Their OL has been down, and they have only played two games this year against bad run defenses. They both had very good games against Indy this year, and last week MJD did very good... but so would have Taylor if MJD went down.
I watched them both this year and need to disagree. As a Fred owner you may need a reality check.People have been saying that since MJD was drafted because it's true.Their OL is going to be the best it's been so far coming out of the bye now that Meester will be back. Taylor looked pretty ineffective even before he got hurt 2 weeks ago to me. :no:
 
MJD has looked a lot better than Taylor this year.

I think this may finally be the changing of the guard MJD owners have been waiting for.

 
One positive: Jags get Meester back this week.

After reading the article, it doesn't make me think too much will change. Taylor's just acknowledging Drew's talent & selflessness.

But man, Drew's value skyrockets if he did get a full load instead of 9-12 touches a game.

 
From RotoWorld:

Fred Taylor admits that Maurice Jones-Drew's "time has come," but Taylor says he's not backing down from the challenge.

"I've always felt like the team was going to take the training wheels off [Drew] eventually," Taylor said. "... I'm going to go out and contribute to try to help this team the best I can, whether it's in a starting role or as a backup." To be clear, the Jags haven't announced a change in pecking order, but we're speculating that MJD could receive more consistent carries going forward. Dynasty leaguers especially should note that the Jags envision MJD as a feature back in the post-Taylor era.

Source: Florida Times Union

Related: Fred Taylor
Nothing in the quote indicates what the writer speculates... you could dig up quotes like this from last season and before this season. Taylor is a team player, that's all.
 
Nothing in the quote indicates what the writer speculates... you could dig up quotes like this from last season and before this season. Taylor is a team player, that's all.
Agreed.However, Taylor has certainly looked a step slow this season. Going the route of Shaun Alexander maybe?
 
From RotoWorld:

Fred Taylor admits that Maurice Jones-Drew's "time has come," but Taylor says he's not backing down from the challenge.

"I've always felt like the team was going to take the training wheels off [Drew] eventually," Taylor said. "... I'm going to go out and contribute to try to help this team the best I can, whether it's in a starting role or as a backup." To be clear, the Jags haven't announced a change in pecking order, but we're speculating that MJD could receive more consistent carries going forward. Dynasty leaguers especially should note that the Jags envision MJD as a feature back in the post-Taylor era.

Source: Florida Times Union

Related: Fred Taylor
Nothing in the quote indicates what the writer speculates... you could dig up quotes like this from last season and before this season. Taylor is a team player, that's all.
Typical Rotoworld...
 
Almost everyone has agreed for some time now that MJD should be the #1RB in Jax, and now even Fred himself agrees. Del Rio would be an idiot to not take advantage of this opportunity to hand the keys over to MJD. Taylor's apparent willingness to accept the role of back up is huge as far as PR, and fan approval goes. No one will be offended, no one will question it, it makes perfect sense. Try to get MJD 20 carries, use Fred as the breather back, and watch the offense improve. If Del Rio does not give MJD the lions share of carries this week, and the Jags lose, he'll have a lot of explaining to do to Fred, MJD, the fans and the team. He could create a RB controversy, and resentment where it isn't necessary.

 
From RotoWorld:

Fred Taylor admits that Maurice Jones-Drew's "time has come," but Taylor says he's not backing down from the challenge.

"I've always felt like the team was going to take the training wheels off [Drew] eventually," Taylor said. "... I'm going to go out and contribute to try to help this team the best I can, whether it's in a starting role or as a backup." To be clear, the Jags haven't announced a change in pecking order, but we're speculating that MJD could receive more consistent carries going forward. Dynasty leaguers especially should note that the Jags envision MJD as a feature back in the post-Taylor era.

Source: Florida Times Union

Related: Fred Taylor
Nothing in the quote indicates what the writer speculates... you could dig up quotes like this from last season and before this season. Taylor is a team player, that's all.
I agree that it's specualtion, but it's educated speculation. When Taylor says things like this, it makes it easier for Del Rio to hand the keys over to MJD without creating any controversy. It's almost like Taylor's giving Del Rio permission, and with every passing day the switch becomes more and more likely. This really does appear to be the perfect time to make the move.
 
From RotoWorld:

Fred Taylor admits that Maurice Jones-Drew's "time has come," but Taylor says he's not backing down from the challenge.

"I've always felt like the team was going to take the training wheels off [Drew] eventually," Taylor said. "... I'm going to go out and contribute to try to help this team the best I can, whether it's in a starting role or as a backup." To be clear, the Jags haven't announced a change in pecking order, but we're speculating that MJD could receive more consistent carries going forward. Dynasty leaguers especially should note that the Jags envision MJD as a feature back in the post-Taylor era.

Source: Florida Times Union

Related: Fred Taylor
Nothing in the quote indicates what the writer speculates... you could dig up quotes like this from last season and before this season. Taylor is a team player, that's all.
I disagree. Taylor is quoted as saying a backup role is a possibility. Maybe he's talking about next year or maybe he's talking about this week. I agree that part is speculation but when the current starting RB starts referring to himself as taking the backup role that's worth monitoring in my opinion.
 
From RotoWorld:

Fred Taylor admits that Maurice Jones-Drew's "time has come," but Taylor says he's not backing down from the challenge.

"I've always felt like the team was going to take the training wheels off [Drew] eventually," Taylor said. "... I'm going to go out and contribute to try to help this team the best I can, whether it's in a starting role or as a backup." To be clear, the Jags haven't announced a change in pecking order, but we're speculating that MJD could receive more consistent carries going forward. Dynasty leaguers especially should note that the Jags envision MJD as a feature back in the post-Taylor era.

Source: Florida Times Union

Related: Fred Taylor
Nothing in the quote indicates what the writer speculates... you could dig up quotes like this from last season and before this season. Taylor is a team player, that's all.
Typical Rotoworld...
:confused: What did they do wrong here? They say they're "speculating" and he "could" get more consistent carries. And did you miss the "to be clear" part?

 
From RotoWorld:

Fred Taylor admits that Maurice Jones-Drew's "time has come," but Taylor says he's not backing down from the challenge.

"I've always felt like the team was going to take the training wheels off [Drew] eventually," Taylor said. "... I'm going to go out and contribute to try to help this team the best I can, whether it's in a starting role or as a backup." To be clear, the Jags haven't announced a change in pecking order, but we're speculating that MJD could receive more consistent carries going forward. Dynasty leaguers especially should note that the Jags envision MJD as a feature back in the post-Taylor era.

Source: Florida Times Union

Related: Fred Taylor
Nothing in the quote indicates what the writer speculates... you could dig up quotes like this from last season and before this season. Taylor is a team player, that's all.
Typical Rotoworld...
:confused: What did they do wrong here? They say they're "speculating" and he "could" get more consistent carries. And did you miss the "to be clear" part?
I didn't say they did anything wrong. It is speculative just as many of their other blurbs are. I guess I'm just not going to get too excited over another speculative rotoworld blurb.
 
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What's wrong with RotoWorld speculating? That's their job as a fantasy site - to provide their analysis and speculation to help fantasy players make decisions. I don't see the problem there.

 
The next three weeks opponents for the Jags are the Browns, Bengals, and Lions. There is no better time than right now to make a move to play MJD more.

 
This probably has more to do with Taylor's mild concussion the previous game. He knows his career is winding down and is thinking about his safety for his final seasons. I'm not saying he's throwing in the towel-- he still has a lot to contribute. But an injury like that probably gets a vet thinking, and maybe Taylor's being philosophical about his role.

Or maybe they're changing things up during the bye week. I still think we'll see plenty of Taylor on the field.

 
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Makes no difference to me as I start MJD every week anyway, but should he get a boost in touches his value will reach his hype.

 
Makes no difference to me as I start MJD every week anyway, but should he get a boost in touches his value will reach his hype.
The trifecta of the Browns, Bengals, and Lions and MJD simply cannot be overstated. Jags are a dedicated running team, Drew is 100% healthy, just off a bye, they are on a playoff push and Matt Jones is on suspension (further narrowing the red zone options). He could easily have 6 additional TDs from the next three games.
 
I don't think that the Jags are ready to stop the RBBC. Doesn't really matter who starts the game.
Then why didn't they do that against Denver after Taylor went down following his 3rd carry of the game? Outside of Garrard, Greg Jones had 1 carry the entire game (and that was early in the 2nd Quarter). If RBBC was what they intended, they could have done it with Greg Jones. They chose not.
 
Nothing in the quote indicates what the writer speculates... you could dig up quotes like this from last season and before this season. Taylor is a team player, that's all.
Agreed.However, Taylor has certainly looked a step slow this season. Going the route of Shaun Alexander maybe?
this is off-topic, but as a jags fan and a fred taylor fan, i found this very offensive.freddy may lose a step, but he will never employ shaun alexander's "light in the loafers" running style. he will never be called "good at avoiding the big hit".

when healthy and in their primes, alexander wasn't fit to hold freddy's jock strap. the same will remain true as both are past their primes.

to the original topic:

it doesn't sound like any change is eminent. if it were, MJD's value would have to go up some, but not a ton. really, it would just make him a bit more consistent.

 
Even when you only include games in which MJD's logged 20+ touches he's averaging more than a full FF point per touch (PPR).

Another 5-10 touches would be enormous.

Taylor's almost 33, so it's already unusual that he's been so good for so long. And whether it's Week 8 or 2009 MJD's on the doorstep of big things.

 
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Even when you only include games in which MJD's logged 20+ touches he's averaging more than a full FF point per touch.Another 5-10 touches would be enormous.Taylor's almost 33, so it's already unusual that he's been so good for so long. And whether it's Week 8 or 2009 MJD's on the doorstep of big things.
:shrug: That's a pretty spooky stat.
 
Nothing in the quote indicates what the writer speculates... you could dig up quotes like this from last season and before this season. Taylor is a team player, that's all.
Agreed.However, Taylor has certainly looked a step slow this season. Going the route of Shaun Alexander maybe?
this is off-topic, but as a jags fan and a fred taylor fan, i found this very offensive.freddy may lose a step, but he will never employ shaun alexander's "light in the loafers" running style. he will never be called "good at avoiding the big hit".

when healthy and in their primes, alexander wasn't fit to hold freddy's jock strap. the same will remain true as both are past their primes.

to the original topic:

it doesn't sound like any change is eminent. if it were, MJD's value would have to go up some, but not a ton. really, it would just make him a bit more consistent.
:shrug:
 
:towelwave: :pickle:

Knew this would come. #1 reason why I drafted him. Either by injury or by skill MJD would be the featured back.

And they should do it. When he has a big game they win. Why not give him the ball more?

 
Nothing in the quote indicates what the writer speculates... you could dig up quotes like this from last season and before this season. Taylor is a team player, that's all.
Agreed.However, Taylor has certainly looked a step slow this season. Going the route of Shaun Alexander maybe?
this is off-topic, but as a jags fan and a fred taylor fan, i found this very offensive.freddy may lose a step, but he will never employ shaun alexander's "light in the loafers" running style. he will never be called "good at avoiding the big hit".

when healthy and in their primes, alexander wasn't fit to hold freddy's jock strap. the same will remain true as both are past their primes.

to the original topic:

it doesn't sound like any change is eminent. if it were, MJD's value would have to go up some, but not a ton. really, it would just make him a bit more consistent.
:towelwave:
Shaun Alexander route!?!?!?!The guy is a potential HOFer... Alexander is a bum. Wow... that's like saying Brady is going the Culpepper route...

 
Taylor still runs hard but he definitely looks like he's lost a step or two compared to last season. If he can't get anything going against the Browns this week, I think the Jaguars will need to think long and hard about giving the starting job to MJD and making Taylor a backup who gets 5-6 carries a game to keep Jones-Drew fresh.

 
this is off-topic, but as a jags fan and a fred taylor fan, i found this very offensive.freddy may lose a step, but he will never employ shaun alexander's "light in the loafers" running style. he will never be called "good at avoiding the big hit". when healthy and in their primes, alexander wasn't fit to hold freddy's jock strap. the same will remain true as both are past their primes.to the original topic:it doesn't sound like any change is eminent. if it were, MJD's value would have to go up some, but not a ton. really, it would just make him a bit more consistent.
With apologies, it wasn't meant to be offensive, nor was it meant to compare their running/playing styles.Was meant to insinuate that Taylor may have aged very quickly from 07 to 08 and is simply no longer effective just as Alexander went from MVP to also ran in the course of a single season.I absolutely agree that Taylor is a stud in every respect.
 
What's wrong with RotoWorld speculating? That's their job as a fantasy site - to provide their analysis and speculation to help fantasy players make decisions. I don't see the problem there.
I think the quote from rotoworld is significant in that this is the first time I've ever heard Fred Taylor talk about accepting a role as MJD’s back-up. That certainly falls in line with Del Rio’s public acknowledgement earlier this offseason, that at some point Jones-Drew would be getting more and Taylor would start taking on a lesser role as Freddie’s skills begin to diminish. Regardless of Taylor's comments and/or Rotoworld's 'take' on what may transpire from here on out, all evidence continues to point towards MJD getting more touches. He is their best offensive weapon, and a Jaguars team that began the season as a Superbowl contender, but is now sitting at .500 and looking up in the divisional standings at an undefeated Tennessee Titans squad, can hardly afford to leave their best weapons on the bench, no matter how illustrious Taylor's career has been up to this point in time.

 
Alexander wasn't a bum until his production fell off a table. The drop was precipitous.

I can see the correlation between he and Fred. And it's a legit comparison. Wheels seem to be coming off in a hurry for Fred, for whatever reason, just like they did for Alexander.

As far as comparing the two....Taylor and Alexander's career numbers aren't that far apart from each other, with the exception of TDs where Alexander dwarf's Taylor's total. Alex did his damage in 30 or so less starts so far as well. Trying to frame the argument with "if healthy and in their primes" is moot. Fred wasn't healthy for his entire "prime" and both look like smacked a@$#s now. No dog in this fight either way, I'm just sayin'.

 
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MJD would be a Top 3 RB with 20+ touches a game.

Del Rio said a couple of weeks ago that the Jags needed to get the ball to MJD more.

It is natural to get Drew the majority of touches and spell him with Taylor.

 
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Alexander wasn't a bum until his production fell off a table. The drop was precipitous.

I can see the correlation between he and Fred. And it's a legit comparison. Wheels seem to be coming off in a hurry for Fred, for whatever reason, just like they did for Alexander.

As far as comparing the two....Taylor and Alexander's career numbers aren't that far apart from each other, with the exception of TDs where Alexander dwarf's Taylor's total. Alex did his damage in 30 or so less starts so far as well. Trying to frame the argument with "if healthy and in their primes" is moot. Fred wasn't healthy for his entire "prime" and both look like smacked a@$#s now. No dog in this fight either way, I'm just sayin'.
Fred Taylor: 7 1000+ yard seasonsShaun Alexander: 5 1000+ yard seasons

Fred Taylor: 10,947 career rushing yards

Shaun Alexander: 9437 career rushing yards

.

The big one:

Fred Taylor: NFL starter for 11 straight years (maybe 10/11 because of 1 season due to injury)

Shaun Alexander: NFL starter for 5 straight years before tailing off...

Guess I'm failing to see the comparison? If you ask me, Alexander's "wheels came off" about half the seasons that it took Fragile Freddy too... and he was banged up throughout his career! One would expect Taylor's "wheels to come off" faster than Alexander who had a healthy career in his "prime"

Conclusion: Alexander is a bum when compared to Taylor. His stats are heavily inflated due to one 27 TD season. One can only imagine what Fred Taylor may have been able to do in his career if he was healthy for all 16 games of all 11 seasons... wow

And in all honesty, I'm not one who is real high on Fred Taylor, but I do pay respect where it's due

 
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What's wrong with RotoWorld speculating? That's their job as a fantasy site - to provide their analysis and speculation to help fantasy players make decisions. I don't see the problem there.
I think the quote from rotoworld is significant in that this is the first time I've ever heard Fred Taylor talk about accepting a role as MJD’s back-up. That certainly falls in line with Del Rio’s public acknowledgement earlier this offseason, that at some point Jones-Drew would be getting more and Taylor would start taking on a lesser role as Freddie’s skills begin to diminish. Regardless of Taylor's comments and/or Rotoworld's 'take' on what may transpire from here on out, all evidence continues to point towards MJD getting more touches. He is their best offensive weapon, and a Jaguars team that began the season as a Superbowl contender, but is now sitting at .500 and looking up in the divisional standings at an undefeated Tennessee Titans squad, can hardly afford to leave their best weapons on the bench, no matter how illustrious Taylor's career has been up to this point in time.
I am a huge fan of the Jags, and Fred saying this definitely means something. There has a been a lot of mutual respect between these two players for both the way MJD has been humble and rooted for Fred, and for the way Fred has taken him under his wing and showed him some of the aspects of the RB position. I would guess they are friends, and I think this is just Fred proferring the same respect MJD has shown him the last two years. MJD has earned the starting nod, and I think Fred is just acknowledging the fact. Whether Del Rio agrees is another matter entirely.

I had a feeling after the last game that MJD would be named the starter. If you watched him play, he was trying to put the whole game on his shoulders and carry the team. I know there are fantasy haters, but as a football player, he is one of the very best in the league.

 
MJD would be a Top 3 RB with 20+ touches a game.Del Rio said a couple of weeks ago that the Jags needed to get the ball to MJD more.It is natural to get Drew the majority of touches and spell him with Taylor.
Top-3? I like MJD a lot, but that seems pretty optimistic to me.
 
I am a huge fan of the Jags, and Fred saying this definitely means something. There has a been a lot of mutual respect between these two players for both the way MJD has been humble and rooted for Fred, and for the way Fred has taken him under his wing and showed him some of the aspects of the RB position. I would guess they are friends, and I think this is just Fred proferring the same respect MJD has shown him the last two years. MJD has earned the starting nod, and I think Fred is just acknowledging the fact. Whether Del Rio agrees is another matter entirely.I had a feeling after the last game that MJD would be named the starter. If you watched him play, he was trying to put the whole game on his shoulders and carry the team. I know there are fantasy haters, but as a football player, he is one of the very best in the league.
MJD is one of my all time favorites and he is only 23 yrs. old. I am simply amazed at how he does everything the right way on and off the field. He plays the RB position as well as just about anyone I've ever seen, and not only with toughness and heart, but with an exuberance and love for the game that is contagious. He has earned the respect of his coaches, teammates, and even Fred Taylor who is an NFL great and a team leader in his own right. So I agree with you that this quote 'definitely means something'. Maybe the coaching staff took some time over the bye week to sit down with Taylor and talk about Jones-Drew getting a bigger piece of the pie going forward. This is what I'm guessing...
 
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The FFers not recognizing the potential value here are missing the boat, IMO. Without looking, MJD has led the league in FF points-per-touches (or very close) since entering the league (at least among RBs with a meaningful number of touches). And he's done that averaging 13.6 touches a game. What's more interesting is his FF production when he gets at least 20 touches. MJD has received 20 touches six times in his career. In those games, he's averaged almost 25 points in PPR leagues & over 21 in non-PPR leagues.

I believe you're making a HUGE mistake if you don't think those extra 7+ touches will make a difference. MJD, the feature back, has the potential to be the #1 RB in FF (in either format). The question is can he average 20 touches a game from here on out (in his career). This might be Taylor's last year with the Jags, maybe not. Eventually, tho, I don't believe there's any doubt MJD will be their feature back. My guess is no later than the start of the '09 season. This guy could be an absolute monster for the next half-dozen years or so (MJD won't turn 30 until after the 2014 season).

 
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Dont every one forget that last game Freddy had his Third concussion and has to now wear a speacial helmet to play. Definetly after you have your third concusion and your 33 you have to think about life after football. Major props to Freddy Taylor. He was my first RB and I rode him for years. I think he is one of the greats and if he does become the backup its been a great carear for a great player! . And who better for him to hand the keys to then Little Hercules who Freddy actualyl really likes .

 
last chance to by low on MJD IMO

I don't think he'll keep Taylor on the sidelines but hopefully he'll see an increased workload

bring on the Bengals and Lions

 
last chance to by low on MJD IMO

I don't think he'll keep Taylor on the sidelines but hopefully he'll see an increased workload

bring on the Bengals and Lions
we've been saying that for 2+ years now
The difference is the past two seasons Taylor was deserving of having a large role offensively. That isn't the case anymore. He's awful and shouldn't be getting more than 4-5 carries a game.
 
last chance to by low on MJD IMO

I don't think he'll keep Taylor on the sidelines but hopefully he'll see an increased workload

bring on the Bengals and Lions
we've been saying that for 2+ years now
The difference is the past two seasons Taylor was deserving of having a large role offensively. That isn't the case anymore. He's awful and shouldn't be getting more than 4-5 carries a game.
that is a good point
 
last chance to by low on MJD IMO

I don't think he'll keep Taylor on the sidelines but hopefully he'll see an increased workload

bring on the Bengals and Lions
we've been saying that for 2+ years now
The difference is the past two seasons Taylor was deserving of having a large role offensively. That isn't the case anymore. He's awful and shouldn't be getting more than 4-5 carries a game.
Maybe you are forgetting last year? Last year... Taylor wasn't doing anything through the first 10 games. He didn't have a single 100 yard game to that point, and only 1 touchdown... which came in week 9. Yet... he finished out the year with 5 games over 100 yards, and a crazy YPC average during those games... along with 4 touchdowns in those 5 games. Maybe the organization just doesn't forget as easily as some other people? Even with Taylor's horrible 10 game stretch to start the season last year, he ended the season with over 1200 yds rushing and a 5.4 YPC. This year... Taylor has battled a couple injuries, and already has one game of over 100 yards. What Taylor needs is MORE carries. It's hard to get anything going when you are only getting 10 carries a game. He only has one game over 20 carries, and he got 121 yards. MJD isn't doing jack with most of the handoffs that he has gotten this year as well. He just gets better opportunities. He gets most of the passing work, and gets the goaline work as well. He was just luckily able to pad his stats in one game against the horrible run defense against Denver after Taylor got hurt. Taylor could have easily had just as good of a game against them. Hell... their 3rd stringer probably could have knocked out that production against them.

 
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