MJD vs the Jets - low expectations? (1 Viewer)

[two_dollars]

I think benching him this week is a consideration IF you have 2 other solid options. He will be keyed all game. and with Revis taking out Sims-Walker. I don't think Garrard is good enough to keep them honest, nor do I think the OL is good enough to give him time. Yes they will still feed MJD the ball, but the Jags seiously lose time of possession and thus less offensive plays. Add in how fast Del Rio has been to abandon the run and this could be his worst game of the year. I don't see multiple trips to paydirt for MJD, in fact, he'd be lucky to get 1. 50yds rushing, 4 catches for 40yds, 0 td's is what I see for him this week.

 

[Kuz]

I think benching him this week is a consideration IF you have 2 other solid options. He will be keyed all game. and with Revis taking out Sims-Walker. I don't think Garrard is good enough to keep them honest, nor do I think the OL is good enough to give him time. Yes they will still feed MJD the ball, but the Jags seiously lose time of possession and thus less offensive plays. Add in how fast Del Rio has been to abandon the run and this could be his worst game of the year. I don't see multiple trips to paydirt for MJD, in fact, he'd be lucky to get 1. 50yds rushing, 4 catches for 40yds, 0 td's is what I see for him this week.

Not sure how you can bench him but I suppose if you have two other options like Gore & Ronnie Brown then sure.. But in most leagues MJD is a must start..

 

[FantasyTrader]

You may be right. I'm still sitting Gore vs. Tennessee for him. No way in he** I'm benching Ray Rice against the Browns for either of them. Tough call because with both MJD and Gore, it only takes one play to being WAY wrong.

 

[Knight who says Ni]

Whoa, I forgot about Revis vs. Sims-Walker .... hmmm, I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe I need to bench MSW

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

MJD matchups and performances to date.

wk 1 vs INDY (#14 vs rush) 18pts

wk 2 vs ARI (#3) 8pts

wk 3 vs HOU (#16) 32pts

wk 4 vs TEN (#18) 10pts

wk 5 vs SEA (#11) 5pts

wk 6 vs STL (#27) 33pts

wk 8 vs TEN (#18) 29pts

wk 9 vs KC (#28) 19pts

I have other quality options to start with good matchups to boot (PT vs STL, Brown vs TB). I just don't think I can pull the trigger on benching a guy that leads the league in TDs, and is a threat to take it from anywhere on the field.

 

[PantherPower]

I am considering the same. Have Gore, AP, CJ3, and MJD in a dynasty league (no, its not 6 teams or a yahoo league) Its hard to ever bench a guy like MJD, but I think the Jets D is tough and will focus on him.

 

[Black]

I am considering the same. Have Gore, AP, CJ3, and MJD in a dynasty league (no, its not 6 teams or a yahoo league) Its hard to ever bench a guy like MJD, but I think the Jets D is tough and will focus on him.

What does Yahoo have to do with anything?

 

[C-Bound]

Considering spitting in the face of karma and benching him for R. Williams...I must be crazy...

 

[Wrigley]

I won't even put MJD on by bench mid-week for fear of pissing him off.

guy is the definition of STUD, and last I checked, YOU ALWAYS START YOUR STUDS

 

[frogpond11]

Gore..AP..MJD..Chris Johnson...all on the same team!! Good grief!!

Anyway....

I don't have any other solid options at RB for this week, so I'll be starting MJD vs the Jets and hoping for the best. I'm hoping for 80 total yards and a TD, I'd be happy with that vs the Jets. Here's a look at the Jets last 4 games versus RBs....

Week 5 vs Miami - Ronnie Brown and Williams combined for 142 yards on 32 carries(2 TDs), 4.44 yard average.

Week 6 vs Bills - Lynch and FJAX combined for 113 yards on 34 carries, 3.33 yard average.

Week 7 vs Oakland - Fargas and Bush combined for 92 yards on 16 carries, 5.75 yard average.

Week 8 vs Miami - Ronnie Brown and Williams combined for 54 yards on 19 carries, 2.85 yard average.

Sort of an up and down line of stats. Faced Miami twice and shut them down once...ran on them pretty well the other game. Oakland was able to put up a good ypc average on them though...even the Bills line wasn't too bad considering how bad that running game has been lately. Honestly, I think MJD is a good deal better than any of these RBs..so something in the middle of all this would be a reasonable expectation. If JAX can keep it close enough, I think MJD gets 20-25 carries with at least a 3.5 yard average...so something between 70-85 yards rushing with another 20-40 yards receiving...and hopefully a TD is reasonable.

For the season, the Jets have given up a 4.0 ypc average...215 carries for 865 yards...and 4 rushing TDs. One telling stat is that the longest run anyone has gotten on that D all year is 35 yards..so they don't give up very many big plays. But I think MJD will be able to average what the league is averaging on the Jets...so 4.0 might be a better number than my aforementioned 3.5.

Trying to trade one of my three stud WRs for a good #2 RB at the moment..targeting Rice.

 

[Godfather of Soul]

I won't even put MJD on by bench mid-week for fear of pissing him off. guy is the definition of STUD, and last I checked, YOU ALWAYS START YOUR STUDS

i did that with Big Ben over Cutler, now I am weeping in my beer.Should have gone matchup. Anyways, it's all ptts./shoots self

 

[FantasyTrader]

Good stuff frog.

 

[cubbie5150]

Can't bench him, and I envy the teams that can afford to do so. Just have to start him & hope he gets a couple goal line touches. Jets off the BYE at home...not feeling good about this one

 

[TLEF316]

Jets fan, but i still wont bench him. The guy is a stud and he's the only thing even remotely keeping me in the playoff hunt.

I think the jets will win the game and i dont think he'll have a big week. But i still think he'll be good enough to justify the start.

edit: without Jenkins in the lineup, the Jets run D is still good, but no longer elite.

 

[Silver & Black]

One thing I've learned over the years is to not over think things, especially based on match up issues. I learned this the hard way I believe when I benched AP when he played the Chargers and he went off for like 1000 yards!!

In short, I think you always play your studs, regardless of matchups. That's kind of what makes a stud a stud. Studs tend to rise up and relish the challenge of beating the best defenses, IMO.

Further, I don't think the Jets run defense is going to be the same without their nose tackle, who is out for the year. I live in NY and I think the Jets can be run on now. Also, I see MJD getting a lot of check downs and room to move in space, which is where he thrives.

I wouldn't bench MJD against the Jets, or any other defense for that matter. He's a stud, you gotta play him.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think benching him this week is a consideration IF you have 2 other solid options. He will be keyed all game. and with Revis taking out Sims-Walker. I don't think Garrard is good enough to keep them honest, nor do I think the OL is good enough to give him time. Yes they will still feed MJD the ball, but the Jags seiously lose time of possession and thus less offensive plays. Add in how fast Del Rio has been to abandon the run and this could be his worst game of the year. I don't see multiple trips to paydirt for MJD, in fact, he'd be lucky to get 1. 50yds rushing, 4 catches for 40yds, 0 td's is what I see for him this week.

Without Kris Jenkins clogging up the middle of the line, the Jets run defense is not the same.

 

[TenMidgets]

Why would you bench MJD ever? There are no better RBs in the game...stop over-analyzing it.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Why would you bench MJD ever? There are no better RBs in the game...stop over-analyzing it.

Now this is underanalyzing it. Nine times out of 10 I agree with you, but you're talking like he's in a tier of his own like Faulk and Tomlinson in their Haydays. There's easily a handful of RB's that are matchup considerations vs. MJD - and I'm as big a Jones-Drew backer as you'll find.

 

[Largie]

I'm debating starting Pierre vs Rams over MJD this week. I have a feeling after watching MJD pound it nearly 30 times for just under 100 yrds vs the CHIEFS....that this week he'll be held under 10 points. Pierre on the other hand might have 100 yrds by half time. They can`t get MJD involved as much in the passing game either with the fast LB`s they have in NY.

 

[identikit]

I'm debating starting Pierre vs Rams over MJD this week. I have a feeling after watching MJD pound it nearly 30 times for just under 100 yrds vs the CHIEFS....that this week he'll be held under 10 points. Pierre on the other hand might have 100 yrds by half time. They can`t get MJD involved as much in the passing game either with the fast LB`s they have in NY.

I'd play them both....

 

[Largie]

I'm debating starting Pierre vs Rams over MJD this week. I have a feeling after watching MJD pound it nearly 30 times for just under 100 yrds vs the CHIEFS....that this week he'll be held under 10 points. Pierre on the other hand might have 100 yrds by half time. They can`t get MJD involved as much in the passing game either with the fast LB`s they have in NY.

I'd play them both....

problem with that, I have Rice set vs the Browns.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I'm debating starting Pierre vs Rams over MJD this week. I have a feeling after watching MJD pound it nearly 30 times for just under 100 yrds vs the CHIEFS....that this week he'll be held under 10 points. Pierre on the other hand might have 100 yrds by half time. They can`t get MJD involved as much in the passing game either with the fast LB`s they have in NY.

I'd play them both....

problem with that, I have Rice set vs the Browns.

I've got the same debate. MJD vs Jets, PT vs STL, Ronnie vs TB. After personally watching Ryan Grant and Ahman Green tear apart the Tampa rush D (#30 in the league), I just have a hard time seeing Miami's rush offense not going off vs Tampa. So do I bench the #1 RB in the league vs a middling rush D in the Jets (#15), or do I bench the starting RB for the Saints vs the Rams (#26). Good spot to be in but I'm up against the #1 team in the league this week..

 

[benm3218]

Playing Pierre Thomas instead of MJD is just dumb.

 

[Rovers]

The Jets are very middle of the road in terms of giving up FF points to RB's, they are much tougher against QB's. Garrard has been worse than awful on the road. With Revis covering the rookie, I expect MJD to have a lot of carries, pushing 30.

The Jets are not likely to jump out to a lead, so JAX can stay with the ground game.

The Jets run D has not fallen off actually, with the loss of Jenkins, at least in terms of numbers. Ryan's adjustments so far have worked pretty well.

I'm starting MJD without hesitation.

 

[lyon812]

The Jets are very middle of the road in terms of giving up FF points to RB's, they are much tougher against QB's. Garrard has been worse than awful on the road. With Revis covering the rookie, I expect MJD to have a lot of carries, pushing 30.

The Jets are not likely to jump out to a lead, so JAX can stay with the ground game.

The Jets run D has not fallen off actually, with the loss of Jenkins, at least in terms of numbers. Ryan's adjustments so far have worked pretty well.

I'm starting MJD without hesitation.

Revis will probably be covering MSW, not either of the rookies when they're in. Regardless, MJD should be ok. I agree that the Jets aren't a horrible matchup.

 

[Rovers]

The Jets are very middle of the road in terms of giving up FF points to RB's, they are much tougher against QB's. Garrard has been worse than awful on the road. With Revis covering the rookie, I expect MJD to have a lot of carries, pushing 30.

The Jets are not likely to jump out to a lead, so JAX can stay with the ground game.

The Jets run D has not fallen off actually, with the loss of Jenkins, at least in terms of numbers. Ryan's adjustments so far have worked pretty well.

I'm starting MJD without hesitation.

Revis will probably be covering MSW, not either of the rookies when they're in. Regardless, MJD should be ok. I agree that the Jets aren't a horrible matchup.

Duh... my bad. I have to enbarrassingly admit I thought MSW WAS a rook. THE rookie, as I referred to him.

 

[teamroc]

The only thing MJD has to worry about is Rex Ryan eating him. Beyond that, I'd focus on the rest of your lineup this week.

 

[Silver & Black]

I thought it worthwhile to bump this thread to magnify my point about always starting your "stud" players and not overthinking the matchups.

MJD is a stud. As I said earlier in this thread, I would never consider benching him because of a matchup issue. Ever. He's a stud and I drafted him to be a stud. You gotta play your best players regardless of the matchups, they tend to rise up and play well against the better teams. Think how aweome his numbers would have been if he didn't take that knee on the 1 at the end of the game. Then the people who benched him would really be in the doldrums!!

Just my two cents.

 

[Jayrod]

Why would you bench MJD ever? There are no better RBs in the game...stop over-analyzing it.

Now this is underanalyzing it. Nine times out of 10 I agree with you, but you're talking like he's in a tier of his own like Faulk and Tomlinson in their Haydays. There's easily a handful of RB's that are matchup considerations vs. MJD - and I'm as big a Jones-Drew backer as you'll find.

The RB tiers areeterson

MJD

CJ

SJax

Gore

I wouldn't ever bench eny of these 5 unless it was for one of the other 5. No one else comes close to these guys this year regardless of matchup. MJD is very close to Faulk & Tomlinson. Peterson definitely is and MJD is right there behind him.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Why would you bench MJD ever? There are no better RBs in the game...stop over-analyzing it.

Now this is underanalyzing it. Nine times out of 10 I agree with you, but you're talking like he's in a tier of his own like Faulk and Tomlinson in their Haydays. There's easily a handful of RB's that are matchup considerations vs. MJD - and I'm as big a Jones-Drew backer as you'll find.

The RB tiers areeterson

MJD

CJ

SJax

Gore

I wouldn't ever bench eny of these 5 unless it was for one of the other 5. No one else comes close to these guys this year regardless of matchup. MJD is very close to Faulk & Tomlinson. Peterson definitely is and MJD is right there behind him.

Wrong. Rice, DeAngelo, (Turner, Brown, & Benson pre-injury) are easily worth considering the matchup with the 5 you mentioned.

 

[That Little Voice]

300 total yards and 4 Tds vs Buffalo this weekend.

Think JDR might reward MJD near the stripe this week for his unselfishness last week?

 

[frogpond11]

haha...300 total yards might be a bit much...but 4 TDs is definitely possible I think vs Buffalo. I do think his coach will reward him for "taking one for the team" last week. I'm expecting very big things this Sunday from MJD! I was very happy with his line vs the Jets last weekend as well

 

[Bayhawks]

Why would you bench MJD ever? There are no better RBs in the game...stop over-analyzing it.

Now this is underanalyzing it. Nine times out of 10 I agree with you, but you're talking like he's in a tier of his own like Faulk and Tomlinson in their Haydays. There's easily a handful of RB's that are matchup considerations vs. MJD - and I'm as big a Jones-Drew backer as you'll find.

The RB tiers areeterson

MJD

CJ

SJax

Gore

I wouldn't ever bench eny of these 5 unless it was for one of the other 5. No one else comes close to these guys this year regardless of matchup. MJD is very close to Faulk & Tomlinson. Peterson definitely is and MJD is right there behind him.

Wrong. Rice, DeAngelo, (Turner, Brown, & Benson pre-injury) are easily worth considering the matchup with the 5 you mentioned.

I agree that some of those RBs you mentioned (DeAngelo, Rice, Benson pre-injury) would be a reason to bench MJD if the matchup favored it. However, I think you are missing the point. Unless you are in a league that only starts 1 RB, you would have to have at least 2 of those other RBs, PLUS MJD. That's highly unlikely. That's the reason, IMO, that you "never bench your studs." You would have to have enough of these upper-tier stud RBs to consider benching MJD.

 

[munchkin]

Why would you bench MJD ever? There are no better RBs in the game...stop over-analyzing it.

Now this is underanalyzing it. Nine times out of 10 I agree with you, but you're talking like he's in a tier of his own like Faulk and Tomlinson in their Haydays. There's easily a handful of RB's that are matchup considerations vs. MJD - and I'm as big a Jones-Drew backer as you'll find.

The RB tiers areeterson

MJD

CJ

SJax

Gore

I wouldn't ever bench eny of these 5 unless it was for one of the other 5. No one else comes close to these guys this year regardless of matchup. MJD is very close to Faulk & Tomlinson. Peterson definitely is and MJD is right there behind him.

Wrong. Rice, DeAngelo, (Turner, Brown, & Benson pre-injury) are easily worth considering the matchup with the 5 you mentioned.

I agree that some of those RBs you mentioned (DeAngelo, Rice, Benson pre-injury) would be a reason to bench MJD if the matchup favored it. However, I think you are missing the point. Unless you are in a league that only starts 1 RB, you would have to have at least 2 of those other RBs, PLUS MJD. That's highly unlikely. That's the reason, IMO, that you "never bench your studs." You would have to have enough of these upper-tier stud RBs to consider benching MJD.

I benched MJD for Rice and Cj this weekend in a non-ppr league. Fortunately the 7 pts. didn't cost me a victory. However, had I played him AND he crossed the goal line I would have had high score for the week.

 

[Bayhawks]

I agree that some of those RBs you mentioned (DeAngelo, Rice, Benson pre-injury) would be a reason to bench MJD if the matchup favored it. However, I think you are missing the point. Unless you are in a league that only starts 1 RB, you would have to have at least 2 of those other RBs, PLUS MJD. That's highly unlikely. That's the reason, IMO, that you "never bench your studs." You would have to have enough of these upper-tier stud RBs to consider benching MJD.

I benched MJD for Rice and Cj this weekend in a non-ppr league. Fortunately the 7 pts. didn't cost me a victory. However, had I played him AND he crossed the goal line I would have had high score for the week.

This is the kind of line-up decision that would justify benching MJD, IMO. CJ and Rice had great matchups, and MJD didn't. Benching MJD was not a bad call. However, I don't think it's all that likely to have all 3 of these RBs on the same team, (non-dynasty), so this decision shouldn't be all that common.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Why would you bench MJD ever? There are no better RBs in the game...stop over-analyzing it.

Now this is underanalyzing it. Nine times out of 10 I agree with you, but you're talking like he's in a tier of his own like Faulk and Tomlinson in their Haydays. There's easily a handful of RB's that are matchup considerations vs. MJD - and I'm as big a Jones-Drew backer as you'll find.

The RB tiers areeterson

MJD

CJ

SJax

Gore

I wouldn't ever bench eny of these 5 unless it was for one of the other 5. No one else comes close to these guys this year regardless of matchup. MJD is very close to Faulk & Tomlinson. Peterson definitely is and MJD is right there behind him.

Wrong. Rice, DeAngelo, (Turner, Brown, & Benson pre-injury) are easily worth considering the matchup with the 5 you mentioned.

I agree that some of those RBs you mentioned (DeAngelo, Rice, Benson pre-injury) would be a reason to bench MJD if the matchup favored it. However, I think you are missing the point. Unless you are in a league that only starts 1 RB, you would have to have at least 2 of those other RBs, PLUS MJD. That's highly unlikely. That's the reason, IMO, that you "never bench your studs." You would have to have enough of these upper-tier stud RBs to consider benching MJD.

And I think that's why this thread has played out a lot longer than it needed to. We have dynasty players debating one side and redrafters on the other. Of course in redraft it's HIGHLY unlikely you even think of benching MJD. But there's us dynasty leaguers with 3+ of the RB's above. Then it becomes a valid discussion. So I wasn't missing the point - and neither were you. I have MJD, Gore and Ray Rice. Safe to say I'd be coming at this coversation from a different angle than you.

 

[FantasyTrader]

haha...300 total yards might be a bit much...but 4 TDs is definitely possible I think vs Buffalo. I do think his coach will reward him for "taking one for the team" last week. I'm expecting very big things this Sunday from MJD! I was very happy with his line vs the Jets last weekend as well

Not happy with the Jauron firing as an MJD owner. Sometimes the game after the HC is ousted, the team has a "circle the wagons" moment, before forgetting they suck again.

 

[frogpond11]

I'm not worried about any affect the Jauron firing has on MJD's prospects for this Sunday vs the Bills. Everyone has been running all over them...I expect more of the same from JAX. It would actually be beneficial if the Bills could somehow put up some points and keep the game reasonably close...that way MJD will play the whole game. I do not want a huge first half blowout and then MJD sit the 2nd half ala the first JAX vs TEN game this season. But I don't really expect that to happen.

 

[xenith]

haha...300 total yards might be a bit much...but 4 TDs is definitely possible I think vs Buffalo. I do think his coach will reward him for "taking one for the team" last week. I'm expecting very big things this Sunday from MJD! I was very happy with his line vs the Jets last weekend as well

Not happy with the Jauron firing as an MJD owner. Sometimes the game after the HC is ousted, the team has a "circle the wagons" moment, before forgetting they suck again.

I certainly hope so. Playing vs. MJD this week, same week I have to play w/out Ronnie Brown. Bad bad timing...

 

[frogpond11]

I'm going up against AP and Ray Rice, argh. Want to keep my undefeated streak going...we'll see.