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Did an early only $1 SE gpp on FD and DK and cashed in both $2.50(FD) and $3(DK)

2 weeks ago today I used the last of my DK points to play in some PGA contests and after this morning I'm back up to $57+, been a couple of good weeks on DK.

 
Raging weasel said:
Did an early only $1 SE gpp on FD and DK and cashed in both $2.50(FD) and $3(DK)

2 weeks ago today I used the last of my DK points to play in some PGA contests and after this morning I'm back up to $57+, been a couple of good weeks on DK.
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Nice! 

Keep thinking about trying more golf, but have 0 clue where to start.  

 
Lit $2 on fire tonight. I missed that the Angels/Twins game was cancelled until it was too late. Have a Yankee/Twins lineup with Fried pitching that's at 120+ that probably won't cash.  :bag:

 
Raging weasel said:
Lit $2 on fire tonight. I missed that the Angels/Twins game was cancelled until it was too late. Have a Yankee/Twins lineup with Fried pitching that's at 120+ that probably won't cash.  :bag:
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I did 4 .25 lineups on FD using my FDPoints since I only had .24 left.  3 with NYY/BAL and Scherzer and one with Minn.  Crazy that game was cancelled -- I live 10 miles from the stadium and it rained for about an hour around 5pm and then moved on.   But won $1.57 so I am back having real money!

 
Dont know wtf it was, or why there were so few entries but I was in a free gpp last night that only had 6-7k entries.  Got about 200pts and put that lu in a 25cent gpp, so 25cents in, $5.50 out.  

Right now I have a SE waiting for both the very early and early slates on FD.  

 
$2 SE hit for $5, so at minimum I will be up $1 for the day.  

I didn't look at weather, so right now I have a $1 SE that is about 20pts below the line, but have Morton at SP.  

Tonight for a $1 SE, I am trying Soroka + a Dodger 2 ->5 stack with some cheap Balt bats and Jackie Bradley Jr. 

 
Did a $2 gpp on FD with Wheeler+ LAD+Hou that cashed for $5

Went ofer yesterday as I didn't get the memo that the Padres were chalky and didn't use any of them and most were 20%+ owned.

 
Yesterday was my best day ever in MLB- $22 in $1570 out. I did have Scherzer/Chirinos, a Ray's stack with Meadows and D'Arnaud, Dahl and Gurriel. 

I played the single entree that paid $2K to first and the GPP with $50K to first. I was in first place in both for almost an hour with the early games all ending, I kept seeing currently winning $52K and showed my wife- she didn't believe me. But then the inevitable happened- I ended up in 2nd ($1500) in the single entree and missed first by .10 of a point! And finished 60th in the GPP which paid only $70 a far cry from the $50K- but what a sweat!!

 
Curious what contests you find the softest?

I usually use the same lineup for a big GPP ($10-15), a $12 single entree and a $50 single entree double up. I have been crushing the $50 double up. On days when my lineup falls below the money line in the GPP and the single entree it still pays in the double up, it's almost like insurance.

 
Joe Mammy said:
Curious what contests you find the softest?

I usually use the same lineup for a big GPP ($10-15), a $12 single entree and a $50 single entree double up. I have been crushing the $50 double up. On days when my lineup falls below the money line in the GPP and the single entree it still pays in the double up, it's almost like insurance.
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I think most of us that post here are low money players( $.25- $3) so can't really compare results. A $1 SE gpp has 8-11k+ entries while the $10+ SE contests are usually under 1k. For the low level games I play the softest money is in the 3 or 5 man contests.

 
Any of you MLB guys want to talk about your process for building lineups?  I've read some basic roster construction articles so I'm more curious about the sites you use to gather information about who to play on a given slate.  I know about rotogrinders and fantasy labs but haven't really had much success in MLB so far this year.  And I will need my fix from somewhere soon with NBA and NHL coming to a close 🙂 

 
I haven't had much MLB success this season either. Seems whichever bat I spend up on gets like 3 points and some near minimum priced guy that I'm not using gets 15+ at 30% ownership. 

I usually start with the cheapest P option I feel comfortable with and go from there. Next I get a top of the order 2-3 man stack from what I think should be a high scoring team and then fill in the holes with best options .

 
The low level GPP with multiple entries seem like craps -- craps you have to put a lot of money out to play the odds to get the best EV.  When you can enter 75 times in a .25 GPP but only put in 4-5 you end up way behind those guys putting in 75 lineups.   Looking at some of the contests you can see 10-20 entries from the same person in last place because are all iterations with minor changes to a core line up or single pitcher.  And conversely, have seen the same person holding many of the top spots in these tournaments.

What sucks is that these folks are probably just buying their lineups and they are auto-generated.

 
And for me at least, it's been especially hard to win on DK with their pricing this season. It's rare to find usefull players for less than 3700

 
Joe Mammy said:
Curious what contests you find the softest?

I usually use the same lineup for a big GPP ($10-15), a $12 single entree and a $50 single entree double up. I have been crushing the $50 double up. On days when my lineup falls below the money line in the GPP and the single entree it still pays in the double up, it's almost like insurance.
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@Joe Mammy - 

What sites or lu builders are you using to crush the $50 2x?  I think I have less luck at cash contests than gpps, and that's saying something since I've stunk most of the year.  

 
needanap said:
The low level GPP with multiple entries seem like craps -- craps you have to put a lot of money out to play the odds to get the best EV.  When you can enter 75 times in a .25 GPP but only put in 4-5 you end up way behind those guys putting in 75 lineups.   Looking at some of the contests you can see 10-20 entries from the same person in last place because are all iterations with minor changes to a core line up or single pitcher.  And conversely, have seen the same person holding many of the top spots in these tournaments.

What sucks is that these folks are probably just buying their lineups and they are auto-generated.
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This for sure.  I have learned just to have fun with it.  Mostly I try looking for the SE or 3max gpps because of what you described above.  The 25cent DK gpps aren't as bad b/c I believe they have a 20max limit on there.  I think the $1 is 150max.  

 
Raging weasel said:
And for me at least, it's been especially hard to win on DK with their pricing this season. It's rare to find usefull players for less than 3700
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Yep.  A big thing this year has been the beefed up pricing for C and it really puts the squeeze on the rest of the LU.  Last year I would constantly be plugging in 2.5K scrubs, and this year it feels like it's hard to get one below 3.7K.  

With the hard pricing and juiced balls, I have found myself backing off pitching a bit for gpps.  I TRY to stay under 16K combined for SPs, punt at C and jam in bats.   I glanced at tomorrow and a combo of using a couple of Darvish/Hudson/Pena/Vargas and a 3.5K C leaves 4.5K/player left.   It's STILL tricky with studs 5.5K+ and Yelich at 6K, but I am not sure I have been happy too often this year paying up for SP much over that range combined.   If not 2 mid guys then maybe something like Sale/Hudson to hover around that 16K range.  

 
Steeler said:
Any of you MLB guys want to talk about your process for building lineups?  I've read some basic roster construction articles so I'm more curious about the sites you use to gather information about who to play on a given slate.  I know about rotogrinders and fantasy labs but haven't really had much success in MLB so far this year.  And I will need my fix from somewhere soon with NBA and NHL coming to a close 🙂 
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@Steeler - what site(s) are you playing on?

 
Steeler said:
Fan Duel and Draft Kings.
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:thumbup:

I seem to have more luck trying one or the other instead of playing both each night, but that's a preference thing.  I found that too many times I just tunnel visioned and plugged in the same players, but they aren't always good plays on both sites.  

There are subtle scoring differences - walks are worth more on FD, hits more on DK.  Honestly can't remember which one weighs SBs more.  For SPs, FD is more forgiving since you only get negative points for ERs - but you only get 1 of them.  

Cash games frustrate me, so not sure what tips to give you except that I try to look for batters:  high in the order, low K%/high BB%, and tie breaker goes to away teams because of the guaranteed 9th inning at bats.  I also usually try to avoid players that get pinch hit for a lot too - Dodgers are notorious for this.  

GPPs:  like I told RW, I have been trying to use mid tier SPs with a lot of K potential, so mostly I will look at the SPs swinging K%/total K% and the opposing teams' whiff rate.  On DK I will take a peek a little at WHIP and BB% too just b/c of the negative points.  

For bats and stacks it's mostly about power/walks for me.   I write down a few teams that have good ISO #s vs the handedness of the opposing SP vs. a SP that gives up power and has a low K%/high BB%.   The theory is you need HRs to win (hence the power), plus the stacking if your guys are on base when one of the others in your LU homers or drives them in.   I can't in every spot, but mostly I like to try to jam in guys that could get a HR or two or steal a base or two.   Also for gpps, especially in baseball, I try to go low owned as much as possible.   Everybody's floor is 0pts in baseball, so if I stack, I will skip in batting order and sometimes purposely leave out a stud or do a weird bottom of the order stack.   Something I will do is a Brewer stack like Cain/Moust/Grandal - leave out Yelich and instead of him take another stud like Gallo that could hit 2HRs.   Basically it's more popular to just do 1-4 of the batting order for a stack, so I just try to avoid that, especially if I think the team will be popular.  

 
Also, @Steeler - do you know baseball well and know all the stats/terms, or is this your first exposure to all the stats?

Just curious, as I basically started 3 years ago and never watched a game or knew much else besides ERA and BA.  Now it's my favorite DFS and fantasy sport to play (even though I suck at it )

 
Weird night. Despite only 10 points combined for my SPs and zero from C and 3b I managed to min cash in my $1 gpp with 123+. Also weird for a gpp lineup was that every player was from a different team.

Whiffed on my FD lineups as I was Mil heavy and used Snell.

 
Raging weasel said:
Weird night. Despite only 10 points combined for my SPs and zero from C and 3b I managed to min cash in my $1 gpp with 123+. Also weird for a gpp lineup was that every player was from a different team.

Whiffed on my FD lineups as I was Mil heavy and used Snell.
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Right there with you.  High line again at 158, but I had Yelich/Moust/Fried in there I went TB stack with the 2 Milw guys, K.Broxton , and M.Olson.  

I have a day off, so might throw in 3-4 $1 entries on FD tonight and will try to decide between the mid level SPs during lunch time.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
@Joe Mammy - 

What sites or lu builders are you using to crush the $50 2x?  I think I have less luck at cash contests than gpps, and that's saying something since I've stunk most of the year.  
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I don't use LUB's. I usually only make one lineup and use the same one in GPP, SE and double ups. I refer to Vegas mostly and baseball-reference.com. I tried the free trial at rotogrinders but did not subscribe- I sometimes play contrarian to them because of all the blind followers and get low % ownerships. I watch alot of games everyday using baseball-stream.com for free.

A few personal lineup guidelines for DK is my goal for the two pitchers is a 40 point total, whether it takes a high and medium priced or two high priced and I try to keep the pitching budget to $18K-$20K. I rarely pay up for catchers and usually go with the cheapest batting below 8 in the order. My stacks are rarely more than 3 players per team. I prefer leadoff and third slot mini stacks. SS/2B are usually around $3K. Search out the homer hitters in the OF and spend around $4K. Rookies just brought up are always great values. When a hot hitter starts getting walked it is time to move on from him- when your lineup is full of BB's you will lose.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Also, @Steeler - do you know baseball well and know all the stats/terms, or is this your first exposure to all the stats?

Just curious, as I basically started 3 years ago and never watched a game or knew much else besides ERA and BA.  Now it's my favorite DFS and fantasy sport to play (even though I suck at it )
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I'm in a similar boat as you were three years ago.  Baseball is 4th for me in popularity behind Football, Hockey, and Basketball and I only get into baseball when the Pirates make the playoffs so I haven't seen many games over the last 25 years :lol:  

@JoeMammy mentioned baseball-reference.com so I'll check that out for some of the advanced metrics you mentioned.  Any other places for find those advanced stats?

 
Garbage early slate and lots of expensive P options for the main slate tonight. Looks like rain could delay a bunch of games as well. Seems like a good time to take the day off in MLB and focus on my PGA lineups where I've actually been making money.

 
Steeler said:
I'm in a similar boat as you were three years ago.  Baseball is 4th for me in popularity behind Football, Hockey, and Basketball and I only get into baseball when the Pirates make the playoffs so I haven't seen many games over the last 25 years :lol:  

@JoeMammy mentioned baseball-reference.com so I'll check that out for some of the advanced metrics you mentioned.  Any other places for find those advanced stats?
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I mostly use the Plate IQ on rotogrinders.  They lockout some of the info unless you pay, but I still think it's more than enough info for free. 

Has just about anything that you would want in one stop - iso, woba, k%, hard contact%, on and on.  It also breaks the SPs down to how their stats are vs RHBs and LHBs, so that is nice.  

 
Raging weasel said:
Garbage early slate and lots of expensive P options for the main slate tonight. Looks like rain could delay a bunch of games as well. Seems like a good time to take the day off in MLB and focus on my PGA lineups where I've actually been making money.
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I didn't think the weather looked bad enough to worry much, and with the studs drawing ownership I like the mid guys even more tonight. 

You need to show me the ways of PGA... 

 
KarmaPolice said:
I didn't think the weather looked bad enough to worry much, and with the studs drawing ownership I like the mid guys even more tonight. 

You need to show me the ways of PGA... 
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I wish I could but not really sure why I can win at golf. I don't watch it other than a little bit on Fridays at the bar and only get info on Sirius for the majors and a couple other events.  I basically just fade the top priced 4-5 guys and puck a guy or 2 from the next tier that's done well for me in the past or is playing well at the moment and go from there.  Most of the info I get is from the DFS sites themselves and PGAtour.com for course info and player ratings. Like this week is a smaller coarse so the long hitters have less of an advantage and hardly anyone has much of a course history. 

 
Looking at sportsline, and so far they are suggesting the opposite of me.   

For DK they have Sale and G.Marquez in the there for optimal and Sale/Morton for gpp.   On FD they have Sale for optimal and G.marquez for gpp.   

Looks like they are updating later with the cheap stack, but looking over things I am guessing Cinci and Houst cheap bats? 

I just find it interesting because the early update this morning had Betts/Benintendi/Yelich as the bats they had in the LU.  

 
It's risky, but for gpp I wrote down Minnesota for a possible stack to pair with cheaper SPs.  I figure if there is a push for higher priced SPs, they are pricey and might go lower owned.  Carrasco has been spotty the last few stacks, and up and down the LU there is ISO numbers sitting at .200+.  

Also, I looked up the matchups and Cron is one of the best on the day for xBA and xSlg vs. the starting SP.  Cruz is high on the list too.   Just thought that was interesting, as the RHBs would be even lower owned I'd guess.  

 
Perfect example last nite of the $50 SE double up being softer than the $15 GPP and the $12 SE:

I thought I was cruising with wins in all 3 until the late guys passed me in all but the double up:

Double up I finished right on the money line at #50 winning $100 by only .45 of a point.

SE I finished 1.90 points short of the money.

GPP finished 2.70 points short of the money.

$77 in, $100 out. A win is a win! 

 
Running a bit low on funds, and don't think I will re-up this season.  Still have 20-30 on each site, but $ is leaking weekly.  

Not sure if I will do one today.  

 
Was going to take the night off too but through this in a $2 50/50 and 5man

Jurado, Sanchez,Lamahieu,Lastella,Andrus,Toscar,Hicks,Trout,Santana

 
Raging weasel said:
Was going to take the night off too but through this in a $2 50/50 and 5man

Jurado, Sanchez,Lamahieu,Lastella,Andrus,Toscar,Hicks,Trout,Santana
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Glad I did this as it gave my FD account a much needed boost. Scored 141+ and won 5man and finished 10th in 50/50 so +$8.60 on the night.

 
I think I need to lay off the gpps, and just try to do more 3 to 10 entry contests.  

I tried a main slate $2 9entry, a $2 express 6 entry, and a $2 after hours 5 entry.  

 
This could be my worst scoring night ever. Played a $.25 gpp and $1 winner take all 20man on DK and $2 5man in FD with basically the same lineup and am in last place in all. Using Fedde in all paired with Kershaw on DK with Hou,Mil stacks plus Betts and some cheap Jay's mixed in. DK scores currently 9 and 24 and 56 on FD as I used Garver and Reddick there.

 
Came back from the dead to win the 25man winner take all after posting.SPs didn't do great but just enough. Mil bats Braun and Shaw finally scored points, Semien hit 2nd HR, Domingo Santana who I only used because he was cheap(3.8) put up 40 points.

 
Early slate have to use Giolitto, can add Tehran and Sanchez for DK or gpp 

For bats sticking with Hou because I know they'll go off if I stop playing them. Also Minn,Oak,Tex and Atl.

 
On FD finished 5th in a $1 100man for $5 and DK took 1st in a $2 5man that I didn't notice also paid 2nd and 10th in a $.25 contest so $2.25 in and $6.87 out .

And that was with my Hou bats still doing barely anything. Took the night slate off .

 
Squeaked into 12th in a $1 100 man by .4 to win $3 with Ray+Mil,Minn and Eloy Jimenez. Did a $1 20man on DK that finished 6th mostly due to dud Hou guys again.

 
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