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~MMA Draft Thread~ (1 Viewer)

EYLive

Footballguy
[Categories]

1. Flyweight(2)

2. Bantamweight(2)

3. Featherweight(2)

4. Lightweight (2)

5. Welterweight(2)

6. Middleweight(2)

7. Light Heavyweight(2)

8. Heavyweight(2)

9. Retired/HOFer(2)

[Owners]

DRAFT ORDER

# 1 : Officer Pete Malloy

# 2 : kutta

# 3 : bonesman

# 4 : Cliff Clavin

# 5 : hooter311

# 6 : Possum

# 7 : scoobus

# 8 : EYLive

# 9 : AhrnCityPahnder

# 10 : modogg

AND WE'RE OFF!!!

1.01 : Officer Pete Malloy - Anderson Silva, MW

1.02 : kutta - Georges St-Pierre, WW

1.03 : bonesman - Jon Jones, LHW

1.04 : Cliff Clavin - Jose Aldo, Featherweight

1.05 : hooter311 - Cain Velasquez, HW

1.06 : Possum - Fedor Emelianenko, Ret/HOF

1.07 : scoobus - Benson Henderson, LW

1.08 : EYLive - Renan Barao, BW

1.09 : AhrnCityPahnder - Wanderlei Silva, Ret/HOF

1.10 : modogg - Anthony Pettis, Featherweight

2.01 : modogg - Ronda Rousey, BW

2.02 : AhrnCityPahnder - Dan Henderson, LHW

2.03 : EYLive - Demetrious Johnson, Flyweight

2.04 : scoobus - Daniel Cormier, HW

2.05 : Possum - Junior dos Santos, HW

2.06 : hooter311 - Lyoto Machida, LHW

2.07 : Cliff Clavin - Chris Weidman, MW

2.08 : bonesman - Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, HW

2.09 : kutta - Matt Hughes, Ret/HOF

2.10 : Officer Pete Malloy - Chuck Liddell, Ret/HOF

3.01 : Officer Pete Malloy - Ben Askren, WW

3.02 : kutta - Royce Gracie, Ret/HOF

3.03 : bonesman - Mauricio Rua, LHW

3.04 : Cliff Clavin - Johny Hendricks, WW

3.05 : hooter311 - Frankie Edgar, Featherweight

3.06 : Possum - Randy Couture, Ret/HOF

3.07 : scoobus - Alexander Gustafsson, LHW

3.08 : EYLive - Luke Rockhold, MW

3.09 : AhrnCityPahnder - Nick Diaz, MW

3.10 : modogg - Alistair Overeem, HW

4.01 : modogg - Dominic Cruz, BW4.02 : AhrnCityPahnder - Vitor Belfort, MW4.03 : EYLive - Tito Ortiz, Ret/HOF4.04 : scoobus - Rory MacDonald, WW4.05 : Possum - Rashad Evans, LHW4.06 : hooter311 - Gilbert Melendez LW4.07 : Cliff Clavin - Frank Mir, HW4.08 : bonesman - Carlos Condit, WW4.09 : kutta - Demian Maia, WW4.10 : Officer Pete Malloy - Michael Chandler, LW

5.01 : Officer Pete Malloy - Ryan Bader, LHW5.02 : kutta - Joseph Benavidez - Flyweight5.03 : bonesman - BJ Penn, Ret/HOF5.04 : Cliff Clavin - Gray Maynard, LW5.05 : hooter311 - Chael Sonnen, MW5.06 : Possum - Urijah Faber, BW5.07 : scoobus - Phil Davis, LHW5.08 : EYLive - Antonio Silva, HW5.09 : AhrnCityPahnder - Nate Diaz, LW5.10 : modogg - Eddie Alvarez, LW

6.01 : modogg - Glover Teixeira, LHW6.02 : AhrnCityPahnder - Martin Kampmann, WW6.03 : EYLive - Jake Ellenberger, WW6.04 : scoobus - Fabricio Werdum, HW6.05 : Possum - Pat Curran, FW6.06 : hooter311 - Anthony Johnson, LHW6.07 : Cliff Clavin - John Dodson, Flyweight6.08 : bonesman - Clay Guida, Featherweight6.09 : kutta - Roy Nelson, HW6.10 : Officer Pete Malloy - Brian Stann, MW

7.01 : Officer Pete Malloy - Mike Russow, HW7.02 : kutta - Gegard Mousasi, LHW7.03 : bonesman - Donald Cerrone, LW7.04 : Cliff Clavin - Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, LHW7.05 : hooter311 - Mark Hunt, HW7.06 : Possum - Yushin Okami, MW7.07 : scoobus - Ian McCall, Flyweight7.08 : bonesman - Chan Sung Jung, Featherweight7.09 : AhrnCityPahnder - Josh Barnett, HW7.10 : modogg - Costa Phillipou, MW

8.01 : modogg - Cub Swanson, Featherweight8.02 : AhrnCityPahnder - Bas Rutten, Ret/HOF8.03 : EYLive - Quentin Jackson, LHW8.04 : scoobus - Michael Bisping, MW8.05 : Possum - TJ Grant, LW8.06 : hooter311 - Chad Mendes, Featherweight8.07 : Cliff Clavin - Ken Shamrock, Ret/HOF8.08 : bonesman - Jim Miller, LW8.09 : kutta - Ronaldo Souza, MW8.10 : Officer Pete Malloy - Jussier Da Silva, Flyweight

9.01 : Officer Pete Malloy - Michael McDonald, BW9.02 : kutta - John Moraga - Flyweight9.03 : EYLive - Ricardo Lamas, Featherweight9.04 : Cliff Clavin - Eddie Wineland, BW9.05 : hooter311 - Rafeal Dos Anjos, Lightweight9.06 : Possum - Tyron Woodley, WW9.07 : scoobus - Mirko Filipović, Retired/HOF9.08 : bonesman - Louis Gaudinot, Flyweight9.09 : AhrnCityPahnder - Joe Lauzon, LW9.10 : modogg - Brock Lesnar, Ret/HOF

10.01 : modogg - Travis Browne, HW10.02 : AhrnCityPahnder - Brian Bowles, BW10.03 : EYLive - Diego Sanchez, LW10.04 : scoobus - Khabib Nurmagomedov, LW10.05 : Possum - Mark Munoz, MW10.06 : hooter311 - Hector Lombard, MW10.07 : Cliff Clavin - Gunnar Nelson, WW10.08 : EYLive - Jordan Mien, WW10.09 : kutta - James Te Huna, LHW10.10 : Officer Pete Malloy - Hatsu Hioki, Featherweight

11.01 : Officer Pete Malloy - Dan Severn, Ret/HOF11.02 : kutta - Jamie Varner, LW11.03 : bonesman - TJ Dillashaw, BW11.04 : Cliff Clavin - Jake Shields, MW11.05 : hooter311 - Raphael Assuncao, Bantamweight11.06 : Possum - Eduardo Dantas, BW11.07 : scoobus - Kazushi Sakuraba, Ret/HOF11.08 : EYLive - Forrest Griffin, LHW11.09 : AhrnCityPahnder - Cheick Kongo, HW11.10 : modogg - Edson Barboza, LW

12.01 : modogg - Uriah Hall, MW12.02 : AhrnCityPahnder - Matt Hammill, LHW12.03 : EYLive - Stefan Struve, HW12.04 : scoobus - Erik Koch, Featherweight12.05 : Possum - Jimi Manuwa, LHW12.06 : hooter311 - Tarec Saffiedine, Welterweight12.07 : Cliff Clavin - Pat Berry, HW12.08 : bonesman - Shane Carwin, HW12.09 : kutta - Gabriel Gonzaga, HW12.10 : Officer Pete Malloy - John Lineker, Flyweight

13.01 : Officer Pete Malloy - Ben Rothwell, HW13.02 : kutta - Chris Leben, MW13.03 : bonesman - Genki Sudo, Ret/HOF13.04 : Cliff Clavin - Muhammed Lawal, LHW13.05 : hooter311 - Mike Pierce, WW13.06 : Possum - Dustin Poirier, Featherweight13.07 : scoobus - Dennis Siver, LW13.08 : EYLive - Nik Lentz, Featherweight13.09 : AhrnCityPahnder - Tatsuya Kawajiri, Featherweight13.10 : modogg - Erick Silva, WW

14.01 : modogg - Tank Abbott, Ret/HOF14.02 : AhrnCityPahnder - Cristiane Santos, Featherweight14.03 : EYLive - Alexander Shlemenko, MW14.04 : scoobus - Brad Pickett, BW14.05 : Possum - Rick Story, WW14.06 : hooter311 - Don Frye, Ret/HOF14.07 : Cliff Clavin - Conor McGregor, Featherweight14.08 : bonesman - Takeya Mizugaki, BW14.09 : kutta - Gina Carano, Featherweight14.10 : Officer Pete Malloy - Daniel Strauss, Featherweight

15.01 : Officer Pete Malloy - Attila Vegh, LHW15.02 : kutta - Melvin Guilllard, LW15.03 : bonesman - Dong Hyun Kim, WW15.04 : Cliff Clavin - Shinya Aoki, LW15.05 : hooter311 - Rickson Gracie- Ret/HOF15.06 : Possum - Josh Thomson, LW15.07 : scoobus - Darrell Montague,Flyweight15.08 : EYLive - Pat Healy, LW15.09 : AhrnCityPahnder - Douglas Lima, WW15.10 : modogg - Thiago Silva, LHW

16.01 : modogg - Azamat Gashimov, Flyweight16.02 : AhrnCityPahnder - Bibiano Fernandez, BW16.03 : EYLive - Mike Easton, BW16.04 : scoobus - Alan Belcher, MW16.05 : Possum - Darren Uyenoyama, Flyweight16.06 : hooter311 - Erik Perez, Bantamweight16.07 : Cliff Clavin - Iura Alcantara BW16.08 : bonesman - Rousimar Palhares, MW16.09 : kutta - Marlon Moraes, BW16.10 : Officer Pete Malloy

17.01 : Officer Pete Malloy

17.02 : kutta - Jimmie Rivera, BW

17.03 : bonesman - Chris Cariaso, Flyweight

17.04 : Cliff Clavin - Tim Elliot, Flyweight

17.05 : hooter311 - Dileno Lopes, Flyweight

17.06 : Possum - Sergei Kharitonov, HW

17.07 : scoobus - Cat Zingano, BW

17.08 : EYLive - Josh Sampo, Flyweight

17.09 : AhrnCityPahnder - Phil Harris, Flyweight

17.10 : modogg - Sergio Pettis, Flyweight

18.01 : modogg - Michael Page, WW

18.02 : AhrnCityPahnder - Jose Maria Tome, Flyweight

18.03 : EYLive - Bruce Lee, Ret/HOF

18.04 : scoobus - Thiago Alves, WW

18.05 : Possum - Will Campuzano, Flyweight

18.06 : hooter311

18.07 : Cliff Clavin

18.08 : bonesman

18.09 : kutta - Darren Elkins, Featherweight

18.10 : Officer Pete Malloy

Final Rosters:

bonesman

Ret: Penn/ SudoHW: Nog/ CarwinLHW: JBJ/ RuaMid: Palhares/BoetschWW: Condit/Stun GunnLW: Cerrone/MillerFW: Guida/KZBW: Dillashaw/mizugakiFY: Gaudinot/Cariaso

Kutta Roster:Matt Hughes, Ret/HOFRoyce Gracie, Ret/HOFRoy Nelson, HWGabriel Gonzaga, HWGegard Mousasi, LHWJames Te Huna, LHWRonaldo Souza, MWChris Leben, MWGeorges St-Pierre, WWDemian Maia, WWJamie Varner, LWMelvin Guilllard, LWGina Carano, FeatherweightDarren Elkins, Featherweightarlon Moraes, BWJimmie Rivera, BWJoseph Benavidez - FlyweightJohn Moraga - Flyweight

Team Scoobus:125 - Ian McCall, Darrell Montague135 - Brad Pickett, Cat Zingano145 - Erik Koch, Dennis Siver155 - Benson Henderson, Khabib Nurmagomedov170 - Rory MacDonald, Thiago Alves185 - Michael Bisping, Alan Belcher205 - Alexander Gustafsson, Phil DavisHW - Daniel Cormier, Fabricio WerdumRetired/HOF - Mirko Cro Cop, Kazushi Sakuraba

modogg

retired: Lesnar, Tank AbbottHWY: Ubereem and Travis BrowneLHW: Texeira, Thiago SilvaMW: Phillipou, Uriah HallWW: Erick Silva, Michael PageLW: Eddie Alvarez, Edson BarbozaFeatherweight: Anthony Pettis and Cub SwansonBW: Ronda Rousy and Dom CruzFlyweight: Sergio Pettis, Azamat Gashimov

EYLive

1. Flyweight(2): Demetrious Johnson2. Bantamweight(2): Renan Barao3. Featherweight(2): Ricardo Lamas, Nik Lentz4. Lightweight (2): Diego Sanchez, Pat Healy5. Welterweight(2): Jake Ellenberger, Jordan Mein6. Middleweight(2): Luke Rockhold, Alexander Shlemenko7. Light Heavyweight(2): Quentin Jackson, Forrest Griffin8. Heavyweight(2): Antonio Silva, Stefan Struve 9. Retired/HOFer(2): Tito Ortiz, Bruce Lee

Cliff

FlW-Dodson,Tim ElliotBW-Wineland, AlcantaraFeW-Aldo, McGregorLW-Maynard, AokiWW-Hendricks, NelsonMW-Weidman, ShieldsLHW-Little Nog, King MoHW-Mir, King MoOld ####-Shamrock

 
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EYLive

Footballguy
First order of business aside from recruiting drafters/owners is to decide on the categories.

Any suggestions about fun peripheral categories are welcome. Arenas, announcers, ring girls, bad judges, sponsors, other misc personalities?

How many of each weightclass do we want pick?

 

Possum

Footballguy
if you're going to have women fighters as a category, there's not a whole lot of depth out there - we might have to start drafting for hotness rather than ability (which is fine with me).

not sure about the coach/trainer category either - I can't name more than a few of those guys off the top of my head.

 

Cliff Clavin

Footballguy
if you're going to have women fighters as a category, there's not a whole lot of depth out there - we might have to start drafting for hotness rather than ability (which is fine with me).not sure about the coach/trainer category either - I can't name more than a few of those guys off the top of my head.
I'm with this. Too few women out there. After the top 2-3 it is pretty thin. I probably couldn't even name more than 5. I'd also scrap the coaches.For categories outside just fighters, maybe best trash talker, best single fighter tweet, best rivalry, best card, etc.
 

EYLive

Footballguy
Keep the suggestions coming. I'll revise the categories once more people give a :thumbup: or :thumbdown: to something.

I'm suprised you guys don't know more trainers and instructors. I notice a lot of reconizable names being mentioned during fight nights and countdown type shows as well as mma talkshows. There are a bunch of respected guys in BJJ and striking.

 

Cliff Clavin

Footballguy
Keep the suggestions coming. I'll revise the categories once more people give a :thumbup: or :thumbdown: to something.I'm suprised you guys don't know more trainers and instructors. I notice a lot of reconizable names being mentioned during fight nights and countdown type shows as well as mma talkshows. There are a bunch of respected guys in BJJ and striking.
Knowing their names is different than knowing them. All we get is 2nd/3rd hand opinions of them. If Faris Zahabi doesn't coach GSP, we never hear about him. I have no idea how good of a coach he is other than he coaches GSP and GSP is good. All we'd be doing is basing our assessment of the guys based upon the media's assessment of them.
 

EYLive

Footballguy
Keep the suggestions coming. I'll revise the categories once more people give a :thumbup: or :thumbdown: to something.I'm suprised you guys don't know more trainers and instructors. I notice a lot of reconizable names being mentioned during fight nights and countdown type shows as well as mma talkshows. There are a bunch of respected guys in BJJ and striking.
Knowing their names is different than knowing them. All we get is 2nd/3rd hand opinions of them. If Faris Zahabi doesn't coach GSP, we never hear about him. I have no idea how good of a coach he is other than he coaches GSP and GSP is good. All we'd be doing is basing our assessment of the guys based upon the media's assessment of them.
Good point. But there are also examples of one dimentional fighters that improve their weaknesses by joining a certain gym to get instruction from a ________ specialist.
 

Possum

Footballguy
if we're naming coaches or trainers, there's only about three or four I can think of off the top of my head, and like Cliff said we don't really have any firsthand knowledge of them the way we do the fighters.

drafting camps (ATT, Black House, etc) would be better, but honestly I'd rather just drop the category and add a second slot for retired/legend fighters.

 

EYLive

Footballguy
Bump for the evening.

I will remove the coach category unless a larger number of people want to keep it.

 

modogg

Footballguy
maybe have a category for just ancillary individuals. People could have 2 slots for it, and you can choose what extra piece you want to draft (e.g. announcers, color commentators, promoters, ring girls, etc.). We can call it "personality" for your organization. maybe 3 slots per team. Would people draft Randy Couture as the face of their org. over any other retired fighter? Would he outweigh Bas, Chuck, or Royce Gracie?

and coaches could fall in this category. I would think somebody like Greg Jackson could add value to an organization, and could be justified by providing training and expertise to some of the fighters on the roster. SO i guess we would have to think what falls under this category. I would say:

1. retired fighter

2. promoter

3. commentators

4. coaches

5. corner men

6. refs

7. ring girls

8. announcers

Ok, maybe we get 4 a piece or something. there are a lot of pieces here. I would love to have Tank Abbott as one of the faces of my org. Have him calling the fights with some others and it could be pure gold

ETA: Also have to think of the setting for this draft. For example is the UFC still in existence, or do we blow everything up and the owners of the new MMA leagues (or fight cards) are all competing to be the new league to take over for the UFC. And i think a good compromise between the idea of a card vs. league is that we draft a league and need to construct the inaugural card to launch the league with.

also, i guess we will do this without a salary cap? Like if i drafted GSP, Silva and Brock Lesnar would it be fine since we all have infinite amounts of money?

 
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hooter311

Footballguy
If you created a fight card the judges could judge the fighters, the match up, and predict a winner in each division. Everyone drafts 2 fighters to match up.

 

AhrnCityPahnder

Yinz-o-riffic
best "never had a fight since the year 2000" fighter

Best fighter to never have a UFC fight

best Charisma / interviews / outside the cage shtick

Best KO from a specific fight

Best submission from a specific fight

 

modogg

Footballguy
best "never had a fight since the year 2000" fighterBest fighter to never have a UFC fightbest Charisma / interviews / outside the cage shtickBest KO from a specific fightBest submission from a specific fight
1. I have to check fight finder on this one. That is 13 years ago, i have no idea who would qualify for that. 2. I will not say Fedor, and go with my heart on this one. Eddie Alvarez3. There is so many. Depends I think on your personal preference. I have 2 immediately that i love, but let others go firstNot sure if all of these are part of the draft or warm up exercises. Let me think on these 2 more because there is a lot to think about here.4. 5. off the top of my head, Diaz's Omoplata was pretty sick on Gomi. The first flying triangle on bellator was pretty sick too
 

Possum

Footballguy
best "never had a fight since the year 2000" fighter

Best fighter to never have a UFC fight

best Charisma / interviews / outside the cage shtick

Best KO from a specific fight

Best submission from a specific fight
I like both of these - good stuff. I'd actually like if we just did an all-time draft instead of only using active fighters, personally, but either way is cool.I'm not that big of a fan of doing the "best fight card" idea because I'm not really sure how well that would work in practice. Seems like it would be more straightforward just to each draft a team - afterwards we could set up a tournament-style matchup between all the teams with judges to determine the outcome.

 
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EYLive

Footballguy
'Possum said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
best "never had a fight since the year 2000" fighter

Best fighter to never have a UFC fight

best Charisma / interviews / outside the cage shtick

Best KO from a specific fight

Best submission from a specific fight
I like both of these - good stuff. I'd actually like if we just did an all-time draft instead of only using active fighters, personally, but either way is cool.I'm not that big of a fan of doing the "best fight card" idea because I'm not really sure how well that would work in practice. Seems like it would be more straightforward just to each draft a team - afterwards we could set up a tournament-style matchup between all the teams with judges to determine the outcome.
Yup, this is defininely not based only on UFC fighters. I expect lots of Pride, Bellator and non modern day personalities to be picked.
 

EYLive

Footballguy
Women and coaches have been removed.

Can we agree that the current listed categories should be locked in?

We can vote on adding from modogg and ACP's suggestions.

 

Possum

Footballguy
'Possum said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
best "never had a fight since the year 2000" fighter

Best fighter to never have a UFC fight

best Charisma / interviews / outside the cage shtick

Best KO from a specific fight

Best submission from a specific fight
I like both of these - good stuff. I'd actually like if we just did an all-time draft instead of only using active fighters, personally, but either way is cool.I'm not that big of a fan of doing the "best fight card" idea because I'm not really sure how well that would work in practice. Seems like it would be more straightforward just to each draft a team - afterwards we could set up a tournament-style matchup between all the teams with judges to determine the outcome.
Yup, this is defininely not based only on UFC fighters. I expect lots of Pride, Bellator and non modern day personalities to be picked.
ok, gotcha - so this is an all-time draft and not just active guys? I definitely like that idea better, but then how does the "retired/HOF" category come in if we're already drafting those guys from the jump? Is that just sort of an extra category to add an additional legend-type fighter to each roster?
 

Possum

Footballguy
Women and coaches have been removed. Can we agree that the current listed categories should be locked in? We can vote on adding from modogg and ACP's suggestions.
one other idea I just had: what about having a couple additional categories based on style (i.e. Striker, Grappler, Brawler, etc., something like that). You'd try to draft a guy who was extremely proficient at that particular style above all else.
 

EYLive

Footballguy
Women and coaches have been removed. Can we agree that the current listed categories should be locked in? We can vote on adding from modogg and ACP's suggestions.
one other idea I just had: what about having a couple additional categories based on style (i.e. Striker, Grappler, Brawler, etc., something like that). You'd try to draft a guy who was extremely proficient at that particular style above all else.
We can vote on this as well.
 

EYLive

Footballguy
Lets see if we can get 2 more owners for an even 10 before we finalize the categories and begin the draft.

 

modogg

Footballguy
Lets see if we can get 2 more owners for an even 10 before we finalize the categories and begin the draft.
With colts win we wil only need 1 more I am sure we can get another owner In here easily. Maybe bobcat, hooter, sheer terror, or any of the regulars at the mms wagering thread.
 

modogg

Footballguy
'Possum said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
best "never had a fight since the year 2000" fighter

Best fighter to never have a UFC fight

best Charisma / interviews / outside the cage shtick

Best KO from a specific fight

Best submission from a specific fight
I like both of these - good stuff. I'd actually like if we just did an all-time draft instead of only using active fighters, personally, but either way is cool.I'm not that big of a fan of doing the "best fight card" idea because I'm not really sure how well that would work in practice. Seems like it would be more straightforward just to each draft a team - afterwards we could set up a tournament-style matchup between all the teams with judges to determine the outcome.
Yup, this is defininely not based only on UFC fighters. I expect lots of Pride, Bellator and non modern day personalities to be picked.
ok, gotcha - so this is an all-time draft and not just active guys? I definitely like that idea better, but then how does the "retired/HOF" category come in if we're already drafting those guys from the jump? Is that just sort of an extra category to add an additional legend-type fighter to each roster?
This was my question too. What is the told of the retired fighter? Ad if we do something like that, we then get into ambiguous territories, like I would draft cro cop in his prime vs. what we have now. Also would try be expected to fight on a regular basis, or are we judging on only short term outlook? Man I over think these things WAY too much, so feel free to ignore half my questions too

 

EYLive

Footballguy
'Possum said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
best "never had a fight since the year 2000" fighter

Best fighter to never have a UFC fight

best Charisma / interviews / outside the cage shtick

Best KO from a specific fight

Best submission from a specific fight
I like both of these - good stuff. I'd actually like if we just did an all-time draft instead of only using active fighters, personally, but either way is cool.I'm not that big of a fan of doing the "best fight card" idea because I'm not really sure how well that would work in practice. Seems like it would be more straightforward just to each draft a team - afterwards we could set up a tournament-style matchup between all the teams with judges to determine the outcome.
Yup, this is defininely not based only on UFC fighters. I expect lots of Pride, Bellator and non modern day personalities to be picked.
ok, gotcha - so this is an all-time draft and not just active guys? I definitely like that idea better, but then how does the "retired/HOF" category come in if we're already drafting those guys from the jump? Is that just sort of an extra category to add an additional legend-type fighter to each roster?
This was my question too. What is the told of the retired fighter? Ad if we do something like that, we then get into ambiguous territories, like I would draft cro cop in his prime vs. what we have now. Also would try be expected to fight on a regular basis, or are we judging on only short term outlook? Man I over think these things WAY too much, so feel free to ignore half my questions too
I was orginally envisioning that we each draft a roster of fighters w/ several names in each weight class, and some retired guys/HOFers just for fun.But now that I see the interest in doing an All-Time type thing, I like that idea more. In which case, I think we can presume that all fighters are in their prime (unless this gets too complicated). It should generate some good discussion and fun scenarios either way.

 

Possum

Footballguy
'Possum said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
best "never had a fight since the year 2000" fighter

Best fighter to never have a UFC fight

best Charisma / interviews / outside the cage shtick

Best KO from a specific fight

Best submission from a specific fight
I like both of these - good stuff. I'd actually like if we just did an all-time draft instead of only using active fighters, personally, but either way is cool.I'm not that big of a fan of doing the "best fight card" idea because I'm not really sure how well that would work in practice. Seems like it would be more straightforward just to each draft a team - afterwards we could set up a tournament-style matchup between all the teams with judges to determine the outcome.
Yup, this is defininely not based only on UFC fighters. I expect lots of Pride, Bellator and non modern day personalities to be picked.
ok, gotcha - so this is an all-time draft and not just active guys? I definitely like that idea better, but then how does the "retired/HOF" category come in if we're already drafting those guys from the jump? Is that just sort of an extra category to add an additional legend-type fighter to each roster?
This was my question too. What is the told of the retired fighter? Ad if we do something like that, we then get into ambiguous territories, like I would draft cro cop in his prime vs. what we have now. Also would try be expected to fight on a regular basis, or are we judging on only short term outlook? Man I over think these things WAY too much, so feel free to ignore half my questions too
I was orginally envisioning that we each draft a roster of fighters w/ several names in each weight class, and some retired guys/HOFers just for fun.But now that I see the interest in doing an All-Time type thing, I like that idea more. In which case, I think we can presume that all fighters are in their prime (unless this gets too complicated). It should generate some good discussion and fun scenarios either way.
:thumbup: cool, I like this angle.
 

modogg

Footballguy
'Possum said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
best "never had a fight since the year 2000" fighter

Best fighter to never have a UFC fight

best Charisma / interviews / outside the cage shtick

Best KO from a specific fight

Best submission from a specific fight
I like both of these - good stuff. I'd actually like if we just did an all-time draft instead of only using active fighters, personally, but either way is cool.I'm not that big of a fan of doing the "best fight card" idea because I'm not really sure how well that would work in practice. Seems like it would be more straightforward just to each draft a team - afterwards we could set up a tournament-style matchup between all the teams with judges to determine the outcome.
Yup, this is defininely not based only on UFC fighters. I expect lots of Pride, Bellator and non modern day personalities to be picked.
ok, gotcha - so this is an all-time draft and not just active guys? I definitely like that idea better, but then how does the "retired/HOF" category come in if we're already drafting those guys from the jump? Is that just sort of an extra category to add an additional legend-type fighter to each roster?
This was my question too. What is the told of the retired fighter? Ad if we do something like that, we then get into ambiguous territories, like I would draft cro cop in his prime vs. what we have now. Also would try be expected to fight on a regular basis, or are we judging on only short term outlook? Man I over think these things WAY too much, so feel free to ignore half my questions too
I was orginally envisioning that we each draft a roster of fighters w/ several names in each weight class, and some retired guys/HOFers just for fun.But now that I see the interest in doing an All-Time type thing, I like that idea more. In which case, I think we can presume that all fighters are in their prime (unless this gets too complicated). It should generate some good discussion and fun scenarios either way.
:thumbup: cool, I like this angle.
It will be interesting to have some discussions about the value of guys in their "prime". Only reason i put prime in quotes, is because what would we consider prime and comparing guys across time frames. Guy that pops to mind is Tank Abbott, who was considered a guy who was in the upper echelon at one point. Or somebody like Royce Gracie who dominated early MMA, but i think Royce in his prime would have a lot of difficulty with some of the upper echelon these days
 

kutta

Footballguy
The only problem with doing an all-time draft is the 'ol who's better, Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds? I think we all agree that if you transported Ruth to today and he played exactly how he did in the 1920's, he probably wouldn't even make a roster.

Same thing here. If someone picks Royce Gracie, are we comparing him against the guys he fought, or are we comparing him against current guys, assuming his skill set from when he fought. It all gets a little strange.

I think it will be fun, but there will be lots of arguing and disagreement, which I guess might be the point of the whole thing.

 

EYLive

Footballguy
Yeah, "prime" is kinda sticky. It would generate more discussion but be more difficult to judge/compare.

If retired/HOF was it's own category, Royce could be a top 5 guy, but if we were to lump them all together, he would drop to the mid-late rounds, which would be unfortunate.

 

Cliff Clavin

Footballguy
The only problem with doing an all-time draft is the 'ol who's better, Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds? I think we all agree that if you transported Ruth to today and he played exactly how he did in the 1920's, he probably wouldn't even make a roster.Same thing here. If someone picks Royce Gracie, are we comparing him against the guys he fought, or are we comparing him against current guys, assuming his skill set from when he fought. It all gets a little strange.I think it will be fun, but there will be lots of arguing and disagreement, which I guess might be the point of the whole thing.
I think Royce would do fine. He is essentially the same as Maia.
 

EYLive

Footballguy
I like the best KO / sub categories as draft items. No one else? Also suggested: best ppv/single day event
If we draft to put together the best show (10-12 fights?), I imagine most people wouldn't fill all the weight classes. However, a best show format would open things up for refs, judges and ring girls, yes?
 

AhrnCityPahnder

Yinz-o-riffic
I like the best KO / sub categories as draft items. No one else? Also suggested: best ppv/single day event
If we draft to put together the best show (10-12 fights?), I imagine most people wouldn't fill all the weight classes. However, a best show format would open things up for refs, judges and ring girls, yes?
Sorry, I meant best show thats already happened. UFC 100, WEC53, things like that.
 

kutta

Footballguy
The only problem with doing an all-time draft is the 'ol who's better, Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds? I think we all agree that if you transported Ruth to today and he played exactly how he did in the 1920's, he probably wouldn't even make a roster.Same thing here. If someone picks Royce Gracie, are we comparing him against the guys he fought, or are we comparing him against current guys, assuming his skill set from when he fought. It all gets a little strange.I think it will be fun, but there will be lots of arguing and disagreement, which I guess might be the point of the whole thing.
I think Royce would do fine. He is essentially the same as Maia.
I agree. But in his day against that competition he was Anderson Silva++.
 

EYLive

Footballguy
I like the best KO / sub categories as draft items. No one else? Also suggested: best ppv/single day event
If we draft to put together the best show (10-12 fights?), I imagine most people wouldn't fill all the weight classes. However, a best show format would open things up for refs, judges and ring girls, yes?
Sorry, I meant best show thats already happened. UFC 100, WEC53, things like that.
Oh, I see.So I'll lock in the weightclasses as categories.The goal this week is to:1. Agree on which other categories to include.2. Decide on whether to do an all-inclusive all time format, or create a separate category for Retired/HOF fighters.3. Recruit a 10th drafter.
 

modogg

Footballguy
I like the best KO / sub categories as draft items. No one else? Also suggested: best ppv/single day event
If we draft to put together the best show (10-12 fights?), I imagine most people wouldn't fill all the weight classes. However, a best show format would open things up for refs, judges and ring girls, yes?
Sorry, I meant best show thats already happened. UFC 100, WEC53, things like that.
Oh, I see.So I'll lock in the weightclasses as categories.The goal this week is to:1. Agree on which other categories to include.2. Decide on whether to do an all-inclusive all time format, or create a separate category for Retired/HOF fighters.3. Recruit a 10th drafter.
i like the idea of taking a week to think about this. There are quite a few ways to go with drafting, and it is good to think about what will be the most fun and enjoyable before we start. I think one thing we should do is allow as much freedom with the picks as we want. For example, if someone wanted to design a WEC style league/card, and only wanted to grab 155 lb and below it would be interesting to see how it would match up. I think we can figure out what is the judging criteria at the end of the draft. Maybe we can have 3 or 4 criteria, 1 being which owner can put on the best card, (2) which owner has the best league or long-term viability/multiple cards, and i don't know the rest. Warning - if you are doing this for fun and don't want to over-analyze, please ignore everything below:1) I like Ahrn's idea of best KO and best sub, but i think we leave it open and that you don't have to select one of each. That way if i want to pick all BJJ guys i can pick a few subs, and not have any KOs. Also, I think we broaden the category to best moments of the league/card. For example, say i want to pick the worst league ever, so for a selection i choose Rd. 3 of the Starnes-Quarry fight. This is a poor example, but i can think of a lot of great moments in MMA that are not a KO or a sub. We would have to put limits on this too, like they have to exist during a fight in the octagon. I would love to take the 209 beatdown of Mayhem after the Shields-Mayhem fight, but that may be a different category. This could be the category that includes best promotor/interviewer/ring girl etc. Also need to think about any limitations on if we pick any best KO or best moment. For example, can i own the Starnes-Quarry rd. 3 if someone drafted Nate Quarry? or if i do not draft that round first then i can not own that moment. I know Ahrn mentioned best card/show ever, could someone select a whole card, or would it have to have a limit like no longer than an entire fight. 2. I think we create a separate category then for the retired/HOF guys and with that we can lump in the best KO or best moments. That way there isn't any discrepancy if i am drafting the Royce Gracie that dominated most of the first 10 UFCs, or am i getting the Gracie of now. Though if we did all inclusive you could maybe get some great fights of guys at the peak of their careers, like Randy-Fedor. There are a lot of guys who are not active that would be fun to include in this though, so i guess either way would work well. Maybe is we are looking at this as one card we go all inclusive for the best card ever, and if we are looking at this more from a league perspective we go with the best moments and retired category 3. Easy answer here. With one of the most anticipated fights coming up this weekend my guess is the MMA thread will be active. I am sure we can pull a 10th from there.
 

scoobus

Footballguy
I think we need to pick if we're drafting with the intent to produce the best fight card/organization, or if we're drafting the best moments/historic stuff. Either one is fine, but I'm not sure combining the 2 into one draft will work.

 

Possum

Footballguy
'modogg said:
'EYLive said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
'EYLive said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
I like the best KO / sub categories as draft items. No one else? Also suggested: best ppv/single day event
If we draft to put together the best show (10-12 fights?), I imagine most people wouldn't fill all the weight classes. However, a best show format would open things up for refs, judges and ring girls, yes?
Sorry, I meant best show thats already happened. UFC 100, WEC53, things like that.
Oh, I see.So I'll lock in the weightclasses as categories.The goal this week is to:1. Agree on which other categories to include.2. Decide on whether to do an all-inclusive all time format, or create a separate category for Retired/HOF fighters.3. Recruit a 10th drafter.
i like the idea of taking a week to think about this. There are quite a few ways to go with drafting, and it is good to think about what will be the most fun and enjoyable before we start. I think one thing we should do is allow as much freedom with the picks as we want. For example, if someone wanted to design a WEC style league/card, and only wanted to grab 155 lb and below it would be interesting to see how it would match up. I think we can figure out what is the judging criteria at the end of the draft. Maybe we can have 3 or 4 criteria, 1 being which owner can put on the best card, (2) which owner has the best league or long-term viability/multiple cards, and i don't know the rest.
like I said, I don't really get the idea of drafting to create a fight card - I'd rather draft a straight-up roster of all-time guys, 2-3 from each weight class (or if everyone wants to limit it to active fighters only, I'm fine with that). drafting specific KOs/subs or best past events as an additional category is fine by me.
 

EYLive

Footballguy
As much fun as I think drafting to build a PPV would be (and having a dream matchup in mind only to have a guy(s) sniped), keeping it simple and picking the best roster of guys the traditional way would be best since I believe this is the first ever MMA draft.

I'm thinking 2 roster spots for flyweights and 3 spots for all other weight classes. Thoughts?

We will have a separate category (2-3 spots) for Retired/HOF fighters, so no "in their prime" vs. current fighter comparison this time around.

:gavel:

 

Cliff Clavin

Footballguy
As much fun as I think drafting to build a PPV would be (and having a dream matchup in mind only to have a guy(s) sniped), keeping it simple and picking the best roster of guys the traditional way would be best since I believe this is the first ever MMA draft.I'm thinking 2 roster spots for flyweights and 3 spots for all other weight classes. Thoughts?We will have a separate category (2-3 spots) for Retired/HOF fighters, so no "in their prime" vs. current fighter comparison this time around.:gavel:
So we're going with all current fighters, at their current state plus a few HOFer spots? No need to go 3 spots deep then. The 20-30 guys in most division are irrelevant.
 

EYLive

Footballguy
As much fun as I think drafting to build a PPV would be (and having a dream matchup in mind only to have a guy(s) sniped), keeping it simple and picking the best roster of guys the traditional way would be best since I believe this is the first ever MMA draft.I'm thinking 2 roster spots for flyweights and 3 spots for all other weight classes. Thoughts?We will have a separate category (2-3 spots) for Retired/HOF fighters, so no "in their prime" vs. current fighter comparison this time around.:gavel:
So we're going with all current fighters, at their current state plus a few HOFer spots? No need to go 3 spots deep then. The 20-30 guys in most division are irrelevant.
I just realized that with 9 categories, picking 2 each would be enough. Otherwise it'd drag on forever even with just 10 rosters.
 

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