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Mock Draft - Now for comething completely diffrnt (1 Viewer)

Andy Dufresne

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Round 1

First rounder(s) in parenthesis:

2.1 Houston (Bush)

Eric Winston - OT

2.2 New Orleans (Ferguson)

D'Qwell Jackson - ILB

2.3 N.Y. Jets (Williams, Maroney)

Jonathan Scott - OT

2.4 Green Bay (Young)

Antonio Cromartie - CB/S

2.5 San Francisco (Davis)

Jonathan Joseph - CB

2.6 Oakland (Hawk)

Max Jean-Gilles - OG

2.7 Tennessee (Leinart)

Daryn Colledge - OT

2.8 Detroit (Huff)

Sinorice Moss

Just kidding.

Mathias Kiwanuka - DE

2.9 Arizona (Ngata)

Nick Mangold - C

2.10 Buffalo (Justice)

Ko Simpson - CB/S

2.11 Cleveland (Lawson)

Claude Wroten (moved to DE)

2.12 Baltimore (Cutler)

Charles Spencer - OG

2.13 Philadelphia (Bunkley)

Joseph Addai - RB

2.14 St. Louis (Sims)

Richard Marshall - CB

2.15 Atlanta (N/A)

Daniel Bullocks - S

2.16 Minnesota (Greenway)

Ryan O'Callaghan - OT

2.17 Dallas (Wimbley)

Sinorice Moss - WR

2.18 San Diego (Hill)

Abdul Hodge - ILB

2.19 Minnesota (Greenway)

Brodie Croyle (I'd prefer Omar Jacobs) - QB

2.20 New England (D. Williams)

Darnell Bing - S

2.21 Washington (N/A)

Roger McIntosh - OLB

2.22 Kansas City (J. Williams)

Tamba Hali - DE

2.23 Cincinnati (Allen)

Marcedes Lewis - TE

2.24 N.Y. Giants (Watson)

Andrew Whitworth - OT

2.25 Chicago (Carpenter)

Dominique Byrd - TE

2.26 Carolina (Whitner)

Jon Alston - OLB

2.27 Tampa Bay (McNeill)

Ashton Youboty - CB

2.28 Jacksonville (Howard)

Joe Klopfenstein - TE

2.29 Denver (White/Pope)

John McCargo - DT

2.30 Indianapolis (Ryans)

Brian Calhoun (Houston, we have a problem) - RB

2.31 Seattle (Holmes)

Mark Anderson - DE

2.32 Pittsburgh (Watkins)

Brandon Marshall - WR

 
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I can definitely live with both NYG selections. I think DT and OT are the team's top 2 needs at this point.

 
the talent in the second round this year is almost as good as last years first round minus the top 5-10 players
:goodposting: Last years draft was terrible.

I can't believe the number of good d-backs available.

 
Youboty and Hali will not drop that far, IMO - they would be steals at the spots you have them projected.

The Detroit blurb was f'n hilarious. :thumbup:

Man, there is some serious depth at a lot of positions in this draft.

 
Youboty and Hali will not drop that far, IMO - they would be steals at the spots you have them projected.
Yeah, I know that's a problem, but I couldn't figure out where else to put them. This draft is loaded with talent.
 
I can't complain about the value that Moss would represent to Dallas at 49. I'd be pretty happy with the Wimbley/Moss combo come the 29th.....

Edit: Even though Moss represents pretty good value at 49, I'm still not confident Dallas would pull that trigger. Parcells firmly believes that he can get quality WRs on Day 2. Crayton is a prime example.

Now if they didn't go for Moss, who would they go for? They might take a safety. But I think there will still be quality on the board in the 3rd. They have needs at NT, OLine, and possibly TE. I'm not sure that there is an NT on the board who represents value there.

I can definitely see them going after the best Olineman available. Whitworth or Davin Joseph are possibilities. They'd love for Spencer to drop, but he is already gone.

Lastly, I would not be surprised to see them grab another TE. That would add a 5th threat to join TO/Glenn/Witten/JJ. Their other TEs are more blocking related. Parcells talked a lot last year about getting threats on the field. Another good passcatcher like Klopfenstein, or Lewis, or Byrd would potentially cause defenses a lot of problems.

 
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2.18 San Diego (Hill)

Abdul Hodge
Not over Whitworth or Colledge.
I have Colledge at 2.07.You're probably right about Whitworth, though.
Whitworth in the 2nd would be a dream come true for SD. Hodge is a good pick, but it's not a need this year and they would be thrilled to get a guy like Whitworth there. As a last resort I think they'll go with Youngblood in the 2nd unless a huge value is there. Both Whitworth and Youngblood project as RT's but SD could use either at RT and move Olivea to guard where he's best suited. Either one should also be able to fill in at LT better than Leander Jordan did last year when Oben got hurt.
 
DeAngelo Williams and Darnell Bing to the Patriots?

If only "my" Pats could be so fortunate!

 
Youboty and Hali will not drop that far, IMO - they would be steals at the spots you have them projected.

The Detroit blurb was f'n hilarious. :thumbup:

Man, there is some serious depth at a lot of positions in this draft.
I don't know about that. I just read a scathing opinion of Youboty (and Bing for that matter), and I have heard very similar stuff from OSU fans (will blog it shortly). I won't be surprised if 8 DBs are drafted before either. Very deep position. Hali's theme song is Free Falling by Tom Petty.

Btw Andy, Hali doesn't fit in a 3-4. I doubt he fits in the NFL, personally. :unsure:

 
Btw Andy, Hali doesn't fit in a 3-4. I doubt he fits in the NFL, personally. :unsure:
Really? At the very worst wouldn't he be an ideal pass rushing specialist DE in a 4-3? Certainly you don't spend a high draft choice on him if that is your projection, but don't you think that is his floor at least?
 
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Youboty and Hali will not drop that far, IMO - they would be steals at the spots you have them projected.

The Detroit blurb was f'n hilarious. :thumbup:

Man, there is some serious depth at a lot of positions in this draft.
I don't know about that. I just read a scathing opinion of Youboty (and Bing for that matter), and I have heard very similar stuff from OSU fans (will blog it shortly). I won't be surprised if 8 DBs are drafted before either. Very deep position. Hali's theme song is Free Falling by Tom Petty.

Btw Andy, Hali doesn't fit in a 3-4. I doubt he fits in the NFL, personally. :unsure:
:eek: :shock: You really think he's that bad??

 
Btw Andy, Hali doesn't fit in a 3-4. I doubt he fits in the NFL, personally. :unsure:
Really? At the very worst wouldn't he be an ideal pass rushing specialist DE in a 4-3? Certainly you don't spend a high draft choice on him if that is your projection, but don't you think that is his floor at least?
He's a 3-4 OLB IMO. Maybe he could develop into another Freeney, but I wouldn't try to put him in that role. He has a much better shot at success emulating what Merriman did.
 
2.1 Houston (Bush)

Eric Winston - OT
As a Texans fan I would be very happy if this were to occur. Then again, there will be some nice quality players available here so this is a hard spot to predict. We need help everywhere on defense.
 
Btw Andy, Hali doesn't fit in a 3-4. I doubt he fits in the NFL, personally. :unsure:
Really? At the very worst wouldn't he be an ideal pass rushing specialist DE in a 4-3? Certainly you don't spend a high draft choice on him if that is your projection, but don't you think that is his floor at least?
Sorry Andy, brain fart on the Chiefs D, my bad??? :confused: I'm writing about DE/OLB conversions and temporarily thought all teams are now running 3-4s. :unsure:

Brewer, Hali doesn't look like a pass rushing specialist. There's several stronger, faster, and more explosive DEs who do. Hali is more of a complete player with no outstanding strengths except a very good motor. He is better against the run than several of the DEs in this class, but a longer list is better rushing the QB (which is a bigger concern). He had a great season, and maybe he's a gamer, but prevailing opinion of him is very steady decline and I happen to agree with it. He thrived on pushing OTs around and just outworking them. It didn't work in the Senior Bowl once he faced better opposition, and it sure doesn't translate to the NFL. Few DEs were easier to handle than Hali that week and some red flags went up. Then he finally got measured for his Pro Day and... the free fall started, rightfully so. Information on the DEs is very fluid, but I am comfortable ranking over half dozen ahead of Hali. Mario, Wimbley, Kiwi, Manny, Edwards, Tapp, Anderson.

Anyone interested, the negative DB comments above have been blogged. Click the sig.

 
KC runs a 4-3. Hali best projects to a 4-3 DE. He doesnt have the speed to play 3-4 OLB.
You're right, I didn't realize he ran that slow at his private workout:
Hali (6-2 5/8, 263) ran his 40s in 4.86 and 4.88. Had a 29½-inch vertical jump, 8-foot-10 broad jump, 4.31 short shuttle, 11.88 long shuttle, 7.28 three-cone drill, and 18 lifts.
That is very poor for a small DE and I think I'm going to have to side with Chaos Commish about Hali's NFL prospects.
 
just curious. Why did jonothan scott's stock drop so much. At the begining of the year, i read that he was a top 15 type guy. Is there something big wrong with him or is it just a general slide down the boards due to other guys emerging

 
KC runs a 4-3. Hali best projects to a 4-3 DE. He doesnt have the speed to play 3-4 OLB.
You're right, I didn't realize he ran that slow at his private workout:
Hali (6-2 5/8, 263) ran his 40s in 4.86 and 4.88. Had a 29½-inch vertical jump, 8-foot-10 broad jump, 4.31 short shuttle, 11.88 long shuttle, 7.28 three-cone drill, and 18 lifts.
That is very poor for a small DE and I think I'm going to have to side with Chaos Commish about Hali's NFL prospects.
Hmm, you are all changing my thinking. Thanks for the info.
 
good jeeeorb. :thumbup:

Mocking the 2nd is unbelievably hard. Its very difficult to separate the players ranked from about 20-60. Some very high quality players will last into the 50s and 60s, guys that were in the first in some mocks.

 
Btw Andy, Hali doesn't fit in a 3-4.  I doubt he fits in the NFL, personally.  :unsure:
Really? At the very worst wouldn't he be an ideal pass rushing specialist DE in a 4-3? Certainly you don't spend a high draft choice on him if that is your projection, but don't you think that is his floor at least?
Sorry Andy, brain fart on the Chiefs D, my bad??? :confused: I'm writing about DE/OLB conversions and temporarily thought all teams are now running 3-4s. :unsure:

Brewer, Hali doesn't look like a pass rushing specialist. There's several stronger, faster, and more explosive DEs who do. Hali is more of a complete player with no outstanding strengths except a very good motor. He is better against the run than several of the DEs in this class, but a longer list is better rushing the QB (which is a bigger concern). He had a great season, and maybe he's a gamer, but prevailing opinion of him is very steady decline and I happen to agree with it. He thrived on pushing OTs around and just outworking them. It didn't work in the Senior Bowl once he faced better opposition, and it sure doesn't translate to the NFL. Few DEs were easier to handle than Hali that week and some red flags went up. Then he finally got measured for his Pro Day and... the free fall started, rightfully so. Information on the DEs is very fluid, but I am comfortable ranking over half dozen ahead of Hali. Mario, Wimbley, Kiwi, Manny, Edwards, Tapp, Anderson.

Anyone interested, the negative DB comments above have been blogged. Click the sig.
thanks for the shoutout on the blog, CC. I even went as far to rank Griffin as a free safety in the rookie reports. I have also seen in a few places that Youbuty seems to have an achilles heel of giving up huge plays.On Hali - He's in a somewhat similar situation to David Pollack's last year. The Bengals spent a first on Pollack and decided to move him to SLB, a move i really did not see coming. Maybe something similar is in the offing for Hali.

 
Btw Andy, Hali doesn't fit in a 3-4.  I doubt he fits in the NFL, personally.   :unsure:
Really? At the very worst wouldn't he be an ideal pass rushing specialist DE in a 4-3? Certainly you don't spend a high draft choice on him if that is your projection, but don't you think that is his floor at least?
Sorry Andy, brain fart on the Chiefs D, my bad??? :confused: I'm writing about DE/OLB conversions and temporarily thought all teams are now running 3-4s. :unsure:

Brewer, Hali doesn't look like a pass rushing specialist. There's several stronger, faster, and more explosive DEs who do. Hali is more of a complete player with no outstanding strengths except a very good motor. He is better against the run than several of the DEs in this class, but a longer list is better rushing the QB (which is a bigger concern). He had a great season, and maybe he's a gamer, but prevailing opinion of him is very steady decline and I happen to agree with it. He thrived on pushing OTs around and just outworking them. It didn't work in the Senior Bowl once he faced better opposition, and it sure doesn't translate to the NFL. Few DEs were easier to handle than Hali that week and some red flags went up. Then he finally got measured for his Pro Day and... the free fall started, rightfully so. Information on the DEs is very fluid, but I am comfortable ranking over half dozen ahead of Hali. Mario, Wimbley, Kiwi, Manny, Edwards, Tapp, Anderson.

Anyone interested, the negative DB comments above have been blogged. Click the sig.
thanks for the shoutout on the blog, CC. I even went as far to rank Griffin as a free safety in the rookie reports. I have also seen in a few places that Youbuty seems to have an achilles heel of giving up huge plays.On Hali - He's in a somewhat similar situation to David Pollack's last year. The Bengals spent a first on Pollack and decided to move him to SLB, a move i really did not see coming. Maybe something similar is in the offing for Hali.
If not Hali, then what about Jonathan Lewis or Rod Wright at DT?They could use another linebacker, but none that are left here have 2nd round value.

 
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just curious. Why did jonothan scott's stock drop so much. At the begining of the year, i read that he was a top 15 type guy. Is there something big wrong with him or is it just a general slide down the boards due to other guys emerging
I think he just hasn't done much to distinguish himself. One thing that *might* be hurting his stock is the busteriffic performances of the last two highly rated UT tackles, Leonard Davis and Mike Williams (both were top 5 picks and considered can't miss), who have failed for a lot of reasons, including lack of mean streak, which is one of the main knocks on Scott. The comparison does break down a little when you add that Scott is lighter than Davis or Williams and has less risk of busting for being too big to move well and weight issues.
 
keep up the great work andy...

you & EG have been doing some yeoman draft work lately...

i would LOVE to get bing or bullocks in round two (if we get someone like sims, ngata, bunkley in first)...

but than i remembered reading somewhere (the ubiquitous chaos commish?) that scouts are very high on marsall & he may be one of best tackling CBs in the draft, & better tackling in secondary would be just what doctor ordered for the rams (safeties would help here, too)... plus incumbent travis fisher is i think RFA in 2007 & fakhir brown is probably not a difference maker... they are talking about possibly moving CB/safety tweener, small school second rounder ron bartell to safety... he was biggest AND fastest "CB" at 2005 combine (another factor recommending & pointing in direction of CB if second rounder is in secondary)...

BTW, i am a huge sims fan... but i am starting to hope ngata or bunkley drop to rams in first round...

a rotation of glover, kennedy & ngata/bunkley would be big upgrade over departed pickett & lewis... QBs HATE a big push up the middle... it would make little & hargrove more dangerous... keep OL off of witherspoon & allow him to become mike peterson-like, sideline-to-sideline playmaker... & make secondary better by not having to cover as long...

i now think one of stud DTs can have the biggest OVERALL imapact on defense as a whole... & best example of a FORCE MULTIPLIER weapon for making those around him better...

i'm not sure if they were off board in your "man with three buttocks" first round :) ... but i hope they drop in actual draft (justice's stellar pro day could lock him in to top 10 & increase likelihood ONE of them, if not both, drops out of top 10) & rams pounce on him... lions at 9 have so many holes it is hard to get their pulse... ex-bucs LB coach might see some sapp in bunkley, brooks in sims & huff would be best lions safety since bennie blades... cards hopefully have more pressing needs than DT... but one of the big guys would be a nice complement to dockett (he & bunkley are friends from florida state)... as sims would make a scary good bookend to dansby... jimmy williams might be to rolle... & huff would be to wilson... but if justice falls, i would be stunned if they don't pounce on him, as worthy as all the defensive options are... they have so much invested in their skill position players, it would make sense to protect that investment...

* with painful perceived lack of developement of three former first round tackles in less than half decade, many ram fans are gunshy about another high pick there... but it is silly to maintain a "positional phobia"... if DT could help, how long is organization supposed to cripple defense as a whole by not attempting to get better through draft at key position?

 
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just curious. Why did jonothan scott's stock drop so much. At the begining of the year, i read that he was a top 15 type guy. Is there something big wrong with him or is it just a general slide down the boards due to other guys emerging
I've seen him at the tail end of round three in first day mocks. I have no idea why, and I have done some digging. All I can guess is that he just didn't measure as athletic as hoped. Apparently he is a great kid, hard working, serious, motivated, etc., but something seems to be downgrading him. Big time.
 
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That is very poor for a small DE and I think I'm going to have to side with Chaos Commish about Hali's NFL prospects.
I'm mostly agreeing with others opinions myself. I was quite high on Hali at one point. Had him mid-first and discussed him going sooner. Sometimes I'm too stubborn to admit I was wrong about a player like this who proved it on the field of play, but not in his case. To me, there was always something pedestrian about his play even though the numbers were piling up. Sort of like Dumervil but different. So, I can pretty easily admit I was probably wrong about him earlier. He seems like a great guy, and oddly, I'd be happy to find out the negative opinion was wrong. I have him in the middle of the second round right now as far as projecting a draft spot. I have him much lower in rankings based on future projected production. We'll see. Bloom, your opinions of Griffin and Greenway were spot on and weeks ahead of anyone else I know of. Good eye.

 
On Hali - He's in a somewhat similar situation to David Pollack's last year. The Bengals spent a first on Pollack and decided to move him to SLB, a move i really did not see coming. Maybe something similar is in the offing for Hali.
Bloom, I have to disagree with you on the Pollack comparison. Yes, they are similar size. But Pollack had/has elite acceleration ability. He was under 4.0 seconds on the short shuttle. For a guy that size, that's tremendous. I believe that it was Pat Kirwin on NFL.com that highlighted that aspect about Pollack. In contrast, Hali is not nearly as explosive. I happen to think he'll be a serviceable guy because of his motor. But he won't be elite due to the lack of explosiveness.

 
2.4 Green Bay (Young)

Antonio Cromartie - CB/S

2.6 Oakland (Hawk)

Max Jean-Gilles - OG

2.9 Arizona (Ngata)

Nick Mangold - C
I've been all over Mangold as the Packers' second round selection for awhile and sure hope they'd take one of these interior linemen if both were available here. Packers signed Manuel from Seattle to play alongside Collins at Safety so unless they are sure Cromartie could play corner, I hope they go somewhere on the line.
 
On Hali - He's in a somewhat similar situation to David Pollack's last year. The Bengals spent a first on Pollack and decided to move him to SLB, a move i really did not see coming. Maybe something similar is in the offing for Hali.
Bloom, I have to disagree with you on the Pollack comparison. Yes, they are similar size. But Pollack had/has elite acceleration ability. He was under 4.0 seconds on the short shuttle. For a guy that size, that's tremendous. I believe that it was Pat Kirwin on NFL.com that highlighted that aspect about Pollack. In contrast, Hali is not nearly as explosive. I happen to think he'll be a serviceable guy because of his motor. But he won't be elite due to the lack of explosiveness.
You're totally right to point that out, my bad - I was mainly focusing on the motor, undersized, excellent college DE parallel, but Pollack's athletic ability in short areas made him a good candidate to convert to LB, while Hali lacks that kind of ability. I still think the "situation" may be similar in that a team may draft Hali to use him in a way that we were not anticipating.
 
Bloom, I agree with you that Hali may be used in an unorthodox manner. He really is a tweener type guy that doesn't fit the profile of any position all that great. But he's been productive and has a motor. Someone will get some use from him.

 
2.4 Green Bay (Young)

Antonio Cromartie - CB/S

2.6 Oakland (Hawk)

Max Jean-Gilles - OG

2.9 Arizona (Ngata)

Nick Mangold - C
I've been all over Mangold as the Packers' second round selection for awhile and sure hope they'd take one of these interior linemen if both were available here. Packers signed Manuel from Seattle to play alongside Collins at Safety so unless they are sure Cromartie could play corner, I hope they go somewhere on the line.
That is my take as well.They need interior line help...Gilles or even Charles Spencer (the more I read about that guy the more I like him almost more than Gilles).

 

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