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Mock Draft v.02 (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Sean Baca
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AD to Tampa... Pretty soon we won't be able to rule any team out as a possible destination for Peterson. Harris in the first is bold, but it makes sense insomuch as Indy lacks a real thumper in their LB corps.
I would be very surpised to see the Cowboys take Blalock in the first; let alone any guard in the first.
Kosier was not great, but he is young enough and is pretty much penciled in at LG for next season. They will not play Davis at T; he failed miserably there in Arizona and was brough in to replace Marco Riveria. They could upgrade at RT (Columbo), but I see them attempting to develop a later round prospect.
T wouldn't be out of the question (Staley, Brown or Sears), but I just don't think a pure OG is a high need.
Personally, I would go with Robert Meachem or Aaron Ross.
The Cowboys need an eventual replacement for Glenn/Owens and Meachem would be awesome learning in the slot.
Also, a solid cover corner would allow them to move Henry to the nickel and play more zone.
Kosier was not great, but he is young enough and is pretty much penciled in at LG for next season. They will not play Davis at T; he failed miserably there in Arizona and was brough in to replace Marco Riveria. They could upgrade at RT (Columbo), but I see them attempting to develop a later round prospect.
T wouldn't be out of the question (Staley, Brown or Sears), but I just don't think a pure OG is a high need.
Personally, I would go with Robert Meachem or Aaron Ross.
The Cowboys need an eventual replacement for Glenn/Owens and Meachem would be awesome learning in the slot.
Also, a solid cover corner would allow them to move Henry to the nickel and play more zone.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
This isn't an insult, just a comment. This seems like a very "orderly" mock. Are we really getting these players so situated that most mocks all have the same flavor? I don't know the answer and I cannot tell if I just read a "matter of fact" roll through the picks or if the draftnik community is way off on several players. With me an several others complaining about how hard this is to project, that seemed too easy. Will it be the inevitable trades that shake things up?
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
If the Lions can't trade, I hope they do take Russell. I believe he has a good chance to be an elite QB who only come along so often.
toastedgnome
Footballguy
well the rumors are just that , rumors and when the fall off is so great from #1 to #3 there is no team that drafts early that could not use a player like A.P.
Sean Baca
Footballguy
great point but that is just the thing that is going to shake it up. if any one guy slips or gets taken early the whole thing is shaken up. There ARE going to be moves but there is no certainty on who teams will partner up with. It may be a "matter of fact" mock as you said (no offense taken) but it was done using draft rumor and team needs that are not being addressed in free agency
I think that when most people crate a mock draft, they attempt to slot the BPA at a need position for each team.However, the reason most mock drafts turn out to be completely off base, is that NFL teams don't share the same opinion of their own strentghs and weaknesses as most casual observers.A perfect example would be a team like Denver and a little tidbit of info I read in another thread. Just about every mock in the world has them taking either a defensive lineman or a safety. Jarvis Moss, Michael Griffin... guys like that seem to be consensus picks because those areas appear to be Denver's weaknesses on paper.Earlier, this Denver beat writer being interviewed mentioned something about them being interested in Ted Ginn. He would fill a need as a return man and would be a good repacement for Rod Smith in a year or so. If Denver has Ginn at the top of their board when he is avaiable, and they think they can patch their other holes later in the draft, they take him and most mocks are now totally thrown to the curb.The ability to possibly guess what every team is thinking and how they value players is impossible; we all just make an educated guess.Say I threw out the following top ten picks:1. Oak - JaMarcus Russell: get their franchise QB.2. Det - LaRon Landry: get their highest ranked defensive player.3. Cle - Calvin Johnson: highest ranked player on thier board.4. TB - Joe Thomas: need to sloidify their offensive line.5. Ari - Adrian Peterson: take BPA; Edge has a lot of miles.6. Was - Jamaal Anderson: best available D-lineman.7. Min - Marshawn Lynch: BPA on their board; Taylor was no stud last season.8. Atl - Patrick Willis: need a LB, and get best in draft.9. Miami - Ted Ginn: need a return man and speed WR.10. Houston - Gaines Adams: additional pass rush.I did not put any real analysis into this, but I guarantee I could argue solid reasons for each and every pick. However, any rational person would probably look at this and throw me out of the forum.
Senor Bloom and Senor Baca and everybody else associated,
Why don't you guys date any of your articles, rankings, etc...
Do you not want it to appear dated at times...turning some people away
Cuz i still have all the faith in your info...no matter what the date.
I normallly assume its old when its has no date stamp.
The only reason i know it isn't is because i am a freak that visits this site and draftguys....waaaaay tooo much.
Why don't you guys date any of your articles, rankings, etc...
Do you not want it to appear dated at times...turning some people away
Cuz i still have all the faith in your info...no matter what the date.
I normallly assume its old when its has no date stamp.
The only reason i know it isn't is because i am a freak that visits this site and draftguys....waaaaay tooo much.
Good question - It didn't get into our first articles, so it just never became an automatic part of the articles. This is just our "rough draft" site, so we will definitely take note of this for the new site we'll roll out in the fall.thanks for tuning in!
Sean Baca
Footballguy
I fully agree with you and as Bloom said it's all going to shine very soon but great point
Sean Baca
Footballguy
A no trade draft? Eh?When was the last time that there were NO trades in the first round? Has there been one...?I've always loved seeing people go out on a limb predicting trades. It shows some guts, and makes it a lot more fun IMO...
please understand that it was done using rumors and speculation from around the league, not to infer that there will be NO trades in the first round. of course there will be trades that change the complection of every draft board (see post # 9)and that is why the actual Draft is so great. The fun was intended to be in that arena, rumors and speculation but sorry if it fell short for you Thanks for the opinion , One Love!
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Alright Baca. I finally got a chance to give this a closer look. I cannot get one of you "guys" to give up 6 wrs in the first round. So Ginn is out, eh? Why? Because he limped a 4.38? You did this on rumor and speculation, but... ahh... Gosselin got me worked up over Rice. Now Ginn here. I am telling you and every NFL GM who is reading the WRs are your ticket this year!!
Sean Baca
Footballguy
I'm not sure what you mean about Rice but don't take it to heart bro, I just am not high on Ginn's ability to be a wideout in the NFL for a good while yet. I know he can fly but I don't see it translating seamlessly to the NFL, maybe in the slot, who knows time will tell. Personally I think Rice is as good as anyone and I don't know that the dust kicked up last year by Hester warrants a first round pick for Ginn. I would LOVE, and I do mean LOVE to see the wideouts dominate the first round, it's the position I played for twelve years, but the depth at the position COULD cause players to slip with teams assured of talent later.Alright Baca. I finally got a chance to give this a closer look. I cannot get one of you "guys" to give up 6 wrs in the first round. So Ginn is out, eh? Why? Because he limped a 4.38? You did this on rumor and speculation, but... ahh... Gosselin got me worked up over Rice. Now Ginn here. I am telling you and every NFL GM who is reading the WRs are your ticket this year!!
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Every year I struggle with the supply and demand question.
A year ago it was OLs, the remainder of the class was very strong and the OLs fell.
This year it is the WRs. But the remainder of the class is not very strong... it isn't as bad as some of my whining suggests, but it is nothing like last years. The thing that really bugs me is Ross and Hall, a couple CBs who couldn't cover Jarrett or Ginn to save themselves keep going before one or both of these guys.
Did you see Ross cover Ginn? It should end all speculation about Ginn being easily jammed. You cannot jam this kid. He is a very tough target to hit because of his size and quickness, but mostly the stride is scary. I loved the cat and mouse game they played with Ross to force him into press coverage, then bam... ouch... see ya. They did the same to Hall. "You want to stay way back? Great, here's a hitch to Ginn and thanks for the seven yard freebie. You man enough to press? No? Here's another hitch and thanks again. Ah, you pressing Ginn now? Bam, ouch, touchdown."
How do you draft Ross or Hall before him? It is like saying, "Let's take this corner because there's lots of WRs left who can light him up!!!"
A year ago it was OLs, the remainder of the class was very strong and the OLs fell.
This year it is the WRs. But the remainder of the class is not very strong... it isn't as bad as some of my whining suggests, but it is nothing like last years. The thing that really bugs me is Ross and Hall, a couple CBs who couldn't cover Jarrett or Ginn to save themselves keep going before one or both of these guys.
Did you see Ross cover Ginn? It should end all speculation about Ginn being easily jammed. You cannot jam this kid. He is a very tough target to hit because of his size and quickness, but mostly the stride is scary. I loved the cat and mouse game they played with Ross to force him into press coverage, then bam... ouch... see ya. They did the same to Hall. "You want to stay way back? Great, here's a hitch to Ginn and thanks for the seven yard freebie. You man enough to press? No? Here's another hitch and thanks again. Ah, you pressing Ginn now? Bam, ouch, touchdown."
How do you draft Ross or Hall before him? It is like saying, "Let's take this corner because there's lots of WRs left who can light him up!!!"
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Sean Baca
Footballguy
I think it is very possible to disagree on Ginn, we are certainly not the only ones who do. I do mention him going to several teams that need a plyamaker and return man beause he is a great athlete. I would never dare say a player who is going to be in the NFL would NEVER make it, I will only give an opinion on the kid. Time and time alone will tell and in the end I could be wrong or right but where Ginn is concerned he is the only one who can make it happen and I wish him luck. I don't hate Ginn because I have him a second round pick nor do I hate the other WR's each of whom has great ability.Every year I struggle with the supply and demand question.
A year ago it was OLs, the remainder of the class was very strong and the OLs fell.
This year it is the WRs. But the remainder of the class is not very strong... it isn't as bad as some of my whining suggests, but it is nothing like last years. The thing that really bugs me is Ross and Hall, a couple CBs who couldn't cover Jarrett or Ginn to save themselves keep going before one or both of these guys.
Did you see Ross cover Ginn? It should end all speculation about Ginn being easily jammed. You cannot jam this kid. He is a very tough target to hit because of his size and quickness, but mostly the stride is scary. I loved the cat and mouse game they played with Ross to force him into press coverage, then bam... ouch... see ya. They did the same to Hall. "You want to stay way back? Great, here's a hitch to Ginn and thanks for the seven yard freebie. You man enough to press? No? Here's another hitch and thanks again. Ah, you pressing Ginn now? Bam, ouch, touchdown."
How do you draft Ross or Hall before him? It is like saying, "Let's take this corner because there's lots of WRs left who can light him up!!!"
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Would you be suprised if Blalock plays Tackle not guard? Because that is the position he played for 87% of his college career.Not saying Dallas is a team that would take him. Just saying that teams may not be looking at him as a guard.JimboJim said:
Sean Baca
Footballguy
I think it would depend on who takes him, if it's a power running game than he would be solid at tackle but in a pass first offense he would need his footwork to improve a lot to be on the edges.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
You should run for office. That was a very impressive non-confrontational politically correct answer. I'll get you to drop the gloves before this is over.
Sean Baca
Footballguy
well being a Wolverines fan, the guy has cost me a dollar or two so in order to actually hate him he would have to go to Oakland and then believe me the gloves are off. P.S. nice jab, a southpaw I see.You should run for office. That was a very impressive non-confrontational politically correct answer. I'll get you to drop the gloves before this is over.
el centro
Footballguy
Forgive me if this has already been suggested, but when you guys write an article, or mock draft, or create a list of your top-players - write the date at the top of th article? Seems tedious, I realize - but it's useful when looking back on these mock drafts in particular if certain circumstances had played out yet or not... for example, if someone had done a mock draft with Denver drafting a RB in the 1st prior to them signing T Henry.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Bloom already responded to this. The current NFLDraftGuys is a rough draft site and the official site will launch later and be a lot more polished. They just couldn't let this draft pass without something up. But really, how hard is to to date a webpage.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
What is wrong with his footwork? I have only heard positives about this. Excellent footwork and agility to mirror defenders as well as being excellent pulling in the running game and blocking on the move.Negatives are technique and sometimes not having a mean streak. But Blalock is a very smart player and will be very coachable.
Sean Baca
Footballguy
Very smart and coachable yes but he has a hard time initiating contact in open space and getting back against speed rushers. He is better in a downfield blocking scheme where he uses great balance and push but in open space one on one, where he would be at tackle agianst faster guys, he looks to have trouble.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Biaka is like me last year. He really wants these OLs to be great and become Panthers. Baca's assessment sounds pretty similar to mine, eh Bia? I saw Scott on the second level many times when Blalock seemed unable to get downfield. Sometimes he didn't seem interested in getting into space. I think his balance and power are tremendous and the balance lends itself to some considering his footwork good; but in the end he is too ponderous and heavy footed for LT and maybe RT too.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Blaclock could lose weight and be a completely different player... possibly. The athleticism is there and I love a lineman with a good punch.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I will always have to take your guys word for it since I do not watch college ball. Just going off what I have read.. which is quite a bit of diverse opinion from multiple sources.. and this guy seems to really stand out to me as the 2nd best offensive lineman in the draft.. which does not appear to be very strong comparativly or deep compared to average draft classes..
We will find out soon enough if he can handle speed rushers or not and how a team will ultimatly use him.
We will find out soon enough if he can handle speed rushers or not and how a team will ultimatly use him.
a_rackowski
Footballguy
Granted I am just a guy, but I really enjoyed this Mock. The others have been very good as well. Its so much of a tossup and I love the work that you guys put into this.
I will throw my opinions in here simply because I dont have the desire to post a mock draft at this point. I hope nobody minds.
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Gruden has been doing an awful lot of complementing Caddy, which to me means that he doesnt want to tick him off. It is becoming more and more common for teams to require 2 capable backs - and I think Gruden is more than ready to dump Pittman out of town. I agree its the best path to winning for non fantasy purposes. I think that they are going to select Peterson at #4.
I agree the Raiders couldnt pass on Calvin Johnson - thats rare talent.
Not sure about the Lions and Russell - I still believe they are going to take Joe Thomas and move Jeff Backus inside.
Quinn is going to go to Cleveland - I have thought that since before the first mock came out probably.
I believe that the Cards are going to go defense - probably Gaines Adams or Okoye with a slight chance that they take Laron Landry. To Me Landry is the surest thing on Defense and to put him next to Adrian Wilson would make the cards defense a fierce unit - but it sometimes takes rookies a while to learn the safety position.
If Adams is there at 6 I cant see the skins passing on him.
I havent the slightest clue what the Vikings are going to do, but it wouldnt surprise me to see them surprise alot of people and draft Marshawn Lynch.
Atlanta takes the best defensive player out there - whomever is left from the pickings. When all is said and done I think it will be Darrelle Revis wearing the black and red.
I agree that the Texans need another Dlineman - and but I think it will be Jamal Anderson - so I would swap Branch and Anderson in this draft.
I still think Buffalo takes Willis.
Rams select Ted Ginn - who is oddly missing from this first round mock.
Panthers are going to go with Greg Olsen.
Timmons is a definate to Pittsburgh.
I think the Pack will scoop up Adam Carriker and line him up opposite Kampman so that KGB can go back to being a situational guy.
The bottom half of the round looks outstanding. The only thing I believe needs to be changed is that the Titans are (MY OPINION ) going to get Vince Young some weapons. I think they go with some local flavor and take Robert Meachem .
I will throw my opinions in here simply because I dont have the desire to post a mock draft at this point. I hope nobody minds.
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Gruden has been doing an awful lot of complementing Caddy, which to me means that he doesnt want to tick him off. It is becoming more and more common for teams to require 2 capable backs - and I think Gruden is more than ready to dump Pittman out of town. I agree its the best path to winning for non fantasy purposes. I think that they are going to select Peterson at #4.
I agree the Raiders couldnt pass on Calvin Johnson - thats rare talent.
Not sure about the Lions and Russell - I still believe they are going to take Joe Thomas and move Jeff Backus inside.
Quinn is going to go to Cleveland - I have thought that since before the first mock came out probably.
I believe that the Cards are going to go defense - probably Gaines Adams or Okoye with a slight chance that they take Laron Landry. To Me Landry is the surest thing on Defense and to put him next to Adrian Wilson would make the cards defense a fierce unit - but it sometimes takes rookies a while to learn the safety position.
If Adams is there at 6 I cant see the skins passing on him.
I havent the slightest clue what the Vikings are going to do, but it wouldnt surprise me to see them surprise alot of people and draft Marshawn Lynch.
Atlanta takes the best defensive player out there - whomever is left from the pickings. When all is said and done I think it will be Darrelle Revis wearing the black and red.
I agree that the Texans need another Dlineman - and but I think it will be Jamal Anderson - so I would swap Branch and Anderson in this draft.
I still think Buffalo takes Willis.
Rams select Ted Ginn - who is oddly missing from this first round mock.
Panthers are going to go with Greg Olsen.
Timmons is a definate to Pittsburgh.
I think the Pack will scoop up Adam Carriker and line him up opposite Kampman so that KGB can go back to being a situational guy.
The bottom half of the round looks outstanding. The only thing I believe needs to be changed is that the Titans are (MY OPINION ) going to get Vince Young some weapons. I think they go with some local flavor and take Robert Meachem .
Donnybrook
Footballguy
That certainly would surprise me and I would be looking for new team to root for if that happened.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
If Gruden really wanted to take Peterson, why would he announce it to the world? Why would he not be silent and just take him at 4? To me it is an obvious bluff. He either wants Calvin to fall to him or he wants to get one of the Raiders or Lions coveted players so that he can make an offer to trade back up for CJ. If there is no deal to be made, in the 14th minute, Tampa will take the player that helps them most. I am not buying the trade Caddy scenario either. If San Diego is having trouble getting what they want for Turner, Tampa won’t get what they want for Caddy. Caddy was a #5 pick and would have a substantial signing bonus that Tampa would be responsible for.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
The Browns will not take Brady Quinn. Adrian Peterson is No. 1 on their board and will take him at #3.
massraider
Footballguy
Man, that's some gutsy calls.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I agree with you that JaMarcus Russell has a good chance to eventually be an elite QB yet I don't agree with your sentiments that Russell would be a good pick for the Lions due to the Mike Martz factor. Martz's success is rooted in taking waiver wire QBs and turning them into Pro Bowl QBs. Trent Green in Washington before Martz landed in St. Louis. Martz turned grocery boy/Arena League QB Kurt Warner into a, Pro Bowl QB/league MVP/SB MVP. MM plucked Bulger off of the wire and turned him into a Pro Bowl QB in an unprecedented achievement. Martz brings solid/proven quarterback coaching and a solid/proven system that can transform low draft picks and/or waiver wire QBs into Pro Bowlers.The MM system is based on the principal of getting the ball into the hands of playmakers as quickly as possible and letting the playmakers make the play. JaMarcus Russell is the polar opposite type of QB for the MM offensive system because Russell needs to be highlighted as THEE PLAYMAKER. An attacking offense, a vertical passing system, or a power rush based system in a cold weather climate where his physical skills would be a perfect is where he would have the best chance for success. Jam lacks the flawless mechanics/footwork and snap decision making skills that are a prerequesite for MM system. JaMarcus needs freedom to roll and float outside of the pocket and take snaps from the gun so he can scan the field. The OC would need to turn the offense over to Russell's free-lancing play-making ability in order to maximize Russell's skills. Russell would be wasted in any system where he is not the playmaker/star. The dictatorial Mike Martz offensive system coupled with JaMarcus' footwork/mechanics would be a train wreck. He needs a system built around his unique skill set.Also I don't think Jam is not a good fit for Kiffin's system in Oakland either. Quinn fits both OAK/DET systems better. Additionally Russell simply is not ready to start. My guess is he won't be ready until later in his second or third year. 77 year old Al Davis needs a walker and an aid to hobble around the Raiders facility. Davis recently saw Lamar Hunt pass away without winning another Super Bowl. Davis spent two first round draft choice for Randy Moss and sees Moss reaching the end of his ability. By the time Russell is up to speed Moss will be done as might Al Davis. Al Davis makes decisions in Oakland and Davis might be on a much more pressing time frame then waiting years for a raw rookie QB to get up to speed. Quinn is a turn-key QB who can play right now. Anyone taking JaMarcus Russell will never be able to recoup the two and a half years ramp-up time. JaMarcus Russell could eventually be an elite QB but is a mismatch for the Martz's system so I feel it would be a mistake for them to select him. Also I'm not sure Al Davis has the luxury of waiting for JaMarcus Russell to ramp up. I like Russell but I don't see OAK/DET as the best fits for him. Just my humble opinion.
Let me clarify; I absolutely love Blalock (Cowboys & UT homer) and think he has the potential to be an excellent right guard or right tackle in the NFL. From what I have read, he doesn't have the footwork or leverage to play left tackle in the NFL. In this draft, it appears that only Joe Thomas and Joe Staley project as NFL caliber LTs.The Cowboys do need an eventual replacement for Flozell Adams at LT; albeit, not this season. They are fairly set at guard right now (Kyle Kosier & Leonard Davis). They made it a priority to sign both Andre Gurode © and Marc Columbo (RT) in the off-season. They have their starting O-line set for next season.If they did draft Blalock, he might be able to unseat either Kosier or Columbo, but the team already has money invested in those players, both of whom started 16 games for the team last season. I just see more value being had in a CB or WR (or even pass-rusher) that could come in and make an immediate impact.
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
I may be wrong here but I think you are off on the Martz system. Most of the decesion making in MM offense is made presnap and is determined by what the defense's reaction is to all the motion and shifting.
I normally agree with you on all things Lions. I do not have a real opinion on Russell...talking high-end, educated opinion. My only feeling is that he is a true 50-50 player. He is either going to be rr..ee..aa..ll..yy good or rr..ee..aa..ll..yy bad. Enter the Lions.They cannot withstand a blown QB pick. I do not see how they can take Russell or Quinn. (Please, football God, no B. Quinn in Motown.) The rule of thumb is that you take the franchise QB...first and always...and dominant defensive linemen or cornerstone tackles, second. Those blown franchise QB picks, though, put a team back a good 4-6 years. That is my feeling.ILoveMyLions said:
NFL Network covered this the other night and the consesus was that a blown QB pick could easily set a team back 8, 10 or 12 years. Think about that. Now, look at the Lions and their picks.
Chuck Long
#12 overall in 86
Andre Ware
#7 overall in 90
Joey Harrington
#3 overall in 02
(Don't forget the Scott Mitchell experience, Peete in 89 and Batch in 98)
Sprinkle in the hit ratio of #1 picks the franchise has drafted, specifically those WR in recent years and talent forfeited to obtain those player rights, and it gets dicey. At least it gets dicey for the Lions.
They...have...to...hit...with...this...pick. The Silver Bullet or Savior QB Theory has been applied 3 times in with first round picks in a 21 year period of time. It is so swing and miss but the Lions have struck out.
There is too much risk associated with taking Russell or Quinn. It would finally kill that franchise. The team has to get someone that can live out their rookie contract and play at a high level...starting this fall. I cannot see how the Lions can afford to gamble on a QB with players like Johnson, Peterson, Thomas and Adams on the table. While Thomas and Adams meet the maxim of taking the dominant pass rusher or protecter, neither of them have the talent level of Johnson or Peterson. Johnson as a WR is that much better than Thomas as a LT, for example. Add in the wide array of team needs facing the Lions and, well, this gets really ugly. I get highly agitated at this point in the discussion. A monkey would have a better time "making love" to a football than someone fixing this franchise.
Anyway...
I just don't see it. Hey, if it happens, though, I am going to get on board with your way of thinking.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Ginn falls out of the first? Some folks see him as the #2 WR in the draft. I've seen him mocked as high 16th to the Packers and also to the Titans, Jets, Chiefs, Chargers, and Colts (among others I suppose). But he's been a first rounder in pretty much every mock I've seen. Any reason he falls out of the first?
I don't see him falling out of the first personally, but I could see Meachem, Bowe and Jarrett (maybe) all going ahead of him.I think it all depends on the team needs and what kind of receiver they are looking to draft.Ginn is by far the smallest of the four; albeit, probably the fastest, and in three years, his highest catch total was 59 and his highest yardage total was 803; not exactly top numbers.I'm not saying it will or won't happen, but I think those four guys after CJ are so closely rated, they could come off of the board in any order.
a_rackowski
Footballguy
I think too many people are forgetting that Martz COULD already has his QB of the future - Dan Orlovsky. Before you laugh - think of Trent Green and Kurt Warner before Martz got his hands on them. They sat, sat, sat, sat, and then BANG - they were the next hot thing. If they spend a first round pick on a QB, and he just has a GIGANTIC season for a rookie - Whats he do? post #s identical to Kitna? The QB position is NOT what is holding the Lions back. Its a Dline and OLINE.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The other thing to consider is that Martz not be around to see whomever the QB of the future may be. I suspect Martz could be a HC somewhere else next year.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
We've both given Cliff note versions of the Martz offense. I was addressing that I do not veiw JaMarcus Russell's skills as a match with Martz's offense. Russell's ability to freelance and to make decisions on the fly does not fit the more ridgid and carefully timed Martz's system of spreading the defense that does incorporate snap pre-snap reads amongst other aspects that I had touched upon such as getting the ball into the hands of a skill position play maker. I see JuMarcus as a QB who would best be used utilizing his physical abilities. I see the best use of his physical skills is to give him a wide berth to freelance. Their is much more to the Martz system.For instance, Martz had the ability to utilize a great skill position player like Marshall Faulk by using a simple stagger draw play where he merely slightly altered the timing to create a big play. It sounds simple but it wasn't. He had to make sure his blockers make the same read as Warner and that all three, Faulk/Warner/the O-Line had clockwork timing to allow the play to virtually go in any direction that the defense left open. That simple stagger draw play was called 'The Flip' and had over a dozen versions. I'm sure you've seen it many times where Marshall stood frozen looking as though he was staying into to pick up a blitz or to pass block as Warner dropped back and looked over the D. When the defense began to drop Warner would turn or waggle back and give or pitch the ball to Faulk who had been scouring the field and reading his blocks and had began to work up a head of steam and it seemed as though that play was unstoppable as most of Faulks long runs came from it. Sorry, didn't mean to head down memory lane. I'll stand on my original point that Russell is not a good fit for the Martz offense. I do agree with both comments that others had made that Orlovsky could be the guy that Martz would like to give a shot to eventually start. I also agree that Martz may not be back which would make me even more eager to take advantage of his offense/coaching with the Lions. Marc Bulger, a Martz disciple developed and was successful after Martz left. Trent Green and Kurt Warner were successful after getting up to speed under the tutelage of Mike Martz and then after he left. I think the Lions should leverage MM's coaching/offense to get a player like Orvlasky or a free agent/lower draft pick up to speed as the Lions QB whiich would allow Detroit to make better use the second pick filling other needs. Just my humble opinion.HULLOBUDMAN said:
Call me crazy, but I smell a little 1999 draft Ricky Williams/Edgerrin James here with Peterson and Lynch. I'm not saying that I think Lynch will get draft before peterson, but I don't see the two being that far apart in terms of overall skill (I'll probably get ripped for this one).One of the big things that really impressed with Lynch is his ability to catch the ball, not just on screens and flat patterns, but downfield.Plus, Lynch doesn't take the big hit like Peterson; I think teams will really look at that.I could see him going to Minnesota or even possibly Atlanta or Houston.
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This would be my reaction if the Vikings took Lynch at 7. I wouldn't be less upset if they traded down 10 spots and took him. The last thing the Vikings should be doing is reaching.JimboJim said:
