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**Monday Night Football - Giants at Patriots**(-7.5, 46.5) 8:15 (1 Viewer)

@Chaka

i mean, yeah, I watched Dart's hit five times. This is the best angle I could find on my computer. It looks like Elliss has a lowered shoulder and he’s going through the shoulder of Dart and then hits Dart's head, which wouldn’t be a penalty and people would be right, but both in real time and from another angle nobody uploaded yet but likely will, Elliss leads with his head and makes first contact.

This is an angle and freeze frame where their helmets are touching (awww helmets), but one can accept a counter argument that it was his shoulder first and then his head. But I saw red at the original speed and then at a different angle. Detective Gumshoe on the case to find the other one.

Have you considered that there may have been a second spitter?
 
At this point the D has to play for some form of pride. Secondary has been getting eviscerated out there and the pass rush is getting close but no cigar,
 
NFL needs to get its **** together with these gambling scandals in other sports. There are dozens of conspiracy theories a week now. And some looks super sus.

CLE not kicking that FG was suuuuuuper questionable.
 
@Chaka

i mean, yeah, I watched Dart's hit five times. This is the best angle I could find on my computer. It looks like Elliss has a lowered shoulder and he’s going through the shoulder of Dart and then hits Dart's head, which wouldn’t be a penalty and people would be right, but both in real time and from another angle nobody uploaded yet but likely will, Elliss leads with his head and makes first contact.

This is an angle and freeze frame where their helmets are touching (awww helmets), but one can accept a counter argument that it was his shoulder first and then his head. But I saw red at the original speed and then at a different angle. Detective Gumshoe on the case to find the other one.

Yeah that view looks like it may be touching, it doesn't show them actually touching. It's the proverbial Hollywood Angle we can't see the separation (if there is any).

@Jppaul posted a link (I reposted to you) the angle down the sidelines shows the separation of their helmets at the point of contact.

Link. (44 second mark)

I guess it isn't 100% definitive but that looks like a very clean hit
 
How did Troy Aikman play football?

That little "why would you go for two there, you have to kick the extra point to get it to 16 so it's a 2-score game before you can go for 2" rant was dumb even for him.
 
Giants are literally running the clock out.
Yeah, this is awful to watch.
I’m up less than 6 facing Diggs. I hope they have a 15 minute drive.
I am also against Diggs up a little more but still sweating it as 1 of my 15 sweats tonight
Incredibly, the 1 Diggs share I have I'm in a double header, winning one of them 415.8-210.5 (with RS, Henry, and Ellis) and the other 415.8-300.7

so I’m super chill if Diggs just hangs out on the bench the rest of the game.
 

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