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**Monday Night Football - Giants at Patriots**(-7.5, 46.5) 8:15 (11 Viewers)
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The Frankman
Footballguy
good thing we live in more progressive times.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
PLAYOFF HOPES STILL ALIIIIIIVE!!!!
I can’t believe it!
I can’t believe it!
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I would think that if you are winning comfortably like NE is then you don't put wear and tear and risk injury on your stud RB.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Bossman
Footballguy
as we learned from the punt return helmet to helmet concussion fumble... apparently it doesn't matter if he is considered a runner.
Dez
Footballguy
Well 2 out of 3 aint bad. Diggs stunk I made the playoffs in the NFFC.
Henderson +4.2 vs Dart I won by 0,85 and made the RTS playoffs as the 4th and final seed (had Dart completed that last pass I am out of playoffs)
Got stomped in my other one
Of course it all can't be roses I needed 1 more receiving yard from Henderson to win in a tie in my local league instead I lose by 1 (1 freaking yard you get 1 pt ever 20 yards rec) and my 7 game winning streak broken and a 1st round bye would been locked up instead I have to win next week to get it or I am a WC team.
Henderson +4.2 vs Dart I won by 0,85 and made the RTS playoffs as the 4th and final seed (had Dart completed that last pass I am out of playoffs)
Got stomped in my other one
Of course it all can't be roses I needed 1 more receiving yard from Henderson to win in a tie in my local league instead I lose by 1 (1 freaking yard you get 1 pt ever 20 yards rec) and my 7 game winning streak broken and a 1st round bye would been locked up instead I have to win next week to get it or I am a WC team.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
Didn't watch the game and haven't checked out my FF scores yet. I'm binge watching Rome. I was reacting too
which I had thought was Chad lambasting that they didn't use Hendo much in the 4th but I guess he was just talking about it in general. I think both our answers apply and we are on the same page. I also would not be totally surprised if coaches want to give a back X amount of work or else they'll be unhappy and want a trade/be less likely to resign.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I just legitimately believe they’re a better offense with 2 good running backs. RS is a luxury to keep Hendo with fresh legs.Didn't watch the game and haven't checked out my FF scores yet. I'm binge watching Rome. I was reacting too
which I had thought was Chad lambasting that they didn't use Hendo much in the 4th but I guess he was just talking about it in general. I think both our answers apply and we are on the same page. I also would not be totally surprised if coaches want to give a back X amount of work or else they'll be unhappy and want a trade/be less likely to resign.
Long season, long playoffs - come bad weather, a team with thunder & lightning tandem has a big advantage. And both backs can go inside, outside, and both are fluid receivers.
As a RS shareholder I wish it were otherwise, but the patriots are better when both backs are playing well.
Note: no fumbling for some time now.
rockaction
Footballguy
Thanks. I can’t get to it on your Drive but I managed to blow it up on my phone. That looks definitely after impact almost like he’s behind him which would lead you to believe he couldn’t have possibly, but even .3 of a second with these guys and you’ve missed it. Anyway, I guess I could be wrong. I don’t know. I keep watching in real time and I’m not generally v fooled by the head whip so maybe here I am? I don’t think so, but I’ve def. been wrong before
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That never tells the whole story. He churned out some big gains when it mattered. He had a couple runs that had none chance either because the OL didn’t block well or the defense was keying in on the run.Well, for Stevenson, it was a good game technically. 3.3 ypc tonight which is slightly above his average for the season, so yeah, he will remain “the man” if he continues with these type of stellar performances
To start the game he had runs of
4, 8, 7, 9, 4, 4.
At this point it was Pats 24-7, and NEP was in clock drain mode. The game felt over. RS had a few negative runs -5, -1, 0, etc.
Not all touches are created equal. When the game was still a game, RS averaged 6 YPC. The rest of the way hardly seems fair to judge him by.
Opinions on this may differ. Statistically speaking, yes - he had 3.3 YPC. Yuck, stinky poo. But he absolutely contributed to the win in the 1st half as a runner and a receiver. Had a rushing and receiving 1st down as well.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Jaxson Dart Hit Sparks Patriots-Giants Clash Over Patrick Mahomes Debate
During a recent Monday Night Football game, Jaxson Dart, the New York Giants quarterback, faced a significant hit that ignited a scuffle between the Giants and New England Patriots. This incident raises crucial questions about player protection and perceptions of quarterback hits in the NFL...
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His helmet is lowered and he's not hitting a shoulder. I see you're laughing. Man, why do you think sports photographers have shutters that go every .2 of a second or whatever?
rockaction
Footballguy
Ladies and gentlemen, I wouldn't be expecting any fine on Christian Elliss for his second lowering the helmet hit of the night.
Hey Roger, maybe you can destroy these videotapes also. Or when somebody posts another Eagles false start you can send more takedown notices.
Hey Roger, maybe you can destroy these videotapes also. Or when somebody posts another Eagles false start you can send more takedown notices.
rockaction
Footballguy
This looks nothing like the still photos that look like a push in the back.
I have to ask people if they even played high school or collegiate athletics before they show me still life clips like that person did because it's not much use arguing with people who don't understand these bodies are moving at a rate you can barely comprehend and you kind of have to get at and through impact. Watch Elliss airborne in this video. Dude's throwing himself like he's a human clothesline. He winds up like two or three yards out of bounds. Look at the Giants' bench. They're not going to cry in the media about because they want the whiners and excuses gone but they have #53 tucked away for sure.
I have to ask people if they even played high school or collegiate athletics before they show me still life clips like that person did because it's not much use arguing with people who don't understand these bodies are moving at a rate you can barely comprehend and you kind of have to get at and through impact. Watch Elliss airborne in this video. Dude's throwing himself like he's a human clothesline. He winds up like two or three yards out of bounds. Look at the Giants' bench. They're not going to cry in the media about because they want the whiners and excuses gone but they have #53 tucked away for sure.
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't get it, man. You keep going to lateral views. You can't tell anything from that. Their heads could easily be three feet apart in that shot. They could also be touching. The point is there is no way to know from that angle. It's a parallax effect. Hollywood exploits that all the time.
Jaxson Dart Hit Sparks Patriots-Giants Clash Over Patrick Mahomes Debate
During a recent Monday Night Football game, Jaxson Dart, the New York Giants quarterback, faced a significant hit that ignited a scuffle between the Giants and New England Patriots. This incident raises crucial questions about player protection and perceptions of quarterback hits in the NFL...
His helmet is lowered and he's not hitting a shoulder. I see you're laughing. Man, why do you think sports photographers have shutters that go every .2 of a second or whatever?
Did you watch the video down the sidelines? It's a pretty darn clear angle and, in real time it doesn't look like there is anything but shoulder to shoulder contact.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, this guy wasn't lowering his head last night.
www.si.com
Giants Returner Literally Had the Paint Knocked Off His Helmet in Brutal Collision
Giants returner Gunner Olszewski took such a massive hit against the Patriots the paint on his helmet flew off.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I don't get it, man. You keep going to lateral views. You can't tell anything from that. Their heads could easily be three feet apart in that shot. They could also be touching. The point is there is no way to know from that angle. It's a parallax effect. Hollywood exploits that all the time.
Jaxson Dart Hit Sparks Patriots-Giants Clash Over Patrick Mahomes Debate
During a recent Monday Night Football game, Jaxson Dart, the New York Giants quarterback, faced a significant hit that ignited a scuffle between the Giants and New England Patriots. This incident raises crucial questions about player protection and perceptions of quarterback hits in the NFL...
His helmet is lowered and he's not hitting a shoulder. I see you're laughing. Man, why do you think sports photographers have shutters that go every .2 of a second or whatever?
Did you watch the video down the sidelines? It's a pretty darn clear angle and, in real time it doesn't look like there is anything but shoulder to shoulder contact.
What view would you like to go to? I'll keep trying to find one. The Tik Tok one is from the end zone. It's not a lateral view.
I'm not showing you two persepctives or different speeds in the foreground at all. i hope you don't care that I'm later at night and just correcting your understanding of the term. I mean, I'll once again take the position of epistemic humility and say I could be wrong about this term, but that doesn't sound the correct usage, even though it isn't tremendously important you know the right name for what you're saying are the illusions that the two pictures I posted give. I'll fully admit to wanting a better view that the still lifes I gave. I'm unable to freeze the video on my television which is plenty big enough but the remote isn't pausing at impact and the other remote isn't working.
As far as the effect, I looked to see if I was doing anything or susceptible to illusion myself because I don't fully know, but after hunting around for like ten minutes, reading definitions and and consulting about three sources, the parallax effect doesn't mean or name any vantage point that I've given (it usually means, I gather, that when two people are looking at something from different angles that they perceive two differing senses of direction regarding the object. in Hollywood, it apparently is to slow down a foreground object and alter the background in some way to give an illusion of a different rate of motion of the object you're looking at, and the effect is usually deliberately done to manipulate. If I'm wrong I apologize in advance.
parallax
noun
par·al·lax ˈper-ə-ˌlaksˈpa-rə-
: the apparent displacement or the difference in apparent direction of an object as seen from two different points not on a straight line with the object
especially : the angular difference in direction of a celestial body as measured from two points on the earth's orbit
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not on X, so it’s just “you guy”.
Chaka
Footballguy
The view down the sidelines that has been posted three times. One you seem to want to ignoreI don't get it, man. You keep going to lateral views. You can't tell anything from that. Their heads could easily be three feet apart in that shot. They could also be touching. The point is there is no way to know from that angle. It's a parallax effect. Hollywood exploits that all the time.
Jaxson Dart Hit Sparks Patriots-Giants Clash Over Patrick Mahomes Debate
During a recent Monday Night Football game, Jaxson Dart, the New York Giants quarterback, faced a significant hit that ignited a scuffle between the Giants and New England Patriots. This incident raises crucial questions about player protection and perceptions of quarterback hits in the NFL...
His helmet is lowered and he's not hitting a shoulder. I see you're laughing. Man, why do you think sports photographers have shutters that go every .2 of a second or whatever?
Did you watch the video down the sidelines? It's a pretty darn clear angle and, in real time it doesn't look like there is anything but shoulder to shoulder contact.
What view would you like to go to? I'll keep trying to find one. The Tik Tok one is from the end zone. It's not a lateral view.
I'm not showing you two persepctives or different speeds in the foreground at all. i hope you don't care that I'm later at night and just correcting your understanding of the term. I mean, I'll once again take the position of epistemic humility and say I could be wrong about this term, but that doesn't sound the correct usage, even though it isn't tremendously important you know the right name for what you're saying are the illusions that the two pictures I posted give. I'll fully admit to wanting a better view that the still lifes I gave. I'm unable to freeze the video on my television which is plenty big enough but the remote isn't pausing at impact and the other remote isn't working.
As far as the effect, I looked to see if I was doing anything or susceptible to illusion myself because I don't fully know, but after hunting around for like ten minutes, reading definitions and and consulting about three sources, the parallax effect doesn't mean or name any vantage point that I've given (it usually means, I gather, that when two people are looking at something from different angles that they perceive two differing senses of direction regarding the object. in Hollywood, it apparently is to slow down a foreground object and alter the background in some way to give an illusion of a different rate of motion of the object you're looking at, and the effect is usually deliberately done to manipulate. If I'm wrong I apologize in advance.
parallax
noun
par·al·lax ˈper-ə-ˌlaks
ˈpa-rə-
: the apparent displacement or the difference in apparent direction of an object as seen from two different points not on a straight line with the object
especially : the angular difference in direction of a celestial body as measured from two points on the earth's orbit
- YouTube
Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
And don't be pedantic.
efactor
Footballguy
He’s terribleThat never tells the whole story. He churned out some big gains when it mattered. He had a couple runs that had none chance either because the OL didn’t block well or the defense was keying in on the run.Well, for Stevenson, it was a good game technically. 3.3 ypc tonight which is slightly above his average for the season, so yeah, he will remain “the man” if he continues with these type of stellar performances
To start the game he had runs of
4, 8, 7, 9, 4, 4.
At this point it was Pats 24-7, and NEP was in clock drain mode. The game felt over. RS had a few negative runs -5, -1, 0, etc.
Not all touches are created equal. When the game was still a game, RS averaged 6 YPC. The rest of the way hardly seems fair to judge him by.
Opinions on this may differ. Statistically speaking, yes - he had 3.3 YPC. Yuck, stinky poo. But he absolutely contributed to the win in the 1st half as a runner and a receiver. Had a rushing and receiving 1st down as well.
His receiving numbers were inflated by a dump off where there was literally NOBODY even in the vicinity of him. Great play by Maye to avoid the rush but the play would have gone for more than 35 yards if Stephenson wasn’t so slow.
Maybe the Pats are conserving Henderson for the playoffs. Only thing I can think of.
Boston
Footballguy
It's too bad, it would be such a great story...should have known it wasn't true, it was just too easy.
Boston
Footballguy
He’s terribleThat never tells the whole story. He churned out some big gains when it mattered. He had a couple runs that had none chance either because the OL didn’t block well or the defense was keying in on the run.Well, for Stevenson, it was a good game technically. 3.3 ypc tonight which is slightly above his average for the season, so yeah, he will remain “the man” if he continues with these type of stellar performances
To start the game he had runs of
4, 8, 7, 9, 4, 4.
At this point it was Pats 24-7, and NEP was in clock drain mode. The game felt over. RS had a few negative runs -5, -1, 0, etc.
Not all touches are created equal. When the game was still a game, RS averaged 6 YPC. The rest of the way hardly seems fair to judge him by.
Opinions on this may differ. Statistically speaking, yes - he had 3.3 YPC. Yuck, stinky poo. But he absolutely contributed to the win in the 1st half as a runner and a receiver. Had a rushing and receiving 1st down as well.
His receiving numbers were inflated by a dump off where there was literally NOBODY even in the vicinity of him. Great play by Maye to avoid the rush but the play would have gone for more than 35 yards if Stephenson wasn’t so slow.
Maybe the Pats are conserving Henderson for the playoffs. Only thing I can think of.
McDaniels is an RBBC OC...I don't see them ever having a legit bellcow while he is there and there is a good chance he will be there for a long time (which is a very good thing for the Pats)...things are starting to trend the way I thought they might going into the offseason with their usage but I just don't think the Pats ever envisioned Henderson being a 20 carry per game RB when they drafted him...IMO they key to him reaching his full value will be his involvement in the passing game...in the last 5 games he has got a target share of 6, 1, 5, 4, 4 and has had 4, 1, 5, 3, 3 receptions...add that to 10-12 carries a game and he should be good for about 15 touches a game...overall it is very apparent that they are far more comfortable with him than they were earlier in the season but whether it is Stevenson or someone who eventually replaces him this is going to be some form of RBBC.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Seems like you have a bias against RS, since the facts didn’t align with your conclusion.He’s terribleThat never tells the whole story. He churned out some big gains when it mattered. He had a couple runs that had none chance either because the OL didn’t block well or the defense was keying in on the run.Well, for Stevenson, it was a good game technically. 3.3 ypc tonight which is slightly above his average for the season, so yeah, he will remain “the man” if he continues with these type of stellar performances
To start the game he had runs of
4, 8, 7, 9, 4, 4.
At this point it was Pats 24-7, and NEP was in clock drain mode. The game felt over. RS had a few negative runs -5, -1, 0, etc.
Not all touches are created equal. When the game was still a game, RS averaged 6 YPC. The rest of the way hardly seems fair to judge him by.
Opinions on this may differ. Statistically speaking, yes - he had 3.3 YPC. Yuck, stinky poo. But he absolutely contributed to the win in the 1st half as a runner and a receiver. Had a rushing and receiving 1st down as well.
His receiving numbers were inflated by a dump off where there was literally NOBODY even in the vicinity of him. Great play by Maye to avoid the rush but the play would have gone for more than 35 yards if Stephenson wasn’t so slow.
Maybe the Pats are conserving Henderson for the playoffs. Only thing I can think of.
Each to their own I suppose.
ETA: also worth reiterating that RS is better in pass pro. Running back quality is measured in more than YPC. RS is a good football player.
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brun
Footballguy
I loved everything about this play. A QB putting himself out there to try and get the 1st down. A defender with a spectacular hit to stop the QB. The QB bouncing right back up. The QB's bench going to his defense.The view down the sidelines that has been posted three times. One you seem to want to ignoreI don't get it, man. You keep going to lateral views. You can't tell anything from that. Their heads could easily be three feet apart in that shot. They could also be touching. The point is there is no way to know from that angle. It's a parallax effect. Hollywood exploits that all the time.
Jaxson Dart Hit Sparks Patriots-Giants Clash Over Patrick Mahomes Debate
During a recent Monday Night Football game, Jaxson Dart, the New York Giants quarterback, faced a significant hit that ignited a scuffle between the Giants and New England Patriots. This incident raises crucial questions about player protection and perceptions of quarterback hits in the NFL...
His helmet is lowered and he's not hitting a shoulder. I see you're laughing. Man, why do you think sports photographers have shutters that go every .2 of a second or whatever?
Did you watch the video down the sidelines? It's a pretty darn clear angle and, in real time it doesn't look like there is anything but shoulder to shoulder contact.
What view would you like to go to? I'll keep trying to find one. The Tik Tok one is from the end zone. It's not a lateral view.
I'm not showing you two persepctives or different speeds in the foreground at all. i hope you don't care that I'm later at night and just correcting your understanding of the term. I mean, I'll once again take the position of epistemic humility and say I could be wrong about this term, but that doesn't sound the correct usage, even though it isn't tremendously important you know the right name for what you're saying are the illusions that the two pictures I posted give. I'll fully admit to wanting a better view that the still lifes I gave. I'm unable to freeze the video on my television which is plenty big enough but the remote isn't pausing at impact and the other remote isn't working.
As far as the effect, I looked to see if I was doing anything or susceptible to illusion myself because I don't fully know, but after hunting around for like ten minutes, reading definitions and and consulting about three sources, the parallax effect doesn't mean or name any vantage point that I've given (it usually means, I gather, that when two people are looking at something from different angles that they perceive two differing senses of direction regarding the object. in Hollywood, it apparently is to slow down a foreground object and alter the background in some way to give an illusion of a different rate of motion of the object you're looking at, and the effect is usually deliberately done to manipulate. If I'm wrong I apologize in advance.
parallax
noun
par·al·lax ˈper-ə-ˌlaks
ˈpa-rə-
: the apparent displacement or the difference in apparent direction of an object as seen from two different points not on a straight line with the object
especially : the angular difference in direction of a celestial body as measured from two points on the earth's orbit
- YouTube
Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
And don't be pedantic.
Let's play football. Let's hit people.
efactor
Footballguy
LOLSeems like you have a bias against RS, since the facts didn’t align with your conclusion.He’s terribleThat never tells the whole story. He churned out some big gains when it mattered. He had a couple runs that had none chance either because the OL didn’t block well or the defense was keying in on the run.Well, for Stevenson, it was a good game technically. 3.3 ypc tonight which is slightly above his average for the season, so yeah, he will remain “the man” if he continues with these type of stellar performances
To start the game he had runs of
4, 8, 7, 9, 4, 4.
At this point it was Pats 24-7, and NEP was in clock drain mode. The game felt over. RS had a few negative runs -5, -1, 0, etc.
Not all touches are created equal. When the game was still a game, RS averaged 6 YPC. The rest of the way hardly seems fair to judge him by.
Opinions on this may differ. Statistically speaking, yes - he had 3.3 YPC. Yuck, stinky poo. But he absolutely contributed to the win in the 1st half as a runner and a receiver. Had a rushing and receiving 1st down as well.
His receiving numbers were inflated by a dump off where there was literally NOBODY even in the vicinity of him. Great play by Maye to avoid the rush but the play would have gone for more than 35 yards if Stephenson wasn’t so slow.
Maybe the Pats are conserving Henderson for the playoffs. Only thing I can think of.
Each to their own I suppose.
Your insistence that Stevenson is still actually good is laughingly funny.
The facts bear it out. 3.2 YPC is terrible regardless of situation. He looks old and slow. His couple big plays this year are similar. Dump off passes with nobody around. 3rd and 1 run up the middle last night and he lost 5 yards. He had a couple OK runs at the beginning of the game last night but overall another suckfest for him other than the 35 yard reception that would have been 50 plus or a TD if it had been Henderson.
But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your narrative
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
We’re having 2 different conversations, so this is where I bow out. We can agree to disagree on what makes a RB good. I just question your acumen when you keep dying on this YPC hill.
efactor
Footballguy
Always respect your posts but disagree a little here. Similar to Gibbs rookie year where his usage was limited by Montgomery. But I did understand that a bit since Montgomery was actually good and Stevenson isn’t at this point in his career.He’s terribleThat never tells the whole story. He churned out some big gains when it mattered. He had a couple runs that had none chance either because the OL didn’t block well or the defense was keying in on the run.Well, for Stevenson, it was a good game technically. 3.3 ypc tonight which is slightly above his average for the season, so yeah, he will remain “the man” if he continues with these type of stellar performances
To start the game he had runs of
4, 8, 7, 9, 4, 4.
At this point it was Pats 24-7, and NEP was in clock drain mode. The game felt over. RS had a few negative runs -5, -1, 0, etc.
Not all touches are created equal. When the game was still a game, RS averaged 6 YPC. The rest of the way hardly seems fair to judge him by.
Opinions on this may differ. Statistically speaking, yes - he had 3.3 YPC. Yuck, stinky poo. But he absolutely contributed to the win in the 1st half as a runner and a receiver. Had a rushing and receiving 1st down as well.
His receiving numbers were inflated by a dump off where there was literally NOBODY even in the vicinity of him. Great play by Maye to avoid the rush but the play would have gone for more than 35 yards if Stephenson wasn’t so slow.
Maybe the Pats are conserving Henderson for the playoffs. Only thing I can think of.
McDaniels is an RBBC OC...I don't see them ever having a legit bellcow while he is there and there is a good chance he will be there for a long time (which is a very good thing for the Pats)...things are starting to trend the way I thought they might going into the offseason with their usage but I just don't think the Pats ever envisioned Henderson being a 20 carry per game RB when they drafted him...IMO they key to him reaching his full value will be his involvement in the passing game...in the last 5 games he has got a target share of 6, 1, 5, 4, 4 and has had 4, 1, 5, 3, 3 receptions...add that to 10-12 carries a game and he should be good for about 15 touches a game...overall it is very apparent that they are far more comfortable with him than they were earlier in the season but whether it is Stevenson or someone who eventually replaces him this is going to be some form of RBBC.
I think Henderson will be the bellow soon. The explosive plays are to hard to ignore at playoff time.
efactor
Footballguy
No RB averaging 3.2 YPC is good. Simple.
Dizzy
Footballguy
My take-away's from last night...
1) NYG are in tank mode ROS. Felt like the call came down during 2nd QTR... don't get our QB killed and start running the clock out. Do not, I repeat DO NOT try to win this game.
2) NEP backfield will be split ROS... thinking about the Gibbs comparison for Henderson (that apparently Vrabel made)... probably views it as speed backs are better (fresher), more explosive with fewer touches.
1) NYG are in tank mode ROS. Felt like the call came down during 2nd QTR... don't get our QB killed and start running the clock out. Do not, I repeat DO NOT try to win this game.
2) NEP backfield will be split ROS... thinking about the Gibbs comparison for Henderson (that apparently Vrabel made)... probably views it as speed backs are better (fresher), more explosive with fewer touches.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And yet he keeps Maye vertical better, and has more power. So… yeah. Your evaluation is severely lacking.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You mean “bell cow”?
Anyway, Hendo likely has more explosive plays when he’s not running into the teeth of the defense 20+x a game.
This backfield will continue to be split as long as both are healthy.
efactor
Footballguy
He bigger but certainly don’t see any real “power”. Can’t punch it in at the goalline and losses 5 yards on 3rd and 1 last night. He looked so slow
I know he’s on your FF team but you’re evaluation of his RB skills at this point in his career are off the chart bad. 3.2 a carry says it all.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
There’s more to a running back then YPC. But we can agree to disagree. Go Niners.
Boston
Footballguy
Always respect your posts but disagree a little here. Similar to Gibbs rookie year where his usage was limited by Montgomery. But I did understand that a bit since Montgomery was actually good and Stevenson isn’t at this point in his career.He’s terribleThat never tells the whole story. He churned out some big gains when it mattered. He had a couple runs that had none chance either because the OL didn’t block well or the defense was keying in on the run.Well, for Stevenson, it was a good game technically. 3.3 ypc tonight which is slightly above his average for the season, so yeah, he will remain “the man” if he continues with these type of stellar performances
To start the game he had runs of
4, 8, 7, 9, 4, 4.
At this point it was Pats 24-7, and NEP was in clock drain mode. The game felt over. RS had a few negative runs -5, -1, 0, etc.
Not all touches are created equal. When the game was still a game, RS averaged 6 YPC. The rest of the way hardly seems fair to judge him by.
Opinions on this may differ. Statistically speaking, yes - he had 3.3 YPC. Yuck, stinky poo. But he absolutely contributed to the win in the 1st half as a runner and a receiver. Had a rushing and receiving 1st down as well.
His receiving numbers were inflated by a dump off where there was literally NOBODY even in the vicinity of him. Great play by Maye to avoid the rush but the play would have gone for more than 35 yards if Stephenson wasn’t so slow.
Maybe the Pats are conserving Henderson for the playoffs. Only thing I can think of.
McDaniels is an RBBC OC...I don't see them ever having a legit bellcow while he is there and there is a good chance he will be there for a long time (which is a very good thing for the Pats)...things are starting to trend the way I thought they might going into the offseason with their usage but I just don't think the Pats ever envisioned Henderson being a 20 carry per game RB when they drafted him...IMO they key to him reaching his full value will be his involvement in the passing game...in the last 5 games he has got a target share of 6, 1, 5, 4, 4 and has had 4, 1, 5, 3, 3 receptions...add that to 10-12 carries a game and he should be good for about 15 touches a game...overall it is very apparent that they are far more comfortable with him than they were earlier in the season but whether it is Stevenson or someone who eventually replaces him this is going to be some form of RBBC.
I think Henderson will be the bellow soon. The explosive plays are to hard to ignore at playoff time.
I much prefer Henderson but a McDaniels backfield is usually RBBC...I don't disagree that Henderson could get a bigger slice of the pie if he continues the path he is on but Stevenson is not going away and if you are a Henderson Owner you have to be thankful Gibson is still not around.
On another note the Pats O-line is not a very good run-blocking unit (it is really hurting them around the goal-line)...they are built more for pass-blocking...while they are dramatically better than last year it is still a work in progress...I could see Wilson going to Center next year and them having two new starting Guards...I think you will see a nice uptick in their run game next year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep. This is why focusing solely on YPC is, IMO, shortsighted. Not the only reason, but one of the reasons for sure.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
It's really difficult to describe things in a concrete, universal way. It's way different comparing a red zone carry when there is a run blitz and a RB gets hit as soon as he touches the ball. That isn't on the he RB. Just like a RB having a hole 10 feet wide isn't on the RB either. So each guy could have one carry. RB A starts at -5 yards. RB B at 25 yards. Neither outcome really was impacted by the RB, it was the situation and the blocking.
I am not arguing that Henderson isn't a bigger threat on any play. Nor am I arguing that Stevenson is a great back. But Henderson gets stuffed many times as well. And Stevenson does fine when there are holes to run through. IMO, Stevenson does better at finishing off runs once he gets past the LOS and can push the pile for 2-3 more yards. Henderson's strength is slipping through for 6 or 8 more yards. They arent the same style of RB, and they each have strengths and weaknesses.
If we go back a few weeks, I suggested that RS and TH would split touches but RS would get more snaps once RS came back. The touch count against NYG was 15/14 and the snap count was 38/32. This is likely the new normal. Which really isn't all that new. We still haven't seen what NE would do in a tight game. Henderson had 6 late game touches in a blowout to make the total touch count a lot closer. But up until the last few minutes of the game, RS held almost a 2 to 1 advantage.
Bottom line, we are pretty much where many of us thought this would be. Most likely a 50/50 split of the actual workload. Which was the way JMD has played out this situation in the past.
fatness
Footballguy
Video of hit on Dart: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1995670492775374871
sideline view 1: https://i.postimg.cc/CMCmqyV0/hit.png
sideline view 2: https://i.postimg.cc/FhHD7nWn/hit2.png
sideline view 1: https://i.postimg.cc/CMCmqyV0/hit.png
sideline view 2: https://i.postimg.cc/FhHD7nWn/hit2.png
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree with every word of this. Every single word.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d also be interested in knowing who was in the backfield on the plays Maye got sacked. I’m not sure if there’s a way to look that up?
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