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Kolkini's was first.

Daboll needs to be the second. Although it's tough to play offense when your best player is a kick returner.

 
Shaun Rogers and Mike Furrey have to be wondering what they've done to be cursed with the Pro careers they've had...stuck in Detroit and then on to Cleveland :sadbanana:

 
kd1 said:
can somebody describe the long mason play to me please
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My back was turned and when I heard the announcers getting excited I saw Mason running a long ways down the sidelineThen I finished my postYWThat cheap shot by Quinn was the same punk move Sanchez pulled earlier this year (the Jets QB actually called the guy and apoligized...I forget who it was)ETA: It was Vilma...$5K fineHe also apologized for the the hot dogYesterday he apologized for his crappy play :sadbanana:
 
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Neither of the passes intercepted were terrible passes. Were they great? no way, but they weren't terrible. Both of them bounced off the hands or shoulder pads of the intended receiver. The offense is horrible, but it's not all the fault of the QB (Quinn or DA). If they draft a QB with their top 5 pick, I'm going to go ballistic.

 
Fallerjw said:
Neither of the passes intercepted were terrible passes. Were they great? no way, but they weren't terrible. Both of them bounced off the hands or shoulder pads of the intended receiver. The offense is horrible, but it's not all the fault of the QB (Quinn or DA). If they draft a QB with their top 5 pick, I'm going to go ballistic.
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Seriously? The 1st pass was flat out awful. He threw a quick pass way off line before the receiver was out of his break. The 2nd pass, not great, but not totally on Quinn either. I don't know you, but I like you... please do not be a Quinn apologist like 80% of the people in Ohio.
 
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Mangini reminds me of a fantasy owner with 2 startable QB's and every week he picks the wrong one. I half expect him to show up in the Week 10 Venting thread after this game.

 
Tell me you guys saw that sign:

"Hey Browns, it's our birthday, how about a Win!

Touchdown!

First Down?

:sadbanana:

God, I feel for the Browns fans!

 
Nobody ever gets fired after their first year, right?

I cannot believe what an incapable administrator Mangini is...but it can't be all him right? It has to be systemic. I never liked his offensive philosophy when he was here, but the organization is solid. Cleveland is just so pathetic on and off the field.

 
I don't understand the Wildcat, hurry up offense, etc... You have a bunch of young guys on offense in their first year. Why not let them just play ball and learn?

 
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Everytime I watch the Browns, I think: this must be the worst team in the NFL.

But I feel the same way every time I watch the Rams, Lions, and Raiders. And a couple of times this year, I've felt the same about the Redskins and Chiefs.

I don't think I ever remember so many bad teams in the NFL as there are right now.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Nobody ever gets fired after their first year, right?

I cannot believe what an incapable administrator Mangini is...but it can't be all him right? It has to be systemic. I never liked his offensive philosophy when he was here, but the organization is solid. Cleveland is just so pathetic on and off the field.
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Most of this offense was Mangini's doing.The OC.

Trading Braylon and Winslow.

The poor handling of QB's.

Signing John St. Clair.

Drafting two rookie WR's...and then not playing one of them, instead playing a special teams ace and a journey man never was.

Not doing anything to address RB.

There are systematic problems in Cleveland, but most of the finger pointing is at an ineffective offense, and a lot of that is on Mangini. If he gets another year then he has to ace this draft and have the offense pull a 180, I don't see him making it to November next season if it's more of this.

 
timschochet said:
Everytime I watch the Browns, I think: this must be the worst team in the NFL.

But I feel the same way every time I watch the Rams, Lions, and Raiders. And a couple of times this year, I've felt the same about the Redskins and Chiefs.

I don't think I ever remember so many bad teams in the NFL as there are right now.
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I agree.
 
I like the Browns strategy of throwing bubble screens by the dozen against a team that has given up more 20+ yard passing plays than just about anyone.

 
MAC_32 said:
BobbyLayne said:
Nobody ever gets fired after their first year, right?

I cannot believe what an incapable administrator Mangini is...but it can't be all him right? It has to be systemic. I never liked his offensive philosophy when he was here, but the organization is solid. Cleveland is just so pathetic on and off the field.
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Most of this offense was Mangini's doing.The OC.

Trading Braylon and Winslow.

The poor handling of QB's.

Signing John St. Clair.

Drafting two rookie WR's...and then not playing one of them, instead playing a special teams ace and a journey man never was.

Not doing anything to address RB.

There are systematic problems in Cleveland, but most of the finger pointing is at an ineffective offense, and a lot of that is on Mangini. If he gets another year then he has to ace this draft and have the offense pull a 180, I don't see him making it to November next season if it's more of this.
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:unsure: Well, I have some bias because I didn't like him here. Kind of like when You Play to Win the Game left, I figured he would lay an egg in K.C...but what amazed all of us is the Chiefs kept him around for longer than he deserved.

This is Mangini's staff. The OC is clearly the wrong guy for the job. Ryan has the pedigree, but jeebus, 10 men on the field? What kind of contract does he have? Just curious how long of a leash he has, how the ownership and fan base feels about him.

I don't see any reason to bring him back, but 1) rarely if ever do HCs get canned after only one season, and 2) they have had so much disruptive turnover already this year, maybe they want some kind of stablity.

Guess a lot of it depends on who runs football operations and who becomes the GM.

 
MAC_32 said:
BobbyLayne said:
Nobody ever gets fired after their first year, right?

I cannot believe what an incapable administrator Mangini is...but it can't be all him right? It has to be systemic. I never liked his offensive philosophy when he was here, but the organization is solid. Cleveland is just so pathetic on and off the field.
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Most of this offense was Mangini's doing.The OC.

Trading Braylon and Winslow.

The poor handling of QB's.

Signing John St. Clair.

Drafting two rookie WR's...and then not playing one of them, instead playing a special teams ace and a journey man never was.

Not doing anything to address RB.

There are systematic problems in Cleveland, but most of the finger pointing is at an ineffective offense, and a lot of that is on Mangini. If he gets another year then he has to ace this draft and have the offense pull a 180, I don't see him making it to November next season if it's more of this.
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I like trading Braylon and Kellen, but I agree with everything else. Braylon and Winslow were problem childs, and they did receive great value for Kellen.
 
drm1125 said:
I'm not sure any QB could do anything tonight. Qiunn has no time to throw the ball.
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Because Baltimore was stacking the line, and for a reason. Quinn had time to throw early on, but once he decided to throw the quick dump passes and screens, Baltimore decided to lineup and stack the line.
 
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BobbyLayne said:
Guess a lot of it depends on who runs football operations and who becomes the GM.
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That's what word around here is saying, Lerner's hiring a GM/Pres and letting them decide who to coach the team.Something he should have done last season.

Lerner has good intentions, but he doesn't know what the hell he is doing.

 
GreatLakesMike said:
drm1125 said:
I'm not sure any QB could do anything tonight. Qiunn has no time to throw the ball.
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Because Baltimore was stacking the line, and for a reason. Quinn had time to throw early on, but once he decided that he was going to throw the quick dump passes and screens, Baltimore decided to lineup and stack the line.
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I'm not 100% convinced these are Quinn's decisions. They keep talking about how no WR's are running patterns deeper than 5-10 yards.
 
PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
On the bright side, I'm liking Maiava.
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One of the great defensive players ever to come out of Hawaii. With the Trojans, they had so many great linebackers during most of his time there (Rivers, Cushing, Mauluga, Matthews) and they play a 4-3, so Maiava rarely got on the field. He was special teams captain, and always gave a great effort when he did come on. I had a feeling he was going to be a steal in the draft. Years from now, when we look at their success in the NFL, last year's USC defense will likely be considered the most talented in the history of college football.
 
GreatLakesMike said:
MAC_32 said:
BobbyLayne said:
Nobody ever gets fired after their first year, right?

I cannot believe what an incapable administrator Mangini is...but it can't be all him right? It has to be systemic. I never liked his offensive philosophy when he was here, but the organization is solid. Cleveland is just so pathetic on and off the field.
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Most of this offense was Mangini's doing.The OC.

Trading Braylon and Winslow.

The poor handling of QB's.

Signing John St. Clair.

Drafting two rookie WR's...and then not playing one of them, instead playing a special teams ace and a journey man never was.

Not doing anything to address RB.

There are systematic problems in Cleveland, but most of the finger pointing is at an ineffective offense, and a lot of that is on Mangini. If he gets another year then he has to ace this draft and have the offense pull a 180, I don't see him making it to November next season if it's more of this.
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I like trading Braylon and Kellen, but I agree with everything else. Braylon and Winslow were problem childs, and they did receive great value for Kellen.
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I think trading them was best too.However, a coach isn't going to survive in this league with this product on the field. Moving those two has definitely impacted the short term product, even if it is the best move for the long term.

 
MAC_32 said:
BobbyLayne said:
Guess a lot of it depends on who runs football operations and who becomes the GM.
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That's what word around here is saying, Lerner's hiring a GM/Pres and letting them decide who to coach the team.Something he should have done last season.

Lerner has good intentions, but he doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
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I agree. Lerner could be the perfect owner if he'd ever hire good people. He's willing to spend money and stay out of the day to day operations.
 
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