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Lions Jones, Williams Will Lead Martz's New "Show"

Mike Fowler

6/27/2006

ALLEN PARK - The first time the Lions hit the field for their public training camp session will be the first time the fans will get to see the Detroit version of "The Show", the new offense being installed by offensive coordinator Mike Martz.

Make no mistake, you will be excited.

While Martz plays no favorites and uses the players that produce, early on it is apparent that two players have risen to the forefront and are likely to stay there: wide receiver Roy Williams and running back Kevin Jones.

Williams has taken to Martz's offense like a duck takes to water, so much so, that the two seem enamored with each other to a fault. Williams told me after a minicamp session that he was in awe of Martz. "I'm like, where did you get these guys from," Williams said he asked general manager Matt Millen. Williams used the word, "unstoppable" when he talked about the offense.

When asked if he thought Williams was special, Martz smiled and said, "I do. Roy's one of those guys that it doesn't take very long to be around him to see (he's special). If you've watched practice out here at all it's not hard to figure that one out. I think he could be very effective.

The third-year wideout from Texas has separated himself so much from the pack that he is the clear and away #1 receiver and will likely play the role that Isaac Bruce played in St. Louis as the split end who runs the deep out patterns.

Williams grasped the concepts quickly and could be seen speeding through the routes, breaking with precision and grabbing the high tosses he favors from quarterback Jon Kitna, who loves Williams' willingness to go over the middle and make the tough catch. "He doesn't mind exposing himself for a minute" said Kitna.

While Charles Rogers seemed to be catching up to Cory Bradford and Mike Furrey who were slightly ahead of him for one of the other starting receiver positions, it appears only injury can slow down Williams.

Just as impressive knifing through the line of scrimmage, making the cut around the end and especially catching the ball out of the backfield has been Kevin Jones.

Jones looks like a star in waiting, ready to be showcased in an offense that suits his immense talents. And give him credit for putting in the extra work catching the football this offseason. Jones loves the 'work-til-you-drop' philosophy of head coach Rod Marinell. "For me, I've always been that way," said the likeable Jones.

His improvement in catching the ball has been stunning. While he isn't Marshall Faulk-like just yet, he is the kind of durable back who gets better with more touches that Martz desires. Jones is a true bellcow ready to take on 25-35 touches in a game and produce.

"He's done a great job with [catching the ball]. They put him on the JUGS machine, I guess about the last two months, Wilbert (Montgomery) has, and he's very comfortable catching the ball right now. He's really a well-rounded back. In the protections he does a nice job of breaking down and taking guys on, he understands it. There's a lot for him to learn. When you're the premier ballcarrier, you kind of have a role as that, and then you kind of (think) "we'll get somebody else to do those (other) things. We don't do that with him, he has to do it all and he's accepted that very well."

His progress has been so impressive that last year's competition, Artose Pinner who regularly split time with him, appears to be an afterthought and a longshot to even make the squad.Veteran Arlen Harris has supplantedPinner as the backup and even longtime Lions veteran Cory Schlesinger appears to be an odd-man out as Jones looks to become the next super star back in the line of Billy Sims and Barry Sanders.

Whether any of this translates into more wins for the Honolulu Blue and Silver remains to be seen, but there will be two guys who get to be the focal point of the Lions offense for better or for worse. If they can stay healthy, here's betting on the better part.

http://lions.scout.com

I think I am starting to drink Roy kool-aid again. Taste so good in the preseason.

 
This is my favorite part:

While Charles Rogers seemed to be catching up to Cory Bradford and Mike Furrey who were slightly ahead of him for one of the other starting receiver positions, it appears only injury can slow down Williams.
:popcorn:
 
just noticed Dodds has KJ projected for 55 receptions :shock:
I think that is an accurate projection. Martz loves to pass, as well all know. John Kitna has experience and we know he is capable of producing (Bengals). With all those 1st round WR picks, certaining someone will step up (like Williams). Detroit will have a stellar offense this season, and Jones will be the centerpiece much like Faulk was in StLouis for so many years.The fact that many say Jones may not be in on third downs does not concern me, as a StLouis resident I can tell you from all my Rams games, Mike Martz almost always passes on 3rd down anyway (he's not a run the ball type of guy). That being said, most of the RB duties will come on the 1st and 2nd downs, much like it did for Faulk in StLouis. As long as Martz keeps Jones in when they are in the redzone, I see Jones having a huge year.

 
This is my favorite part:

While Charles Rogers seemed to be catching up to Cory Bradford and Mike Furrey who were slightly ahead of him for one of the other starting receiver positions, it appears only injury can slow down Williams.
:popcorn:
I wonder if, when Charles Rogers reads that sentence, he realizes how far hes fallen, by being pushed to the #4 WR role by a short, slow white guy who played FS last year.
 
Lions Jones, Williams Will Lead Martz's New "Show"

Mike Fowler

6/27/2006

ALLEN PARK - The first time the Lions hit the field for their public training camp session will be the first time the fans will get to see the Detroit version of "The Show", the new offense being installed by offensive coordinator Mike Martz.

Make no mistake, you will be excited.

While Martz plays no favorites and uses the players that produce, early on it is apparent that two players have risen to the forefront and are likely to stay there: wide receiver Roy Williams and running back Kevin Jones.

Williams has taken to Martz's offense like a duck takes to water, so much so, that the two seem enamored with each other to a fault. Williams told me after a minicamp session that he was in awe of Martz. "I'm like, where did you get these guys from," Williams said he asked general manager Matt Millen. Williams used the word, "unstoppable" when he talked about the offense.

When asked if he thought Williams was special, Martz smiled and said, "I do. Roy's one of those guys that it doesn't take very long to be around him to see (he's special). If you've watched practice out here at all it's not hard to figure that one out. I think he could be very effective.

The third-year wideout from Texas has separated himself so much from the pack that he is the clear and away #1 receiver and will likely play the role that Isaac Bruce played in St. Louis as the split end who runs the deep out patterns.

Williams grasped the concepts quickly and could be seen speeding through the routes, breaking with precision and grabbing the high tosses he favors from quarterback Jon Kitna, who loves Williams' willingness to go over the middle and make the tough catch. "He doesn't mind exposing himself for a minute" said Kitna.

While Charles Rogers seemed to be catching up to Cory Bradford and Mike Furrey who were slightly ahead of him for one of the other starting receiver positions, it appears only injury can slow down Williams.

Just as impressive knifing through the line of scrimmage, making the cut around the end and especially catching the ball out of the backfield has been Kevin Jones.

Jones looks like a star in waiting, ready to be showcased in an offense that suits his immense talents. And give him credit for putting in the extra work catching the football this offseason. Jones loves the 'work-til-you-drop' philosophy of head coach Rod Marinell. "For me, I've always been that way," said the likeable Jones.

His improvement in catching the ball has been stunning. While he isn't Marshall Faulk-like just yet, he is the kind of durable back who gets better with more touches that Martz desires. Jones is a true bellcow ready to take on 25-35 touches in a game and produce.

"He's done a great job with [catching the ball]. They put him on the JUGS machine, I guess about the last two months, Wilbert (Montgomery) has, and he's very comfortable catching the ball right now. He's really a well-rounded back. In the protections he does a nice job of breaking down and taking guys on, he understands it. There's a lot for him to learn. When you're the premier ballcarrier, you kind of have a role as that, and then you kind of (think) "we'll get somebody else to do those (other) things. We don't do that with him, he has to do it all and he's accepted that very well."

His progress has been so impressive that last year's competition, Artose Pinner who regularly split time with him, appears to be an afterthought and a longshot to even make the squad.Veteran Arlen Harris has supplantedPinner as the backup and even longtime Lions veteran Cory Schlesinger appears to be an odd-man out as Jones looks to become the next super star back in the line of Billy Sims and Barry Sanders.

Whether any of this translates into more wins for the Honolulu Blue and Silver remains to be seen, but there will be two guys who get to be the focal point of the Lions offense for better or for worse. If they can stay healthy, here's betting on the better part.

http://lions.scout.com

I think I am starting to drink Roy kool-aid again. Taste so good in the preseason.
Just because he's good at handling JUGS, doesn't mean he'll be a star receiver. I know from personal experience.
 
This is my favorite part:

While Charles Rogers seemed to be catching up to Cory Bradford and Mike Furrey who were slightly ahead of him for one of the other starting receiver positions, it appears only injury can slow down Williams.
:popcorn:
I wonder if, when Charles Rogers reads that sentence, he realizes how far hes fallen, by being pushed to the #4 WR role by a short, slow white guy who played FS last year.
Where's this leave Mike Williams? The highest paid #5 WR in the league?
 
nice to hear. unfortunately both of them play for the lions, something will probably go wrong. Both guys have had injury issues in their first two seasons. i need to see a healthy year out of both of them before i'm sold. man, being a lions fan kinda sucks... :bag:

 
nice to hear. unfortunately both of them play for the lions, something will probably go wrong. Both guys have had injury issues in their first two seasons. i need to see a healthy year out of both of them before i'm sold. man, being a lions fan kinda sucks... :bag:
It does suck when the only time of year you can be excited about your team is in the offseason. Nevertheless, IF Roy stays healthy, I can't see him producing less than 1200 yds/9 tds. Go Lions!

 
nice to hear. unfortunately both of them play for the lions, something will probably go wrong. Both guys have had injury issues in their first two seasons. i need to see a healthy year out of both of them before i'm sold. man, being a lions fan kinda sucks... :bag:
It does suck when the only time of year you can be excited about your team is in the offseason. Nevertheless, IF Roy stays healthy, I can't see him producing less than 1200 yds/9 tds. Go Lions!
We're used to it by now. Roy should be the best WR in Detroit since Moore, maybe better. Restore the ROAR!

 
Good article but this quote really has me scratching my head:

"While he isn't Marshall Faulk-like just yet, he is the kind of durable back who gets better with more touches that Martz desires. Jones is a true bellcow ready to take on 25-35 touches in a game and produce."

 
Good article but this quote really has me scratching my head:

"While he isn't Marshall Faulk-like just yet, he is the kind of durable back who gets better with more touches that Martz desires. Jones is a true bellcow ready to take on 25-35 touches in a game and produce."
Must be a fantasy owner of Calhoun ......................
 
Definitely an article that would belong in the master camp hype thread.

I believe in Martz though, so I'd put this as more likely to live up to the hype in some fashion than most stories of this type.

 
I don't see why all the love for Jones under the martz offense. what about Steven Jackson? I would put him above jones in any offense. But under Martz, Jackson got screwed by Martz's crazy play calling. why all of a sudden does everyone believe that martz is actually going to hand the ball off. 25 - 35 touches a game? So whats that, about 18 passes and 7 running plays.

I like the prospect of Martz for the passing game, but I expect nothing for the run game, just like all those years in St. Louis. Faulk was a great back, but all his production was in the passing game for the most part. I'll believe it when I see it.

 
But under Martz, Jackson got screwed by Martz's crazy play calling. why all of a sudden does everyone believe that martz is actually going to hand the ball off.
Because Martz is not the head coach. Rod Marinelli is. And Marinelli has stated that he believes in establishing the power running game.Rams run% when Martz was was head coach:

2000: 39.5%

2001: 43.0%

2002: 35.1%

2003: 40.7%

2004: 39.6%

2005: 38.9%

Pretty ugly for a RB. But when Martz was OC in 99, the Rams ran the ball 44.8% of the time, which is pretty standard for a balanced team.

 
I would like to point out that Faulk had perhaps the two greatest fantasy football seasons in recent history, 2000 and 2001, under Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz....

Its true Mike Martz loves to pass.....but pass yards and TDs also count for RBs in almost every league....

Faulk had over 80 receptions in both years, in addition to all those TDs and yards....

Martz will make Jones a signifigantly better fantasy football player.

 
I would like to point out that Faulk had perhaps the two greatest fantasy football seasons in recent history, 2000 and 2001, under Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz....

Its true Mike Martz loves to pass.....but pass yards and TDs also count for RBs in almost every league....

Faulk had over 80 receptions in both years, in addition to all those TDs and yards....

Martz will make Jones a signifigantly better fantasy football player.
KJ could be a sneaky play in PPR leagues.
 
I would like to point out that Faulk had perhaps the two greatest fantasy football seasons in recent history, 2000 and 2001, under Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz....

Its true Mike Martz loves to pass.....but pass yards and TDs also count for RBs in almost every league....

Faulk had over 80 receptions in both years, in addition to all those TDs and yards....

Martz will make Jones a signifigantly better fantasy football player.
KJ could be a sneaky play in PPR leagues.
I think that's being overblown a little.Martz teams haven't really thrown more to RBs as a whole than any other team. When Faulk was catching 80 passes, other backs on the team were totalling 20-30 catches all added together.

Last year Steven Jackson caught 43 passes as a starter and Faulk got 44 as a situational player. Other backs totalled 5. The Lions have Shawn Bryson who has proven himself to be a very good receiver, and Brian Calhoun, who was drafted as a third-down back type.

I don't think you can look at Faulk's 80+ catch seasons and say Martz loves to throw to his running backs, or in particular his feature back. I think it's more of an indication that Martz loved to throw to the best receiving RB in NFL history. I don't see KJ being used the same way.

 
I wonder if, when Charles Rogers reads that sentence, he realizes how far hes fallen, by being pushed to the #4 WR role by a short, slow white guy who played FS last year.
holy ####.that's quite possibly one of this offseason's funniest posts.... sig'd

 
I would like to point out that Faulk had perhaps the two greatest fantasy football seasons in recent history, 2000 and 2001, under Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz....

Its true Mike Martz loves to pass.....but pass yards and TDs also count for RBs in almost every league....

Faulk had over 80 receptions in both years, in addition to all those TDs and yards....

Martz will make Jones a signifigantly better fantasy football player.
KJ could be a sneaky play in PPR leagues.
I think that's being overblown a little.Martz teams haven't really thrown more to RBs as a whole than any other team. When Faulk was catching 80 passes, other backs on the team were totalling 20-30 catches all added together.

Last year Steven Jackson caught 43 passes as a starter and Faulk got 44 as a situational player. Other backs totalled 5. The Lions have Shawn Bryson who has proven himself to be a very good receiver, and Brian Calhoun, who was drafted as a third-down back type.

I don't think you can look at Faulk's 80+ catch seasons and say Martz loves to throw to his running backs, or in particular his feature back. I think it's more of an indication that Martz loved to throw to the best receiving RB in NFL history. I don't see KJ being used the same way.
My point was that Martz throws the ball a ton, and to everyone.....he simply passes the ball like a mad man (which he is).If the Rams had one sure fire starter last year, that player would have had 60-80 receptions....but they split duty between Faulk and Jackson....

As long as Martz takes a liking to Jones (which early reports are that he has), I see a huge season for him.

 
Because Martz is not the head coach. Rod Marinelli is. And Marinelli has stated that he believes in establishing the power running game.
Dang shame he has K Jones as his RB then.lol. DET = players to avoid. Nothing new here

 
Because Martz is not the head coach. Rod Marinelli is. And Marinelli has stated that he believes in establishing the power running game.
Dang shame he has K Jones as his RB then.lol. DET = players to avoid. Nothing new here
Feel free. Leave KJ and Roy to those of us who want to win.I laugh at those guys drafting Calhoun.

 
I would like to point out that Faulk had perhaps the two greatest fantasy football seasons in recent history, 2000 and 2001, under Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz....

Its true Mike Martz loves to pass.....but pass yards and TDs also count for RBs in almost every league....

Faulk had over 80 receptions in both years, in addition to all those TDs and yards....

Martz will make Jones a signifigantly better fantasy football player.
KJ could be a sneaky play in PPR leagues.
I think that's being overblown a little.Martz teams haven't really thrown more to RBs as a whole than any other team. When Faulk was catching 80 passes, other backs on the team were totalling 20-30 catches all added together.

Last year Steven Jackson caught 43 passes as a starter and Faulk got 44 as a situational player. Other backs totalled 5. The Lions have Shawn Bryson who has proven himself to be a very good receiver, and Brian Calhoun, who was drafted as a third-down back type.

I don't think you can look at Faulk's 80+ catch seasons and say Martz loves to throw to his running backs, or in particular his feature back. I think it's more of an indication that Martz loved to throw to the best receiving RB in NFL history. I don't see KJ being used the same way.
You mentioned Jackson caught 43 passes. That's a ton considering he came out on most third downs, came out during most 2 minute drills, and missed a game. If you research what backs other than Marshall have done you will see that Martz throws to every back that gets playing time. He threw it to Canidate, Gordon and Harris.

 
Because Martz is not the head coach. Rod Marinelli is. And Marinelli has stated that he believes in establishing the power running game.
Dang shame he has K Jones as his RB then.lol. DET = players to avoid. Nothing new here
The Lions are 5-1 when KJ gets 20+ carries a game.
 
I really hope Roy Williams comes through this year fantasy-wise. two years ago when our initial dynasty league kicked off I took him as the first rookie WR..even over Larry Fitz. I've looked like a moron so far, but I hope that I don't look like such a clown after this yr.

:banned: :banned:

 
Because Martz is not the head coach. Rod Marinelli is. And Marinelli has stated that he believes in establishing the power running game.
Dang shame he has K Jones as his RB then.lol. DET = players to avoid. Nothing new here
Stop it now. You could say that same about players like Lee Evans, Chester Taylor, and even Edge... in that you normally don't get much out of players in their position on their respective teams. But you just can't do FF that way. Teams change enough in the course of a season that you have to do due diligence in analyzing value... getting beyond "team A = poor fantasy players." Yes, teams like New England tend to spread the ball around and focus less on a given reciever, while the Panthers zero in on one guy. And Denver has normally ridden 1 RB hard and well... but you can't merely analyze value and make projections that way. Much more to the tale, especially when you have a whole new coaching staff in town.

 
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