MORE WRs drafted in the 1st 2 Rounds this year (1 Viewer)

[Team Legacy]

I don't quite understand it. I've looked at it from every angle.

Is it because of the new rules applying to the WRs?

Is it because there are so many question marks at RB this year?

I have 7 in the first 2 rounds -

St Smith, Chad J, TO, Marvin, Holt, Fitz, Moss ---

Has anybody came to the conclusion as to why this is happening?

 

[rzrback77]

I don't quite understand it. I've looked at it from every angle.

Is it because of the new rules applying to the WRs?

Is it because there are so many question marks at RB this year?

I have 7 in the first 2 rounds -

St Smith, Chad J, TO, Marvin, Holt, Fitz, Moss ---

Has anybody came to the conclusion as to why this is happening?

I think it is because of the many RB questions and that some folks feel they can get quality RBs for cheap more than in prior years. WIll guys like D Foster, F Taylor, Rhodes, Addai, Gore, A Green, etc be drafted in 4th and 5th rounds and be solid starters on teams that went RB WR WR early?

 

[Bri]

I think RB WR RB can seem stronger than RB RB WR in that sorta way you map out your picks predraft and guess who falls to you

 

[Sweet Love]

It is also because WRs put up strong numbers LAST year. In 2005 Manning and Culpepper went in the first round in many drafts based on the year they had in 2004. In 2005, their numbers came back down to earth, making those picks wasted (Culp) or a bit of a reach (Manning).

The question here is, will those 6 or 7 WRs (or any for that matter), continue to put up such strong numbers? I am not sure they will...

 

[tex]

Don't know for sure, but maybe more leagues are going to PPR? That would definitely lead to WR's getting a little more love.

 

[P Boy]

Probably because more leagues are "getting it" and going to a graduated ppr scoring system, thus spreading the value of skill players and making WRs more valuable. Because of the new mandated emphasis in the NFL in watching & minimizing CB contact, the NFL is more of a pass-leaning league, which also helps WR production.

 

[Gatorman]

Probably because more leagues are "getting it" and going to a graduated ppr scoring system, thus spreading the value of skill players and making WRs more valuable.

This is a definite possibility, as well as the fact that there is no "clear cut" #1. Figure Holt, Owens, Fitz, Steve Smith, Chad, Marvin, and Moss could all be someones #1 WR on the board so people may feel they are getting their #1 guy in the second round at WR, coupled to whatever RB they already have.If I have Chad as my #1 ranked WR and he is there Middle second and three other idiots (in my mind) took WRs that I rated lower before him, I am perceiving value there, VBD or Not.

 

[(HULK)]

Its because there is some SERIOUS drop off in WR talent after about the top 7 or 8 or so.

 

[LHUCKS]

the first 15 picks should be RBs this year in most H2H formats.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Lots of merky question after about the 13th pick in RB's this year. In standard h2h leagues I could easily see myself going RB/WR/RB.Heck maybe even RB/WR/WR/RB .

The mid 2nd & mid 3rd round RB's are not that different, the WR represents the best vaule in the 2nd. There could be decent value in round 4 for your RB2 as well.

 

[Unlucky]

the first 15 picks should be RBs this year in most H2H formats.

I just despise this, although it may be true.Value-wise, I highly doubt the top 13 at season's end will be RBs.

 

[jurb26]

the first 15 picks should be RBs this year in most H2H formats.

I just despise this, although it may be true.Value-wise, I highly doubt the top 13 at season's end will be RBs.

Probably not, but thats really only because a good few will get hurt or something. WRs don't seem to miss time as easily. Personally, I don't really see any stud WRs worth taking above the 1st couple tiers of RBs. Smith is the #1 WR just about everywhere, but is coming off a career year IMO. Not only that, but Car simply has to realize by now (which I think they do by getting Key) that they need to spread the ball around a little more after that NFCC game. Here are the top 15 RBs on the FBG board:LJ

LT

SA

Portis

Barber

Jackson

Jordan

R.Brown

C.Williams

R.Johnson

Edge

DD

Westy

McGahee

K.Jones

Thats a tough crowd to crack if you ask me. Especially knowing that R.Moss will be there in the 3rd this year. Why in the world would I rush for a WR in rounds 1 or 2?

 

[LHUCKS]

the first 15 picks should be RBs this year in most H2H formats.

I just despise this, although it may be true.

As do I.You can make a case for Steve Smith and possibly Randy Moss but that's about it IMHO. At the very least I wouldn't touch WR until about pick 12. There are certainly no QBs or TEs that enter this discussion.

 

[P Boy]

the first 15 picks should be RBs this year in most H2H formats.

If that's true, leagues need to change their formats.

 

[LHUCKS]

the first 15 picks should be RBs this year in most H2H formats.

If that's true, leagues need to change their formats.

What about WCOFF would you change?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Here is the top 3 round from our buddy radballs WCOFF satelite. It shows something interesting.

I think this will happen in most leagues with PPR. 2 wr's probably go in the top 15 with a heavy WR run at the end of round 2.

Every RB drafted after Rudi J has major questions about a backup stealing time, (sans Dunn, who looks to be excellent value again).

01.01 Shaun Alexander

01.02 LaDainian Tomlinson

01.03 Larry Johnson

01.04 Clinton Portis

01.05 Edgerrin James

01.06 Tiki Barber

01.07 Lamont Jordan

01.08 Brian Westbrook

01.09 Steven Jackson

01.10 Torry Holt

01.11 Ronnie Brown

01.12 Domanick Davis

02.01 Carnell Williams

02.02 Willis McGahee

02.03 Steve Smith

02.04 Rudi Johnson

02.05 Chad Johnson

02.06 Julius Jones

02.07 Antonio Gates

02.08 Peyton Manning

02.09 Larry Fitzgerald

02.10 Terrell Owens

02.11 Marvin Harrison

02.12 Anquan Boldin

03.01 Randy Moss

03.02 Corey Dillon

03.03 Jamal Lewis

03.04 Reggie Bush

03.05 Chester Taylor

03.06 Kevin Jones

03.07 Reggie Wayne

03.08 Warrick Dunn

03.09 Tatum Bell

03.10 Santana Moss

03.11 Darrell Jackson

03.12 Jeremy Shockey

 

[LHUCKS]

01.01 Shaun Alexander

01.02 LaDainian Tomlinson

01.03 Larry Johnson

01.04 Clinton Portis

01.05 Edgerrin James

01.06 Tiki Barber

01.07 Lamont Jordan

01.08 Brian Westbrook

01.09 Steven Jackson

01.10 Torry Holt

01.11 Ronnie Brown

01.12 Domanick Davis

02.01 Carnell Williams

02.02 Willis McGahee

02.03 Steve Smith

02.04 Rudi Johnson

02.05 Chad Johnson

02.06 Julius Jones

02.07 Antonio Gates

02.08 Peyton Manning

02.09 Larry Fitzgerald

02.10 Terrell Owens

02.11 Marvin Harrison

02.12 Anquan Boldin

So 13 of 14 first picks were RB...seems about right...although the Holt pick was horrible.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

01.01 Shaun Alexander

01.02 LaDainian Tomlinson

01.03 Larry Johnson

01.04 Clinton Portis

01.05 Edgerrin James

01.06 Tiki Barber

01.07 Lamont Jordan

01.08 Brian Westbrook

01.09 Steven Jackson

01.10 Torry Holt

01.11 Ronnie Brown

01.12 Domanick Davis

02.01 Carnell Williams

02.02 Willis McGahee

02.03 Steve Smith

02.04 Rudi Johnson

02.05 Chad Johnson

02.06 Julius Jones

02.07 Antonio Gates

02.08 Peyton Manning

02.09 Larry Fitzgerald

02.10 Terrell Owens

02.11 Marvin Harrison

02.12 Anquan Boldin

So 13 of 14 first picks were RB...seems about right...although the Holt pick was horrible.

Agreed. not sure what that guy was thinking

 

[P Boy]

the first 15 picks should be RBs this year in most H2H formats.

If that's true, leagues need to change their formats.

What about WCOFF would you change?

I would say based upon your comment the scoring so that value is spread more equitably and draft strategy would be more diverse than automatically going RB, RB in the 1st two rounds - possibly even rewarding those who dare to think outside the box a bit.

 

[Eagles09]

it all depends on the league setup..... if your doing PPR and your at the end of the 1st round.... (say its a 10 man league) wouldn't you rather have a combo of maybe LaMont Jordan/Steve Smith? rather than LaMont Jordan/Willis McGahee? then you wouldn't get a WR until 30th overall pick, and by then the top 6 or 7 WR are gone....

i would rather grab top tier RB/WR in rounds 1 and 2 and then get my 2nd RB at 30

just my opinion

 

[LHUCKS]

i would rather grab top tier RB/WR in rounds 1 and 2 and then get my 2nd RB at 30

just my opinion

Do you have a specific RB in mind?If I'm baking on a 3rd round RB I usually have a specific one targeted that I believe to be value since they are largely hit or miss at that point.

 

[Buckna]

01.01 Shaun Alexander

01.02 LaDainian Tomlinson

01.03 Larry Johnson

01.04 Clinton Portis

01.05 Edgerrin James

01.06 Tiki Barber

01.07 Lamont Jordan

01.08 Brian Westbrook

01.09 Steven Jackson

01.10 Torry Holt

01.11 Ronnie Brown

01.12 Domanick Davis

02.01 Carnell Williams

02.02 Willis McGahee

02.03 Steve Smith

02.04 Rudi Johnson

02.05 Chad Johnson

02.06 Julius Jones

02.07 Antonio Gates

02.08 Peyton Manning

02.09 Larry Fitzgerald

02.10 Terrell Owens

02.11 Marvin Harrison

02.12 Anquan Boldin

So 13 of 14 first picks were RB...seems about right...although the Holt pick was horrible.

01.10 Torry Holt02.03 Steve Smith

The guy went stud WR, so you can explain away that one. I disagree it's a "horrible" pick though.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

i would rather grab top tier RB/WR in rounds 1 and 2 and then get my 2nd RB at 30

just my opinion

Do you have a specific RB in mind?If I'm baking on a 3rd round RB I usually have a specific one targeted that I believe to be value since they are largely hit or miss at that point.

This year. Dunn & or Droughns.All these guy got drafted before them:

03.02 Corey Dillon

03.03 Jamal Lewis

03.04 Reggie Bush

03.05 Chester Taylor

03.06 Kevin Jones

questions abound for the 5 guys listed.

 

[dudaman]

Here is the top 3 round from our buddy radballs WCOFF satelite. It shows something interesting.

I think this will happen in most leagues with PPR. 2 wr's probably go in the top 15 with a heavy WR run at the end of round 2.

Every RB drafted after Rudi J has major questions about a backup stealing time, (sans Dunn, who looks to be excellent value again).

01.01 Shaun Alexander

01.02 LaDainian Tomlinson

01.03 Larry Johnson

01.04 Clinton Portis

01.05 Edgerrin James

01.06 Tiki Barber

01.07 Lamont Jordan

01.08 Brian Westbrook

01.09 Steven Jackson

01.10 Torry Holt

01.11 Ronnie Brown

01.12 Domanick Davis

02.01 Carnell Williams

02.02 Willis McGahee

02.03 Steve Smith

02.04 Rudi Johnson

02.05 Chad Johnson

02.06 Julius Jones

02.07 Antonio Gates

02.08 Peyton Manning

02.09 Larry Fitzgerald

02.10 Terrell Owens

02.11 Marvin Harrison

02.12 Anquan Boldin

03.01 Randy Moss

03.02 Corey Dillon

03.03 Jamal Lewis

03.04 Reggie Bush

03.05 Chester Taylor

03.06 Kevin Jones

03.07 Reggie Wayne

03.08 Warrick Dunn

03.09 Tatum Bell

03.10 Santana Moss

03.11 Darrell Jackson

03.12 Jeremy Shockey

Is the difference betweek Gates and the rest of the TE pack this large now? (Or is Shockey the #2 TE?).Looking at the dropoff at WR after Moss @ 3.01, it almost forces you to take a WR in the second, then hope you strike it rich with sleepers in the 5th/6th

 

[Eagles09]

i would rather grab top tier RB/WR in rounds 1 and 2 and then get my 2nd RB at 30

just my opinion

Do you have a specific RB in mind?If I'm baking on a 3rd round RB I usually have a specific one targeted that I believe to be value since they are largely hit or miss at that point.

Well i'm at work, but thinking off the top of my head real quick maybe some RB avil at #30 Reuben Droughns....Thomas Jones...Benson....Chester Taylor... MAYBE Julis Jones

 

[P Boy]

Here is the top 3 round from our buddy radballs WCOFF satelite. It shows something interesting.

I think this will happen in most leagues with PPR. 2 wr's probably go in the top 15 with a heavy WR run at the end of round 2.

  Every RB drafted after Rudi J has major questions about a backup stealing time, (sans Dunn, who looks to be excellent value again).

01.01 Shaun Alexander

01.02 LaDainian Tomlinson

01.03 Larry Johnson

01.04 Clinton Portis

01.05 Edgerrin James

01.06 Tiki Barber

01.07 Lamont Jordan

01.08 Brian Westbrook

01.09 Steven Jackson

01.10 Torry Holt

01.11 Ronnie Brown

01.12 Domanick Davis

02.01 Carnell Williams

02.02 Willis McGahee

02.03 Steve Smith

02.04 Rudi Johnson

02.05 Chad Johnson

02.06 Julius Jones

02.07 Antonio Gates

02.08 Peyton Manning

02.09 Larry Fitzgerald

02.10 Terrell Owens

02.11 Marvin Harrison

02.12 Anquan Boldin

03.01 Randy Moss

03.02 Corey Dillon

03.03 Jamal Lewis

03.04 Reggie Bush

03.05 Chester Taylor

03.06 Kevin Jones

03.07 Reggie Wayne

03.08 Warrick Dunn

03.09 Tatum Bell

03.10 Santana Moss

03.11 Darrell Jackson

03.12 Jeremy Shockey

Is the difference betweek Gates and the rest of the TE pack this large now? (Or is Shockey the #2 TE?).Looking at the dropoff at WR after Moss @ 3.01, it almost forces you to take a WR in the second, then hope you strike it rich with sleepers in the 5th/6th

That's almost exactly what I'd do. If you bucking up the kind of scratch it takes to play in WCOFF, you'd better be able to color outside the lines a bit, or you're pretty much locked into being an also-ran.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

That's almost exactly what I'd do. If you bucking up the kind of scratch it takes to play in WCOFF, you'd better be able to color outside the lines a bit, or you're pretty much locked into being an also-ran.

Pony, take Gates or Shockey?? which one

 

[LHUCKS]

Reuben Droughns....Thomas Jones...Benson....Chester Taylor... MAYBE Julis Jones

I agree with two of those.

 

[pmcdade]

Here is the top 3 round from our buddy radballs WCOFF satelite. It shows something interesting.

I think this will happen in most leagues with PPR. 2 wr's probably go in the top 15 with a heavy WR run at the end of round 2.

  Every RB drafted after Rudi J has major questions about a backup stealing time, (sans Dunn, who looks to be excellent value again).

01.01 Shaun Alexander

01.02 LaDainian Tomlinson

01.03 Larry Johnson

01.04 Clinton Portis

01.05 Edgerrin James

01.06 Tiki Barber

01.07 Lamont Jordan

01.08 Brian Westbrook

01.09 Steven Jackson

01.10 Torry Holt

01.11 Ronnie Brown

01.12 Domanick Davis

02.01 Carnell Williams

02.02 Willis McGahee

02.03 Steve Smith

02.04 Rudi Johnson

02.05 Chad Johnson

02.06 Julius Jones

02.07 Antonio Gates

02.08 Peyton Manning

02.09 Larry Fitzgerald

02.10 Terrell Owens

02.11 Marvin Harrison

02.12 Anquan Boldin

03.01 Randy Moss

03.02 Corey Dillon

03.03 Jamal Lewis

03.04 Reggie Bush

03.05 Chester Taylor

03.06 Kevin Jones

03.07 Reggie Wayne

03.08 Warrick Dunn

03.09 Tatum Bell

03.10 Santana Moss

03.11 Darrell Jackson

03.12 Jeremy Shockey

Is the difference betweek Gates and the rest of the TE pack this large now? (Or is Shockey the #2 TE?).Looking at the dropoff at WR after Moss @ 3.01, it almost forces you to take a WR in the second, then hope you strike it rich with sleepers in the 5th/6th

I agree. Gates does not have value at that point. You have to tick him down a notch with Brees leaving. Even a slight downgrade makes the top of the TE class pretty flat. Gates, Gonzalez, Shokey are only a little above Witten, Crumpler, McMichael, Miller. VBD really indicates that Gates should go lower. There simply isn't as much drop off in talent at the top of the TE class to justify a second round pick when a fourth or fifth rounder could put up similar numbers.

For relvance to this thread, I'd say that group of WR's drafted right after Gates should all be above him.

 

[P Boy]

That's almost exactly what I'd do. If you bucking up the kind of scratch it takes to play in WCOFF, you'd better be able to color outside the lines a bit, or you're pretty much locked into being an also-ran.

Pony, take Gates or Shockey?? which one

Neither.If you put a gun to my head & forced me to go TE there, I'd go Shockey over Gates, though. I really like where the Giants' O is headed, and Rivers is a complete unknown (NFL QB-wise, that is) that is much lower in his learning curve than E Manning is.

I think Gates is the better TE between the 2, but I like the NY O & Manning throwing the ball a whole lot more as an influence.

 

[Team Legacy]

the first 15 picks should be RBs this year in most H2H formats.

If that's true, leagues need to change their formats.

What about WCOFF would you change?

I would say based upon your comment the scoring so that value is spread more equitably and draft strategy would be more diverse than automatically going RB, RB in the 1st two rounds - possibly even rewarding those who dare to think outside the box a bit.

WCOFF is a WR friendly setup. Starting 1-2-3-1 and a flex. WR teams have dominated WCOFF since year one. I just didn't want anyone out there thinking that RBs are a MUST in WCOFF, that's simply not true.

There have been several studies on this topic, unfortunately WCOFF's message boards went down earlier this year and all the posts went with it.

 

[Byron_nyc]

I'm drafting 10th in a 10 team WCOFF-scoring league, and considering two WRs at the corner, much like the drafter above who went Holt/Smith. Please, talk me off the ledge.

If Westy or Rudi is there, I take them. But it seems the RBs with current ADPs in the 11s and 12s are about as risky as RBs with current ADPs in the 30s, the Droughens and Dunns of the world.

My theory goes that at 10, I am may choosing between these two lineups

If I go RB-RB-WR-WR, I get something like:

Ronnie Brown

Carnell Williams

Hines Ward

Reggie Wayne

But if I go WR-WR-RB-RB, I am looking at:

TO

Torry Holt

Chester Taylor

Warrick Dunn

Seems to me, either draft package I am looking at risks at RB, but in WR-WR-RB-RB I will have the lock-down top WR corps. Your thoughts appreciated.

 

[packersfan]

Seems to me the answer to the question is pretty simple -- this is a horrible year for RBs. There are so few proven RBs with minimal risk attached (either durability, RBBC, both etc.) that this could be a year where it makes more sense to target a stud WR in the first two rounds. This may be the weakest year for RBs in a very long time. It's going to be a major struggle to get 2 RBs depending on your draft spot -- it'll be a miracle if you can get 3 in a flex league.

 

[hoofnstang]

In a recent dynasty draft, I drafted from the 7trh spot. I went RB WR WR RB and ended up with Caddy, CJ, Wayne, JJones. It's a 12 team league and the first 17 picks were all RB's.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

I think there is a little more RBBC now than in the past and people can get descent backs like Dunn/Foster in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

 

[packersfan]

I think there is a little more RBBC now than in the past and people can get descent backs like Dunn/Foster in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

Or you could see people reach to get RBs like that in the second round -- I've seen both of those guys go that early in drafts so far which is ridiculous IMO. The lack of talent at RB is going to do one of two things IMO:1. Open up the possibility of other positions being taken in the first two rounds.

2. Lead to owners seriously reaching for lesser-talent RBs in the second round (and maybe the third) just to make sure they get two.

 

[Sinrman]

If I go RB-RB-WR-WR, I get something like:

Ronnie Brown

Carnell Williams

Hines Ward

Reggie Wayne

But if I go WR-WR-RB-RB, I am looking at:

TO

Torry Holt

Chester Taylor

Warrick Dunn

I like the first one a heckuva lot better, personally. I'm one who favors top WRs a lot, but when you're faced with a decision like you have posted there (RB-RB-WR-WR or WR-WR-RB-RB?), the dropoff at RB by the 3rd+ rounds is huge...