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Mort: Parker Could Be The Man All Year (1 Viewer)

packersfan

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker? Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense? Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.

 
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Joe Bryant

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Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.
:yes: J

 

Hugh Duffy

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.
:yes: J
Gotta give you credit on this one, JB. You called this one a long time ago. :thumbup:
 

John 14:6

Jesus is Lord!
:pickle:I kind of picked up Parker by accident this offseason. We finished our draft and about a week later someone dropped Antwaan Randle El. I wanted to pick him up and went to do it once he cleared waivers. I chose to view players by team and Parker was right next to Randle El. I had the space and heard a lot about him here, so I decided to take them both. :thumbup:

 

Koya

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.
:yes: J
Parker might be a big part of alleviating the risk of taking Priest and not taking LJ in the 4th freakin round. Either through production if needed, or a trade should he keep it up.
 

jurb26

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.

Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:

Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense?

Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.
:lmao: @ this part, when Staley comes back healthy, he will be the one with fresh legs.
 

malice

Footballguy
I don't believe he'll be 'the man' all year...Cowher's going to give a healthy Bettis his carries even if it's just at the goal line. He's a fan favorite and the image of the team so even if this is his last year, Cowher's going to let him go out with at least some time in the spotlight...As for Staley, I can see him sitting until he's 100% without-a-doubt healthy since they still need to get some of their investment back on him- but Parker looks like he's got a guaranteed shot at RBBC this year and being 'the man' next year for sure.

 

Franknbeans

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.

Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:

Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense?

Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.
:lmao: @ this part, when Staley comes back healthy, he will be the one with fresh legs.
:lmao: you do realize Willie barely saw the field in college. His legs will still be fresher than Staley's even if he carries it 30 times a game.
 

AnonymousBob

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.

Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:

Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense?

Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.
:lmao: @ this part, when Staley comes back healthy, he will be the one with fresh legs.
:lmao: you do realize Willie barely saw the field in college. His legs will still be fresher than Staley's even if he carries it 30 times a game.
The flip side of that would be it remains to be seen if FWP can hold up to the pounding over the course of an entire season. He's never done it. ;)

 

Smiledog11

Footballguy
I've watched every Steeler game for almost 15 years. IMHO, the most impressive aspect of Parker's performance in the eyes of the Steelers coaching staff was most likely his effectiveness running between the tackles. Home runs are flashy, but the Steelers are more interested in controlling the ball and the clock. After his first few carries in which he attempted to dance and cut, Parker was quick to learn to pick a hole and go. If he continues to run north and south, I don't see any reason why the Steelers wouldn't continue to use him as the workhorse. BUT, they simply won't accept forgoing a 3 yard gain by trying to dance outside for the big gainer (ask Amos Zeroue). Keep moving forward Willie and the job is yours!

 

Franknbeans

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.

Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:

Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense?

Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.
:lmao: @ this part, when Staley comes back healthy, he will be the one with fresh legs.
:lmao: you do realize Willie barely saw the field in college. His legs will still be fresher than Staley's even if he carries it 30 times a game.
The flip side of that would be it remains to be seen if FWP can hold up to the pounding over the course of an entire season. He's never done it. ;)
How is that the flip side? We are comparing the leg freshness of one (only a handful of carries in college) Willie Parker vs. (old goat and yet to be healthy for more than 2 months at a time) Duce Staley. I'll go with the youth on this one Wink.

 

jurb26

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.

Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:

Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense?

Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.
:lmao: @ this part, when Staley comes back healthy, he will be the one with fresh legs.
:lmao: you do realize Willie barely saw the field in college. His legs will still be fresher than Staley's even if he carries it 30 times a game.
So, your saying that taking the likely beating week in and week out for Parker will be tougher than it would for most NFL backs in transition. There is a reason rookies hit the so called "wall." Its a transfer of the competition level from college to pro as well as a transition of a much longer season and longer sustained beating to the body. What you are telling me is that Parker is more realisticlly looking at a HS to pro transition rather than college to pro one... thanks that is comforting as a Steeler fan.
 

AhrnCityPahnder

Yinz-o-riffic
jurb, I understand the point you're making here, and there is some validity in it. FWP is unproven as to his season endurance and ability to take a pounding. But, Staley is ALWAYS injured. Over the past 5 years (taking away the 2003 season, where he was not the featured back in PHI) He has missed an average of 5 games per year, and he's 0 for 1 this year. So, the question arises -- which is a bigger risk: Duce's old, injruy prone body, or FWP's young, untested one? I see that both have risks but if I have to lay money down I'll go with FWP.

 

jurb26

Footballguy
jurb, I understand the point you're making here, and there is some validity in it. FWP is unproven as to his season endurance and ability to take a pounding.

But, Staley is ALWAYS injured. Over the past 5 years (taking away the 2003 season, where he was not the featured back in PHI) He has missed an average of 5 games per year, and he's 0 for 1 this year.

So, the question arises -- which is a bigger risk: Duce's old, injruy prone body, or FWP's young, untested one? I see that both have risks but if I have to lay money down I'll go with FWP.
Oh, don't get me wrong I fully expect that Staley will come back, look great again and proceed to get himself injured again. That was not the point. The point is that I can't see how Staley after having played NO games and taking ZERO beating thus far this year will not have "fresh legs" in comparison to a guy who already has done so on several occasions. I think this will turn into a RBBC while Staley is healthy (60/40), but will only last for so long....
 

redman

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.

Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:

Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense?

Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.
:lmao: @ this part, when Staley comes back healthy, he will be the one with fresh legs.
:lmao: you do realize Willie barely saw the field in college. His legs will still be fresher than Staley's even if he carries it 30 times a game.
Then my legs are the freshest of all. FWP looks like the real deal and I love his dynasty value. I just have trouble envisioning him getting more than 50-60% of the carries on a roster with a healthy Duce and Bettis, and it could well be less. To make matters worse, the Bus has already been used as a goalline back in the past. I think this is RBBC with Bettis and/or Duce coming out ahead when it's all said and done because one or both of them will end up with the short-yardage TD's. FWP is worth more this year in PPR leagues.

Next year, the team is his and he'll truly break out, IMHO.

 

Wheelhouse

Footballguy
Staley is arguably the one guy that could possibly take value away from Parker this year, but I've got to ask - how healthy is Staley?The surgery performed on Duce Staley's right knee was for a tear in his right lateral meniscus and now he has a hamstring issue. Staley will likely come back, but how effective will he be and how involved will he be in the running game? He may be used more as a utility receiving back than a RB - who knows? :shrug:Right now, it's Parker's job to lose. I think we all can agree on that.

 

AhrnCityPahnder

Yinz-o-riffic
FWP looks like the real deal and I love his dynasty value. I just have trouble envisioning him getting more than 50-60% of the carries on a roster with a healthy Duce and Bettis, and it could well be less.
50% of the carries in Pitt is ~306 carries for the year. Only 8 backs in the NFL ran the ball more than that last year.
 

Koya

Footballguy
Staley is arguably the one guy that could possibly take value away from Parker this year, but I've got to ask - how healthy is Staley?

The surgery performed on Duce Staley's right knee was for a tear in his right lateral meniscus and now he has a hamstring issue. Staley will likely come back, but how effective will he be and how involved will he be in the running game? He may be used more as a utility receiving back than a RB - who knows? :shrug:

Right now, it's Parker's job to lose. I think we all can agree on that.
Not only is the question about Staley's health - Parker, in the VERY limited action we have seen, brings a LOT more to the table. If Parker is 80% of what we saw last week, that is better than Staley has ever been. I would then see Parker taking over the Staley roll with Bettis getting his touches and Staley used sparingly at best.
 

beefcake

Autobot
OT/ Madden momentNEP at PITDuce Staley runs right for 80 yards, TDDuce Staley runs right for 32 yards, TDDuce Staley runs right for 40 yards, TDDuce loves daylight.Final score: PIT 28 NEP 3

 
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CrossEyed

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I'm dying to see the Pittsburgh offense against a good rush defense.
You saw it last year in week 16 at Buffalo. FWP had 102 yards on 19 carries (5.4 avg.). And that was in a game that meant everything to Buffalo and nothing to the Steelers.
 

huckyoda

Footballguy
You guys are missing the point of the thread, 4 days till we see the fatman Ron Dayne in action.
Ive seen it already and I can tell you how it will go:First drive:

1-10, Incompletion, Plummer to Lelei

2-10, Bell rushes 9 yards to the right

3-1, Dayne rushes for a loss of 1 yard

4-2, punt

Second drive:

1-10, Dayne rushes for a loss of 2 yards

2-12, Plummer passes to Putzier for a gain of 11.

3-1, Dayne rushes for no gain.

4-1, punt.

monday morning: Dayne cut.

 

huckyoda

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.

Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:

Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense?

Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.
:lmao: @ this part, when Staley comes back healthy, he will be the one with fresh legs.
:lmao: you do realize Willie barely saw the field in college. His legs will still be fresher than Staley's even if he carries it 30 times a game.
So, your saying that taking the likely beating week in and week out for Parker will be tougher than it would for most NFL backs in transition. There is a reason rookies hit the so called "wall." Its a transfer of the competition level from college to pro as well as a transition of a much longer season and longer sustained beating to the body. What you are telling me is that Parker is more realisticlly looking at a HS to pro transition rather than college to pro one... thanks that is comforting as a Steeler fan.
What is this rookie "wall" that you invented? I havent seen it. Care to share some #s to justify?
 

Irish

Footballguy
I'm dying to see the Pittsburgh offense against a good rush defense.
Did you just wake up from a coma and miss last season? The Steelers have not changed their offensive game plan and they looked pretty good running the ball last yr.
 

jurb26

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.

Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:

Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense?

Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.
:lmao: @ this part, when Staley comes back healthy, he will be the one with fresh legs.
:lmao: you do realize Willie barely saw the field in college. His legs will still be fresher than Staley's even if he carries it 30 times a game.
So, your saying that taking the likely beating week in and week out for Parker will be tougher than it would for most NFL backs in transition. There is a reason rookies hit the so called "wall." Its a transfer of the competition level from college to pro as well as a transition of a much longer season and longer sustained beating to the body. What you are telling me is that Parker is more realisticlly looking at a HS to pro transition rather than college to pro one... thanks that is comforting as a Steeler fan.
What is this rookie "wall" that you invented? I havent seen it. Care to share some #s to justify?
Please tell me your joking... here is one that should be very simply and easy to recall since we are discussing Steeler players: Big Ben
 
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Franknbeans

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.

Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:

Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense?

Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.
:lmao: @ this part, when Staley comes back healthy, he will be the one with fresh legs.
:lmao: you do realize Willie barely saw the field in college. His legs will still be fresher than Staley's even if he carries it 30 times a game.
So, your saying that taking the likely beating week in and week out for Parker will be tougher than it would for most NFL backs in transition. There is a reason rookies hit the so called "wall." Its a transfer of the competition level from college to pro as well as a transition of a much longer season and longer sustained beating to the body. What you are telling me is that Parker is more realisticlly looking at a HS to pro transition rather than college to pro one... thanks that is comforting as a Steeler fan.
What is this rookie "wall" that you invented? I havent seen it. Care to share some #s to justify?
Please tell me your joking... here is one that should be very simply and easy to recall since we are discussing Steeler players: Big Ben
right, he lost 1 game as a rookie against the defending World Champs. You need a better example. Seriously find someone else to pick on, fast Willie will make you look foolish. :bye:
 

jurb26

Footballguy
right, he lost 1 game as a rookie against the defending World Champs. You need a better example. Seriously find someone else to pick on, fast Willie will make you look foolish. :bye:
Try sticking to the topic, did his play regress/hit a wall towards the end of the year, yes or no? Or have you never heard of this phrase either? :yawn:
 
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huckyoda

Footballguy
Just Mort speculating but this is from his chat going on right now:

Jeff (New York, NY): Do you think the Steelers would bench Staley in favor of Parker?

Chris Mortensen: (11:08 AM ET ) Yeah, I think Parker will end up being the guy this year. I really do. Fresh legs, more speed, a little stronger than maybe I thought.

Here's a brief blurb about Dayne. Nothing much and doesn't tell us anything we don't already know, but I thought I'd add it for those interested in the Denver RB situation:

Eric in Las Vegas: Hey Chris, I want to see some Ron Dayne! What week do you expect Shanahan to make him a part of the offense?

Chris Mortensen: (11:24 AM ET ) Could happen this week.
:lmao: @ this part, when Staley comes back healthy, he will be the one with fresh legs.
:lmao: you do realize Willie barely saw the field in college. His legs will still be fresher than Staley's even if he carries it 30 times a game.
So, your saying that taking the likely beating week in and week out for Parker will be tougher than it would for most NFL backs in transition. There is a reason rookies hit the so called "wall." Its a transfer of the competition level from college to pro as well as a transition of a much longer season and longer sustained beating to the body. What you are telling me is that Parker is more realisticlly looking at a HS to pro transition rather than college to pro one... thanks that is comforting as a Steeler fan.
What is this rookie "wall" that you invented? I havent seen it. Care to share some #s to justify?
Please tell me your joking... here is one that should be very simply and easy to recall since we are discussing Steeler players: Big Ben
No I am not joking. Your obnoxious tone makes you look even more silly than your arguments. Obviously QBs historically have poor rookie seasons (yet you picked the one QB who had a great season last year). RBs are a completely different thing and you shouldnt have to look too hard to find recent rookie RBs who did just fine, without your "rookie wall".
 
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jurb26

Footballguy
No I am not joking. Your obnoxious tone makes you look even more silly than your arguments. Obviously QBs historically have poor rookie seasons (yet you picked the one QB who had a great season last year). RBs are a completely different thing and you shouldnt have to look too hard to find recent rookie RBs who did just fine, without your "rookie wall".
So I'll ask the question again since you seem intent on ignoring it. Was there a reduciton in Ben's numbers that may indicate a rookie "wall?"
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WK  OPP  |  CMP  ATT   PYD  TD  INT |  RSH    YD  TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+|  2  bal  |   12   20   176   2   2  |    0     0   0 ||  3  mia  |   12   22   163   1   1  |    1     2   0 ||  4  cin  |   17   25   174   1   0  |    4     2   0 ||  5  cle  |   16   21   231   1   1  |    6    13   1 ||  6  dal  |   21   25   193   2   0  |    2     8   0 ||  8  nwe  |   18   24   196   2   0  |    5     3   0 ||  9  phi  |   11   18   183   2   1  |    6    10   0 || 10  cle  |   10   16   134   0   1  |    7    38   0 || 11  cin  |   15   21   138   1   0  |    9    16   0 || 12  was  |    9   20   131   0   0  |    6     4   0 || 13  jax  |   14   17   221   2   0  |    3    40   0 || 14  nyj  |    9   19   144   0   2  |    4    -2   0 || 15  nyg  |   18   28   316   1   2  |    1    -1   0 || 16  bal  |   14   19   221   2   1  |    2    11   0 |
This does not factor in the playoff games which don't help him at all on the matter. Oh and When did I claim Ben did not have a fantastic year? :rolleyes: I only stated that he seemed to hit a wall towards the end of it. I'm sorry if this is a concept you have never heard of, but is had been discussed to death both at the end of last year and this past off-season in regards to Ben. So for you to try and claim no such thing exists or has ever been heard of and was by fictional design of my imagination is what seems to me to be obnoxious.
 

huckyoda

Footballguy
No I am not joking. Your obnoxious tone makes you look even more silly than your arguments.  Obviously QBs historically have poor rookie seasons (yet you picked the one QB who had a great season last year).  RBs are a completely different thing and you shouldnt have to look too hard to find recent rookie RBs who did just fine, without your "rookie wall".
So I'll ask the question again since you seem intent on ignoring it. Was there a reduciton in Ben's numbers that may indicate a rookie "wall?"
WK  OPP  |  CMP  ATT   PYD  TD  INT |  RSH    YD  TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+|  2  bal  |   12   20   176   2   2  |    0     0   0 ||  3  mia  |   12   22   163   1   1  |    1     2   0 ||  4  cin  |   17   25   174   1   0  |    4     2   0 ||  5  cle  |   16   21   231   1   1  |    6    13   1 ||  6  dal  |   21   25   193   2   0  |    2     8   0 ||  8  nwe  |   18   24   196   2   0  |    5     3   0 ||  9  phi  |   11   18   183   2   1  |    6    10   0 || 10  cle  |   10   16   134   0   1  |    7    38   0 || 11  cin  |   15   21   138   1   0  |    9    16   0 || 12  was  |    9   20   131   0   0  |    6     4   0 || 13  jax  |   14   17   221   2   0  |    3    40   0 || 14  nyj  |    9   19   144   0   2  |    4    -2   0 || 15  nyg  |   18   28   316   1   2  |    1    -1   0 || 16  bal  |   14   19   221   2   1  |    2    11   0 |This does not factor in the playoff games which don't help him at all on the matter. Oh and When did I claim Ben did not have a fantastic year? :rolleyes: I only stated that he seemed to hit a wall towards the end of it. I'm sorry if this is a concept you have never heard of, but is had been discussed to death both at the end of last year and this past off-season in regards to Ben. So for you to try and claim no such thing exists or has ever been heard of and was by fictional design of my imagination is what seems to me to be obnoxious.
You are talking to yourself. Read again what I wrote. Slowly. Dont forget to breathe.There, nice and relaxed now?

OK, we are all friends here.

Ben Rothlisberger plays a position called quarterback. Quarterbacks often need a year to adjust to the NFL. You said so, I said so.

Fast Willie plays a position called running back. Running backs often excel even in their rookie seasons. (Fast Willie is not even a rookie but lets not get sidetracked again).

:D

 
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Urinal Mint

Footballguy
This isn't the 2004 season. I'm not convinced.

I'm dying to see the Pittsburgh offense against a good rush defense.
You saw it last year in week 16 at Buffalo. FWP had 102 yards on 19 carries (5.4 avg.). And that was in a game that meant everything to Buffalo and nothing to the Steelers.
 

AhrnCityPahnder

Yinz-o-riffic
I'm not sure a rookie QB "hitting the wall" is apples to apples if you are talking about an inexperienced RB not having the conditioning for a full season. Is there data for RBs that support your assertion?

 

Isotopes

Footballguy
right, he lost 1 game as a rookie against the defending World Champs. You need a better example. Seriously find someone else to pick on, fast Willie will make you look foolish. :bye:
Try sticking to the topic, did his play regress/hit a wall towards the end of the year, yes or no? Or have you never heard of this phrase either? :yawn:
He is absolutely right. Ben himself admitted that the hit a wall towards the end of the year. This is not a new phenomenon....it is hard for rookies not to slow down toward the end of the season.
 

Franknbeans

Footballguy
right, he lost 1 game as a rookie against the defending World Champs.  You need a better example.  Seriously find someone else to pick on, fast Willie will make you look foolish.  :bye:
Try sticking to the topic, did his play regress/hit a wall towards the end of the year, yes or no? Or have you never heard of this phrase either? :yawn:
He is absolutely right. Ben himself admitted that the hit a wall towards the end of the year. This is not a new phenomenon....it is hard for rookies not to slow down toward the end of the season.
A few points worth mentioning again... Ben=QB, Willie=RB and most importantly, Willie's NOT a rookie. Discuss.
 

huckyoda

Footballguy
There is an article on fbg that was posted recently that has a historical study of rookie RBs that shows that they have done signifcantly better in the 2nd half than the 1st half. Does anyone have this link?

 

jurb26

Footballguy
No I am not joking. Your obnoxious tone makes you look even more silly than your arguments. Obviously QBs historically have poor rookie seasons (yet you picked the one QB who had a great season last year). RBs are a completely different thing and you shouldnt have to look too hard to find recent rookie RBs who did just fine, without your "rookie wall".
So I'll ask the question again since you seem intent on ignoring it. Was there a reduciton in Ben's numbers that may indicate a rookie "wall?"
WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| 2 bal | 12 20 176 2 2 | 0 0 0 || 3 mia | 12 22 163 1 1 | 1 2 0 || 4 cin | 17 25 174 1 0 | 4 2 0 || 5 cle | 16 21 231 1 1 | 6 13 1 || 6 dal | 21 25 193 2 0 | 2 8 0 || 8 nwe | 18 24 196 2 0 | 5 3 0 || 9 phi | 11 18 183 2 1 | 6 10 0 || 10 cle | 10 16 134 0 1 | 7 38 0 || 11 cin | 15 21 138 1 0 | 9 16 0 || 12 was | 9 20 131 0 0 | 6 4 0 || 13 jax | 14 17 221 2 0 | 3 40 0 || 14 nyj | 9 19 144 0 2 | 4 -2 0 || 15 nyg | 18 28 316 1 2 | 1 -1 0 || 16 bal | 14 19 221 2 1 | 2 11 0 |This does not factor in the playoff games which don't help him at all on the matter. Oh and When did I claim Ben did not have a fantastic year? :rolleyes: I only stated that he seemed to hit a wall towards the end of it. I'm sorry if this is a concept you have never heard of, but is had been discussed to death both at the end of last year and this past off-season in regards to Ben. So for you to try and claim no such thing exists or has ever been heard of and was by fictional design of my imagination is what seems to me to be obnoxious.
You are talking to yourself. Read again what I wrote. Slowly. Dont forget to breathe.There, nice and relaxed now?

OK, we are all friends here.

Ben Rothlisberger plays a position called quarterback. Quarterbacks often need a year to adjust to the NFL. You said so, I said so.

Fast Willie plays a position called running back. Running backs often excel even in their rookie seasons. (Fast Willie is not even a rookie but lets not get sidetracked again).

:D
So which one is it, there is no such thing as a rookie "wall" or it only applies to QBs?
 

huckyoda

Footballguy
No I am not joking. Your obnoxious tone makes you look even more silly than your arguments.  Obviously QBs historically have poor rookie seasons (yet you picked the one QB who had a great season last year).  RBs are a completely different thing and you shouldnt have to look too hard to find recent rookie RBs who did just fine, without your "rookie wall".
So I'll ask the question again since you seem intent on ignoring it. Was there a reduciton in Ben's numbers that may indicate a rookie "wall?"
WK  OPP  |  CMP  ATT   PYD  TD  INT |  RSH    YD  TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+|  2  bal  |   12   20   176   2   2  |    0     0   0 ||  3  mia  |   12   22   163   1   1  |    1     2   0 ||  4  cin  |   17   25   174   1   0  |    4     2   0 ||  5  cle  |   16   21   231   1   1  |    6    13   1 ||  6  dal  |   21   25   193   2   0  |    2     8   0 ||  8  nwe  |   18   24   196   2   0  |    5     3   0 ||  9  phi  |   11   18   183   2   1  |    6    10   0 || 10  cle  |   10   16   134   0   1  |    7    38   0 || 11  cin  |   15   21   138   1   0  |    9    16   0 || 12  was  |    9   20   131   0   0  |    6     4   0 || 13  jax  |   14   17   221   2   0  |    3    40   0 || 14  nyj  |    9   19   144   0   2  |    4    -2   0 || 15  nyg  |   18   28   316   1   2  |    1    -1   0 || 16  bal  |   14   19   221   2   1  |    2    11   0 |This does not factor in the playoff games which don't help him at all on the matter. Oh and When did I claim Ben did not have a fantastic year? :rolleyes: I only stated that he seemed to hit a wall towards the end of it. I'm sorry if this is a concept you have never heard of, but is had been discussed to death both at the end of last year and this past off-season in regards to Ben. So for you to try and claim no such thing exists or has ever been heard of and was by fictional design of my imagination is what seems to me to be obnoxious.
You are talking to yourself. Read again what I wrote. Slowly. Dont forget to breathe.There, nice and relaxed now?

OK, we are all friends here.

Ben Rothlisberger plays a position called quarterback. Quarterbacks often need a year to adjust to the NFL. You said so, I said so.

Fast Willie plays a position called running back. Running backs often excel even in their rookie seasons. (Fast Willie is not even a rookie but lets not get sidetracked again).

:D
So which one is it, there is no such thing as a rookie "wall" or it only applies to QBs?
It only applies to QBs. Wow you are slow.
 

AnonymousBob

Footballguy
Gawd some of you are dense.FWP is not a rookie. Nor is he a qb. He has also never played an entire season of football-speculate all you want but we don't know how he'll hold up-however, when you compare him to the oft-injured Duce one has to like his chances to finish the season as starter.

 

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