Mortenson on T.Henry (1 Viewer)

[fridayfrenzy]

I think that both teams have probably offered third rounders and the Bills are trying to make the Jags include the conditional 2nd rounder.

Unless the Jags' offer is appreciably better, wouldn't you rather send Henry to the Titans?

-Since they're in the AFC East, home of the Patriots, wouldn't Buffalo's best playoff chance really be a wildcard?

-The Jags were 9-7 last year and in their 2 games without Taylor they were 0-2 and the offense was dismal. By sending him to the Jags they'd be helping out a WC contender.

- The Titans were 5-11 last year and lost several key veterans and had numerous off-field incidents with other players. Don't you think that there's a good chance that Tennessee's draft slot next year will be earlier than Jacksonville's (even if you ship Henry to the Titans)?

But this is where Henry gets to have some say doesn't he?If he wanted to go to Jacksonville more, then he could have enormous contract deands from the Titans and never be able to reach a deal. Is that not possible?

Doesn't Henry have some power here in where he will end up.

I think the fact that Henry has reached a contract agreement with the Jags makes a trade there MUCH more likely. I can't see the Titans trading for Henry without a contract agreement.

Another spin is that Reese is trying to get the Jags to offer more as well.It is reported that he isn't even going to be in town this weekedn cause he is at his son's wedding, so it may be a little tough to negotiate.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

I wouldn't be so quick to say Henry has power in this deal. He primarily has said he wants out of Buffalo. If the Bills get a better deal with the Titans they will tell Henry either come back and ride the bench, work out an extension with the Titans, or sit out the year.

 

[Chessmaster]

I think that both teams have probably offered third rounders and the Bills are trying to make the Jags include the conditional 2nd rounder.

Unless the Jags' offer is appreciably better, wouldn't you rather send Henry to the Titans?

-Since they're in the AFC East, home of the Patriots, wouldn't Buffalo's best playoff chance really be a wildcard?

-The Jags were 9-7 last year and in their 2 games without Taylor they were 0-2 and the offense was dismal.  By sending him to the Jags they'd be helping out a WC contender.

- The Titans were 5-11 last year and lost several key veterans and had numerous off-field incidents with other players.  Don't you think that there's a good chance that Tennessee's draft slot next year will be earlier than Jacksonville's (even if you ship Henry to the Titans)?

But this is where Henry gets to have some say doesn't he?If he wanted to go to Jacksonville more, then he could have enormous contract deands from the Titans and never be able to reach a deal. Is that not possible?

Doesn't Henry have some power here in where he will end up.

I think the fact that Henry has reached a contract agreement with the Jags makes a trade there MUCH more likely. I can't see the Titans trading for Henry without a contract agreement.

Another spin is that Reese is trying to get the Jags to offer more as well.It is reported that he isn't even going to be in town this weekedn cause he is at his son's wedding, so it may be a little tough to negotiate.

LOL. Now that is something!!!I think it is safe to assume that once you've seen a guy like Henry, reached a contract agreement with him, that you are more willing to give stuff up than you were before.

If I had to use percentages, it is 90% Jags, 10% somewhere else. I am that certain.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I think that both teams have probably offered third rounders and the Bills are trying to make the Jags include the conditional 2nd rounder.

Unless the Jags' offer is appreciably better, wouldn't you rather send Henry to the Titans?

-Since they're in the AFC East, home of the Patriots, wouldn't Buffalo's best playoff chance really be a wildcard?

-The Jags were 9-7 last year and in their 2 games without Taylor they were 0-2 and the offense was dismal. By sending him to the Jags they'd be helping out a WC contender.

- The Titans were 5-11 last year and lost several key veterans and had numerous off-field incidents with other players. Don't you think that there's a good chance that Tennessee's draft slot next year will be earlier than Jacksonville's (even if you ship Henry to the Titans)?

But this is where Henry gets to have some say doesn't he?If he wanted to go to Jacksonville more, then he could have enormous contract deands from the Titans and never be able to reach a deal. Is that not possible?

Doesn't Henry have some power here in where he will end up.

I think the fact that Henry has reached a contract agreement with the Jags makes a trade there MUCH more likely. I can't see the Titans trading for Henry without a contract agreement.

Has he reached a contract agreement? Where did you see that?If the Titans are offering more, would the Bills not just hold off on making any trade and let the Titans and Henry negotiate?

EDIT. NM...

ESPN.com has confirmed that the Jaguars earlier this week reached agreement in principle with Henry on a multi-year contract extension.

Yea, and that is exactly where Henry has the power. He can refuse to negotiate with the Titans, which will make the Titans unwilling to give up a third to get him, which will force a trade to the Jags.From what I've read, it is clear that Henry wants to go to the Jags and not the titans. So, either the Titans trade for him without a contract extention (in essence renting him for the year) or he goes to the Jags. Its really that simple.

Exactly. In the one article, its stated how excited Henry was to go play in Florida.You also get to be on a better team who will combat your team for a playoff spot. As well, you hve a better chance of playing more on a team where the RB is in rough shape right now and peope were speculating he may not be able to start the season.

The titans have clearly said that Brown is the go to guy.

 

[Chessmaster]

I think that both teams have probably offered third rounders and the Bills are trying to make the Jags include the conditional 2nd rounder.

Unless the Jags' offer is appreciably better, wouldn't you rather send Henry to the Titans?

-Since they're in the AFC East, home of the Patriots, wouldn't Buffalo's best playoff chance really be a wildcard?

-The Jags were 9-7 last year and in their 2 games without Taylor they were 0-2 and the offense was dismal.  By sending him to the Jags they'd be helping out a WC contender.

- The Titans were 5-11 last year and lost several key veterans and had numerous off-field incidents with other players.  Don't you think that there's a good chance that Tennessee's draft slot next year will be earlier than Jacksonville's (even if you ship Henry to the Titans)?

But this is where Henry gets to have some say doesn't he?If he wanted to go to Jacksonville more, then he could have enormous contract deands from the Titans and never be able to reach a deal. Is that not possible?

Doesn't Henry have some power here in where he will end up.

I think the fact that Henry has reached a contract agreement with the Jags makes a trade there MUCH more likely. I can't see the Titans trading for Henry without a contract agreement.

Has he reached a contract agreement? Where did you see that?If the Titans are offering more, would the Bills not just hold off on making any trade and let the Titans and Henry negotiate?

EDIT. NM...

ESPN.com has confirmed that the Jaguars earlier this week reached agreement in principle with Henry on a multi-year contract extension.

Yea, and that is exactly where Henry has the power. He can refuse to negotiate with the Titans, which will make the Titans unwilling to give up a third to get him, which will force a trade to the Jags.From what I've read, it is clear that Henry wants to go to the Jags and not the titans. So, either the Titans trade for him without a contract extention (in essence renting him for the year) or he goes to the Jags. Its really that simple.

Exactly. In the one article, its stated how excited Henry was to go play in Florida.You also get to be on a better team who will combat your team for a playoff spot. As well, you hve a better chance of playing more on a team where the RB is in rough shape right now and peope were speculating he may not be able to start the season.

The titans have clearly said that Brown is the go to guy.

And personally, I don't see any way the Titans trade for Henry without an extension in place.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I wouldn't be so quick to say Henry has power in this deal. He primarily has said he wants out of Buffalo. If the Bills get a better deal with the Titans they will tell Henry either come back and ride the bench, go to the Titans, or sit out the year.

Why would the Bils do that if they have an offer from the Jags though? You honestly think the Bills would turn down the Jags and their offer cause Henry wouldnt deal with the Titans and therefore getting nothing out of the deal? I don't think so.

The Bills aren't going to make him ride the pine if they have a trade just sitting there to happen

 

[Renegades of Funk]

LOL. Now that is something!!!I think it is safe to assume that once you've seen a guy like Henry, reached a contract agreement with him, that you are more willing to give stuff up than you were before.If I had to use percentages, it is 90% Jags, 10% somewhere else. I am that certain.

Maybe ESPN should hire you and fire Mort. LOL.

 

[Chessmaster]

I wouldn't be so quick to say Henry has power in this deal.  He primarily has said he wants out of Buffalo.  If the Bills get a better deal with the Titans they will tell Henry either come back and ride the bench, go to the Titans, or sit out the year.

Why would the Bils do that if they have an offer from the Jags though? You honestly think the Bills would turn down the Jags and their offer cause Henry wouldnt deal with the Titans and therefore getting nothing out of the deal? I don't think so.

The Bills aren't going to make him ride the pine if they have a trade just sitting there to happen

No, that isn't the reason. The reason Henry has the power is because the Titans would need to reach a contract extension with him to make trading a 3rd to get him worthwhile. Henry can refuse to negotiate with the Titans to go to the team he wants. And if Henry refuses to negotiate with the Titans, then I can't see them trading a 3rd to get him.He goes to the Jags.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I wouldn't be so quick to say Henry has power in this deal. He primarily has said he wants out of Buffalo. If the Bills get a better deal with the Titans they will tell Henry either come back and ride the bench, go to the Titans, or sit out the year.

Why would the Bils do that if they have an offer from the Jags though? You honestly think the Bills would turn down the Jags and their offer cause Henry wouldnt deal with the Titans and therefore getting nothing out of the deal? I don't think so.

The Bills aren't going to make him ride the pine if they have a trade just sitting there to happen

No, that isn't the reason. The reason Henry has the power is because the Titans would need to reach a contract extension with him to make trading a 3rd to get him worthwhile. Henry can refuse to negotiate with the Titans to go to the team he wants. And if Henry refuses to negotiate with the Titans, then I can't see them trading a 3rd to get him.He goes to the Jags.

Right, but he's ssying that the Bills would tell Henry that if he doesn't deal with the Titans that he won't be traded at all. I am saying that wouldn't be the case at all.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

If Henry is given the choice of working out a contract extension with the Titans, setting on the bench behind Willis, or setting at home. What do you think he will choose? The Bills know the answer to this question too, they can play hard ball with him very easily.

 

[Chessmaster]

If Henry is given the choice of working out a contract extension with the Titans, setting on the bench behind Willis, or setting at home. What do you think he will choose? The Bills know the answer to this question too, they can play hard ball with him very easily.

So you really think the Bills would take a lesser offer from the Titans just because the Jaguars MIGHT be their competition for a playoff spot??

 

[fridayfrenzy]

If Henry is given the choice of working out a contract extension with the Titans, setting on the bench behind Willis, or setting at home. What do you think he will choose? The Bills know the answer to this question too, they can play hard ball with him very easily.

So you think Donahoe would just turn away the Jags' offer? I highly doubt that.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

The Titans have reportedly offered a solid 3rd. That is the best offer that I have heard. The Jags 3rd will not be as good as the Titans 3rd. The Jags will NOT give a 2nd for Henry.The Bills know Henry needs the money and will not set out the year. The Bills know Henry will negotiate with the Titans if that is the only choice they give him. The Bills hold all the cards.

 

[Chessmaster]

The Titans have reportedly offered a solid 3rd. That is the best offer that I have heard. The Jags 3rd will not be as good as the Titans 3rd. The Jags will NOT give a 2nd for Henry.

The Bills know Henry needs the money and will not set out the year. The Bills know Henry will negotiate with the Titans if that is the only choice they give him. The Bills hold all the cards.

Henry knows that if he doesn't negotiate with the Titans, he will be traded to the Jags.Or do you think Buffalo is fine with him staying on the team as a malcontent all year???? LOL.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

Henry knows that if he doesn't negotiate with the Titans, he will be traded to the Jags.Or do you think Buffalo is fine with him staying on the team as a malcontent all year???? LOL.

No way Henry comes back with his tail between his legs and backs up McGahee if he has the chance to get out. The Bills will give him that chance and it will be with who they choose to trade him to.

 

[Chessmaster]

Henry knows that if he doesn't negotiate with the Titans, he will be traded to the Jags.

Or do you think Buffalo is fine with him staying on the team as a malcontent all year???? LOL.

No way Henry comes back with his tail between his legs and backs up McGahee if he has the chance to get out. The Bills will give him that chance and it will be with who they choose to trade him to.

The Bills don;t want to risk him coming back. If he decides he wants to go to Jacksonville, they will trade him there. And it sounds like that is where he wants to go.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

The Bills don;t want to risk him coming back. If he decides he wants to go to Jacksonville, they will trade him there. And it sounds like that is where he wants to go.

Who do you think will blink first. The Bills and I both know the answer.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

The Bills don;t want to risk him coming back. If he decides he wants to go to Jacksonville, they will trade him there. And it sounds like that is where he wants to go.

Who do you think will blink first. The Bills and I both know the answer.

The Bills ARE NOT going to just stick it to Henry and not make a trade that is great for their team. This is business. If the Bills have a similar offer from the Jags and Henry has agreed to a contract extension with the Jags and not the Titans, the Bills are not going to slam the door on the Jags and MAKE Henry work out a contract extension with the Titans. What if the contract from the Jags is better tan the Titans? Then what? You think the Bills are going to make Henry take the lesser offer? Henry does have power here.

 

[Chessmaster]

The Bills don;t want to risk him coming back. If he decides he wants to go to Jacksonville, they will trade him there. And it sounds like that is where he wants to go.

Who do you think will blink first. The Bills and I both know the answer.

The Bills ARE NOT going to just stick it to Henry and not make a trade that is great for their team. This is business. If the Bills have a similar offer from the Jags and Henry has agreed to a contract extension with the Jags and not the Titans, the Bills are not going to slam the door on the Jags and MAKE Henry work out a contract extension with the Titans. What if the contract from the Jags is better tan the Titans? Then what? You think the Bills are going to make Henry take the lesser offer? Henry does have power here.

Logic is great. Delusional Fred Taylor owners need to use logic.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

The Bills ARE NOT going to just stick it to Henry and not make a trade that is great for their team. This is business. If the Bills have a similar offer from the Jags and Henry has agreed to a contract extension with the Jags and not the Titans, the Bills are not going to slam the door on the Jags. Henry does have power here.

Please. There is no way the Bills get a better offer than a 3rd from the Titans. They know the Jags could give them trouble for the wildcard spot and would much rather trade him to the Titans.No sense in going over this any more. I've made my points and we will agree to disagree.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

The Bills ARE NOT going to just stick it to Henry and not make a trade that is great for their team. This is business. If the Bills have a similar offer from the Jags and Henry has agreed to a contract extension with the Jags and not the Titans, the Bills are not going to slam the door on the Jags.

Henry does have power here.

Please. There is no way the Bills get a better offer than a 3rd from the Titans. They know the Jags could give them trouble for the wildcard spot and would much rather trade him to the Titans.No sense in going over this any more. I've made my points and we will agree to disagree.

If Henry doesn't agree to a contract with the Titans, then the Titans won't trade for him. Do you understand this?Its not just what is the better offer, cause that offer means nothing if Henry and the team can't work out a contract extension.

 

[Chessmaster]

The Bills ARE NOT going to just stick it to Henry and not make a trade that is great for their team. This is business. If the Bills have a similar offer from the Jags and Henry has agreed to a contract extension with the Jags and not the Titans, the Bills are not going to slam the door on the Jags.

Henry does have power here.

Please. There is no way the Bills get a better offer than a 3rd from the Titans. They know the Jags could give them trouble for the wildcard spot and would much rather trade him to the Titans.No sense in going over this any more. I've made my points and we will agree to disagree.

The Titans' offer is contingent on working out an extension.So, say the Jags offer a third, and since Henry has already worked out an extension, that trade is good to go.

Would the Bills really wait for the Titans to work out an extension with Henry, knowing all the while that at any moment the Jags may pull their offer off the table and they will lose all their leverage?? No. You are being an idiot, Funk.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

I guess we will just have to wait and see. The two of you should host your own show since you know so much more than Mort from ESPN. LOL! I could continue to shoot down your posts all day, but I have better things to do. Later!

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I guess we will just have to wait and see. The two of you should host your own show since you know so much more than Mort from ESPN. LOL! I could continue to shoot down your posts all day, but I have better things to do. Later!

Continue? To continue shooting down our posts, don't you have to at least start?

 

[Renegades of Funk]

Continue? To continue shooting down our posts, don't you have to at least start?

You need to go back through this thread and read everything again. Do that ten times before you post again.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Why didn't either one of these teams sign Anthony Thomas...he would have been cheaper and wouldn't have cost a third round pick. I don't get it!!

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Continue? To continue shooting down our posts, don't you have to at least start?

You need to go back through this thread and read everything again. Do that ten times before you post again.

I thought you had something more important to do? LOL

 

[amnesiac]

Why didn't either one of these teams sign Anthony Thomas...he would have been cheaper and wouldn't have cost a third round pick. I don't get it!!

Good question.As far as the Jags, I would have to guess they were still hoping Taylor would heal up faster than he has.

As for the Titans, I don't remember if Brown was injured yet when Thomas signed in Dallas.

I think it just has to do with teams getting more nervous the closer it gets to training camp, but who knows what they are really thinking.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Isn't there a factor in here about which team needs Henry more? Let's look at it:TEN - C Brown - Very good player when he plays, hurt alot, young; rookie backups; team building for the futureJAX - F Taylor - Great player, hurt alot, may be very hurt now, older; rookie (pearman) is more of a 3rd down back; team wants to win nowI see it as JAX really needing Henry more. So Tommy D may be hoping that all the TEN talk, which he is probably encouraging, makes JAX offer a conditional 2nd. And really, is a conditional 2nd (say 1000 yds rushing in 2005) really that bad of a deal? Especially if you can tailor his contract extension to fit any cap issues?

 

[jurb26]

Isn't there a factor in here about which team needs Henry more? Let's look at it:

TEN - C Brown - Very good player when he plays, hurt alot, young; rookie backups; team building for the future

JAX - F Taylor - Great player, hurt alot, may be very hurt now, older; rookie (pearman) is more of a 3rd down back; team wants to win now

I see it as JAX really needing Henry more. So Tommy D may be hoping that all the TEN talk, which he is probably encouraging, makes JAX offer a conditional 2nd.

And really, is a conditional 2nd (say 1000 yds rushing in 2005) really that bad of a deal? Especially if you can tailor his contract extension to fit any cap issues?

No, it's not. Sign the freaking paper work and get this over with already!

 

[H.K.]

Isn't there a factor in here about which team needs Henry more? Let's look at it:

TEN - C Brown - Very good player when he plays, hurt alot, young; rookie backups; team building for the future

JAX - F Taylor - Great player, hurt alot, may be very hurt now, older; rookie (pearman) is more of a 3rd down back; team wants to win now

I see it as JAX really needing Henry more. So Tommy D may be hoping that all the TEN talk, which he is probably encouraging, makes JAX offer a conditional 2nd.

And really, is a conditional 2nd (say 1000 yds rushing in 2005) really that bad of a deal? Especially if you can tailor his contract extension to fit any cap issues?

Here are FBG depth charts:

Titans

RB Chris Brown (inj), Damien Nash (inj), Jarrett Payton, Walter Reyes, Ray Jackson, Joe Smith, Terry Jackson, Charles Anthony, Corey Larkins

FB Troy Fleming (3RB), Robert Douglas

If Brown gets hurt, they have a very unproven cast to back him up.

Jaguars

RB Fred Taylor, LaBrandon Toefield (KR/3RB), Chris Fuamatu- Ma'afala (FB), Alvin Pearman (3RB), David Allen (KR), Rich Alexis, Derrick Wimbush

FB Greg Jones (SD)

If Taylor is hurt, Toefield/Jones/Fu can take turns as the primary RB based on situation or until one emerges. But Toefield looks to be the 3RB anyway, Jones will still handle short-yardage/GL and they added a versatile Pearman for depth.

Looks to me like there is much less disruption to the Jags w/o Taylor than there would be to the Titans w/o Brown, so I think Tenn needs an RB much more than Jax at this point.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Isn't there a factor in here about which team needs Henry more? Let's look at it:

TEN - C Brown - Very good player when he plays, hurt alot, young; rookie backups; team building for the future

JAX - F Taylor - Great player, hurt alot, may be very hurt now, older; rookie (pearman) is more of a 3rd down back; team wants to win now

I see it as JAX really needing Henry more. So Tommy D may be hoping that all the TEN talk, which he is probably encouraging, makes JAX offer a conditional 2nd.

And really, is a conditional 2nd (say 1000 yds rushing in 2005) really that bad of a deal? Especially if you can tailor his contract extension to fit any cap issues?

Here are FBG depth charts:

Titans

RB Chris Brown (inj), Damien Nash (inj), Jarrett Payton, Walter Reyes, Ray Jackson, Joe Smith, Terry Jackson, Charles Anthony, Corey Larkins

FB Troy Fleming (3RB), Robert Douglas

If Brown gets hurt, they have a very unproven cast to back him up.

Jaguars

RB Fred Taylor, LaBrandon Toefield (KR/3RB), Chris Fuamatu- Ma'afala (FB), Alvin Pearman (3RB), David Allen (KR), Rich Alexis, Derrick Wimbush

FB Greg Jones (SD)

If Taylor is hurt, Toefield/Jones/Fu can take turns as the primary RB based on situation or until one emerges. But Toefield looks to be the 3RB anyway, Jones will still handle short-yardage/GL and they added a versatile Pearman for depth.

Looks to me like there is much less disruption to the Jags w/o Taylor than there would be to the Titans w/o Brown, so I think Tenn needs an RB much more than Jax at this point.

True, but given that Brown could get hurt and Taylor really is hurt now swings it to JAX, IMHO.

 

[Chessmaster]

The main factor that makes the Jags NEED Henry more than the titans is that the Titans are rebuilding, and Jax can win now. The Titans won't with with or without Henry, and he isn't young, so getting him is pointless for them IMO.

 

[jurb26]

The main factor that makes the Jags NEED Henry more than the titans is that the Titans are rebuilding, and Jax can win now. The Titans won't with with or without Henry, and he isn't young, so getting him is pointless for them IMO.

Yes, that and that Jack's RB IS hurt now.... Tenn's COULD get hurt this year. Big difference there IMO.

 

[Bloom]

The main factor that makes the Jags NEED Henry more than the titans is that the Titans are rebuilding, and Jax can win now. The Titans won't with with or without Henry, and he isn't young, so getting him is pointless for them IMO.

ive felt this way all along and i have no idea why floyd reese would be doing this except in a brilliant ploy to force their divisionmate to overpay for henry.

 

[wannabee]

ynasty:If Jax acquires Henry, this significantly reduces, if not kills, Pearmans vale.If Tenn acquires Henry, it squashes the value of the guys like Payton, Nash (with his new, incentive-laden contract), etcTo me, we are looking at this superficially. Long term, whomever trades for Henry is pretty much giving up on their young RBs.Anyone disagree?

 

[amnesiac]

Why didn't either one of these teams sign Anthony Thomas...he would have been cheaper and wouldn't have cost a third round pick. I don't get it!! 

Good question.As far as the Jags, I would have to guess they were still hoping Taylor would heal up faster than he has.

As for the Titans, I don't remember if Brown was injured yet when Thomas signed in Dallas.

I think it just has to do with teams getting more nervous the closer it gets to training camp, but who knows what they are really thinking.

Decided to look this one up:Thomas was signed around May 2nd; Brown didn't break his hand till around May 19th. Maybe it was that injury that finally spurred the Titans into action.

As for Jacksonville, I have no idea what their timetable was for Fred's recovery, and at what point they really started worrying.

Or maybe neither club likes Thomas?

 

[jurb26]

ynasty:

If Jax acquires Henry, this significantly reduces, if not kills, Pearmans vale.

If Tenn acquires Henry, it squashes the value of the guys like Payton, Nash (with his new, incentive-laden contract), etc

To me, we are looking at this superficially. Long term, whomever trades for Henry is pretty much giving up on their young RBs.

Anyone disagree?

Well, I don't know if I would call it giving up on the young guys. Seems to me more like aquiring a sure thing/proven commodity for a fair price.

 

[wannabee]

My point is that Henry is only 26 yrs old with low miles on the tires.

ynasty:

If Jax acquires Henry, this significantly reduces, if not kills, Pearmans vale.

If Tenn acquires Henry, it squashes the value of the guys like Payton, Nash (with his new, incentive-laden contract), etc

To me, we are looking at this superficially.  Long term, whomever trades for Henry is pretty much giving up on their young RBs.

Anyone disagree?

Well, I don't know if I would call it giving up on the young guys. Seems to me more like aquiring a sure thing/proven commodity for a fair price.

 

[Bloom]

ynasty:If Jax acquires Henry, this significantly reduces, if not kills, Pearmans vale.

not necessarily - pearman still projects as a kevin faulk type at worst, and more likely a mewelde moore. in PPR leagues, pearman is still a decent prospect no matter what happens with the RB sitch.

If Tenn acquires Henry, it squashes the value of the guys like Payton, Nash (with his new, incentive-laden contract), etc

again, payton is coming along and nash is still a talented back that has a size/speed profile thats a decent match for an NFL feature back. just because they dont get their shot in tennessee, doesnt mean that they dont have value down the line. it definitely squashes their immediate value.

To me, we are looking at this superficially.  Long term, whomever trades for Henry is pretty much giving up on their young RBs.

seeing as nash and pearman are yet to even suit up in a training camp, its hard to see the trading for/signing of henry as "giving up" on them. it just means they arent comfortable with them having a big role right now. again, it affects their immediate short-term value, but their long term value is based much more on their talent than the situation they are placed in right away.

 

[wannabee]

Thanks for the response. For the Jax situation, in the short term (2-3 years) I see Taylor & Toe filling that role .Maybe giving up was a poor use of words, but do you not agree that it hurts the young guys chances of whichever team Henry ends up? We can argue all day to what extent, but Tenn would still have Brown, and Jax would still have Taylor, and the cast of misfits.I do not doubt that the young guys for each team may have talent, but the opportunity side is where I see the issue residing.

 

[Bloom]

Thanks for the response. For the Jax situation, in the short term (2-3 years) I see Taylor & Toe filling that role .

Maybe giving up was a poor use of words, but do you not agree that it hurts the young guys chances of whichever team Henry ends up? We can argue all day to what extent, but Tenn would still have Brown, and Jax would still have Taylor, and the cast of misfits.

I do not doubt that the young guys for each team may have talent, but the opportunity side is where I see the issue residing.

absolutely, the immediate opportunity vanishes, although i think pearman can give toe a run for the 3rd down job this year. once you get on the field and show what you can do anything can happen. i really like marion barber for this reason - they said they plan on using him for 25 plays a game or so.

 

[H.K.]

True, but given that Brown could get hurt and Taylor really is hurt now swings it to JAX, IMHO.

Hmmmm....sounds like an issue we need to discuss over ....did you pick up JoPa yet?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

True, but given that Brown could get hurt and Taylor really is hurt now swings it to JAX, IMHO.

Hmmmm....sounds like an issue we need to discuss over ....did you pick up JoPa yet?

Next weekend. Hoping to have you and Bev over mid-August.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

Maybe you tools (Friday Frenzy, CheeseMaster) will listen in the future. I won't say I told you so.

 

[fatness]

Pasquarelli article, updated an hour ago.

The Tennessee Titans have reached agreement in principle on a trade to acquire disgruntled Buffalo Bills tailback Travis Henry and, barring unexpected complications, the deal will be announced early next week.In return for Henry, who last season lost his starting job to Willis McGahee and who has not participated in any of the Bills' offseason sessions, Buffalo will receive a 2006 third-round draft choice. The paperwork for the trade, which is not contingent upon the Titans reaching a contract extension agreement with Henry, has been forwarded to the league offices.The trade is contingent, as are most deals, on the 26-year-old Henry passing a Tennessee-administered physical exam."From what we've been told, Travis is headed to Tennessee," agent Hadley Engelhard said on Saturday morning. "I don't know if Floyd [Reese, Titans general manager] will try to do an extension or not. We'll have to wait and see about that."

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Maybe you tools (Friday Frenzy, CheeseMaster) will listen in the future. I won't say I told you so.

LOL I never said that the Titans wouldn't get Henry. I simply made a case how Henry could hold some power because each team would want to sign a contract extension.

The aspect of the Titans trading for Henry without a contract extension throws the whole argument out the window for both sides.

So unless you knew the Titans were going to sign him without a contract extension, then you can shut your trap and save the "I told you so" cause I never once said Henry wasn't going to the Titans.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

Read the entire thread 100 times before posting again Friday Fuzzy. Oh and I guess I did tell you so.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Read the entire thread 100 times before posting again Friday Fuzzy. Oh and I guess I did tell you so.

Can you quote me saying where Henry heading to Tenn was out of the question?

 

[Renegades of Funk]

I know you're getting ready to post something stupid Friday Fuzzy - don't do it. Suck it up and accept I was right as usual.Obviously you did not read this thread 100 times as suggested. If you had you would not be posting ridiculous comments.