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[phillymatrix]

I'm one of those who believe Randy will really bounce back this year;now that he's finally healed up and has a mobile qb like Brooks that can buy some time in the pocket when his protection breaks down I could see Moss reaching somewhere in the ball park of oh say 1,400 yds and 13 tds. I know shell wants to run it but I see this team playing more catch up than holding leads with Jordan. Oaklands defense will probably still have a hard time stopping the run and I see see very little pass rush coming from a ageing front four. In most most early mocks I have seen he's going early third round which seems like a steal , what I'm wondering is in a point per reception league would Randy be a wise choice for a 2nd rd pick ? I'd appreciate projections and opinions.

 

[jurb26]

1300/18

 

[LawFitz]

85/1450/16 - assuming good health and 16 games played

There will be many, many bombs to Moss this season.

Everyone loves to point out Brooks' greater mobility than KFC, but there is another thing about him vs. KFC that is a big advantage to Moss: deep ball arch.

KFC's passes, even the long ones, were always low trajectory bullets, which were much tougher to catch in jump ball situations.

Brooks OTOH, throws a much nicer deep pass, a la Culpepper. Assuming Randy can stay healthy all season he will make a push as the #1 WR in fantasy, but his injury risk makes him slide to the late 2nd or worse.

He will be taken somewhere between WR3-8 depending on whether there is a Moss-loving risk taker in your league. I will probably be that guy in my league if he's still around late in Rd 2 and definitely if he's there early Rd 3.

 

[Blackjacks]

As a new owner I really like what I'm hearing here. Although I think these #'s might be alittle high. I could see and be happy with

82 catches for 1250 rds and 12 td's

 

[aposulli]

1300/18

I'd say 13 GP (games missed include the games he plays at half strength when he is basically a decoy).

1100 11

 

[Sinrman]

1300/18

I'd say 13 GP (games missed include the games he plays at half strength when he is basically a decoy).

1100 11

This is a bit more realistic, methinks. The QB situation is as iffy this year, as it was last year under Collins. I thought Collins was perfect for that offense and would resurrect his career, but apparently I was wrong. Besides, all the Raiders-not-named-Lamont-Jordan quit by about Week 12 anyways.

 

[aposulli]

1300/18

I'd say 13 GP (games missed include the games he plays at half strength when he is basically a decoy).

1100 11

This is a bit more realistic, methinks. The QB situation is as iffy this year, as it was last year under Collins. I thought Collins was perfect for that offense and would resurrect his career, but apparently I was wrong. Besides, all the Raiders-not-named-Lamont-Jordan quit by about Week 12 anyways.

Hey hey, lets be fair....Jerry Porter tried that one week against the Titans.

 

[Kleck]

Its reflected in my rankings. I think the Raiders are going to seriously suck.

 

[Blackjacks]

Its reflected in my rankings. I think the Raiders are going to seriously suck.

You have Moss and Jordan in the top ten at their positions though right?

 

[Kleck]

Its reflected in my rankings. I think the Raiders are going to seriously suck.

You have Moss and Jordan in the top ten at their positions though right?

I have Jordan as RB10 and Moss as WR9.

 

[Pots]

Its reflected in my rankings. I think the Raiders are going to seriously suck.

You have Moss and Jordan in the top ten at their positions though right?

I have Jordan as RB10 and Moss as WR9.

Jordan at 10 will be a big mistake.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Its reflected in my rankings. I think the Raiders are going to seriously suck.

You have Moss and Jordan in the top ten at their positions though right?

I have Jordan as RB10 and Moss as WR9.

Jordan at 10 will be a big mistake.

why?

 

[Kleck]

Its reflected in my rankings. I think the Raiders are going to seriously suck.

You have Moss and Jordan in the top ten at their positions though right?

I have Jordan as RB10 and Moss as WR9.

Jordan at 10 will be a big mistake.

He's RB6 from the average staff rankings. Big mistake? I'll strongly disagree.The difference between RB6 and RB10 is never a "big" mistake. A solid argument can be made for every RB ranked from 4 through 12 as being worthy of being RB6. Now if I had him at RB47, we would have something to talk about.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Is this the same Moss who hasn't been healthy for two years running?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Lets see what I have.....

80 receptions

15.74 YPR

1256 receivng yards

10 TDs

185.6 FPs

In a NON-PPR league, that would be about WR8

 

[jurb26]

1300/18

I'd say 13 GP (games missed include the games he plays at half strength when he is basically a decoy).

1100 11

Moss has been hurt several times in his career yet only missed games in 1 season (3 in 2004). He played with an injury last season yet missed 0 games. I think your assertation that he only plays 13 is a huge reach and extremly shortsighted considering his past. He may in fact only be a decoy in a lot of those games if he is hurt, but Moss plays come hell or high water if humanly possible. My projections insinuate a healthy season. I thought thats how projections were supposed to be made.

 

[BlueOnion]

I would say he will approach last year's numbers:

About 65 catches, 1,200 yards and 10 touchdowns. I think those are the ceiling numbers and 85% of that is probably what one should expect.

My reasonings:

1) He is getting slower and slower and is merely an upgrade to a Marcus Robinson at this point.

2) He doesn't run great runs. Not a problem if he still had the speed, but he doesn't.

3) I don't think his heart is into putting up big numbers any more.

 

[Blackjacks]

Its reflected in my rankings. I think the Raiders are going to seriously suck.

You have Moss and Jordan in the top ten at their positions though right?

I have Jordan as RB10 and Moss as WR9.

I was just stating that most teams would be happy to have their rb and wr in the top ten.

 

[Blackjacks]

Its reflected in my rankings. I think the Raiders are going to seriously suck.

You have Moss and Jordan in the top ten at their positions though right?

I have Jordan as RB10 and Moss as WR9.

Jordan at 10 will be a big mistake.

He lost Norv, I'll get you in the top ten, Turner and now has a qb that will be looking more downfield than looking to dumpoff. I think ten is a generious spot for Lamont.

 

[nygiants56]

1300/18

I'd say 13 GP (games missed include the games he plays at half strength when he is basically a decoy).

1100 11

1300/18 with Aaron Brooks throwing to him is VERY optimistic...

 

[The Finist]

93 rec. 1404 yards 15 TDs

 

[Bankerguy]

85

1250

11

 

[TeamDingo]

1) He is getting slower and slower and is merely an upgrade to a Marcus Robinson at this point.

That is insane. Randy is still a freak. The main thing slowing him down is natural grass. If he was still on artificial turf he would still be torching the league. He is a thourogh bread and his groin injury took a huge bite out of him last year. But Moss at 50% is > M Robinson. Moss 2006 @ 100% is best WR in football, even on grass 75% of his games ( was 100% last year) and with Brooks as QB.80 1450 16

 

[aposulli]

1300/18

I'd say 13 GP (games missed include the games he plays at half strength when he is basically a decoy).

1100 11

Moss has been hurt several times in his career yet only missed games in 1 season (3 in 2004). He played with an injury last season yet missed 0 games. I think your assertation that he only plays 13 is a huge reach and extremly shortsighted considering his past. He may in fact only be a decoy in a lot of those games if he is hurt, but Moss plays come hell or high water if humanly possible. My projections insinuate a healthy season. I thought thats how projections were supposed to be made.

What the heck? Did you read it?What I meant by my comment of Games Played being 13 was to realize that Moss HAS been injured the past 2 seasons... and he hasn't played NEARLY all the games he has listed as "games played" at full strength.

2004: Injured in Week 6 (only 2 catches).... "played" in weeks 7 and 8 with a bum leg and recorded 0 catches in those games.... missed weeks 9, 10, 11 after Tice realized he was being an idiot and needed to rest Moss.

2005: "played" in week 6 where he was injured on his first catch attempt... caught more than 3 passes only 3 of the final 11 weeks, while clearly being hobbled for the next 6 weeks following the injury.

He could soon become the next Steve McNair is all I'm saying... plays hurt, numbers go down.

When making projections, I do factor in injury. It would be foolish not to.

Are you saying you went into last season predicting full health for a guy like Priest Holmes or DeShaun Foster?

Randy Moss isn't quite at that level yet, but he could be soon.

All that said, I think he misses one or two games entirely, and could very well play hurt for a couple games, which would (and has) affected his game.

 

[BlueOnion]

1) He is getting slower and slower and is merely an upgrade to a Marcus Robinson at this point.

That is insane. Randy is still a freak. The main thing slowing him down is natural grass. If he was still on artificial turf he would still be torching the league. He is a thourogh bread and his groin injury took a huge bite out of him last year. But Moss at 50% is > M Robinson. Moss 2006 @ 100% is best WR in football, even on grass 75% of his games ( was 100% last year) and with Brooks as QB.80 1450 16

Lets be clear, I never said Randy Moss equals Marcus Robinson, I stated he was an upgrade from Marcus Robinson.The Randy I saw play with Minnesota his last year was clearly not as fast as the Randy in 1998. If you watch the tape, they hardly even look like the same guy and I am not even acknowledging last year in Oakland.

 

[TeamDingo]

1) He is getting slower and slower and is merely an upgrade to a Marcus Robinson at this point.

That is insane. Randy is still a freak. The main thing slowing him down is natural grass. If he was still on artificial turf he would still be torching the league. He is a thourogh bread and his groin injury took a huge bite out of him last year. But Moss at 50% is > M Robinson. Moss 2006 @ 100% is best WR in football, even on grass 75% of his games ( was 100% last year) and with Brooks as QB.80 1450 16

Lets be clear, I never said Randy Moss equals Marcus Robinson, I stated he was an upgrade from Marcus Robinson.The Randy I saw play with Minnesota his last year was clearly not as fast as the Randy in 1998. If you watch the tape, they hardly even look like the same guy and I am not even acknowledging last year in Oakland.

in the 4+ Games in 2004 before his injury Moss' #s wereRec Yards Avg TD

26 394 15.2 8

4 Games before his injury in 2005

R Y Avg TD

19 466 24.5 2

Last 2 years when healthy

G R Y Avg TD

9 45 860 19.1 10

Moss is still a freak when healthy. I do not believe he has slowed just that he has been injured much of the last two years and that his speed/athletic game is more adversely affected by injuries than most receivers.

I still do not understand what comparison you are making to Robinson. If you are saying at this point Moss is tall and can jump but is not a threat outside the redzone then I disagree.

 

[Blackjacks]

I have recently acquired Moss so excuse the homerism but I would be absolutely shocked if he wasn't in the top 5 this year if healthy. My projections earlier n this thread allowed him a tweak here or there. There is no way to predict an injury though.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Its reflected in my rankings. I think the Raiders are going to seriously suck.

You have Moss and Jordan in the top ten at their positions though right?

I have Jordan as RB10 and Moss as WR9.

Jordan at 10 will be a big mistake.

He's RB6 from the average staff rankings. Big mistake? I'll strongly disagree.The difference between RB6 and RB10 is never a "big" mistake. A solid argument can be made for every RB ranked from 4 through 12 as being worthy of being RB6. Now if I had him at RB47, we would have something to talk about.

Three words: Norv, Turner, gone.

 

[joffer]

75/1185/10

 

[AnonymousBob]

I don't think anybody is questioning his ability to finish in the top five if healthy. I think people are hesitant to believe he can finish the season without getting hurt, as he has failed to do just that the past two years.