Moss Unhappy and Would Accept a Trade. (1 Viewer)

[Ilov80s]

Per CBSSportsline:

"Numerous sources report that on his weekly Fox Sports Radio spot, Raiders WR Randy Moss wasn't shying away from his disinterest in the team and said he wouldn't mind being traded. "I don't want to be the downfall, or the negative or the cancer of the team," Moss said. "That's definitely not my goal to do. If they feel trading me and getting me out is the best thing to do, I've been traded once, two won't hurt." Moss also admitted that he's not concerned with the team being winless and that he's not the only one unhappy in Oakland."

Any chance this the Raiders part ways with Randy? Lord knows they could use multiple draft picks. What teams might be willing to mortage the future for Randy?

New England? Atlanta? Pitt?

I am sure he just stays miserable in Oakland, but its more fun to debate a trade.

 

[bryhamm]

Per CBSSportsline:"Numerous sources report that on his weekly Fox Sports Radio spot, Raiders WR Randy Moss wasn't shying away from his disinterest in the team and said he wouldn't mind being traded. "I don't want to be the downfall, or the negative or the cancer of the team," Moss said. "That's definitely not my goal to do. If they feel trading me and getting me out is the best thing to do, I've been traded once, two won't hurt." Moss also admitted that he's not concerned with the team being winless and that he's not the only one unhappy in Oakland."Any chance this the Raiders part ways with Randy? Lord knows they could use multiple draft picks. What teams might be willing to mortage the future for Randy?New England? Atlanta? Pitt?I am sure he just stays miserable in Oakland, but its more fun to debate a trade.

I think you can cross Pitt off your list. I don't think Cowher or the Rooneys would want him on their team ... but damn it makes me just thinking about Big Ben heaving it downfield and letting him make a play.

 

[Englishteacher]

Moss would make Vick a vastly more effective QB. I think we've seen what a fast, elusive Qb that can keep plays alive who has a huge arm can do with Randy Moss. And Vick does have a Top 5 arm in the NFL when it comes to arm strength. I've been to two Atlanta Falcon training camps for multiple days apiece and he has a rocket. Problem is he's not a system Qb. He's better at improvising and letting his natural talents, legs and arm take over. I could really see vick running around for 5-7 seconds and heaving it downfield to Moss working. There aren't any players in the game at doing what Vick and Moss do respectively in these capacities. And, it'd get that Mack Brown - Texas shotgun option offense to a new level. Of course Moss won't block much for Vick though.

I could see Atlanta giving up their first rounder or even a couple first roundrs for Moss but I'm not sure what that would mean towards their slaray cap. Of course Moss' siginging bonus would be subtracted from the value of his contract towards the cap which could really help.

I think it would take two #1's to get Moss and even two #1's and a #2 since Oakland might be inclined to play stubborn hardball in letting him go and Oakland would probably figure Atlanta wouldn't have high #1's.

 

[jurb26]

If NE some how ends up with Moss, they will win the SB. That just isn't even fair.

 

[BigRed]

If NE some how ends up with Moss, hell has frozen over. Talk about the anti-NE player.

Well it took 4 weeks for him to start whining (although he tried hard to pretend he wasn't).....I think that was about the over/under anyway

 

[fruity pebbles]

If NE some how ends up with Moss, hell has frozen over. Talk about the anti-NE player.Well it took 4 weeks for him to start whining (although he tried hard to pretend he wasn't).....I think that was about the over/under anyway

Think I'd whine on that team as well. Whole organization is a joke.

 

[Rushmore]

Moss in Atlanta = NASTY!

 

[jurb26]

If NE some how ends up with Moss, hell has frozen over. Talk about the anti-NE player.Well it took 4 weeks for him to start whining (although he tried hard to pretend he wasn't).....I think that was about the over/under anyway

Isn't that what people said about Dillon going there too?

 

[fruity pebbles]

How much does Moss make a year?

 

[PatsWillWin]

From the article on ESPN when Moss was traded to Oakland:

The Raiders will take on Moss' $7.25 million base salary for next season, while the Vikings will save nearly $2 million against their cap. Four seasons remain on Moss' eight-year $75 million contract.

EDIT: Found a nice breakdown.Mort breaks down Moss' deal:

Signing bonus: $10 million ($7 million upon signing, $3 million due March 2002)2001 salary: $500,0002002 salary: $500,000Option bonus, March 2003: $8 million2003 salary: $5 million2004 salary: $5.75 million2005 salary: $7.25 million2006 salary: $8.25 million2007 salary: $8.75 million2008 salary: $11.25 millionPro Bowl bonus: $250,000 for last five years (2004-2008)If Pro Bowls are achieved:Escalator of $1.5 million for '07Escalator of $2 million for '08

 

[fruity pebbles]

From the article on ESPN when Moss was traded to Oakland:

The Raiders will take on Moss' $7.25 million base salary for next season, while the Vikings will save nearly $2 million against their cap. Four seasons remain on Moss' eight-year $75 million contract.

EDIT: Found a nice breakdown.Mort breaks down Moss' deal:

Signing bonus: $10 million ($7 million upon signing, $3 million due March 2002)2001 salary: $500,0002002 salary: $500,000Option bonus, March 2003: $8 million2003 salary: $5 million2004 salary: $5.75 million2005 salary: $7.25 million2006 salary: $8.25 million2007 salary: $8.75 million2008 salary: $11.25 millionPro Bowl bonus: $250,000 for last five years (2004-2008)If Pro Bowls are achieved:Escalator of $1.5 million for '07Escalator of $2 million for '08

Thanks. Yikes, that's a lot of cash. I would think the Raiders would love to get that salary off the books.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Thanks. Yikes, that's a lot of cash. I would think the Raiders would love to get that salary off the books.

I think it's safe to say that Oakland is not bringing Moss back with those numbers next season.I think it's also safe to say that Moss would not restructure to stay in Oakland.I therefore think it's safe to say that Moss will be playing somewhere else next season.So I would imagine that Oakland would be open to trading him this season for a pick(s).

 

[fruity pebbles]

Thanks. Yikes, that's a lot of cash. I would think the Raiders would love to get that salary off the books.

I think it's safe to say that Oakland is not bringing Moss back with those numbers next season.I think it's also safe to say that Moss would not restructure to stay in Oakland.I therefore think it's safe to say that Moss will be playing somewhere else next season.So I would imagine that Oakland would be open to trading him this season for a pick(s).

That's my feeling as well. Trade deadline is in 2 weeks though.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Thanks. Yikes, that's a lot of cash. I would think the Raiders would love to get that salary off the books.

I think it's safe to say that Oakland is not bringing Moss back with those numbers next season.I think it's also safe to say that Moss would not restructure to stay in Oakland.I therefore think it's safe to say that Moss will be playing somewhere else next season.So I would imagine that Oakland would be open to trading him this season for a pick(s).

That's my feeling as well. Trade deadline is in 2 weeks though.

Well I didn't mention the x variable.x = Oakland's propensity to #### up.

 

[jurb26]

Thanks. Yikes, that's a lot of cash. I would think the Raiders would love to get that salary off the books.

I think it's safe to say that Oakland is not bringing Moss back with those numbers next season.I think it's also safe to say that Moss would not restructure to stay in Oakland.I therefore think it's safe to say that Moss will be playing somewhere else next season.So I would imagine that Oakland would be open to trading him this season for a pick(s).

That's my feeling as well. Trade deadline is in 2 weeks though.

I know this will sound overboard, buuuuuuuuuuut any chance that Wash opens up is wallet to make room for Moss?

 

[Irish]

From the article on ESPN when Moss was traded to Oakland:

The Raiders will take on Moss' $7.25 million base salary for next season, while the Vikings will save nearly $2 million against their cap. Four seasons remain on Moss' eight-year $75 million contract.

EDIT: Found a nice breakdown.Mort breaks down Moss' deal:

Signing bonus: $10 million ($7 million upon signing, $3 million due March 2002)

2001 salary: $500,000

2002 salary: $500,000

Option bonus, March 2003: $8 million

2003 salary: $5 million

2004 salary: $5.75 million

2005 salary: $7.25 million

2006 salary: $8.25 million

2007 salary: $8.75 million

2008 salary: $11.25 million

Pro Bowl bonus: $250,000 for last five years (2004-2008)

If Pro Bowls are achieved:

Escalator of $1.5 million for '07

Escalator of $2 million for '08

Whomever is paying his salary next yr does not have to worry about these escalators.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Thanks. Yikes, that's a lot of cash. I would think the Raiders would love to get that salary off the books.

I think it's safe to say that Oakland is not bringing Moss back with those numbers next season.I think it's also safe to say that Moss would not restructure to stay in Oakland.I therefore think it's safe to say that Moss will be playing somewhere else next season.So I would imagine that Oakland would be open to trading him this season for a pick(s).

That's my feeling as well. Trade deadline is in 2 weeks though.

I know this will sound overboard, buuuuuuuuuuut any chance that Wash opens up is wallet to make room for Moss?

Doubt it. They already have a bunch of money invested in their WR core.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Thanks. Yikes, that's a lot of cash. I would think the Raiders would love to get that salary off the books.

I think it's safe to say that Oakland is not bringing Moss back with those numbers next season.I think it's also safe to say that Moss would not restructure to stay in Oakland.I therefore think it's safe to say that Moss will be playing somewhere else next season.So I would imagine that Oakland would be open to trading him this season for a pick(s).

That's my feeling as well. Trade deadline is in 2 weeks though.

I know this will sound overboard, buuuuuuuuuuut any chance that Wash opens up is wallet to make room for Moss?

Yikes, I really don't think that's possible with the coin they dropped on WR's already. I don't even think they'd have the cap space.

 

[Marvelous]

Per PFT, a trade will not happen due to huge salary cap hit. Note that PFT is very good at following the salary cap implications of trades and cuts. Also note that once or twice, Moss converted his salary to a bonus to provide cap relief. If he is traded, that all comes due.Here's the article from PFT yesterday.

POSTED 8:55 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 9:03 p.m. EDT, October 3, 2006WE TOLD YOU SO -- MOSS WANTS OUT OF OAKLANDWe've seen it coming for a while, even as Raiders fans called us crazy. But it's now obvious that receiver Randy Moss is no longer committed to excellence, and just wants to leave, baby.In a radio interview with Chris Myers of FOX, Moss conceded that he'd welcome a trade out of Oakland."I'm not concerned about football right now," Moss said. "I'm loving life."A lengthy excerpt from the interview was aired Tuesday on NFLN's Total Access. Moss comes off as apathetic, and he perked up in our estimation only when Myers suggested based on Randy's responses that a ticket out of town might be the only tonic.And although Moss didn't demand a trade, he came pretty close to doing it.As a practical matter, however, a trade is impossible. The cap hit would be disastrous, even with the new CBA tweak that allows the acceleration to be spread over two years for a post-June 1 deal.The bigger issue, as we see it, will come in the offseason, when an extension will be the only way to get his cap number under control. Though Al Davis might be tempted to pull a Marcus Allen with Randy, keeping him around against his wishes but parking him on the sidelines, it's a luxury that no team can afford in the cap era. Still, Randy needs to be careful. If he makes his wishes too well known, Davis will try his best to find a way to force him to stay.With that said, Davis can keep him through 2008 only. That's the season in which his big-money 2001 extension will expire.Traded to Oakland in March 2005, Moss said in his introductory press conference, "I'm in love right now. . . . Who wouldn't want to be in the Silver and Black? I'm committed to excellence and I just want to win, baby.The first hint of trouble came in the offseason, as Randy mused about his desire to be traded to Baltimore or Atlanta when he was being shipped out of Minnesota. Then, just before the start of the season, Moss talked vaguely about problems in Oakland.Both times, we pointed to the words as evidence of an eventual divorce. Both times, we were shouted down by Black Holers who insisted that Randy loves Art Shell.If Moss loves Art, we'd hate to hear what he'd be saying if he didn't.

 

[Bezzerck]

Atlanta should give up QB Matt Shaub, whose contract I believe expires after this year. One of their trio of WR's (Lelie, White, Jenkins) and a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.

To me this would be a fair trade giving Atlanta what they need in a legit #1 WR threat. And it would give Oakland a solid QB, a decent WR, and a nice draft pick to continue to rebuild their team.

 

[Routilla]

Atlanta should give up QB Matt Shaub, whose contract I believe expires after this year. One of their trio of WR's (Lelie, White, Jenkins) and a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.To me this would be a fair trade giving Atlanta what they need in a legit #1 WR threat. And it would give Oakland a solid QB, a decent WR, and a nice draft pick to continue to rebuild their team.

Done. Signed, sealed...now if they will just deliver.

 

[Sinrman]

I don't see why Atlanta would do it now, when they didn't do it last year when he was traded to Oakland.

But if it did somehow happen, I think he'd be huge there. He would stretch that field very, very well, and defenses would be faced with double teaming Moss and possibly Crumpler, which leaves fewer to deal with Vick and Dunn. If they don't double team, they will get burned badly.

Atlanta should really make a move...

 

[LawFitz]

Atlanta should give up QB Matt Shaub, whose contract I believe expires after this year. One of their trio of WR's (Lelie, White, Jenkins) and a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.To me this would be a fair trade giving Atlanta what they need in a legit #1 WR threat. And it would give Oakland a solid QB, a decent WR, and a nice draft pick to continue to rebuild their team.

This would be a great trade for the Raiders, but I doubt Atlanta does it. They know Al is desperate and that Moss might be had for free at the end of the season. Maybe take the 1st round pick out of it and then you have a more realistic deal.But then again, take it out and no way the old man does the deal even though Schaub seems like a stud in the making.Also, the Raiders would have to forge a deal with Schaub before making the trade and that's not likely to happen. Why would Schaub agree to an entension to play for Oakland? They are a complete mess.But, I definitely agree that Vick to Moss would be lethal.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Atlanta should give up QB Matt Shaub, whose contract I believe expires after this year. One of their trio of WR's (Lelie, White, Jenkins) and a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.To me this would be a fair trade giving Atlanta what they need in a legit #1 WR threat. And it would give Oakland a solid QB, a decent WR, and a nice draft pick to continue to rebuild their team.

This would be a great trade for the Raiders, but I doubt Atlanta does it. They know Al is desperate and that Moss might be had for free at the end of the season. Maybe take the 1st round pick out of it and then you have a more realistic deal.But then again, take it out and no way the old man does the deal even though Schaub seems like a stud in the making.Also, the Raiders would have to forge a deal with Schaub before making the trade and that's not likely to happen. Why would Schaub agree to an entension to play for Oakland? They are a complete mess.But, I definitely agree that Vick to Moss would be lethal.

Consider: Would Atlanta do that deal?They've been fielding offers for Shaub for a couple years now, I'm sure, and I bet some of them included picks that were more valuable than Moss. I just think that they are competing right now, and Vick's injury history makes Shaub extremely valuable - they can get by with the WR's they have (they do have some talent there), but if they got Moss, and Vick went down (as he has the tendency to do) their season is OVER. Moss, on the other hand, is visibly on the downside of his career, and has a huge fat contract.Just my

 

[Necro Butcher Superstar]

Hey RANDY!!

How 'bout requesting a trade in a year that I DON'T have you!!??

 

[TheLastDispatch]

In recent times, Culpepper=trash. Moss=meh.

Culpepper&Moss= Dynamic.

I say moss goes to miami

 

[Raskell5]

Bring him back to Minnesota where he belongs.

 

[TommyKramer]

Bring him back to Minnesota where he belongs.

I'd second that in a heartbeat.? ----- What does Al Davis accept for Moss (not posturing, but in the end what would he take)? To me, that's a very interesting question.

 

[fatness king]

If Al Davis is making Porter rot on the bench looking for 1st rounders, no way Al trades Moss. Unless they throw in the some gold lamee jumpsuits.

 

[GregR_2]

In recent times, Culpepper=trash. Moss=meh. Culpepper&Moss= Dynamic.I say moss goes to miami

Don't know if they have the cap room, but from all the questionable character guys Saban has acquired or tried to get in his tenure with the team, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him go after Moss and not worry about his attitude.

 

[jurb26]

In recent times, Culpepper=trash. Moss=meh. Culpepper&Moss= Dynamic.I say moss goes to miami

Don't know if they have the cap room, but from all the questionable character guys Saban has acquired or tried to get in his tenure with the team, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him go after Moss and not worry about his attitude.

Mia would be foolish to go after Moss IMO. This team needs help up front. No need to sell the farm on another WR.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

I don't see why Atlanta would do it now, when they didn't do it last year when he was traded to Oakland.But if it did somehow happen, I think he'd be huge there. He would stretch that field very, very well, and defenses would be faced with double teaming Moss and possibly Crumpler, which leaves fewer to deal with Vick and Dunn. If they don't double team, they will get burned badly.Atlanta should really make a move...

Moss would probably get less catches in Atlanta than he does in Oakland. Vick is one of the worst passing QBs in the league.

 

[toxicbees]

I'm concerned by how Moss just seemed to give up on a few plays last week. One time he could have made the catch, but just slowed up a little without any contact and let the ball sail out of reach. On another play the ball was very nearly intercepted, Moss didn't even try to break up the interception he just sort of slowed down and watched. I think his attitude hurts his trade value.

 

[wannabee]

Randy is too much of a choir boy to go to Cincy or a trade involving Housh might make sense

 

[CrossEyed]

Randy is too much of a choir boy to go to Cincy or a trade involving Housh might make sense

Yeah, Randy could be a role model for Chris Henry.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm concerned by how Moss just seemed to give up on a few plays last week. One time he could have made the catch, but just slowed up a little without any contact and let the ball sail out of reach. On another play the ball was very nearly intercepted, Moss didn't even try to break up the interception he just sort of slowed down and watched. I think his attitude hurts his trade value.

If you worked for a dysfunctional company that had no identity or direction and moral was so low that no one wanted to be there and did`nt believe in the company and the owner was stuck in a time warp mentally and made HORRIBLE decisions on a regular basis...would YOU want to work there?????

 

[Buffett323]

The Falcons will NOT trade for Moss. They've already passed at a chance to get him. Arthur Blank and Jim Mora do not want attitude issues. They could have had TO too, and passed. I agree that it could be fun to watch as Vick does have a gun (bent barrell, but a gun none the less), but it ain't gonna happen.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

If Al Davis is making Porter rot on the bench looking for 1st rounders, no way Al trades Moss. Unless they throw in the some gold lamee jumpsuits.

Don't forget the granny cheaters.

 

[Wingnut]

I wish he would jump across the bay to San Fran. Moss and Bryant would make a nice WR duo for Alex.

 

[Da Guru]

Moss would make Vick a vastly more effective QB. I think we've seen what a fast, elusive Qb that can keep plays alive who has a huge arm can do with Randy Moss. And Vick does have a Top 5 arm in the NFL when it comes to arm strength. I've been to two Atlanta Falcon training camps for multiple days apiece and he has a rocket. Problem is he's not a system Qb. He's better at improvising and letting his natural talents, legs and arm take over. I could really see vick running around for 5-7 seconds and heaving it downfield to Moss working. There aren't any players in the game at doing what Vick and Moss do respectively in these capacities. And, it'd get that Mack Brown - Texas shotgun option offense to a new level. Of course Moss won't block much for Vick though. I could see Atlanta giving up their first rounder or even a couple first roundrs for Moss but I'm not sure what that would mean towards their slaray cap. Of course Moss' siginging bonus would be subtracted from the value of his contract towards the cap which could really help.I think it would take two #1's to get Moss and even two #1's and a #2 since Oakland might be inclined to play stubborn hardball in letting him go and Oakland would probably figure Atlanta wouldn't have high #1's.

I think that Moss would help Vick as well, Moss is one of the few WRs in the league that could contort to some of the misguided throws Vick makes more times than not.

 

[Britney Spears]

Of course Moss won't block much for Vick though.

FALSE.Randy Moss is a willing and decent blocker.

 

[Englishteacher]

Moss would make Vick a vastly more effective QB. I think we've seen what a fast, elusive Qb that can keep plays alive who has a huge arm can do with Randy Moss. And Vick does have a Top 5 arm in the NFL when it comes to arm strength. I've been to two Atlanta Falcon training camps for multiple days apiece and he has a rocket. Problem is he's not a system Qb. He's better at improvising and letting his natural talents, legs and arm take over. I could really see vick running around for 5-7 seconds and heaving it downfield to Moss working. There aren't any players in the game at doing what Vick and Moss do respectively in these capacities. And, it'd get that Mack Brown - Texas shotgun option offense to a new level. Of course Moss won't block much for Vick though. I could see Atlanta giving up their first rounder or even a couple first roundrs for Moss but I'm not sure what that would mean towards their slaray cap. Of course Moss' siginging bonus would be subtracted from the value of his contract towards the cap which could really help.I think it would take two #1's to get Moss and even two #1's and a #2 since Oakland might be inclined to play stubborn hardball in letting him go and Oakland would probably figure Atlanta wouldn't have high #1's.

I think that Moss would help Vick as well, Moss is one of the few WRs in the league that could contort to some of the misguided throws Vick makes more times than not.

When he wants to moss can catch damn near anything.

 

[Englishteacher]

The Falcons will NOT trade for Moss. They've already passed at a chance to get him. Arthur Blank and Jim Mora do not want attitude issues. They could have had TO too, and passed. I agree that it could be fun to watch as Vick does have a gun (bent barrell, but a gun none the less), but it ain't gonna happen.

at the bent barrel comment.

 

[Englishteacher]

All of this is nice talk but I do agree that PFT is generally right on when it comes to contracts. If they say Moss is untradeable right now due to his contract they're probably right.

But how about this? Could the Raiders allow Moss to do a Branch and seek a trade and then have him void his contract if the team that ends up getting him takes care of Moss with the money he is supposed to get? Or are you not allowed to void a contract? If the contract is void do the Raiders still have his rights?

 

[MrPhoenix]

All of this is nice talk but I do agree that PFT is generally right on when it comes to contracts. If they say Moss is untradeable right now due to his contract they're probably right. But how about this? Could the Raiders allow Moss to do a Branch and seek a trade and then have him void his contract if the team that ends up getting him takes care of Moss with the money he is supposed to get? Or are you not allowed to void a contract? If the contract is void do the Raiders still have his rights?

Only option may be just pitching a big enough hissy fit to get cut in the offseason.

 

[Raider Nation]

I think it would be kinda funny if Moss was traded to the Titans.

 

[Spartans Rule]

All of this is nice talk but I do agree that PFT is generally right on when it comes to contracts. If they say Moss is untradeable right now due to his contract they're probably right. But how about this? Could the Raiders allow Moss to do a Branch and seek a trade and then have him void his contract if the team that ends up getting him takes care of Moss with the money he is supposed to get? Or are you not allowed to void a contract? If the contract is void do the Raiders still have his rights?

I don't think this can happen because the money that screws up the trade possibility is signing bonus money that's already been paid. Even if they could somehow void the rest of his contract, the bonus still hits.